Post by: TheVirtu on April 06, 2002, 09:37:44 pm
What if Shivans didn't exist?
1. The T-V War would have kept going on and on until someone gets annilhated by laser turrets and...and..some other "advanced" weapon they had back then.
2. Carl the Shivan would be named Carl the Terran
3. Well....we would still have the Galatea.
4. We wouldnt get the idea to develop beam cannons! (NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO)
5. Freespace 1 would have been a boring war where you know your race will win.
6. The number of campaigns in existance would be reduced by 75%
7. We wouldnt get the cool chance of watching Shivans incinerate Terran and Vasudans with big ships and weapons.
8. No Sobek?!?!? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Why Shivans Rule
1. Who doesn't like bio-android spiders with advanced knowledge and a big weapon embedded in their bodies?
2. Their weapons will scare the hell out of you (Having the Ravana fire its main beams at you while you have your volume at full blast.)
3. Their weapons rule. Period.
4. The Sathanas. Period.
5. The Mara rules all other fighters.
6. They make search and destroy look good.
-Edited for a spelling mistake-
And remember...no one can hear you scream in subspace.
Post by: Galemp on April 06, 2002, 09:52:27 pm
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Originally posted by TheVirtu
1. Who doesn't like bio-android spiders with advanced knowledge and a big weapon imbedded in their bodies?
I don't. :p
j/k
Post by: Mr. Vega on April 06, 2002, 11:01:57 pm
I love the plasma cannons on their shouldiers!
Post by: Kamikaze on April 06, 2002, 11:03:34 pm
BTW: Shivan blade things on the arms are awesome :D
Post by: mikhael on April 06, 2002, 11:28:26 pm
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Originally posted by Kamikaze
BTW: Shivan blade things on the arms are awesome :D
Shivan blad things on the arms... *hrmm....*
Methinks I just got another Shivan fighter idea. ;)
Post by: CP5670 on April 06, 2002, 11:38:01 pm
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3. Their weapons rule. Period.
Well, I think that only applies to their beam cannons (excluding the SRed); their fighter lasers are pretty crappy and their missiles are just weaker versions of mainstream GTVA missiles. :p:D
Post by: vadar_1 on April 06, 2002, 11:51:45 pm
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Originally posted by Mr. Vega
Forget the Sathanas. Think Lucifer. When I see the Lucifer I get this freaky feeling. I don't get it when there's a Sathanas.
I love the plasma cannons on their shouldiers!
Well it was a little more scary, because you had no hope..
Freespace 1 (Mission where you fly a dragon)
"oh my god, its the Lucifer!"
Freespace 2
"o look, another juggernaut, well our POS Colossus will blow it up"
Post by: Setekh on April 07, 2002, 04:35:51 am
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Originally posted by Kamikaze
Now, if the Lucifer had some more impressive weaponry... I would've been really scared :nod:
It's true... the SSL in FS1 was pants. :D
Post by: Reaper on April 07, 2002, 05:34:55 am
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Originally posted by vadar_1
Well it was a little more scary, because you had no hope..
Freespace 1 (Mission where you fly a dragon)
"oh my god, its the Lucifer!"
Freespace 2
"o look, another juggernaut, well our POS Colossus will blow it up"
:lol: :lol: BTW when i was compliting freespace 1 for the first time (48 h of non stop playing :p ) i had creeps all over my body... And i liked it...
Freespace 2 was more impressive, but it didn't gave me those creepes i liked in freespace 1, so i found freespace 1 story better :p :doh:
Post by: Stunaep on April 07, 2002, 03:27:43 pm
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Originally posted by TheVirtu
What if Shivans didn't exist?
1. The T-V War would have kept going on and on until someone gets annilhated by laser turrets and...and..some other "advanced" weapon they had back then.
5. Freespace 1 would have been a boring war where you know your race will win.
6. The number of campaigns in existance would be reduced by 75%
Do I see a point, where I could pimp AP????
Hell yea!!!
Post by: Stunaep on April 07, 2002, 03:29:06 pm
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Originally posted by vadar_1
Freespace 2
"o look, another juggernaut, well our POS Colossus will blow it up"
That was in the beginning. Late there was 40 juggernaughts, Capella explosion and Admiral Petrarch.
Scaarry.
Post by: Nico on April 07, 2002, 04:08:57 pm
Post by: Mr. Vega on April 07, 2002, 05:06:03 pm
Post by: Alikchi on April 07, 2002, 05:27:10 pm
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Originally posted by Stunaep
and Admiral Petrarch.
Scaarry.
