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Title: The VBB
Post by: Blue Lion on April 09, 2002, 05:25:13 pm: http://vbb.volition-inc.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/017609.html

:(
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Post by: Nico on April 09, 2002, 05:27:08 pm: ah, bad news, I guess?
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Post by: vadar_1 on April 09, 2002, 05:29:43 pm: Pardon my ignorance, but I hope all the people at the vBB who sit there and flame all day (reference: idiots), won't come spilling over into hlp. I think now would be a good time to turn on that authorization before registering feature.
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Post by: Corsair on April 09, 2002, 05:30:43 pm: *rubs eyes*
No! Good news! the VBB is going down! :)
except that means VBB n00bs which is very bad....
*runs and hides from VBBers*
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Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on April 09, 2002, 05:42:32 pm: Our moderators...

All Hail Steak, Shrike, Thunder, Styxx, long list of names

are very good.
They'll kill of any unwarranted n00byness (read: idiocy) before it spreads.
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Post by: Darkage on April 09, 2002, 05:46:01 pm: Hmmm...actualy i'm not surprised, after they closed the SW forum i was almost sure the whole VBB would be closed. The VBB was just a flame pit nothing more..No interesting discusions, no friendly atmosphere only bad stuff wel you all know what i'm talking about. On the other side it's a pitty to see it go and on the other end it's good that it go's down.. Now we must hope the flames don't reach HLP.
Title: The VBB
Post by: Corsair on April 09, 2002, 05:49:14 pm: Did somebody say flames?

Our Admins: :)
VBBers (read: idiots): :mad:
What will happen if they flame over here: (http://members.cox.net/kancho3/Smilies_Misc/flaming.gif)

:D:D:D
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Post by: phreak on April 09, 2002, 05:51:07 pm: well it seems that THQ does not want to put up with the trolls anymore.
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Post by: Shrike on April 09, 2002, 05:52:58 pm: Feel free to post a goodby message. :D

click! (http://vbb.volition-inc.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/017610.html)
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Post by: karajorma on April 09, 2002, 05:55:51 pm: Since the VBB is closing is there any chance of getting a Fred2 board on this site?
I know that Fred questions can be posted on the modding board but I kinda liked it when they were kept seperate (Since there are Fredders who don`t mod and visa versa).

IIRC there wasn`t much call for a FRED board before cause of the one on the VBB but when that goes I think there will be.
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Post by: Shrike on April 09, 2002, 05:59:58 pm: Well...... to me it seems like the two go hand in hand. We might rename the modding forum to be modding and FREDing.
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Post by: vadar_1 on April 09, 2002, 06:27:01 pm: I thought modding was FREDing all the time. I mean if you read the tutorial and mess around a little bit, well lets just say FREDs not really that hard to learn and use...
Title: The VBB
Post by: TheVirtu on April 09, 2002, 06:43:42 pm: Na na na na..na na na na...hey hey hey...good bye VBB!

Battle stations, influx of n00bs are imminent!
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Post by: ZylonBane on April 09, 2002, 06:44:22 pm: Quote
Originally posted by vadar_1
I thought modding was FREDing all the time
It's NOT. They're completely different skill sets. Lumping modding and FREDding together in the same forum makes about as much sense as putting SquadWar and... ummm... anything else together.
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Post by: Shrike on April 09, 2002, 06:53:05 pm: Hmmm..... well, I'll talk to Setekh and we'll decide if we want to add a FRED forum or not.
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Post by: WMCoolmon on April 09, 2002, 06:57:24 pm: Go for it :nod:
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Post by: elorran on April 09, 2002, 07:25:01 pm: Not so surprised it happened. It was being spammed like for a good and not much useful stuff has gone across VBB in a while with the exception of the occation thread or post. It's darn shame though.
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Post by: Shrike on April 09, 2002, 07:40:39 pm: Ha, Warlock just got banned, they have no new registrations allowed and they have a 120 second flood control!

They're feeling the outrage I'd say.
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Post by: Warlock on April 09, 2002, 07:42:39 pm: LMAO!

