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Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Setekh on March 05, 2001, 07:57:00 am
Some weapons in FS2, I think, are redundant. The best example I can think of is the Huge Terran Turret - it's armed on the Orion and the Typhon I remember, and probably other ships too. It's that big green blob that you occasionally see flying along, which has no hope of ever hitting any fighter, and does very little damage to other capships.

The same can be spoken of most other conventional laser turrets on ships. I think that all these 'old book' weapons should be replaced by weak, but similarly effective beams - weakened anti-capship beams, essentially. I think the laser turret has outlived its usefulness. What do you guys think?
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Griffon UK on March 05, 2001, 08:39:00 am
1) they are called Plasma Turrets (IMO anyway  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif))
2) They do cause major damage to lower capital ships (think Fenris/Cain)

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Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Darkage on March 05, 2001, 08:41:00 am
I agree whit you that's the reason why i replaced the gun turrets whit missile turrest.Or you could make them fire faster (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Shrike on March 05, 2001, 09:49:00 am
Just try the Arsenal, they're a lot more effective antifighter.  Mainly because they go about twice as fast.
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Ulysses777 on March 05, 2001, 12:21:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by Griffon UK:
1) they are called Plasma Turrets (IMO anyway   (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif))
2) They do cause major damage to lower capital ships (think Fenris/Cain)


Anything does major damage to a Fenris. You can even have a good go with an ML-16  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

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Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Jabu on March 05, 2001, 12:23:00 pm
Just make better Plasma Turrets. Up the speed, or power. Nothing more to it.
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Setekh on March 05, 2001, 03:13:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by Ulysses777:
Anything does major damage to a Fenris. You can even have a good go with an ML-16   (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

H4w! So true, I eat Fenris cruisers for breakfast in my Erinyes.  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)

Btw guys, no beams? I like beams... they look cool  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Shrike on March 05, 2001, 03:25:00 pm
Flak Attack!

(this won't be half as funny if you haven't played RA2)
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Kazan on March 05, 2001, 07:11:00 pm
or in B5 big damage to big ships See "CapShip Heavy Plasma" on the Nova  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

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Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Jake Logan on March 05, 2001, 09:11:00 pm
i don't know. those turrets beat you up pretty bad on highter difficulty settings.
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Setekh on March 05, 2001, 10:43:00 pm
Yeh, that's true. Especially the Shivan ones  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif) Oh well, I just wanted to entertain the thought of seeing a battle with beams all over the place. Maybe ones which didn't rock fighters about so much, or something like that.  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: phreak on March 07, 2001, 04:21:00 pm
you want them faster, more rapid-fire and more damaging.

 
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Flak Attack!

Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: NeoHunter on March 07, 2001, 07:55:00 pm
I think I'll go make a more effective Terran Huge Turret laser. Make FreeSpace look like Star Wars space battles. Hehehe (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

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Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Ramius on March 08, 2001, 07:11:00 pm
Greetings, all. I'm an import from spacebattles.com.


Want faster-firing bolts? Replace the Terran Huge Turrets with Prometheus cannons, or modify the weapons table to up the speed.
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Shrike on March 08, 2001, 08:01:00 pm
Welcome.

One thing I've noticed about using the big turrets is that they'll do damage to you straight through your shields...it'll be only a few percent hull, but it's a pain when the first hit does hull damage when you have full shields.
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: NeoHunter on March 08, 2001, 08:19:00 pm
They do?! Never noticed. I'll try that oonce I reach home.

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Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Ramius on March 08, 2001, 09:26:00 pm
The Shivan Megafunk Turret does even more damage with the same shield-piercing effect of the Huge Turret. Ral nasty when you're hit by it, too.
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Setekh on March 08, 2001, 11:25:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by Ramius:
Greetings, all. I'm an import from spacebattles.com.

Cool, I see you got the message  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif) Like I said before, it's a good place to discuss good topics about FS. Welcome.  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif) Bring your friends  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: NeoHunter on March 09, 2001, 12:26:00 am
Yeah. And ask your friends to bring THEIR friends. And then your friend's friends to bring along their friends.......


Need I go on? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

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Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Admiral LSD on March 11, 2001, 12:17:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by NeoHunter:
Need I go on?  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

If you must...  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)

oh and btw whatever possessed them to call it the "Shivan Megafunk Laser" is it the same thing that gave rise to Headz, Summoner Geeks and the Vasudan beam turrets in just the right location to make it look like the ships taking a leak perhaps?

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Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: NeoHunter on March 11, 2001, 09:41:00 pm
Could be. You'll never know  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

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Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Setekh on March 11, 2001, 10:08:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by NeoHunter:
Could be. You'll never know   (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

Oh, I think the answer isn't so secret. *Looks over in daveb's direction*  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Ramius on March 12, 2001, 11:10:00 am
If I bring too many people from SB over, it'll end up pulling this site into the ASVS vs SB war.

Long-story-short, ASVS is inhabited by Star Wars fans that have the idea that the Empire cannot be beaten. They harass SB every so often because SB has superior proof of their wrongs, and SB has their own movies (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Lately, it's come to the point that if ASVS tries anything, we at SB pull out the Shivans, Culture, SSJ2 Gohan, Ultra-Perfect Cell, and SSJ4 Goku. They really had their pride smashed when we told them how powerful Cell is, and that the rest are evern more powerful (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Shrike on March 12, 2001, 12:50:00 pm
The Culture 0wns j00.

