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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kamikaze on April 06, 2002, 12:55:56 pm
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I know that lots of you want to render/model but can't afford lightwave or 3d max. So here's a nice alternative.
clickety (http://www.aliaswavefront.com/en/WhatWeDo/maya/see/solutio)
This is the link to a major rendering tool - maya. There is a personal edition which is totally free :nod: This is used for many professional rendering jobs. (Chrono Cross, Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within)
(Only problem is - too much server traffic has caused a temporary pause of downloads. only temporary though)
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You did read the restrictions right? They water-mark all renders and you can only open and save .mp files.
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Ack... :(
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I hope that loads of people dl the free version, decide it's really good and then go find a nice warez version of Maya. That'd be so infinitely ironic.
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Oh well. I guess I'm stuck with my TrueSpace1. :(
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Pssssssssssstttttt... Get Blender
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Originally posted by Kamikaze
Pssssssssssstttttt... Get Blender
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Blender isn't a real rendering prog, it can render but it can't do things like you can do whiut Maya, lightwave or any other progs like that...Blender is more for modeling. I have Bryce4 Treuspace4.2 and 5 and Lightwave6.5 and 7.
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Hehe, a nice repertoire of software there :D
(Only things like that I have are: Photoshop 5.0 Limited :(, Adobe PhotoDeluxe BE, Truespace 1 (which keeps crashing my computer), and Blender... none of those are commercial products)
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Photoshop 6 and 3DExplorer seem to work very nicely together...that's what I use. :nod:
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I got TrueSpace1 and Photoshop4.
I don't think I can do much with that combination.
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Originally posted by Corsair
Photoshop 6 and 3DExplorer seem to work very nicely together...that's what I use. :nod:
They don't seem to sell 3d Exploration anymore :(
Now they have this Deep Exploration thing (I'm guessing it's more expensive...)
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If they don't sell it anymore then...
Would giving away the registration codes be considered warez?
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Originally posted by Kamikaze
Hehe, a nice repertoire of software there :D
(Only things like that I have are: Photoshop 5.0 Limited :(, Adobe PhotoDeluxe BE, Truespace 1 (which keeps crashing my computer), and Blender... none of those are commercial products)
hehehe....i only use Lightwave 7 of them:)
i also got Adobe photoshop 6.0 and Adobe premiere to add sound to my animations...
and a plentora of other progs....:) i have nice colection as you can see:D
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If they don't sell it anymore then...
Would giving away the registration codes be considered warez?
Yeah it would, unfortunately. They still own the license and even if they don't get profit they'll sue you for it...
(it's the Nintendo syndrome - Nintendo don't sell SNES games, Nintendo be evil and ban ROMs, Nintendo is filled with strange people)
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Originally posted by darkage
hehehe....i only use Lightwave 7 of them:)
i also got Adobe photoshop 6.0 and Adobe premiere to add sound to my animations...
and a plentora of other progs....:) i have nice colection as you can see:D
*drool* Hehe :D
This reminds me that I should hurry up and get me a job somehow :D (despite that being highly unlikely... more likely impossible)
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So is this thing worth downloading? Im at 30%.
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Originally posted by Kamikaze
Yeah it would, unfortunately. They still own the license and even if they don't get profit they'll sue you for it...
(it's the Nintendo syndrome - Nintendo don't sell SNES games, Nintendo be evil and ban ROMs, Nintendo is filled with strange people)
Noooooooooooooo! Not the Nintendo syndrome!
(http://members.cox.net/kancho3/Smilies_Angry/hidesbehindsofa.gif)
*runs and hides*
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Thats pretty stupid of them.
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pirating/copyright laws and such always annoy me...
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They do seem a little weird, i wonder why they do it.
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Yeah. I guess they just like the Nintendo syndrome. Really dumb if you ask me.
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I hope that loads of people dl the free version, decide it's really good and then go find a nice warez version of Maya. That'd be so infinitely ironic.
:lol: :D
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But is the personal edtion worth the download?