I guess THQ didn't like me making their GAME SCH PUBLIC!

Brittney Spears Dancing for PC? WTF ? LMAO
Title: OT: Someone please shoot me
Post by: Anaz on April 09, 2002, 07:50:20 pm: ok...just read this...you'll see what I mean when you read it:

http://www.thq.com/About/ReleaseSchedule.asp

*sigh*
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Post by: Shrike on April 09, 2002, 07:52:14 pm: Threads merged. :nod:
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Post by: Corsair on April 09, 2002, 07:58:22 pm: Quote
Originally posted by TheVirtu
Na na na na..na na na na...hey hey hey...good bye VBB!

Battle stations, influx of n00bs are imminent!

Yes sir! Power up all antiflame shields and activate the SpaceCrack™ Missle Batteries! :D
This could be nuts...:snipe: :headz:
Title: The VBB
Post by: Kitsune on April 09, 2002, 08:02:30 pm: Personally I think :V: gave up on FS awhile back. This is just their way of trying to shut us up. Of course they can't do anything about HLP or other non-official sites.

Or at least it's not worth their efforts to go after 'fan sites'.

But I would keep an eye on the member count and not be surprised when it starts jumping dramatically.
Title: The VBB
Post by: Galemp on April 09, 2002, 08:06:13 pm: VBB closed and FSers coming here= :)
Influx of trolls and demise of THQ = :(

That release schedule is.. is... :eek: I wish EA would buy Volition. THEY have good stuff. I mean, look at what Maxis has done with The Sims. FIVE expansion packs, and the game is still going for $50! The moral is, find something good and stick with it.

Idea for moderation: probation period! Maybe a week after you register, you can't post, only lurk. Maybe give them an idea of what the environment is like before they get the opportunity to spam.
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Post by: Kamikaze on April 09, 2002, 08:07:21 pm: perhaps we should make an RF forum for the more mature RF community members :)
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Post by: Shrike on April 09, 2002, 08:11:57 pm: Quote
Originally posted by GalacticEmperor
Idea for moderation: probation period! Maybe a week after you register, you can't post, only lurk. Maybe give them an idea of what the environment is like before they get the opportunity to spam.
No way in hell am I, as an admin, going to condone a waiting period. When I go to a forum I expect to be able to post right away, and having to wait a week is counterproductive towards gaining new members. So no.

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Originally posted by Kamikaze
perhaps we should make an RF forum for the more mature RF community members :)
We thought about it, but GS didn't like the idea, because we'd be directly competing with the Red Faction site here. You can talk about it unofficially all you want though....
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Post by: Corsair on April 09, 2002, 08:12:36 pm: Quote
Originally posted by GalacticEmperor
Idea for moderation: probation period! Maybe a week after you register, you can't post, only lurk. Maybe give them an idea of what the environment is like before they get the opportunity to spam.
This man's talking sense! That's a good idea...:nod:
Title: The VBB
Post by: Warlock on April 09, 2002, 08:36:51 pm: Yea it's a great idea....IF you don't want ANY new ppl here.

"Hi welcome to Walmart....sorry you can't buy anything for a week...please feel free to look and plan out what to buy even though by the time you can it'll be out of style."

Common sense ppl.
Title: The VBB
Post by: Warlock on April 09, 2002, 08:42:23 pm: Now gone from 120 second flood control...to 10 minute...to 15 minute...........

http://vbb.volition-inc.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/017618.html

LMAO

THQ's caught their head in the door and they just keep on slamming and slamming that door shut
Title: The VBB
Post by: Warlock on April 09, 2002, 08:45:47 pm: Anyone else notice so MUCH admining going on at the VBB AFTERWORK hours? lol

Yet when it was a valid request...oh hell no :P

Ok sorry I'll stop ranting if it's buggin the admin here :D
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Post by: heretic on April 09, 2002, 09:19:35 pm: best thing to do is take screenshots of everything, all the empty posts for support, I took one of the flood control. everything.
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Post by: Kamikaze on April 09, 2002, 09:52:46 pm: This is so sad, stupid, hopeless that it's not even funny, even I can't find the humor to laugh... :(

