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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Leeko on December 16, 2009, 06:06:28 pm
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Tidings of doom?
Plans for international copyright law leaked (http://www.boingboing.net/2009/11/03/secret-copyright-tre.html)
Biden hosts one-sided round table (http://torrentfreak.com/us-holds-ridiculously-one-sided-anti-piracy-roundtable-091215/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Torrentfreak+(Torrentfreak))
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****.
That is all i can say.
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And this wasn't news way back in the beginning of November why?
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I just found it... :ick: I read somewhere else that this is still in the works though.
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****. Something like this tramples all over due process.
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i suppose it would depend on how the power of the entertainment industry stacks against the freedom of speech/expression/constitutional rights types balances out
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I meant, if this were real, why didn't it break a month and a half ago?
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Apparently no one on HLP noticed?
Also updated original post with another thing I found.
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Not just here, anywhere. The second might have some merit to it, but until I actually hear about the first, I very much doubt its credibility.
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The second one references it, I actually found them in the other order, but I thought to post links... well, in the order I did.
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France's Supreme court already struck down similar provisions because of due process concerns. I can't see them flying any better in any other democratic country.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement
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How could they do this to the Pirates
they spend their whole lives being peaceful and distributing candy to children. :(
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This may be the most [unpleasant] thing I've ever heard of... in a while, at least.
What makes it worse is that the proposal has apparently been kept classified, thus denying the populace which the legislature would affect any knowledge of what's being planned for them.
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Now if only they thought of pirates as potential customers not being satisfied rather than petty thieves to be hunted.
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i warned you about biden, but you didnt listen.
but look at the bright side, hackers have always outsmarted politicians.
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This may be the most gay-tackular thing I've ever heard of... in a while, at least.
Hey.
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This may be the most gay-tackular thing I've ever heard of... in a while, at least.
That is bigoted and in extremely poor taste. You wouldn't call something "Jew-tastic" or "broad-tastic", would you? That is basically what you are doing.
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Not that good ol' Thaeris is a bigot by disposition, but yes, the statement itself is bigoted and it's a habit we should all work on kicking.
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This may be the most gay-tackular thing I've ever heard of... in a while, at least.
Since you decided to use homophobic comments for no good reason, you are now the most gay-tackular thing on this thread.
You get to keep that custom title for a couple of days as a warning not to use that language again.
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i warned you about biden, but you didnt listen.
but look at the bright side, hackers have always outsmarted politicians.
Here's the thing, he'd be safer to have as a president in terms of your personal and economic freedom than his boss.
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anyway its time i put on my tinfoil hat and spew my conspiracy theory about how the entertainment industry is controlling your politicians so that they can be copyright nazis.
for years the music industry has been using sex drugs crime and other negative aspects in movies, music, ect in an effort to seduce children and teens into becoming media zombies. this has been going on since at least the 60s. somwhere along the line they realized that they could severly alter the psyche of people. through the 60s and 70s they continues to soften up preceptions of what is acceptable, pushing for moar sex, moar violence, moar hedonistic fantasies until they reached a point where anything goes. they were looking for some form of media that would be both very easy to produce and be totally addictive for 90% of the stupid young people that inhabit the highschools across the us of a. after disco failed because it sucked and metal proved to rebellious to control, then came pop and rap music. they realized that this stirred racial emotions in its listeners. anyway they saw this then realized that they could slowly condition the white youths of america to hate their own race. as more and more white listeners switched ofver from slayer to tupac, and became wiggerized, contempt for anything viewd as racist (such as listening to metal or being a conservative/republican). anyway as theese youths grew in numbers and convinced their parents that white people are evil. the entertainment industry saw thens and realized that if they could get a black presidential canidate to essentially be a puppet. with this power they needed some way abuse it. and with the advent of software piracy and the internet they had their answer. they would use their paid for presedent to get rid of pirates thus preventing the second coming of the flying spegetthi monster. enter barak obama. with the seeds of contempt sewn they pretty much gauranteed him the presidency. and he blindly under what ever mind controlling device they inserted into his rectum puched for more evil copywrite laws and once and for all end the pirate menace!
this paranoid delusion has been brought to you by an entire bottle of jose cuervo, a tinfoil hat and codpeice.
and remember kids, just because your paranoid, doesnt mean they are not out to get you.
