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Hosted Projects - Standalone => Fate of the Galaxy => Topic started by: bobbtmann on December 11, 2009, 09:46:42 pm
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Does anyone know what this little ship is? It, or a version of it, has popped up in the Shadows of the Empire comic.
On the topic of this mystery ship: do you guys need any unarmed transports? I'd like to try my hand at making it, if you guys could possibly use it...
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Does anyone know what this little ship is? It, or a version of it, has popped up in the Shadows of the Empire comic.
On the topic of this mystery ship: do you guys need any unarmed transports? I'd like to try my hand at making it, if you guys could possibly use it...
yeah, that rebel fleet at the end of ESB has a couple ships i for one never seen elsewhere.
pretty ugly for it to be worthwhile, IMO.
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Oh? With only one image to go off of, it'll be a bit more flexible to work with.
I'm gonna make it!
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Have fun with it then :P
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Then it's gonna be the Bobbtmann-class light freighter.
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Yeah, right. :)
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Yeah, right. :)
If you do a good enough job on it, I wouldn't say that's too far of a stretch - especially since it doesn't appear to already have any name.
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exactly, its weird a ship in freaking ESB doesn't already have a history to it, this is a rare opportunity.
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I just hope it's not two ships in front of each other. Like say, a Corellian Corvette in the background and a podracer in the foreground...
EDIT: Seriously though, I can't shake the feeling that I've seen that, or part of that, somewhere before. Maybeeee... Star Wars Starfighter? Rebel Assault? Rogue Squadron?
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My essential guide says nothing regarding a ship of that particular configuration, though I did briefly (all of two seconds) think it might be whatever class Hound's Tooth is.
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I just hope it's not two ships in front of each other. Like say, a Corellian Corvette in the background and a podracer in the foreground...
EDIT: Seriously though, I can't shake the feeling that I've seen that, or part of that, somewhere before. Maybeeee... Star Wars Starfighter? Rebel Assault? Rogue Squadron?
I'm thinking X-wing Alliance. It's got a lot of light freighters and transports.
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I just hope it's not two ships in front of each other. Like say, a Corellian Corvette in the background and a podracer in the foreground...
EDIT: Seriously though, I can't shake the feeling that I've seen that, or part of that, somewhere before. Maybeeee... Star Wars Starfighter? Rebel Assault? Rogue Squadron?
I have wondered about that too. The initial sketches I made of it were based on a still image, but after watching a clip I had to change my interpretation because there was some parallax motion where I didn't think there would be. The shape of the ship has changed a bit, but it's still one ship.
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So I've started working on it. A little different from the image. I've been working from memory, since my memory stick is broken and I don't have the internet at home.
It's a bit bigger than it was probably meant to be, around ninety metres, give or take ten. It's that size that the pylon sticking out the back can accomodate the class-A cargo modules. I think there's already a freighter in the game that carries those modules, so it'd be good to keep them standardized. The little guy standing next to it is 1.9 metres, which is 6' 2". The bubble he's next to will be either the cockpit or an observation bubble. If we take after the Millenium Falcon, then the cockpit will be the right-hand bubble.
It's around 3200 triangles.
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i thought it looked more like two of the ship in the hitchhiker's guide movie with a plyon tying them together, and then there;s the arm for mounting cargo like in your model, going off that pic.
but hey, its an obscure shot, and that's just what i see.
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I did intentionally change the shape of the two pods. They were more cylindrical, but I narrowed and raised their ends to make them a bit more dynamic.
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Maybe you can make the non-cockpit bubble a turret-bubble?
Maybe have a quad laser or something on it.
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I'm liking it so far, one suggestion though would be to make the pods different from each other, to show a reason for the offset cargo pylon at the back.
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For some reason those front sections remind me a bit of Bossk's ship, though that's even a bit further from the ESB movie design in its angularity. I wonder if anyone ever took a couple pictures of the filming model or anything, and they're just sitting in some cabinet at ILM.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hound%27s_Tooth
Anyway it looks cool, and if you're doing the cargo module there it might be neat to do some of the other associated ships as well...Can save memory that way by sharing textures, and you can never have enough convoy variety, right? ;7
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I'm liking it so far, one suggestion though would be to make the pods different from each other, to show a reason for the offset cargo pylon at the back.
I was thinking the biggest way I will set the two apart from each other was the way the arm and the docking pylon were attached to the ship. Right now they're just floating behind the ship, so they'll need to be integrated.