I hope that V continues makin' good games, but I believe their story has now been cut, ripped and burned out of the book. And to think I have THQ stocks... :sigh:

Well anyway, I'll go into mourning (perfect, because I wear almost all black anyway) and later maybe design a shrine to the VBB - on the net. (this'll be my latest project)

Later.
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Post by: Kamikaze on April 09, 2002, 09:53:52 pm: Oh, guys, can you send me your screenshots of the VBBs plight to my e-mail: [email protected]
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Post by: CP5670 on April 09, 2002, 09:58:41 pm: Well, as I said over at the VBB, "I was expecting this at some point given THQ's track record; with this latest move, they definitely rank among the worst game publishers I have ever seen."

:p

HLP still stands as the "shining beacon of light" for the Freespace games and community though; FS2 shall live on at a new location. ;)

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I guess THQ didn't like me making their GAME SCH PUBLIC!

Brittney Spears Dancing for PC? WTF ? LMAO

That's THQ for you. :p:D

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Yea it's a great idea....IF you don't want ANY new ppl here.

"Hi welcome to Walmart....sorry you can't buy anything for a week...please feel free to look and plan out what to buy even though by the time you can it'll be out of style."

Common sense ppl.

Exactly; this type of thing would make no sense. :p

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Well anyway, I'll go into mourning (perfect, because I wear almost all black anyway) and later maybe design a shrine to the VBB - on the net. (this'll be my latest project)

I see a render coming up... ;)
Title: The VBB
Post by: Warlock on April 09, 2002, 10:10:16 pm: yea combine the Cappella Nova with a VBB screenshot :P
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Post by: Warlock on April 09, 2002, 10:25:19 pm: How much of THIS is a lie?

http://www.thq.com/About/PressReleases/press-412.asp

I'm guessing 90% as far as lines like :
"THQ has consistently demonstrated a commitment to quality entertainment and growth,” stated David Bollesen, general manager, Cranky Pants Games.
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Post by: CP5670 on April 09, 2002, 10:26:58 pm: Outrage is falling to this stupid company as well? now that really stinks... :(
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Post by: Kamikaze on April 09, 2002, 10:33:26 pm: Quote
Originally posted by CP5670
Outrage is falling to this stupid company as well? now that really stinks... :(

*&*(%&^(**&^&(*^(*&'

*Calm down Kamikaze... Breathe in... and out*
Title: The VBB
Post by: Warlock on April 09, 2002, 10:36:51 pm: Yup

The age of the Space Sim is gone....THQ will dawn the age of Hotwheels and Brittney Spears PC games!
:wtf: :eek2:
ACK!

Hey THQ! :snipe:

:headz:

:mad2:
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Post by: Anaz on April 09, 2002, 10:51:16 pm: Looks like its up to the fans...

hey!!! I've got an idea!!! Why don't we hold :V: up at gunpoint, and take the source from them!! Then, post it here or on a webpage before you go to jail!!!!

The anti-video game activists would have a field day, but it would be worth it...
Title: The VBB
Post by: WMCoolmon on April 09, 2002, 11:01:58 pm: PLUG! PLUG! PLUG! POST THE LINK, PILOTS!
(*cough* HLP *cough*)
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Post by: Dr.Zer0 on April 09, 2002, 11:32:22 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Warlock
Yup

The age of the Space Sim is gone....THQ will dawn the age of Hotwheels and Brittney Spears PC games!
:wtf: :eek2:
ACK!