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who knows
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A|W are doing so badly just wait another 6 months and you'll be able to pick up maya for $40.
well..maybe not but i wouldnt buy it even at that price. I hate the damn thing...its 'orrible and ropey and has a crap polygon modeller.
Get soft|XSI experience...thats much nicer. You do have to work at it in terms of getting to grips with the shaders and workflow though.
Free renderers...
Brazil 0.2.6 (beta, but very functional if a little slow)
BRMT (Renderman compliant renderer ,precursor to entropy. get it at www.exluna.com)
the one that comes with yer program (duh)
Vray beta (another GI renderer for MAX)
not sure about any others....OH. I ALMOST FORGOT.
the Steak Inspired Rendering Internal Technowhatsis.
or SPIRIT for short.
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SoftImage XSI is schweet. [suck-up]Still, I'd give a thousand copies of SoftImage for one of SPIRIT.[/suck-up]
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Hey Steak why not release it commercially - I'm sure that'd get you some nice green things... ;)
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****, if I had a credit-card and a PayPal account I'd gladly part with some cash for it.
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Originally posted by wEvil
...not sure about any others....OH. I ALMOST FORGOT.
the Steak Inspired Rendering Internal Technowhatsis.
or SPIRIT for short.
You forgot the 'P' :D
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SIRIT? :confused:
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I'd buy Maya in a heartbeat. They just lowered the price of Maya Complete to $2000 USD, which puts it on par with Lightwave 7. The only thing you lose is the clothing modeller and, I think, the realtime solid paint tools. A friend of mine just picked up Maya Unlimited, which has all of that.
The only thing I would say negative about Maya is the raytracing engine, which is crap compared to its modelling tools. However, Alias just got with the people who did MentelRAYs (the same people that did the renderer for Softimage). Now its got a top notch rendering engine as well.
Groovy stuff. If nothing else, this will net Maya more customers in the future, and do it legitimately. I started off with Lightwave as a warezed copy and ended up buying it. Same with Truespace. At least with Maya, my stuff will be all above board.
On the 'Nintendo' thing and ROMs: you know why Nintendo gets upset about ROMs and emulators? Because they DO get a cut of every SNES game sold. Licensing and royalty fees roll in from each purchase. Its the same as the situation with Sony vs Bleem! and the like. I'm not the most honest person in the world, but I am a bit of a programmer and I am a bit of a 3d artist. I'd hate for someone to rip off my work and me not get paid for it. That's why I got legit copies of my 3d software.
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Originally posted by mikhael
On the 'Nintendo' thing and ROMs: you know why Nintendo gets upset about ROMs and emulators? Because they DO get a cut of every SNES game sold. Licensing and royalty fees roll in from each purchase. Its the same as the situation with Sony vs Bleem! and the like. I'm not the most honest person in the world, but I am a bit of a programmer and I am a bit of a 3d artist. I'd hate for someone to rip off my work and me not get paid for it. That's why I got legit copies of my 3d software.
I see your point - I read about what game developers thought about pirating and they thought the same thing. However, Nintendo does not produce the SNES (or old gameboy games) and it is hard to find... say a copy of Harvest Moon in your local gaming store. So the money they get is very minimal because most major game stores (EB, Toys R Us etc.) have sold off old games and now most sellers are Ebay (or whatever, auctions of some sort) sellers who probably won't pay royalties...
This is exactly the thing with Abandonware - they don't sell them...
Also Nintendo should make a wise decision for once and produce old SNES/Gameboy games (the good ones) in small amounts - I'm sure people would buy them if they were sold in prominent places...
BTW: we probably should get off this topic...
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Originally posted by wEvil
not sure about any others....OH. I ALMOST FORGOT.
the Steak Inspired Rendering Internal Technowhatsis.
or SPIRIT for short.