Hmmh, he never seemed very scary to me? :headz:
Post by: DragonClaw on April 07, 2002, 10:24:34 pm
no seriously...
in FS2, I thought the part where the Sathanas jumped in for the first time in the nebula freaked me out... this huge arm coming out of the fog... me saying "holy ****".. and being knocked 10km with flaming exhaust and an explosion... very fun and scary =)
Post by: Razor on April 08, 2002, 10:39:59 am
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Originally posted by Kamikaze
Now, if the Lucifer had some more impressive weaponry... I would've been really scared :nod:
Oh you will be, you wil be scared to s*** (http://www.plauder-smilies.de/evilgrinblack.gif) when you (if you) play the campaign that I won't talk about right now! ;7
Post by: Razor on April 08, 2002, 10:50:43 am
I recommend you all to play Freespace games in totall darkness just the moniter screen light. :D
Post by: Redfang on April 08, 2002, 01:32:44 pm
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Originally posted by CP5670
Well, I think that only applies to their beam cannons (excluding the SRed); their fighter lasers are pretty crappy and their missiles are just weaker versions of mainstream GTVA missiles. :p:D
:nod:
Their anti-fighter beams aren't very good, either.
Post by: aldo_14 on April 09, 2002, 09:30:05 am
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/images/ndest2_5.jpg)
Post by: Stryke 9 on April 09, 2002, 04:16:45 pm
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Originally posted by CP5670
...their missiles are just weaker versions of mainstream GTVA missiles. :p:D
Correction. Their missiles ARE GTVA missiles. And, well...
It seems the Shivans were cool in FS1, from what I've seen of it (I still have yet to play the campaign, but I might as well have from an informational standpoint), but they crapped out in FS2- bacame, essentially, just another evil alien race. For some reason, 100 ships slightly more powerful than another ship just isn't all that impressive, while a single, mysterious ubership with technology that can knock out a planet while you're still using peashooters is great. Likely, even if there were no Colossus to make the Sath look like just another Shivan ship, having way too many of them would have ruined the effect. I mean, which were you actually closer to freaking in- the missions where the Ravanna suddenly pops out of nowhere, and starts blowing you to bits, or the missions where you spot half a dozen Sathani? And which one had numerically more power? Notice anything? Excess kills a good atmosphere.
But that's just the Sath and Lucy- hardly the only thing that made the Shivans cool in FS1 and pointedly not in FS2. Well, actually, that's about it- other than their rather mysterious nature in the first game (they're less aliens than insurmountable galactic forces at work, whil in FS2 they're quite mortal, explained away to a dissapointing degree, and, well, just more sociopathic aliens), and the plenitude of interesting cutscenes in FS1 lacking in FS2 (what can I say? FreeSpace works better asa half-movie). But overall, I'd tend to say the Shivans WERE cool. Ah well...
Post by: Galemp on April 09, 2002, 08:29:20 pm
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
It seems the Shivans were cool in FS1, from what I've seen of it (I still have yet to play the campaign, but I might as well have from an informational standpoint),
:thepimp: Haven't smoked one of these in a while.
And yes, your message is sound! FS1 had everything better 'cept graphics. That's why I made the port. ;)
Post by: vadar_1 on April 09, 2002, 09:10:38 pm
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Originally posted by aldo_14
pff.....Shivans
pff.... big shivan anal raping beams...
( first ) (http://fc.olaki.net/SBFA1.jpg) ( second ) (http://fc.olaki.net/SBFA2.jpg)
( third - shown ) (http://fc.olaki.net/SBFA3.jpg)
yes these are old pictures
Post by: Anaz on April 09, 2002, 09:36:32 pm
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Originally posted by vadar_1
pff.... big shivan anal raping beams...
HEY!!!!!
(oh...btw...you missed :p)
Post by: FSW on April 11, 2002, 01:28:35 pm
Like when you first see the Ravana. You only see the front part of it which is firing a million beams in your direction. First thought: RUN!
Post by: Stunaep on April 13, 2002, 08:52:51 am
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Originally posted by FSW
Shivans can be scary. Not fearful scary, but cool scary.
Like when you first see the Ravana. You only see the front part of it which is firing a million beams in your direction. First thought: RUN!
Repeat for SD lucifer and SJ Sathanas, and if you please, then the GTVA Poseidon...uuuh...Colossus.
Its old, but it weorks.
Post by: Redfang on April 13, 2002, 09:49:38 am
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Originally posted by Stunaep
SD lucifer
:ha:
Says the one who has only played FS2. Of course I know Lucifer was scary ship... but in FS2 it isn't. ;)
Post by: CP5670 on April 13, 2002, 10:01:49 am
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Their anti-fighter beams aren't very good, either.
You're right about that; the anti-fighter beams reload quite a bit faster, but they do only 5/14 of the damage per shot. :p
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Correction. Their missiles ARE GTVA missiles. And, well...
Yes, but the Shivans tend to use the harpoon#weak and hornet#weak missiles quite a bit in the missions. :p Also, the Hornet is already outdated by FS2 time and has gone out of production long before; they used those only because they had a lot of them left over. ;)
Post by: FSW on April 13, 2002, 12:12:17 pm
In Sathanas missions, a Sathanas appears and just stays there, waiting for you to run away from it.
Also the fact that the Lucifer was invincible and made it all the way to your home planet. :)
Post by: Fr3z3r on April 22, 2002, 03:57:10 pm
Post by: Nuclear1 on April 26, 2002, 02:01:44 pm
A Sathanas in a FS2 movie would cause people to crap their pants if it was done right....... :shaking: :eek: (here comes the... ahem.... Shivan "anal raping" beams......
