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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: KillMeNow on April 05, 2002, 10:23:33 am
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just wondering what everyone has and what kinda score they are getting
at the mo i'm running athlon 1ghz 512mb ramm geforce 2 mx
and the last tiem i benchmarked it i got about 3700or something if i tweaked it i think i got abit more out of it
(now for the show off bit and now the real reason for this post)
today i just went in to twon as asked the place were i get my computer stuff to begin building my monster
dual Athlon 1800+
1024mb DDR ram
wait for it wait for it
GeForce 4 ti 4600
hehehe in 5 - 8 it should be ready for collection cause they need to order some bits in special - i was surprised i was going to buy the bits online but they were just as cheap infact slightly cheaper for somethings
cant wait to benchmark it
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score on what benchmark?
my machine spits out about 22 weighted mean in SPEC_Viewperf
specs' in the sig.
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3DMark, I think.
I'm gonna upgrade sometime soon. I'll wait a bit longer, though.
I'm not getting dual, though, but 1 Gb RAM sounds about right.:)
Current specs
T-Bird 800 @ 880 MHz
512 Mb 133MHz SDRAM
1 40Gb IBM 7200
1 80Gb WD 7200
1 22.5 Gb ? 5400 (replaced by the WD)
GF3 Ti 200
SB Audigy
Netgear 10/100
Abit KT7 133
16x DVD-ROM
16x10x40 CD-RW
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:ha: , that's nothing compared to my
Athlon 600MHz
396 RAM
GeForce 2 GTS 64Mb
:D
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What? MadNvidiot Geforce mark?!
pff. my machine spits about about 450 in that which goes to show what an utter pile of ****e it is.
KMN - dont get a Geforce TI (unless you're really into games and not into graphics). I've built a large number of workstations for most of my Uni class and I have to say, the amount of graphical glitches you get with Geforces and Quadros is totally daft. If you got the money to spare and dont game a huge amount, go the extra £500 for a decent pro card. Window redraw errors and missing polygons just dont happen on Oxygen, Wildcat or FireGLs :)
good stuff (CHEAP too) here:
http://www.proe.co.uk/online/shop/graphics.php
wildcat 6110 for £1245?! If my overdraft wasnt already nuked it would have been by now!
;) ;) ;)
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sadly i just banrupted myself getting this machine and the geforce i have hasn't been to bad so geforce 4 was the best i could afford and its still a mean card admitbly better for games than graphics but i should do the job - i'm going to go back to 2d work maybe add some 38d stuff to it and do some design work this summer to pay for my machine if i earn enough i'll sell the geforce and buy something abit nastier hehehe like you i would love a wildcat but they are hordously priced
what other cards you recomend?
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well.
My two Oxygen cards ive been extremely pleased with.
They're mostly rock solid (apart from an annoying video hardware overlay problem on glint R3 boards), very nice crisp image the whole time, easily on a par with Matrox cards IMO. Their downside is they cost quite a bit plus they're slow compared to high-performance chips...the design is almost three years old now.
Wildcats kick arse as 3D cards. I built a WC5000 machine and it was honestly the fastest thing i've ever seen. The machine was incredibly responsive and it handled the old 5x200 segment sphere test like nobody's buisiness. the WC5110 is basically to WC5000 on one board, the the 6xxx series have (slow) D3D plus are about 50% as fast again, even though ive never used one. Wildcats arent so hot on 2D work however, while the image is almost up there with Oxygen Boards and Matrox boards its not quite as crisp and feels a little ropey. Wildcat tech came from Intergraph corp.
ATI FireGL cards are meant to be very good even though they have no Geometry Processors (T&L) and therefore are better if you work low-poly openGL mode but like doing textured previews etc.
Nvidia cards.....are good for gamers but are quite blatantly high-performance toys pushed into the pro market, which is why i dun like them. They get the job done fine most of the time (and pretty quickly too) but as far as precision work goes you just cant trust them.
Dont touch E&S cards as they cost a bomb and run at the speed of molasses.
Sun workstations come with a new crop of nice(ish) MAJC based workstation cards...but they only run under Solaris, not windows.