Hey THQ! :snipe:

:headz:

:mad2:

that is too true :nervous: :shaking:
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Post by: WMCoolmon on April 09, 2002, 11:34:30 pm: The boards...they're slowing down! :confused:
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Post by: CP5670 on April 09, 2002, 11:36:13 pm: I noticed the same thing; is it dying a slow death or something? :(
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Post by: WMCoolmon on April 09, 2002, 11:37:07 pm: THQ's website is also slow...*hopes this isn't some stunt by disgruntled members*
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Post by: Kamikaze on April 09, 2002, 11:40:31 pm: Quote
Originally posted by WMCoolmon
THQ's website is also slow...*hopes this isn't some stunt by disgruntled members*

:( I'm hoping the VBB members aren't that stupid...
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Post by: WMCoolmon on April 09, 2002, 11:46:52 pm: Just check out some of the 'Announcement' threads...some of them ARE!:mad:
I can see it now...Setekh gets up in the morning, has a little breakfast, turns on his computer for some posting on the HLPBB...then finds this. What a way to start the day... :(
Title: The VBB
Post by: CP5670 on April 09, 2002, 11:48:20 pm: I can see where they are coming from though; these guys have screwed us over pretty badly with the lack of support, and since the forum is going to be closed anyway, people are just venting their anger. ;)
Title: The VBB
Post by: Shrike on April 09, 2002, 11:51:06 pm: How long as it been since someone sporting the [V] logo made an appearance on the VBB?
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Post by: Kamikaze on April 09, 2002, 11:51:25 pm: I can understand their feelings - to a certain extent. I feel like venting myself... :nod:

BTW: the VBB forums are WAYYyyyyyyy too slow :confused::wtf:
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Post by: Kamikaze on April 09, 2002, 11:53:01 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Shrike
How long as it been since someone sporting the [V] logo made an appearance on the VBB?

last date - 3/04
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Post by: CP5670 on April 09, 2002, 11:53:37 pm: Quote
How long as it been since someone sporting the [V] logo made an appearance on the VBB?

Todd Miller did make a small posting recently, but aside from that it has been well over a year.

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BTW: the VBB forums are WAYYyyyyyyy too slow :confused::wtf:

I know what you mean; I feel like I am on a 56k again... :p
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Post by: Vertigo1 on April 09, 2002, 11:54:36 pm: Welp, just made my final post there.

I also noticed the time limit is up to 1400! :eek:

Guess I better finish that model I've been working on to keep the massive influx of newbies in line. :p
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Post by: WMCoolmon on April 09, 2002, 11:54:39 pm: Not very long, actually...Just 6 days ago, remember? By Todd Miller himself... :(
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,6561.0.html
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Post by: Shrike on April 09, 2002, 11:55:00 pm: Oh yes, and note how the notice about shutting down the VOLITION bulletin board came from a THQ employee? [V] barely exists any more.
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Post by: Shrike on April 09, 2002, 11:56:28 pm: Quote
Originally posted by WMCoolmon
Not very long, actually...Just 6 days ago, remember? By Todd Miller himself... :(
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,6561.0.html
Alright, so I missed that thread here. :p But other than that....
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Post by: Kamikaze on April 09, 2002, 11:57:08 pm: Quote
Originally posted by WMCoolmon
Not very long, actually...Just 6 days ago, remember? By Todd Miller himself... :(
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,6561.0.html

... Oops forgot to search the Volition forum :o The last freespace post... :nod:
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Post by: WMCoolmon on April 09, 2002, 11:57:29 pm: 1400? I only see 400 :confused:
Yeah, it is pretty odd...THQ buys Volition, Squad war forums get shut down...then the VBB. :doubt:
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Post by: Kamikaze on April 09, 2002, 11:58:29 pm: I bet they'll dismantle :v: next, like Sierra did with Dynamix or EA did to Origin. (?)
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Post by: CP5670 on April 09, 2002, 11:59:00 pm: Quote
Oh yes, and note how the notice about shutting down the VOLITION bulletin board came from a THQ employee? [V] barely exists any more.

