I'm not sure even the retail campaign is obscenity-free.
The german versions of the original campaigns are free of swearing.... they even got an FSK (age recommendation system in germany and austria) rating of 12.
Which pretty much comes down to no swearing, to talk of sex and no blood on screen. Wether a 12 years old child would understand what's going on, isn't considered in that system (like total annihilation of a species for example....).
If you really needed to clean things up in a particular campaign, you could always just fire up FRED and edit the offending lines of dialog.
Actually, what's up with this? Is there some kind of psychological rule I am unaware of that says "Hear x amount of "bad" language and be irredeemably damaged"?"X=one word", for sufficently young children.
Yes, young children will parrot everything they hear, but the question is: Will this (temporary) "contamination" of their vocabulary affect their sociological or psychological development negatively?I don't think that it will affect their psychology, but with the amount of swearing I hear everyday in school, we don't need another child who learns the word before learning it's meaning.
If you really needed to clean things up in a particular campaign, you could always just fire up FRED and edit the offending lines of dialog.
Censoring the text of offensive lines doesn't sound too hard, but what if the campaign is voice-acted? It seems like the only two choices would be to alter every problematic audio file individually or just ditch the whole voice-acting VP altogether.Well, yeah. Editing the text is easy: extract the mission files from the .vp, edit the mission files, place the mission files to \freespace2\<modname>\data\missions\ and that's it. The mission files in \freespace2\<modname>\data\missions\ will override the mission files in the .vp.
Or I could just make a totally clean campaign myself. Duh. :DThat's also a good solution.
That part was awesome.
Honestly, it even freaked me out.That part left me saying "Oh ****..."
Honestly, it even freaked me out.
I agree with everone of you.That part was awesome.
if a little disturbing to a young child
That part left me saying "Oh ****..."
What about BtRL? :p
Silent Threat Reborn, Blue Planet, PI are all probably at 'damn' and 'hell' level at most, so if you're okay with that...I could've sworn there's at least one expletive in BP...
Heh, how old is your brother anyway?
And to profanity ****ing you up at an early age, I heard most of them before I even started going to Primary School (though I don't think I picked them up at that stage), and put them into my used vocabulary at about 7/8 years of age. They're just words, people. :P
I see, I see. :)Heh, how old is your brother anyway?
Well his age probably isn't as important as his home environment, which, like mine, is our parents' house. Hence comes the guidelines that we both have to follow for the time being, one of which being a moratorium against uncivilized language. FreeSpace itself was one minor exception to this rule, since as someone pointed out earlier, even the retail campaign isn't completely obscenity-free. But in interest of not pushing things too far, I was hoping for some fan-made campaigns that were exempt from any language issues. I've been playing through PI, and so far so good. :)
Yeah, yeah, well, it's important you learn the words in question in the right context, I guess.And to profanity ****ing you up at an early age, I heard most of them before I even started going to Primary School (though I don't think I picked them up at that stage), and put them into my used vocabulary at about 7/8 years of age. They're just words, people. :P
While it's true that "they're just words", it's important to remember that words can be very, very powerful. After all, if you're not careful with them, they're exactly the thing that can get you monkeyed... :nervous:
Also, I think it's really swell that you're looking out for your sibling like this. :nod:Amen to that. :)
<Thaeris gives NeoKnight mad props. :yes: :yes: :yes:>
Yes, Windmills would be a good idea regarding language
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Scu'nthorpeProblem(HLP Forums are suffering from said problem, so copypaste the URL to adress bar and remove the apostrophe from it to see what I'm talking about)If you want to suggest that feature, the SCP board (a few boards down from this one, under community projects) would be the right address.
From a programming POV, it isn't all that hard, but it is just as easy to just open up missions in notepad++ and use its search/replace functions to do that manually.
It's also precisely why an automated censoring program will never work.
Either it's too easy to bypass (or won't catch everything), or it's so draconian that what gets spat out doesn't communicate anymore...
Again, this would be a feature you'd enable or disable on the Launcher. If you wouldn't want it on, you wouldn't turn it on. The reason this probably won't be implemented is that most people would never use it...
Frankly, I don't care to see it done, either. But I do understand NeoKnight's concerns - heck, I though StarCraft was pretty filthy in terms of language when I was younger... Once more, the author of the campaign should make a part to write a good story, and a good story doesn't need to be profane. And if it does use profanity, it should be tasteful.
Because I don't see his concerns as legitimate. And because I am evil and mean and want to do my part in helping our children learn the real language that is spoken out there. As the saying goes, if you're under 16 and haven't heard the work "****" before, you have now.
You see, my problem here is that I can't understand it. The underlying assumption, that some words are more harmful than others, and that hearing them will somehow make life worse for the listener/reader, is something I just can't wrap my head around.
Same goes for the desire to "open up" content for minors that wasn't intended for them in the first place (or that was created without special consideration for them).
If NeoKnight wants to clean up campaigns for the young ones, it's not our place to instruct him otherwise. I think we should just let that topic be.
For the moment, NeoKnight, it's probably not going to be considered a priority, but you can feel absolutely free to do so yourself.
You're pretty much on your own with this, though we can provide tech support in case anything went wrong.