SGI proprietry chipsets are amazing but only run under IRIX. The Cobalt one in the 330 and 550 visual workstations are pretty crap compared to 3Dlabs cards.
ATI Radeons...useless for pro work cause the drivers are unstable.
Matrox are excellent 2D cards and always have been. If they actually work out what 3D is they might be onto a winner.
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what you think of the elsa gloria 3?
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the University i'm at uses these in some of their *cough* "better" *cough* workstations.
When you maximise and then minimise a viewport....your model disappears until you move the camera around!!
The texture stretching is obscene and the number of hardware lights it handles are abysmal.
NO. It's a terrible card in my exprience.
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well older wildcat it is then since its more afordable adn you proclaimed it a very fast machine =) but that has to wait until i finished paying off the rest of my puter
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just remember to keep your old machine as a gaming rig -
the wildcat 5k series doesnt do direc3D at all.
try ebay....3DLabs wont let you upgrade it, but you can pick them up or even the older 4xxx series for as low as 200 quid.
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Intel Petium 4
1.80GHZ
256RAM
Geforce 3 Ti 200
Subwoofer and two speakers.
19 inch moniter
:D
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Lets see...
8231! w00t! :D (3Dmark 2001) I have heard that it is somewhat partial to the Geforce cards though.
My current computer specs: (it's a bit old now but works pretty well)
1400MHz Athlon TB processor slightly overclocked to 1450MHz
ASUS A7M266E motherboard (AMD-761)
512MB DDR RAM (two 256 modules)
Geforce3 standard (non-Ti) overclocked to 250/575MHz
two 75GB IBM hard drives (7200rpm, ATA/100) running in a RAID configuration
Samsung 52X CD drive
Plextor 16/10/40X CD-RW drive
Creative SBLive XGamer soundcard (includes all the games :D)
some 3Com ethernet card
21" NEC monitor (1920x1440x32, .25dpi)
400W power unit
Koss SB40 headphones (much better than any speakers IMHO)
some 12 or so fans and AS2 thermal coating on the major components
I personally am much more into games than 3D graphics, so the Ti4600 would be a better choice for me, but I am sort of waiting on the next generation of GFs to come out since my current one seems to work pretty well. (that may change in June when UT2003 comes out though ;))
add some 38d stuff to it
Wow! :eek: Could you send me one of those models when you finish them? :D
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Nothing special here... P3-500, 384mb of ram, a Kyro2. I don't know whether it'd be worth taking a benchmark of this piece of junk. ;)
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Originally posted by Ryx
1 Gb RAM sounds about right.:)
Just make sure you choose the right OS:
http://support.microsoft.com/search/preview.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q253912 (http://support.microsoft.com/search/preview.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q253912)
http://support.microsoft.com/search/preview.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q304943 (http://support.microsoft.com/search/preview.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q304943)
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q184447 (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q184447)
Originally posted by wEvil
SGI proprietry chipsets are amazing but only run under IRIX. The Cobalt one in the 330 and 550 visual workstations are pretty crap compared to 3Dlabs cards.
You probably know more about this than I do but I thought SGI supported Windows NT (and probably 2k and XP as well) and Linux as well...
My current machine is as ****e as ****e can get:
- AOpen AX6BC mobo (440BX)
- Pentium II 400 CPU (@496)
- 128Mb PC-133 (@124) SDR SDRAM]
- Hyena series midtower ATX case
- 20Gb Seagate Barracuda HDD
- 120Mb Floppy Drive
- 50X CD-ROM
- Diamond Viper V550 (Riva TNT) 16Mb video card running nVidia Detonator 4 reference drivers version 27.20
- Sound Blaster Live! Value sound card
- Acer ALN-201 RTL-8029-based 10Mbps NIC
- No brand speakers
- Acer 104-key AT keyboard with PS/2 Adaptor
- Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer
- Logitech Wingman Extreme Digital 3D Joystick
- Logitech Wingman Gamepad Extreme
- Logitech Wingman Formula Wheel (non force feedback model)
- Windows XP Professional with all the Luna eye candy on
Hopefull sometime in the next year I hope to replace a lot of that stuff with a shiny new dual Athlon MP configuration but thats still a fair way off atm.