I have noticed that too. I guess it kind of makes sense; THQ owns Volition now, and they get to make any major decisions; V has no voice in that. :p I'm not sure whether our misfortunes are due to THQ, Volition, or both; who knows what the real situation over there is and who is actually calling the shots...
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Post by: Bobboau on April 09, 2002, 11:59:28 pm: :mad:

will someone pease give me a link to instructions for hacking a site, also links to nasty, disgusting and illigal sites\services would be welcome
Title: The VBB
Post by: CP5670 on April 10, 2002, 12:00:23 am: LOL, you going to post a bunch of w-word links over there or something? I know all the major ones... :D

I share your anger and disgust for these guys though.
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Post by: Kamikaze on April 10, 2002, 12:02:50 am: Quote
Originally posted by Bobboau
:mad:

will someone pease give me a link to instructions for hacking a site, also links to nasty, disgusting and illigal sites\services would be welcome

You could sign up all THQ e-mail addresses for... something :nod: (evil thing to do)
Or you could steal the rights to all of their games - that'd be good for all of gaming....
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Post by: Dr.Zer0 on April 10, 2002, 12:06:12 am: I could see it now, THQ taking over :v: :mad2:
I never liked THQ as much as :v:, olny :v: made the better products, not THQ :mad: :mad2:
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Post by: Vertigo1 on April 10, 2002, 12:10:51 am: Quote
Originally posted by WMCoolmon
1400? I only see 400 :confused:
Yeah, it is pretty odd...THQ buys Volition, Squad war forums get shut down...then the VBB. :doubt:

click here (http://vertigo1-2.freeyellow.com/VBB.jpg)
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Post by: Vertigo1 on April 10, 2002, 12:13:51 am: Quote
Originally posted by Bobboau
:mad:

will someone pease give me a link to instructions for hacking a site, also links to nasty, disgusting and illigal sites\services would be welcome

:rolleyes: Yeah, thats the ticket. You'll only get locked up in jail and never be able to use any computer for the rest of your life.

Come on dude, don't be doing stupid crap like this. This could also reflect very badly on this place so please think before you act.
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Post by: Bobboau on April 10, 2002, 12:17:54 am: I was half kidding
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Post by: Vertigo1 on April 10, 2002, 12:22:38 am: Didn't look like it to me, but I'll take your word for it.
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Post by: CP5670 on April 10, 2002, 12:27:56 am: Quote
You'll only get locked up in jail and never be able to use any computer for the rest of your life.

Well, that's not likely... :D

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click here

What in the world is the matter with these guys; why do they keep increasing it? :p
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Post by: Vertigo1 on April 10, 2002, 12:31:43 am: Prolly cuz of those trolls in the RF forum.
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Post by: Fineus on April 10, 2002, 02:02:33 am: They are shutting them down - I guess theres no point in wasting server space and bandwidth just so people can post how upset they are.... It's kinda sad how people are conducting themselves over there. Oh well - fairwell VBB!
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Post by: Shrike on April 10, 2002, 02:10:14 am: What goes around comes around.

If you have ****ty-ass customer service, people are gonna nail you on it if they have the chance.
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Post by: Fineus on April 10, 2002, 02:15:44 am: True, but I've only had experience with FS really and that's not been down to V or THQ, it's down to the fools who like flaming for flamings sake...
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Post by: Shrike on April 10, 2002, 02:21:16 am: Squad War and all the locked matches? Plus, [V] hasn't had a presence worth noting on their forums for ages. What does WW do all day.... he's the freaking webmaster, he should be able to make five posts a bloody day, enough to let us know [V] actually cares about their fans any more.
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Post by: Kamikaze on April 10, 2002, 02:23:50 am: Quote
Originally posted by Shrike
Squad War and all the locked matches? Plus, [V] hasn't had a presence worth noting on their forums for ages. What does WW do all day.... he's the freaking webmaster, he should be able to make five posts a bloody day, enough to let us know [V] actually cares about their fans any more.

I'm assuming it's not Vs fault... it's probably the ****-awful THQ Be-nice-to-your-customers division...

(I'm sure if WW was allowed to handle the forums he would... I mean, what else would he do? By the way, where did Nathan go?)
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Post by: Shrike on April 10, 2002, 02:30:59 am: Dude, their support sucked before the merger/aquisition. Ask Warlock.