Oh, sheddup. :p ;)
As for Maya's Personal Edition, unfortunately I haven't heard much good about it. :(
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Actually, from what I've seen, Maya is simply the most overpriced program in existence. Either every pro who uses it on Renderosity and the satellite sites is an autistic 6-year-old who can't texture, model, or use render filters, or you're buying something that works almost, buit not quite, as well as TrueSpace for only a few thousand more bucks. LightWave, now, that's WORTH the price. 3DS MAX would be worth as much or more, in my opinion. Carrara and RDS, put together, kick ass. All of these solutions cost a fraction of what Maya does, and have one teensy little feature Maya doesn't, that makes it all worth while. They. Work.
Naow, if you wanna good free modeler, go abandonware or don't[/color]. If you want a half-assed one, or the pigs are just waiting to bust ya, go TS1. If you're both rich and stupid, go buy a Lamborghini and use it off-road. But kids, stay off Maya. Do it for your computer, so it doesn't lose the hard disk space. Do it for your future as a 3D modeler, so you aren't blackmailed years from now with some abomination you squeaked out after weeks of work in Maya. But most of all, do it for me, so I won't have to go in and say "I told you so" 500 times when people come back bearing paltry POS renders and complaints. Oh, and do it for the Gipper, because I'm avoiding doing actual real work right now.
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Fix0red.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Actually, from what I've seen, Maya is simply the most overpriced program in existence. Either every pro who uses it on Renderosity and the satellite sites is an autistic 6-year-old who can't texture, model, or use render filters, or you're buying something that works almost, buit not quite, as well as TrueSpace for only a few thousand more bucks. LightWave, now, that's WORTH the price. 3DS MAX would be worth as much or more, in my opinion. Carrara and RDS, put together, kick ass. All of these solutions cost a fraction of what Maya does, and have one teensy little feature Maya doesn't, that makes it all worth while. They. Work.
Naow, if you wanna good free modeler, go abandonware or don't[/color]. If you want a half-assed one, or the pigs are just waiting to bust ya, go TS1. If you're both rich and stupid, go buy a Lamborghini and use it off-road. But kids, stay off Maya. Do it for your computer, so it doesn't lose the hard disk space. Do it for your future as a 3D modeler, so you aren't blackmailed years from now with some abomination you squeaked out after weeks of work in Maya. But most of all, do it for me, so I won't have to go in and say "I told you so" 500 times when people come back bearing paltry POS renders and complaints. Oh, and do it for the Gipper, because I'm avoiding doing actual real work right now.
A question: is there any reason why the pros (you know, Chrono Cross and Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within etc.) use this tool. Does it really suck but somehow excel in movie production or....
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(http://verybad1.homestead.com/files/Spaceships/essex11.jpg)
That's why, done by verybad of Battletech Mod Productions (http://www.battletechmodproductions.com)
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:eek:
I like everything on that except the front :nod:
(I like high-poly modeling...)
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Impressive. You know, that really looks like it is made of Legos; sort of like one of the large SW model sets. I was actually fooled there for a minute and had to look at it several times to see that it was a computer model and not a Lego creation; that's the sign of a well-designed model. ;)
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...that it looks small and plastic? :lol:
Not bad. But I've seen unbelievable things done in TrueSpace, too... a single sample by someone who's obviously a pro means nothing. I've seen mind-blowing MS Paint pics, too. Look at the majority of Maya artwork, adn you'll see what I mean.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
...that it looks small and plastic? :lol:
When one considers that movie models (the real sorts) are 'small and plastic' and still manage to look big and imposing on the screen, 'small and plastic' is a good thing.
Seriously, the vast majority of the users of most 3d software suck. That's not a failing of the tool: its a failing of the guy holding it.
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i agree with Mik, but having said that there are certain limitations with each package that cannot be overcome.
In terms of what is technically the "best", its either Side Effects' Houdini 5.0 or Softimage XSI 2.0
Both of them are more modular, faster and more stable than any of the competition plus the general features available out of the box kick arse.
Mayas' Mental ray connection pales in comparison to XSIs, which exposes about 99.9% of its features, more with a little SDKing ;)
Hair? XSI already has joe alter Shave And A HairCut and MAX will soon be getting it. Plus SAAHC doesnt look like a bunch of ropey antialiased lines (remember those stills of Dr.Sid from Final Fantasy the movie?)