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Will not embarrass myself with my
To****a Laptop
Celeron processor @ about 450mhz I think
5 GB hard disk
who knows how much ram
3.5 inch floppy
something like a 16x CD drive
no 3d cards
dunno what else
And the sick thing is that it's better than my desktop (except that it has a 3d card so I can play FS)
:snipe:
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My desktop's three years old now... need to get... a new... 'puter... :snipe:
Pentium 3 450 MHz
352 Mb RAM
Dell GeForce 2 GTS 32 Mb
CD Writer (up to 8x)
DVD-ROM
2 Speakers and Subwoofer
19-inch monitor
........
it's not too bad though it can run this 1600x1200 resolution desktop :)
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Originally posted by Admiral LSD
JMy current machine is as ****e as ****e can get:
Go see my school's computers :D
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AMD Athlon 1500 XP (1.33GHz)
Jetway board (crap)
256MB RAM (not sure on type)
GeForce 2 MX 100/200 (yep, I know........)
SB128 on-chip
Up to date Drivers & direct X
3dMark at 1024x800 is about 1200-1500
at 600x480 is about 3700
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My configuration
ASUS P5A ( I think)
AMD K-6 3 450 Mhz
128 MB RAM
Ge-Force 256 32 MB DDR RAM
Sound Blaster Live 1024 player
Allied telesyn 10MB network card
TEAC 540E 40x CD-ROM
Memorex 24X,10X,40X ( my pride :D )
Creative web-cam GO
Lexmark Z11 printer
17 inch screen
My self-made speakers
A microphone
3.5 inch floppy drive
8 GB Seagate HDD ( I only used up 3 GBs)
2 years old, bought brand new
And probably won't be able to upgrade it for a very very long time :( :( :( :(
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-Intel Pentium 4 Processor at 2.4 GHz with 512KB Avanced Transfer Cache.
-512MB RDRAM
-NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4600 128MB DDR
Thats what I need.:)
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Originally posted by JR2000Z
-Intel Pentium 4 Processor at 2.4 GHz with 512KB Avanced Transfer Cache.
-512MB RDRAM
-NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4600 128MB DDR
Thats what I need.:)
I don't want to be the one paying that bill. :snipe:
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Originally posted by Ryx
I don't want to be the one paying that bill. :snipe:
Definitely not. That probly comes to more that like $6000!
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Originally posted by Corsair
Definitely not. That probly comes to more that like $6000!
:wtf:
Pentium - usually about $500
Geforce - $300, $400
RAM - Really, Really cheap now.
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nooooooo way - i got twice the ram same card and two athlon 1800+'s and its costing £2000
tyan tiger motherboard
dual athlon 1800+
1024mb ECC registered ddr ram
geforce 4 ti 4600
powersupply
case
16x dvd
sound blaster live 5.1
i think thats most of it and liek i said £2000
if that p4 costs that much they are even more of a ripoff than i thought
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Originally posted by Corsair
Definitely not. That probly comes to more that like $6000!
:wtf: :wtf:
When was the last time you bought a computer?
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I mean...
(http://www.voodoopc.com/slices/splash.asp_r2_c6.jpg)
This monster's only $4000! :D
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Originally posted by Kamikaze
:wtf:
Pentium - usually about $500
Geforce - $300, $400
RAM - Really, Really cheap now.
:o
I will shut up accordingly.
Originally posted by Zeronet
:wtf: :wtf:
When was the last time you bought a computer?