And it's the Volition BB. Not the THQ BB. If they have to give over everything to THQ, then [V] has truly become nothing more than a THQ cog.
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Post by: Fineus on April 10, 2002, 02:36:22 am: Gotta admit - Shrike has a point about WW, website maintenance (as a dedicated job) shouldn't require 9 to 5 work, and checking the forums takes all of 20 minutes perhaps twice a day if you want to make a thorough job of it? Ah well... nevermind.
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Post by: Razor on April 10, 2002, 02:51:25 am: This can't be happening!! NOOO!!! :(

By the way, it seems that I got banned from VBB a few days ago cause when I wanted to post something, it said that I was banned and that I couldn't post or register from my IP adress (at home).

Great! :mad: So if I get banned here, where am I gonna go next?
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Post by: Fineus on April 10, 2002, 03:16:23 am: Simple - don't get banned here - it's fairly hard to anyway, you have to really muck up :nod:
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Post by: CP5670 on April 10, 2002, 03:43:24 am: Quote
Dude, their support sucked before the merger/aquisition. Ask Warlock.

This is quite true. Either THQ completely and explicitly controls what Volition can and cannot do, which is very unlikely, or the problem lies within Volition itself. As Warlock said on the VBB, the reason they went into the console market was that games there do not need to be supported in any way after release; they want to just "shove a game out there and forget about it." Based on what I have seen, I have a feeling that both THQ and Volition have these problems.

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What goes around comes around.

If you have ****ty-ass customer service, people are gonna nail you on it if they have the chance.

Exactly, I can quite understand why people over there have gone wild. I'm pretty furious myself, but I see nothing to be gained in venting it out there. There is not much to be lost either, though; banning doesn't mean much when the board is going to be closed in a few days. As for the Squadwar people fighting, most multiplayer communities are much, much worse than that; the reason they do not collapse is because of active moderation, both in the leagues themselves and the forums, which the SW community completely lacked.
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Post by: Warlock on April 10, 2002, 04:26:31 am: 1: Sw was getting the shaft the hard way without any vasiline for over a year before the THQ purchase of :v:

2: Todd, and SEVERAL other "admin" were said to have been hired to be dedicated for web delvelopment.

3: Todd and Nathan both took turns posting to tell us they would restart supportting SW, that was as far as it went...telling us and NEVER doing.

4: They've stated resetting a league takes TWO hours tops, we know clearing a locked match is MUCH less time than this, they just delete it. We LONG ago gave up on requesting a judgment and having the match forfeited to a victor. Now we can't even get them just cleared.

5: We didn't ask for the world, just common support.

6: All the time's they COULD have at least posted info or been a board Admin, notice last night ALL the chances, banning me, slowly cranking up the flood control, deleting posts (yes I count at LEAST 5 posts not threads posts , were deleted,...ALL of this 4 hours AFTER the work day at :v:

I for one will NEVER own another :v: opr THQ product. I'll do what I can to inform others as to the shotty support, Hell even Summoner and RF got nothing RIGHT off the bat.

"Here have one patch and STFU"

This is NOT how you run a PC software company. Someone pointed out the Sims about this. That game is NOT all that, yet they kept making expansions,...FIVE now,..Full game is STILL $50, each add on STILL $30. Why ? Before the game is boring they tos out new add on packs. The site supports the game, they release a few freebie add ons here and there to keep ppl interested.

Anyhow I contacted Computer gaming World last night about all this...could be interesting if they post an article especially after all the years of TRYING to get support and NOTHING .

As for the ppl that folks think are now flaming to flame on the VBB. More like this was a last straw. You can't screw with ppl too much before they slam your head into the mud. I know alot of you single player only ppl will never truely understand, for you the game was fine after the patch. For SW and general onlione ppl, it's been buggy and in need of ALOT since day 1 thou :(

Well off to work...laters
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Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on April 10, 2002, 04:32:50 am: I'm heading to the armoury to get some kick-ass weapons (that shotgun under the seat is wimpy :p) in case those Flaming Newbies (he, sounds like a certain drink from a certain Simpsons-episode) arrive :D
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Post by: Gortef on April 10, 2002, 04:58:14 am: I must say I noticed too that at one point, all turned upside down at the VBB :doubt:

I registered there because it seemed like fun, and I needed some help with my campaign :p
Then at one point people started arguing much more than usual and a swarm of trolls appeared. At first it was fun to read (in some occasions), but it simply got out of hand :(

Lack of support from :v and THQ might have been one reason, I suppose...