Which brings me to the suggestion of the quad turret in the bubble. The back extensions feel different enough from the ship that they could be things tacked on by the rebel alliance, to make it more useful for them. The arm rises just above the cargo module, so it's a good place for a turret. Maybe the alliance added it onto an unarmed craft.
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So are you going for a Corellian look, or what?
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Will this be a light freighter a la the Millennium Falcon (there are two n's in Millennium, by the way) or a transport such as the Rebel Medium Transport?
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I suppose it is sort of becoming corellian in nature. I hadn't really considered it, though it will be bigger than the Millennium Falcon. I figured people must live on it quite permanently, since in the movie it's just floating out in space with the fleet. The crew would work out of one pod, passengers and rebellion personnel in the second.
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I suppose it is sort of becoming corellian in nature. I hadn't really considered it, though it will be bigger than the Millennium Falcon. I figured people must live on it quite permanently, since in the movie it's just floating out in space with the fleet. The crew would work out of one pod, passengers and rebellion personnel in the second.
random idea, mobile rebel listening post. lets face it to work effectively the alliance would need a means to monitor Imperial activity, they dont have re resources of the empire to dispatch hundreds of expendable probe droids, fixed installations can be easily detected so why not a mobile platform that could change position to avoid detection, improve its chances of and move area of operation faster than it would take to set up a fixed listening post there would also be all sorts of explanations as to why its moving around the fleet such as repair, replenishment, crew change. The pod thing at the side would be where all the mission equipment would be kept and at the size you are on about it could be feasible for long periods in space
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I dunno, I think that our shipset would be better bolstered by more transports rather than a listening post. Especially considering one could easily chalk up the rebellion's knowledge of Imperial movements to spies and sympathizers on thousands of worlds, along with all the freighter captains and smugglers that are secretly helping them out as they pass through various systems.
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fair enough, in my defense it was 1.30 am when i posted that lol so not exactly firing on all cylinders
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There are many weird vessels in the background around the Nebulon-B in that scene
(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/e/e5/Rebel_fleet_ESB.jpg)
I remember a whole web page dedicated to them somewhere... but it seems to have shut down.
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hey look and at the same angle in relation to the camera
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From this angle, it looks like a messed up Y-wing.
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Considering that scene was part of a movie, shouldn't there be at least several other frames showing that ship, some of which ought to have at least slightly different angles of it?
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Considering that scene was part of a movie, shouldn't there be at least several other frames showing that ship, some of which ought to have at least slightly different angles of it?
i blame accountants
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Considering that scene was part of a movie, shouldn't there be at least several other frames showing that ship, some of which ought to have at least slightly different angles of it?
Indeed, you are correct sir. So, I popped episode V into my computer, scrolled on over to the end of the film and grabbed some screens. I think you'll all be pleasantly interested.
The first three shots are as the camera gets closer and the angle changes. I blew each capture up to the same size, which is why the first two seem blurry.
The fourth shot was captured after Luke and Lando have their dialogue and the Falcon departs, immediately before the credits roll. I believe that ship above the frigate's spine is the same transport, but from behind.
EDIT: Really, this is not to poo all over bobbtmann's excellent imagination and work on the freighter so far. Just to satisfy anybody's curiosity.
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That 3rd shot is pretty nice, Scourge; looks like a kitbash made with a couple corvette heads to me. Does anyone by chance have the high res version of ESB that way floating around a while back, I think with Adywan's color corrections? Just curious, cause this scene seems to have a collection of unknown original trilogy ships, and it'd be cool to see them with a bit better definition.
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Considering that scene was part of a movie, shouldn't there be at least several other frames showing that ship, some of which ought to have at least slightly different angles of it?
Right. That was what I was refering to parallax motion. Unfortunately, I don't have my copy of "The Empire Strikes Back", so youtube was providing me all my reference. I must say that Scourge of Ages third screenshot is very nice and clear. It also looks like my original sketch was more accurate than my post-video watching version. Oh well.
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An update:
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That, Sir, is glorious. ;) :yes:
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I like everything about it except for the globes at the front. They just don't seem to jive with the rest of the design or with SW designs as a whole, in my opinion. Not quite sure what I'd do with them though, unfortunately.
The rest of it, however, is fantastic, can't wait to see it fully textured with greebles and everything!