Last year, but that was for a laptop and I got a deal on that. Desktop? Right before Windows 98 came out! :D
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What's funny is that Maya (rendering software) costs more than my computer's original cost... :D
(and probably Lightwave and 3d Max... Maya is $1999)
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maya 4 unlimited cost alot alot alot more than any pc you need a silcon graphics workstation to start getting up to that level price - what is it £16,000 or there abouts
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I am almost ready to buy a new pc....
what i have in mind is
Asus A7M266-D Dual Athlon mainboard
Two Athlon XP 2100 +cpu's ( each 1.73ghz )
1024MB DDRam at 333mzh
Big Tower ATX case ( water cooled sysem )
Adaptec 2100S SCSI Raid host adapter ( retail )
Two 60GB Maxtor HDD SCSI ( Ultrawide )
One 100GB Maxtor HDD Also SCSI ( ultra wide )
One Wildcat 5110 graphics card
Three Lian LI RH removeable HDD Rack SCSI black
Delta 60mm x 38mm Fan 3-pin. Hgh ouput ( cooling fan )
Thermaltake bleu Orb Chipset cooler
Viewsonic P225F 22" color Monitor
Creative soundblaster audgy platium EX ( retail )
i have more but i am to lazy to write it all down:)
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what version of maya are you looking at cause if its 4 unlimited then its abargin and buy it this instant
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holy crap that a machine and a half the athlon 2000+ MP isn't even released yet or it wasn't when i checked fastest was the 1900+ MP perhaps i should have gotten it but i was feeling broke just thinking about it
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Originally posted by darkage
I am almost ready to buy a new pc....
what i have in mind is
Asus A7M266-D Dual Athlon mainboard
Two Athlon XP 2100 +cpu's ( each 1.73ghz )
1024MB DDRam at 333mzh
Big Tower ATX case ( water cooled sysem )
Adaptec 2100S SCSI Raid host adapter ( retail )
Two 60GB Maxtor HDD SCSI ( Ultrawide )
One 100GB Maxtor HDD Also SCSI ( ultra wide )
One Wildcat 5110 graphics card
Three Lian LI RH removeable HDD Rack SCSI black
Delta 60mm x 38mm Fan 3-pin. Hgh ouput ( cooling fan )
Thermaltake bleu Orb Chipset cooler
Viewsonic P225F 22" color Monitor
Creative soundblaster audgy platium EX ( retail )
i have more but i am to lazy to write it all down:)
:jaw: I want that! :D (Where do all of you get that kind of money? That Wildcat should cost 1000 +!)
what version of maya are you looking at cause if its 4 unlimited then its abargin and buy it this instant
I'm talking about the one below unlimited - the normal version or whatever. It was $1999... :nod:
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even maya 4 complete costs a fortune
hm jsut noticed too that you said athlon xp you need to use athlon mp's (multi processors) unless that motherboard is somethign very fancy indeed you need to use muti processors chips which aren't upto 2100+ yet
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Originally posted by Kamikaze
:jaw: I want that! :D (Where do all of you get that kind of money? That Wildcat should cost 1000 +!)
I'm talking about the one below unlimited - the normal version or whatever. It was $1999... :nod:
I work:D and i saved abit of money for my monster of a pc it wil be my rendering pc:D
and my current pc will be more of a gamers platorm
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Originally posted by KillMeNow
even maya 4 complete costs a fortune
hm jsut noticed too that you said athlon xp you need to use athlon mp's (multi processors) unless that motherboard is somethign very fancy indeed you need to use muti processors chips which aren't upto 2100+ yet
Whoops, my mistake..your rigth about that:nod:
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ohhhhh a note for those with more money than god the athlon quad motherboard is released this summer but the board is over a £1000 just by itself - 4 processors at about £250 so another thousand throw in a wildcat 3 so another 1500 or so ohhhh yesssssssssssss i could build a very nice computer if i had unlimited money
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Originally posted by KillMeNow
ohhhhh a note for those with more money than god the athlon quad motherboard is released this summer but the board is over a £1000 just by itself - 4 processors at about £250 so another thousand throw in a wildcat 3 so another 1500 or so ohhhh yesssssssssssss i could build a very nice computer if i had unlimited money
Yeah get 18 Crays to calculate stuff, a Professional Render farm, and 54 PCs on a LAN just to play games ;7
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Originally posted by KillMeNow
ohhhhh a note for those with more money than god the athlon quad motherboard is released this summer but the board is over a £1000 just by itself - 4 processors at about £250 so another thousand throw in a wildcat 3 so another 1500 or so ohhhh yesssssssssssss i could build a very nice computer if i had unlimited money
Hmm...a must have for me.