Anyway, sad to see her go... final words posted... *bows*

*silence*
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Post by: Darkage on April 10, 2002, 05:04:53 am: Now now, the world isn't doomed but it is indeed a pitty it is closeing....But maby it's time for me to get my firts BANN ever:p nah, i'll try to keep my posting history clean:D
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Post by: Redfang on April 10, 2002, 06:10:47 am: So it has happened. It wouldn't be too sad, but FRED forum was good. And, now, not so many people find HLP at all. I'm not going to get me banned, just posting some links to HLP. ;) About time I joined to HLP, and this is already better than the VBB. But, THQ is... :headz: :snipe:

Edit: Indeed, VBB is slow now. At least it has more new posts and topic than usually. Except lots of them are about that closing.

Edit: :doh: that flood control. Can't post almost anything. 400 seconds.
Title: The VBB
Post by: Styxx on April 10, 2002, 07:50:26 am: As good a game as Freespace is, Volition no longer deserves any respect as a gaming house. They simply sold themselves, and gave up on the possibility of making real money for a small, simple, more secure path. If you don't get it, that's what cowards usually do, and that's how I see Volition's managers right now. They'll spiral to the bottom - it already started, their games for the PS2 didn't get close to the popularity they've expected, and they neglected the only market where they were sure to make a top of the line product. Call that a chain of stupid decisions or what?

Anyway, I hope they're reading this. I guess I'll even post it on the VBB before it's definately gone, just to see what happens.
Title: The VBB
Post by: wEvil on April 10, 2002, 07:57:20 am: Apparently volition was always the frostier side of Parallax, compared to..er...the other guys.

I dont know the corporate history anyway so..

But you're right abotu concentrating on daft games....but its syptomatic of the general social trends at the moment. Out with sci-fi and anything relatively interesting and in with sports games or weird puzzle thingies and soap operas :(

But thats' just the way the managers want it run, its all cyclic. Sooner or later the people with the cash will realise they arent making money anymore because there's no origionality and their games suck (Sci-fi IS origional, i dont care what anyone says)

It will make a comeback in a couple of years, I bet, depending on how many promising companies have to go under due to managerial short-sightedness.

I hate managers, I hate accountants and I hate money. Rip the system.
Title: The VBB
Post by: ZylonBane on April 10, 2002, 11:32:14 am: I wish one of the V guys would quit or something, so they could get out from under the Order of Silence THQ has apparently imposed. It's bloody weird not hearing from either of the Daves for so long. Heck, I'd almost pay money just to find out what happened to the once-promising Red Faction.
Title: The VBB
Post by: Stunaep on April 10, 2002, 12:17:15 pm: Quote
Originally posted by GalacticEmperor

THEY have good stuff. I mean, look at what Maxis has done with The Sims. FIVE expansion packs, and the game is still going for $50! The moral is, find something good and stick with it.

.

SIMS:headz: SIMS:headz: SIMS:headz: SIMS:headz:

Now, that I`ve calmed down, I`ll just say that closing down the VBB was, well, the best thing to do, but tjis still makes me feel sad,cuz now, there`s one community less in the Freespace world... and thats bad:(
Title: The VBB
Post by: Stunaep on April 10, 2002, 12:20:06 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Warlock
Yup

The age of the Space Sim is gone....THQ will dawn the age of Hotwheels and Brittney Spears PC games!
:wtf: :eek2:
ACK!

Hey THQ! :snipe:

:headz:

:mad2:

throwing computer out of the window
Title: The VBB
Post by: Razor on April 10, 2002, 12:57:12 pm: Yes it is one less! Setekh, if you are reading this, if you close HLP one day..... :drevil:

You better don't!