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Maybe shrink them down and use some sort of variation on a WWII bomber nose canopy? I think that was the inspiration for the Falcon's cockpit, so it would be in keeping if this were a Corellian design. I agree that the bubbles are a bit out of place for SW, but I like the rest of it a lot. :yes:
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Maybe use more ww2 bombers for inspiration? If they're spheroid thingies, maybe take inspiration from a b-17 or a liberator ball turret? Something along these lines? http://www.untoldvalor.com/images/ball_turret_ad_great_shot.jpg
Don't even have to be turrets, mind you - just throwing ideas about.
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The world war II bomber solution seems to be popping up a bit. My girlfriend also suggested a similar solution. I'll try breaking up the expanse of the bubble with some bracing elements.
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All that and it's in-game too! Good job!
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Oh, that was the front?
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They kept this transporty thing in "Something Something Something Darkside" :yes:
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An update. Some details, tubes, panels, and the like.
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An update. Some details, tubes, panels, and the like.
I approve of the slightly less-bubbly bubbles. Good work!
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Agreed, it's looking much better
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Sweet beans and hot damn sauce! I love it!
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Some reverse detailing:
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I take it you disliked some aspect of some parts and want to redo them?
Or is this for LODs ?
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*Facepalm
Well Aard, I'd assume the only reasonable thing it could be would be a LOD... :rolleyes:
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It's the LOD1. For some reason, I've always found them to be more interesting than the full detail models.
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Me too. I think it's because they're more achievable for me :lol:
Or is this being detailed front to back? Seriously, this is some serious attention to detail to a minor almost unknown ship.
Kudos.
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*Facepalm
Well Aard, I'd assume the only reasonable thing it could be would be a LOD... :rolleyes:
If you had read what I had said you'd have seen that I already had an alternative (mis)interpretation, which is why I asked.
I was thinking maybe he didn't like the front he had given it, and was redoing it. But apparently he's not.
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No, I'm quite happy with the front. I'm doing the debris right now, and I don't really want to do too much revisiting. Speaking of which...
chief1983: Is there a damage/debris texture for FotG? I would like to have a copy, if you would send one to me. My texture for the Carrack debris was not very good. Inefficient, since it couldn't be used with any other ship.
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No, we don't have one yet, as none of our models have a debris mesh yet.
Maybe I'll try and cook one up sometime soon.
Also, I know, I'm not chief.
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I was going to say, one does have a debris mesh but then I realized it's the Carrack he's talking about. Personally, I always wondered why debris looked like a piece of lava rock, and not more like a bunch of sawed-off corridors and piping and broken hull. I mean yeah that'd be hard to do on a flat surface, and hard to do generically, but I always felt like we could do better than the retail stuff.
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I'll see if I can come up with something. I think ideally we should look more at breaking the ship up, still using mostly the original texture, and then a debris texture for the areas where breaks occur. Have the glowmaps on the original mesh disappear but have a glowmap for the debris texture to simulate fires and the like. Maybe animated if we can keep the size low and tile it.
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I think the biggest problem with having sawed off corridors and pipes is that they have to be modelled and mapped. The end product doesn't even get seen, since he ship blows up and the pieces spin off into the distance.
Speaking of having glow maps disappear, can the glow maps be disabled if the ship were disabled?
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It can be done in FRED simply enough.
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Looks like it can easily be converted into a tank.
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She's actually very graceful.
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I'm pretty pumped for this ship. Are you planning on doing the standard cargo containers as well? I think we might have had a version of those in progress with a BFF-1 freighter that had its mesh done but was left untextured. I'm just excited to see how it looks fully loaded down... :yes:
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Well, I did make a class A cargo container. I used it to measure the length of the pylon on the back of the ship. It's untextured.
There were a bunch of standard containers in some sort of old Star Wars game. Wookiepedia had a list of them, and they seemed pretty silly. I guess the different shapes of the cargo containers was a gameplay mechanic. It would allow the player to know what's in the pod, even if the shapes were arbitrary.
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Did we mention a name for this yet? Brand suggested YG-3200 on IRC if it's an older Corellian design.
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It's lacking the trademark doughnut / burger that's central to all yt craft. Maybe something referencing the dual nature of the front?
TW1-n or gem-1n, Rem-Rom transport.
The final word is Brands of course.
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It's lacking the trademark doughnut / burger that's central to all yt craft. Maybe something referencing the dual nature of the front?
Maybe that's why it's YG, not YT.
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That was what I was getting at, but I thought it probably not worth the post. Oh well, maybe it was.