i have enough to buy 9 Amd XP 2200+ cpu's so :)
yes i know i saved allot of money
Sory if tehere aner any typos kinda drunk:D
*rols cigaret*
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dammmmmmmmmmmmn man lol you are crazy lol but i admit it too if i had the money i would do the same
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Lol, i got to do something whit the pile of money i have so why not by a monster of a computer:) and i always like to have the newest hardware:) but it took me 4 years to collect that money, and i stil don't have enough:)
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if its for rendering stay witha the dual but get extra ram and the wildcat 3 rembers you need ECC regisitered ddr ram
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Bill Gates should just give all of us enough money for each of us to have a supercool computer. I mean, he'd still have like $1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 left.
:D
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Originally posted by KillMeNow
if its for rendering stay witha the dual but get extra ram and the wildcat 3 rembers you need ECC regisitered ddr ram
never heard of the ECC registerd ram before. wha does it stand for?
isn't 1024mb DDR @333mzh ram enough?
the wildcat 3 wil certerteinly come into my new little rendering pc:)
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i couldn't tell you to be honest - but avenger told me that witha multi processor system thats teh ram you need - i take him at his word since he knwos alot about computers
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I no stranger to Hardware or other computer stuff.. (I am soing education for it:) i already know more then my teacher:D) i thought the limit was about 1024mb of DDR atm...
now to wonder what kinda OS i should run it whit.
got any idea?
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XP?
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UNIIIIIIXXXXX!!!!! :D
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Originally posted by Zeronet
XP?
It's a windows OS
and AMD calls it's CPU's like that...like the AMD Athlon XP
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Originally posted by darkage
It's a windows OS
and AMD calls it's CPU's like that...like the AMD Athlon XP
Windows rules!
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Supercomputers are funny things.
For raw performance...i'd go for a 256 node compaq Alphaserver running 256 Alpha EV68 CPUs (thats 256x21264@800Mhz)
its a 64bit RISC processor that really kicks the pants off everything.
DDR basically uses a method of double-signalling per-clock to get the extra bandwidth over SDR. This means that you get a kind of inductance occuring in the circuitry traces. ECC memory introduces a 9th bit on the end of each 8 bit line that acts as a parity bit. If it gets the wrong checksum the line is declared invalid and flushed...or something like that.
Registered just means the Memory stick has an IC that handles adressing instead of the northbridge/CPU. You used to need it on servers to break the 1gb memory limit..or something like that.
Athlon MP board needs these two features cause they run 4 DIMM slots. Asus 4-DIMM slot DDR boards also need ECC reg'd memory, otherwise you get bad reads and writes due to the back-EMF problem.
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We could use a machine like darkages for NW the Movie.
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My computer puts you all to shame! :ha: :ha: ;7
PII 266MHz
(http://www.anyfun.net/pics/pics/comp28.jpg)
8.5 GB IBM HDD
32 or 5?x CD-ROM
16x 10x 32x CD-RW
17 (15-16 viewable)" Monitor
Some other crap in there. :snipe:
Windows 98 FE(First Edition)
And the best for last!
A.........
4MB Something or other Graphics card! :doh: :mad:
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Darkage,
Consider getting an Adaptec 29160(n) SCSi160 card, I run one and its the bees knees.
Also for your SCSI drives, two 36gb MAxtor Atlas 10kIIIs would do you proud for OS and programs, and a western Digital caviar 2100Jb 120gb IDE drive for storage.
the 10k III go for about £150 each, the 29160 is about £270.
both of them are SCSI160 :D
Watercooling...uhm. Just make sure its insured. Failing that, get a vapochill ;)
Also consider a tyan Thunder if you want SCSI..since it comes with a DUAL CHANNEL SCSI160 controller inbuilt+AGP pro, 2 3com 100base net cards and some other server-type bells&whistles.
No DDR333 and not much OCing tho!
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I'm thinking for buying a computer sometime near the end of this year but have not really decided on any particular specs yet; I plan to use it both for gaming and math stuff and have a budget of around $4000. Some new technologies will hopefully be out by that time. ;)
Supercomputers are funny things.