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The really sad thing is, you might not have made all of that up.... :sigh:
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Not all of it, but the concept that metal was 'too rebellious to control' is somewhat flawed, Metal and even Punk have corporate equivalents (though, much like with Rap, there are those who would argue that the connection is in the name used to describe it, and in no other way are they similar - that's a discussion for another time though). I don't think it's so much to do with the music as the costs required for production, studio time for 4-5 band members, instruments etc is expensive for rock bands with guitars and drums etc, which is what the traditional metal audience expect, but with Rap and Pop you only have one person to pay, you can produce the music on a moderately powerful PC, a lot of pop music isn't even composed, it's the studio equivalent of Fruity-Looped, and in metal, if someone used an autotune to fix a crap voice, there'd be riots.
The simplest answer is for people to simply stop buying corporate production line music (see the UK's current News over 'Killing in the Name of...' by RATM), and eventually, that will happen, but for now, let's hope the UK campaign is at least enough to teach Cowell that the public is getting increasingly sick of wishy washy music and rather poor regurgitations of songs that other people wrote several decades ago.
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Now if only they thought of pirates as potential customers not being satisfied rather than petty thieves to be hunted.
QFT
I'm all for supporting the artists I like, but there's also the fact that I'm a broke little 14-year old who's local library system happens to have a huge media center full of CDs.
And what ever happened to things being about music and not pumping up some guy's ego by attaching their name to fake songs?
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Not that good ol' Thaeris is a bigot by disposition, but yes, the statement itself is bigoted and it's a habit we should all work on kicking.
I will confess that I do not support homosexual behavior in any sense or regard, but you are indeed correct. I've amended the original post, though this comment has now been circulated about this thread so many times that it doesn't matter anyway...
This may be the most gay-tackular thing I've ever heard of... in a while, at least.
Since you decided to use homophobic comments for no good reason, you are now the most gay-tackular thing on this thread.
You get to keep that custom title for a couple of days as a warning not to use that language again.
Point taken. This won't happen again.
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Yes, and if only store-owners thought of shoplifters as potential customers not being satisfied rather than petty thieves.
Principle is the same.
EDIT: I realize that this seems like a disjointed comment. In response to:
Now if only they thought of pirates as potential customers not being satisfied rather than petty thieves to be hunted.
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Worst part is, recording companies commit copyright theft all the time, there's currently a massive case going on with multiple artists over the fact that EMI have been releasing compilation albums with music they no longer own the broadcast rights to. This, apparently, is a very old practice of theirs.
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Yes, and if only store-owners thought of shoplifters as potential customers not being satisfied rather than petty thieves.
The difference being that in the case of shoplifting, you are removing property from the shop. They can no longer sell the item you stole. Digital piracy is 'theft' of information, which isn't exactly in limited supply.
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Look at the second part of my post.
The principle is the same. It is still stealing.
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Sure, but the motives behind shoplifiting are very different from the motives behind software piracy
When the pirated product is superior in usability to the sold product, that's a big issue.
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Look at the second part of my post.
The principle is the same. It is still stealing.
The principle is the same. But it isn't stealing. It's illegal copying.
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Sure, but the motives behind shoplifiting are very different from the motives behind software piracy
When the pirated product is superior in usability to the sold product, that's a big issue.
Like, for instance, not having to muck about with DRM. Fortunately, that is looking to be a nightmare that is mostly over. And you're right about motives too; I've never heard of someone stealing a pack of gum to see if they liked the flavor before buying it. Plus paying $50 for 5-15 hours of entertainment is a pretty steep asking price if you're in a financial situation anything like mine. This changes again if we're talking old games that can only be found on ebay for upwards of $100.