Period.
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Ramius on March 12, 2001, 02:07:00 pm
Not likely. I am a fan of DBZ, and I say SSJ4 Goku wins over the culture.
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Jabu on March 12, 2001, 03:35:00 pm
That'd be a fight worth watching on pay-per-view. Only $29.99.
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Setekh on March 12, 2001, 04:32:00 pm
Ouch... say, I'm no expert (I wish I was), but where would the Shadows from B5 list on that all-power lineup..?  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Shrike on March 12, 2001, 04:44:00 pm
Culture GSV:  *outhinks Goku, shoots him with gridfire projector.  No more Goku.*

Shadow ship:  >Shadow scream<  *shoots it a few times with the molecular slicer.  Does nothing.*

GSV:  Screw off, punk!  *Shoots the shadow ship with a gridfire projector, then proceeds to take out Zha'ha'dum for good measure.*
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Jabu on March 12, 2001, 04:50:00 pm
Everyone on that list (well, except maybe the Shivans) could take down the Shadows and Vorlons combined.
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Setekh on March 12, 2001, 05:03:00 pm
Yikes... what is a gridfire projector, anyhoo?  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Griffon UK on March 12, 2001, 05:56:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by Shrike:
Flak Attack!

(this won't be half as funny if you haven't played RA2)

i havent played RA2, but surely EVERYONE has heard of the ruskie flak troopers & flak traks  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

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Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Jake Logan on March 12, 2001, 06:35:00 pm
why U forget 8472? you stupid? 8472 ownz all races  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Shrike on March 12, 2001, 07:34:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by Setekh:
Yikes... what is a gridfire projector, anyhoo?   (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

Eh, remember my explanation of ZPE?  It's like a big ZPE cannon thingie.
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: NeoHunter on March 12, 2001, 08:28:00 pm
Who cares about those? Nuke them all!!

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Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Shrike on March 12, 2001, 08:43:00 pm
A gridfire projector makes a nuke look like a cherry bomb.  In one scene, they chop apart an orbital (think a ringworld ~1,000,000km across) into little, itty, bitty bits, rather quickly too I might add.
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: NeoHunter on March 12, 2001, 08:49:00 pm
Oh. Damn!

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Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Setekh on March 12, 2001, 09:00:00 pm
NeoHunter, you have been incredibly badly 0wned  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Shrike on March 12, 2001, 10:06:00 pm
Gridfire weapons are one of the 0wniest guns I've ever run across.

Of course, the Shrike still takes the prize for 0wniest thing in existence.
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Jake Logan on March 12, 2001, 10:37:00 pm
cough*the Lexx*cough
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Shrike on March 12, 2001, 11:46:00 pm
pff........The Lexx couldn't react fast enough.  Culture ships engage at the milisecond level.....blink your eye and it's over.
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: NeoHunter on March 12, 2001, 11:50:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by Setekh:
NeoHunter, you have been incredibly badly 0wned   (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)


What you mean by 0wned?? I'm still puzzled by this word........


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Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Jabu on March 13, 2001, 07:42:00 am
Culture ships are like created for vs. battles. They win every one  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Setekh on March 13, 2001, 02:15:00 pm
NeoHunter: Never mind...  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

Btw, has anyone got a pic of these Culture ships..?  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: NeoHunter on March 13, 2001, 07:37:00 pm
Too bad there's no more Babylon 5 here in Singapore.

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Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Setekh on March 13, 2001, 07:59:00 pm
There was never any B5 in Australia anyway (except on cable). I wonder if I can find the movies anywhere on the net for d/l - I found the Robotech episodes, but I don't know about B5...  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/redface.gif)
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Shrike on March 13, 2001, 09:04:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by Setekh:
NeoHunter: Never mind...   (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

Btw, has anyone got a pic of these Culture ships..?   (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

They look like boxes, cyclinders or whatever...actually quite simple looking.
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Setekh on March 13, 2001, 10:15:00 pm
That must have been good for whoever was animating them.  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Shrike on March 13, 2001, 10:27:00 pm
They're from a book series......the author is Ian M. Banks.
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: NeoHunter on March 13, 2001, 11:04:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by Shrike:
They look like boxes, cyclinders or whatever...actually quite simple looking.

Like this?

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Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Admiral LSD on March 14, 2001, 03:13:00 am
 
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Originally posted by Setekh:
There was never any B5 in Australia anyway (except on cable). I wonder if I can find the movies anywhere on the net for d/l - I found the Robotech episodes, but I don't know about B5...   (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/redface.gif)

IIRC there used to be B5 here in Australia, years ago, but like every other sci-fi show it was put on so late that it never rated half as well as it should've done. The pilot movie was on here a couple of days ago though but again at a late timeslot. oh and btw where did you find the robotech eps? I would love to see them.


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Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: Setekh on March 14, 2001, 03:46:00 am
 
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Originally posted by Admiral LSD:
oh and btw where did you find the robotech eps? I would love to see them.

I can't remember now, but contact Max Sterling ( [email protected] ) - he knows a lot about it.  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Title: Effectiveness of Conventional Laser Turrets
Post by: NeoHunter on March 15, 2001, 03:29:00 am
Max is A-1 SUPAR!  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

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