SubDees? XSI's subdee implementation wipes the floor with everything and even MAXs meshsmooth/NURMS?HSDS is superior to Mayas "true" subdees, which just behave like a particularly crap NURBS implementation.
The only area maya is ahead IMO is particles and its MTOR PRman pipe.
But..when you got mental ray who needs renderman? (well...unless youre doing aload of motion blur and/or dont know C++)
I could go on and on but at the end of the day if you're that good...you'll find a way round it or just simply roll-your-own.
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Originally posted by Kamikaze
Hey Steak why not release it commercially - I'm sure that'd get you some nice green things... ;)
Don't bother - you have no idea how long I've been badgering him to get a copy of that thing running under Windows and shipping it to me... but he came up with excellent reasons why not - formost being that it's constantly changing and I'd have real trouble getting and up to date version...
Still, it's a commercial application in the making! :nod:
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Originally posted by mikhael
I'd buy Maya in a heartbeat. They just lowered the price of Maya Complete to $2000 USD, which puts it on par with Lightwave 7.
That means I ain't gonna be getting Lightwave of Maya any time now.
I wouldn't get that kind of money... for a wayyyyy long time.
The minimal salary here is... about 1200 USD per year
The average is about 4000 USD
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Mik: I was referring to the Lego commentary, not the ship.
Though it's true. My best creations were inspired by Legos.
Anyway. It's not a few incompetent users. It appears to be MOST users. And if you're buying a prog at $4000, you're most likely a pro. These. Pros. Can't. Do. ****.
Like I said- there are deviations of supreme quality in almost everything- somewhere, someone's gonna take the time to do something astounding, even if all they have it two rocks to bang together. Maya doesn't seem to get far beyond the two rocks- GOOD modelers make it easy, AND provide versatility. That's the point of a modeler. Were the point to be difficult, we'd all be using direct math equations to produce formula models (believe me, formula modeling sucks ass).
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Mik: I was referring to the Lego commentary, not the ship.
Though it's true. My best creations were inspired by Legos.
Anyway. It's not a few incompetent users. It appears to be MOST users. And if you're buying a prog at $4000, you're most likely a pro. These. Pros. Can't. Do. ****.
Well there are always those rich idiots who want to do something with their money. :nod: (not saying rich guys are stupic)
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Legos own all! I love those things, have so many over so many years...I still get some. Oh, and great models dude, they're really nice. :yes:
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Legos own all! I love those things, have so many over so many years...I still get some. Oh, and great models dude, they're really nice. :yes:
As some of you already know, I am also a Lego fanatic (especially Technic- have some 50 or so sets now, dating back to times before I was born :D). I'm still working on that model I posted a while ago; at the moment I am trying to get some of those small stiff yellow shock absorbers since the truck is too heavy to be supported by the light gray ones, but I don't want to buy another 8458 Silver Champion just for those and the only other place I could find them was a Bricklink shop, where they are quite overpriced IMHO. :p
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I can spend ages making ships. Literally all day when i was younger.
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I LOVED lego.
i would tell you more rousing stories about when i built the longest ship you've ever seen buts its 3:00am and im falling asleep at the computer.
G'nite.
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I go bed in 2 hours, and i live in the same country as you hehe. Damn jedi knight 2 for messing my internal clock up.
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You need sleep, get some of those sleeping pill things :p
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Hey I'm usually awake for a while too... :D (until 4AM EST on weekdays and 8AM EST on weekends :D)
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Originally posted by CP5670
Hey I'm usually awake for a while too... :D (until 4AM EST on weekdays and 8AM EST on weekends :D)
The most I stay awake is 7:00 AM... :p Once I played games 'til 5:00 AM and then saw that it was snowing outside - the only reason I stopped games was that the electricity killed itself :p
(Pssttt, you need like 10 hours of sleep)