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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kosh on October 17, 2009, 07:01:18 am

Title: Artificial black holes created
Post by: Kosh on October 17, 2009, 07:01:18 am
 Electromagnetic blackholes anyway (http://www.physorg.com/news174893601.html). They seem to be the perfect microwave absorbers, made from meta materials.
Title: Re: Artificial black holes created
Post by: Colonol Dekker on October 17, 2009, 07:05:40 am
Already been done

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUjfaPwZYr8
Title: Re: Artificial black holes created
Post by: Mika on October 17, 2009, 07:10:02 am
Actually no. There is very little blackhole-esque in this research, though I'm a little bit curious about why PhysOrg calls it such. By glancing through the Arxiv paper, it is like reading two entirely different takes of the subject.
Title: Re: Artificial black holes created
Post by: General Battuta on October 17, 2009, 09:47:33 am
Yeah, this is kind of a misnomer...
Title: Re: Artificial black holes created
Post by: castor on October 17, 2009, 10:16:02 am
Absorbs micro, emits infra-red? I'd expect more from a black hole  :doubt:
Title: Re: Artificial black holes created
Post by: Kosh on October 17, 2009, 10:18:06 am
Question to the physics guys: What are some possible applications for something like this?
Title: Re: Artificial black holes created
Post by: Titan on October 17, 2009, 11:11:36 am
We can finally act out my favorite weapon from Armed and Dangerous.
Title: Re: Artificial black holes created
Post by: Colonol Dekker on October 17, 2009, 11:58:05 am
Karajorma will appreciate that reference :D
Title: Re: Artificial black holes created
Post by: Titan on October 17, 2009, 12:12:16 pm
Never actually played it, but the videos on the official website are cherished childhood memories  :D
Title: Re: Artificial black holes created
Post by: Mongoose on October 17, 2009, 03:00:11 pm
Yeah, that headline is pretty fail.  Cool concept, though.
Title: Re: Artificial black holes created
Post by: StarSlayer on October 17, 2009, 03:04:41 pm
We can finally act out my favorite weapon from Armed and Dangerous.

No love for the Land Shark Gun?
Title: Re: Artificial black holes created
Post by: High Max on October 17, 2009, 05:18:42 pm
I guess kosh decided to stay as a regular poster after all.

Also, I have heard about the possibility of sub-atomic black holes existing and that the large hydron collider will try to see if they can create them, or at least that it is possible that they may be created as a result of smashing sub-atomic particles together, but will dissipate in a mere fraction of a second making it so it won't hurt anything, though this is probably not related to this discussion 100%.
Title: Re: Artificial black holes created
Post by: Nuke on October 17, 2009, 05:29:17 pm
pics or it didnt happen
Title: Re: Artificial black holes created
Post by: Mongoose on October 17, 2009, 08:25:53 pm
I guess kosh decided to stay as a regular poster after all.

Also, I have heard about the possibility of sub-atomic black holes existing and that the large hydron collider will try to see if they can create them, or at least that it is possible that they may be created as a result of smashing sub-atomic particles together, but will dissipate in a mere fraction of a second making it so it won't hurt anything, though this is probably not related to this discussion 100%.
It's actually far more related to black holes than the original article is. :D
Title: Re: Artificial black holes created
Post by: High Max on October 17, 2009, 08:42:00 pm
I didn't read the article but I will browse it now. :)

Edit: I read it. Sounds more like a substance that absorbs a frequency of light, microwaves in this case. Are they going to call anything black that is a circle or sphere a black hole too, which absorbs visible light but visible light can't escape? Sounds like they may have slightly changed the definition of black hole.

I think the real definition of a black hole, at least my definition, is an extremely massive, but not necessarily a large object, that has such strong gravity that light can't escape, and the light can't escape because the gravitational power exceeds the power of the light. If light doesn't escape because of something other than gravity, then it can't be called a black hole. It must be because of strong gravity.
Title: Re: Artificial black holes created
Post by: BloodEagle on October 17, 2009, 09:11:38 pm
pics or it didnt happen

Taking a picture of a black hole?

....

"Can I buy some pot from you?" -- Brian Griffin
Title: Re: Artificial black holes created
Post by: NGTM-1R on October 17, 2009, 11:40:33 pm
Taking a picture of a black hole?

....

"Can I buy some pot from you?" -- Brian Griffin

You could do it. You can take a picture of the wind, too; by what it does.
Title: Re: Artificial black holes created
Post by: Nuke on October 18, 2009, 10:56:24 pm
funneh or epic fail, you decide
Title: Re: Artificial black holes created
Post by: Herra Tohtori on October 18, 2009, 11:28:10 pm
I think they have mixed the definitions of black hole and black body.

It would be close to ideal black body (on microwave frequencies at any rate). Not a black hole as has been mentioned.

Or, it could just be (as is mentioned in the article) a construct where microwaves' behaviour closely resembles their behaviour close to an actual event horizon. It's a really bad headline though, and much like a black body, the fact that nothing is reflected doesn't mean nothing is not emitted. The microwaves don't just disappear into the object.
Title: Re: Artificial black holes created
Post by: redsniper on October 19, 2009, 01:59:03 am
doesn't mean nothing is not emitted.
:wtf:
Title: Re: Artificial black holes created
Post by: Herra Tohtori on October 19, 2009, 03:47:08 am
lol, triple negative

:nervous:


Nobody has blinded me, said Polyphemus the Cyclops...
Title: Re: Artificial black holes created
Post by: Topgun on October 19, 2009, 09:51:42 am
if they could make the substance absorb infrared and radar, they could make some really cool stealth tech.
Title: Re: Artificial black holes created
Post by: Herra Tohtori on October 19, 2009, 10:44:36 am
if they could make the substance absorb infrared and radar, they could make some really cool stealth tech.


RADAR works using microwaves. Although I don't know how wide band of frequencies is affected by this metamaterial, and also I don't know if there would be problems similar to submarines being detected because they're more silent than the water around them...
Title: Re: Artificial black holes created
Post by: Topgun on October 19, 2009, 11:23:53 am
I thought microwaves are shorter than radar waves?
as for the submarine problem, I dont think it would apply to aircraft.
Title: Re: Artificial black holes created
Post by: Herra Tohtori on October 19, 2009, 01:37:41 pm
Well, there are radars using both radio and microwaves. The line between the two is arbitrary anyway.