For raw performance...i'd go for a 256 node compaq Alphaserver running 256 Alpha EV68 CPUs (thats 256x21264@800Mhz)
its a 64bit RISC processor that really kicks the pants off everything.
They had some of those supercomputers over at my dad's work; I tried running Mathematica 4.1 on them some time ago and it was amazingly fast; it could do every calculation almost instantaneously. ;) Too bad they probably cost millions of dollars... :p
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New tech.
the only really new stuff will be AMDs Hammers, unless *ntel has an ace up its sleeve...which i dont think they have.
An 8-way sledge system...now THAT would be nice :)
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i'll try to folow your advise as good as i can, depends on the preformance of the system.....see it as my own personel renderfarm...or simple server, as i am not realy into gaming atm.
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hehe i jsut suggested a silcon graphic workstation hehe - but iw illb e so jealous if he gets it =(
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naaa..
SGI NT workstations use intel processors and cant compete wit AMD MP platforms ;)
well...arguable the northwood xeons are faster but would you pay over four times the price for 10% higher performance?
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ok here we go MIPS 64 bit r14000A cpu
running at 500mhz
2mb L2 cache
sgi vpro v10 graphics with 32 or 128 mb ram
512 mb in the macine
thats its specs
thats the bottom one of the sgi fuel range they do get better ones but its $11,000 odd so not cheap but its for high end 38d animations
nothign pc at all in there
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Originally posted by Kamikaze
RAM - Really, Really cheap now.
I beg to differ... ram currently costs about double the amount it did two months ago... :blah:
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Originally posted by Setekh
I beg to differ... ram currently costs about double the amount it did two months ago... :blah:
Well, last time I updated my list of uber-hardware-that-I-want-and-will-never-get (which I seriously have) RAM was really cheap so ha :p:ha:
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Maybe prices have increased recently or something; when I got my computer slightly less than a year ago, 256MB DIMMs were priced at $50 or so on average, although you could find them for $40 if you looked around a bit.
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Originally posted by darkage
Asus A7M266-D Dual Athlon mainboard
You have to be careful here since there is a bug in the AMD 760MPX chipset that prevents the USB ports in the South Bridge from working. Most manufacturers supply you with a USB2.0 card to correct this but that eats a PCI slot and most 760MPX boards only have about 3 of the 32 bit variety and I've heard backwards compatibility is a grey area with the 64 bit variety. AFAIK that Asus board is affected. Boards such as the EpoX M762A appear to be free from the bug and have working USB and still maintain 2 PCI slots. Of course if you have no need for USB then this is a non-issue :)
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As I said, I have an ASUS P5A motherboard and I want to add a bit more RAM memory to it. Right now I have 128 MB RAM and would like to add about 256 more. Would that be possible? What type of RAM should I use?
Can anyone please (Lt Ash's voice) answer to this question?
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AMD K6-2 300MHz
256 megs ram pc100
Voodoo 3 2000
soundblaster 128
2 gig HDD
Running win 95 and other than an ex harddisk I'm really happy with it :nod:
No, don't laugh!! It's stable, reasonably fast for what I need it to do and most importantly it's got all of my little speedups, tweaks and asthetic touches. If only my CDRW worked. I can't find CDRs that are compatible with it (it's a 2x speed burner, most new CDRs won't even get past the testing stage :rolleyes: ).
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Originally posted by Razor
As I said, I have an ASUS P5A motherboard and I want to add a bit more RAM memory to it. Right now I have 128 MB RAM and would like to add about 256 more. Would that be possible? What type of RAM should I use?
Can anyone please (Lt Ash's voice) answer to this question?
That board should take PC133 SDRAM DIMMs without any trouble.
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Originally posted by Admiral LSD
That board should take PC133 SDRAM DIMMs without any trouble.
Thanks!:)
Are you really sure that I can put in the 133 SDRAM into it or should I settle with the 100 SDRAM?
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Follow this link (http://www.asus.com.tw/mb/archives/mb_archives.htm), and scroll down to your MB.
I took this screenshot (http://w1.520.telia.com/~u52019065/P5A.jpg) of a doc. I found there.