And while the most basic principles may be similar, digital piracy is definitely not theft in the traditional sense. Like I said, you aren't removing something from an owner. Nothing is lost, seeing as how they never had it. Even as it is, piracy isn't as big a thorn in the side of profits as the RAA or the WPAA would have you think. Producing music and publishing software are still multi-billion dollar industries.
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Where do kids nowadays get money to buy new games? Back in 1990s saving 50 € for a game meant lots of work and helping parents, and I was only able to save sufficient amount maybe once a year. I wouldn't have been too happy about buying a game and not getting it to work because of copy protection.
I still view piracy as a theft, though. However, I somewhat do understand sampling the newest album as there is usually only one good song, and that the music shops don't have those preview players anymore. But I don't understand keeping that stuff on HDD and not buying the album after having reviewed it. But DRM mostly irritates the legitimate buyers rather than thwarts copying.
What is it with these radio channels that push hits only music where the playlist repeats every second hour? Or these extra TV channels that mainly have abysmally bad content? I thought the more there is competition, the better it should get. Instead it seems to be the lowest common denominator. Well, I haven't had a TV for 8 years and haven't listened to radio for 6 years. I don't feel I have missed anything.
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When I have money to spare I usually contribute to an artist I want to support, preferably by some way other than buying their music as the producers take most of it. I bought an NAPT (http://www.myspace.com/naptuk) T-shirt a while back, for instance. The money went right to them. I'm assuming I'm not alone with these kind of things.
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The simplest answer is for people to simply stop buying corporate production line music (see the UK's current News over 'Killing in the Name of...' by RATM), and eventually, that will happen, but for now, let's hope the UK campaign is at least enough to teach Cowell that the public is getting increasingly sick of wishy washy music and rather poor regurgitations of songs that other people wrote several decades ago.
I hadn't heard of this until you mentioned it but yeah it is a great idea. :D
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Not that good ol' Thaeris is a bigot by disposition, but yes, the statement itself is bigoted and it's a habit we should all work on kicking.
I will confess that I do not support homosexual behavior in any sense or regard, but you are indeed correct.
*sigh* I look forward to it being 50 years from now when saying stuff like that has gone the way of 'separate but equal'.
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IMO the meanings of words change drastically over time, people really shouldn't be so fussed over it.
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^ i cant believe you guys are still stuck on this tangent. its enough to make me think that your a bunch of closet queers. back on topic!
really what i think we need is an artists revolution. where musicians make their own studios produce their own albums and distribute their own music. something thats becoming more and more viable as the internet evolves. one of the reasons why i like black metal (same applies to some of the outlaw country music i listen too as well). stuff that no one really wants to touch, so they end up producing and distributing on their own and are actually kicking ass at it. celtic frost's latest album is a realy good example where the artists managed to do pretty much everything on their own, then licensed the album to distributors. all this managed to make monotheist one of the best metal albums in a long time. i kinda wich more artists would do this. same for movies, ive tend to lean more to cheap low budget films these days, they are frequently better because theres more emphasis on acting than on special effects and production. piracy doesnt mean the people are evil, it means that the peasants are angry.
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its enough to make me think that your a bunch of closet queers.
(http://picardfacepalm.com/picard-facepalm.jpg)
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its enough to make me think that your a bunch of closet queers.
:blah:
*facepalm snip'd*
:lol:
*sigh* I look forward to it being 50 years from now when saying stuff like that has gone the way of 'separate but equal'.
piracy doesnt mean the people are evil, it means that the peasants are angry.
:yes:
Woohoo thread derailment!
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well since my attempt at getting the thread back on was an epic fail, i might as well lock it.
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Since it's actually on (off)topic, I'll point out that cause Thaeris didn't whine and complain about the title he was given,learned his lesson and actually made the situation into a joke rather than declaring a stupid vendetta he gets a custom title. :p