The Colossus? Great against NTF, sucks against Shivans. You practrically do all the work when you have to destroy the big S. (wimpy captain :D)
Just bring the Psamtik behind the S, and watch Shivans die!
im done now............. :nervous: :doubt:
Post by: Setekh on April 27, 2002, 02:18:09 am
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Originally posted by nuclear1
(here comes the... ahem.... Shivan "anal raping" beams......
Uhhh, captain? You know what you doing?
Post by: FSW on April 27, 2002, 05:08:56 pm
"Yeah. So?"
"I suggest we get on the other side of the node so we can get the juggernaut from behind."
"Shut up and let me drink my coffee."
"Sir..."
"What is it now?"
"A juggernaut just jumped in from the Capella star. It is powering up its beam cannons."
"Then kill it."
"It's bigger than us, sir. I suggest we jump out. We have done all we can for the Bastion."
"Nonsense! A few more seconds in which we 'hold them off' will make all the difference."
BOOM
Post by: Nuclear1 on April 27, 2002, 05:18:52 pm
The Poseidon.... errr, Colossus never really stood a chance against the Big S. If it weren't for the almighty Alpha One (:D), it would have been dead long ago........
Post by: _argv[-1] on May 11, 2002, 09:26:43 am
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Originally posted by nuclear1
:lol: :lol:
The Poseidon.... errr, Colossus never really stood a chance against the Big S. If it weren't for the almighty Alpha One (:D), it would have been dead long ago........
Er, it has BFGreens (in 'High Noon', anyway). Without A1, it would be a real close fight.
The Colossus has most of its firepower on the sides, so if it had one side facing the Sathanas, it'll take and deal some considerable amount of damage, before finally getting to the Sathanas' side, at which point it wins. Alpha 1 didn't save the Colossus in 'High Noon'. Alpha 1 did, however, let the Colossus keep 100% hull.
The only reason the Colossus lost in 'Their Finest Hour' was that it didn't have BFGreens or engines, and it was down to ~40% hull. No jumping out, no taking out the Shivan juggernaut, and no surviving the blasts from said juggernaut. They had the Colossus using slashers for crying out f***ing loud. Of course it lost.
Another thing: If the Colossus were able to aim its beams well enough, it wouldn't need Alpha 1 at all, since it could simply take out the Sathanas' beams before wasting the rest of it. It certainly has enough firepower. However, if the Colossus were able to do this, surely the Sathanas could do the same to the Colossus.
Post by: beatspete on May 11, 2002, 10:26:00 am
The Collosus wouldnt have needed alpha 1 at all, if it had only positioned itself behind the sathanas in 'high noon'. Poor tactics, not a poor ship.
pete
Post by: TheVirtu on May 11, 2002, 10:39:26 am
Post by: Killfrenzy on May 11, 2002, 04:01:09 pm
Anyways - I'm a Shivan, and we've got half the Galaxy under our.......something........
Don't mess!:D
Post by: beatspete on May 12, 2002, 03:22:21 pm
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Originally posted by nuclear1
:lol: :lol:
The Poseidon.... errr, Colossus ...
Hey, dont slag Poseidons, i got destroyed by one not that long ago. :doh:
Damn its pesky HL-7 turrets.
Post by: _argv[-1] on May 13, 2002, 10:41:29 pm
In other words, had 'Their Finest Hour' been a fair fight (Colossus has all LRBGreens and 100% hull and engines), that juggernaut would have been smoldering debris.
"The Ravana is going down, but we've sustained critical damage..." Uh, you mean it sustained critical damage, don't you? :D :D :D
Post by: beatspete on May 14, 2002, 02:45:09 pm
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Originally posted by _argv[-1]
I actually tried modifying 'Their Finest Hour' the other day. Replaced the Colossus' BGreens and TerSlashes with LRBGreens.
Intresting, though didn't the origional collosus have BF greens, not LRBgreens?
If i could find the beam guide (think it's zylobanes) it tell u whether it made much difference.
pete
Post by: TheVirtu on May 14, 2002, 06:01:00 pm
Post by: karajorma on May 14, 2002, 06:13:37 pm
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Originally posted by beatspete
If i could find the beam guide (think it's zylobanes) it tell u whether it made much difference.
pete
There's a link to it in my FAQ somewhere :)
Post by: beatspete on May 15, 2002, 03:54:04 am
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Originally posted by beatspete
Intresting, though didn't the origional collosus have BF greens, not LRBgreens?
Turns out they both do the same damage overall so i suppose it doesnt matter.
Oh and thanks karajorma for the link.
Wow BF Reds are powerfull :jaw:
Post by: _argv[-1] on May 15, 2002, 05:11:16 am
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Originally posted by beatspete
Turns out they both do the same damage overall so i suppose it doesnt matter.
Oh and thanks karajorma for the link.
Wow BF Reds are powerfull :jaw:
Actually BFGreen and LRBGreen are identical, with the exception that LRBGreen has twice the range of BFGreen.