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This isn't Star Wars related, but it is sort of pertaining to the transport model. The laptop I was making it on doesn't want to start up. It gets to the windows start up screen, then the screen turns blue and I get this message asking me how I would like to start Windows. Normal and "Last working mode..." doesn't work, and Safe mode gets stuck on agpCPQ.sys. Acer never included a Windows XP disc with the system.
I've looked up online, and the only possible thing I've found is to start up with a boot disc, from http://www.allbootdisks.com/ . Does this sound safe? Or even like it'll work?
This all happened after the last Microsoft update (though safemode has been broken for a while now).
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If you don't have a good backup do nothing until you can get one. The drive is apparently still working so the data should be there.
Second check Microsoft's site for instructions on how to uninstall the last update if you can't boot after. They may have a way to do it listed if others have had the issue as well.
But yea there are a couple of boot utilities out there. Can't speak for that one in particular since I usually just make my own.
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Further to FUBAR's advice: make a backup before risking lethal drive damage. The last thing this project needs is more lost models. (Brand, I'm looking at you. I'm looking at you and hoping you're backing up everything.) One way to try backing up is to get your hands on a bootable CD - most gui-based linux distros have them available as the standard installer now.
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/use-ubuntu-live-cd-to-backup-files-from-your-dead-windows-computer/
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Some drives on manufacturer PCs come with recovery partitions, that can even go so far as to back up your current data to a folder on the reset partition. Might look into something like that, but you'd have to have a lot of free space (at least what the hard drive had used when you first got it, plus overhead).
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Ubuntu linux is by far the easiest setup i've ever done.
Win apps won't work obviously but it should allow you to backup to memory stick.
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I actually made a bootable flash drive from the Ubuntu ISO, but you'd still need another writable flash drive or external drive to back up the data. But that would probably be a good solution, get into Ubuntu LiveCD environment, it will probably auto mount your NTFS partitions or you could do it by hand, and then copy the critical data to a flash drive/external.
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Thanks guys! I had a meeting with a Computing Sciences professor yesterday, and while I was there I asked him the about my laptop. He said pretty much the same thing, suggested a linux boot cd or something along those lines.
As for the mystery transport, its safe. My laptop has two hard drives, and the transport was on the one that didn't have Windows. Its all my other data that I'm worried about.
So I'll give the linux thing a try.
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I guess the FotG curse got the wrong drive then.
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Thanks guys! I had a meeting with a Computing Sciences professor yesterday, and while I was there I asked him the about my laptop. He said pretty much the same thing, suggested a linux boot cd or something along those lines.
As for the mystery transport, its safe. My laptop has two hard drives, and the transport was on the one that didn't have Windows. Its all my other data that I'm worried about.
So I'll give the linux thing a try.
If that's the case, and your data's safe, you have a few other options:
A) Try to get ahold of the Acer restore CDs. If your laptop didn't come with them, you should've been prompted to make your own when you first booted it up - if you didn't, it's your own fault, but you should still be able to contact Acer and get them to send some to you (for a price). Use that to get your Windows back up and running.
2) Use a regular Windows installation CD (usually Retail). You can attempt to do a repair install (which should keep all your programs and settings) or just wipe and make a fresh install (which would require you to reinstall all your programs). If you wipe anything though, make sure you're looking at the right drive. Actually, make another backup somewhere outside of the laptop first anyways, just to be safe.
D) Forget Windows entirely and use Linux. As has been said, Ubuntu's a very nice, fully featured, and easy to use operating system. Wipe your Windows drive, install Ubuntu on it instead, and if there's any Windows programs that you still can't live without, install WINE and you should still be good.
Either way, good luck getting everything back up and running! I look forward to seeing more modeling progress from you!
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This is specific to my netbook, but my wifi card isn't supported by ubuntu and I therefore don't have access to that software library thing.
Might be worth a google to see how compatibale it is beforehand.
That aside openoffice is included in the install. Which although it's free anyway, was still a nice surprise.
Worst case you can just uninstall it.
So you guys decided on a name yet?
FTR, i'm not as hardcore at knowing the entire correlian model designation format. So scuse the YT misunderstanding. :p
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Most laptop manufactures no longer include the OS discs. You have to order them from the company. I called Toshiba and get them sent to me for the cost of shipping for my wife's laptop.
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Most laptop manufactures no longer include the OS discs. You have to order them from the company. I called Toshiba and get them sent to me for the cost of shipping for my wife's laptop.
Like I said, when you first get the laptop it prompts you to create your own restore disks - I believe all manufacturers do this now, and have been doing it for years. If you didn't make them, you can pay to get the manufacturer ship replacements to you.