Well as you guys here say: HLP, THE LAST BEST HOPE FOR FREESPACE
Title: The VBB
Post by: CP5670 on April 10, 2002, 01:05:18 pm: Quote

I for one will NEVER own another opr THQ product. I'll do what I can to inform others as to the shotty support, Hell even Summoner and RF got nothing RIGHT off the bat.

"Here have one patch and STFU"

This is NOT how you run a PC software company. Someone pointed out the Sims about this. That game is NOT all that, yet they kept making expansions,...FIVE now,..Full game is STILL $50, each add on STILL $30. Why ? Before the game is boring they tos out new add on packs. The site supports the game, they release a few freebie add ons here and there to keep ppl interested.

You summed up my thoughts perfectly there. Volition's FS1 support was actually quite good, but ever since the release of FS2's first (and only) patch, everything went downhill. Maybe there was change in their internal structure or something, but whatever the case, the product support beecame worse than any other corporation I have seen out there. A bad developer (or rather, a good developer but a bad supporter) is now teamed up with a bad publisher, making the situation even worse. As it stands now, I am of course not going to buy anything from them either (although "Britney Spears Dance" or whatever isn't exactly worth buying anyway :p); I really have no respect left for either company anymore, nor do they deserve it. As you said, the created a legacy, but they destroyed that legacy. Although it doesn't say anywhere in the official license agreement that they have to support it, when just about every company does a better job than this, "the bar gets raised," as the saying goes.

It would be really good if one of the popular magazines or websites posts an article about this as an example of what can happen to an exceptional game with such poor support. ;)
Title: The VBB
Post by: Redfang on April 10, 2002, 01:13:03 pm: I just hope that HLP will not have serious impact when VBB goes down. And I hope HLP will not be shut down, either. That would be too bad... :headz: :snipe:
Title: The VBB
Post by: CP5670 on April 10, 2002, 01:19:06 pm: I think HLP will be up for some time, as it is run by fans of the game rather than the company, and they do their work because they like the game(s) rather than to get money. ;)
Title: The VBB
Post by: an0n on April 10, 2002, 01:20:28 pm: Quote
Originally posted by CP5670
I think HLP will be up for some time, as it is run by fans of the game rather than the company, and they do their work because they like the game(s) rather than to get money. ;)

No, they do it so that they can feel superior and special.

........errr.........:D.
Title: The VBB
Post by: CP5670 on April 10, 2002, 01:40:20 pm: Quote
No, they do it so that they can feel superior and special.

Well, that too. :D Who doesn't like to have big forum "avatars" to feel like kings? :D
Title: The VBB
Post by: TheVirtu on April 10, 2002, 02:31:45 pm: *sits in his Herc II and watches the Sathanas fleet jump to the Volition Inc System*

Two days left! Man this would make a funny movie.
Title: The VBB
Post by: an0n on April 10, 2002, 02:36:58 pm: NOOOOOOO!!!! Someone torp'd the Cain!
Title: The VBB
Post by: Redfang on April 10, 2002, 02:50:50 pm: Quote
Originally posted by CP5670
I think HLP will be up for some time, as it is run by fans of the game rather than the company, and they do their work because they like the game(s) rather than to get money. ;)

:nod: Good. :nod:

Quote
Originally posted by TheVirtu
*sits in his Herc II and watches the Sathanas fleet jump to the Volition Inc System*

Two days left! Man this would make a funny movie.

:lol: :headz:
Title: The VBB
Post by: Dr.Zer0 on April 10, 2002, 03:13:49 pm: Quote
Originally posted by TheVirtu
*sits in his Herc II and watches the Sathanas fleet jump to the Volition Inc System*

Two days left! Man this would make a funny movie.

Indeed...
Title: The VBB
Post by: Styxx on April 10, 2002, 03:21:46 pm: Quote
Originally posted by ZylonBane
Heck, I'd almost pay money just to find out what happened to the once-promising Red Faction.

Same thoughts here. They must have some sort of freaky NDA going on there... Anyway, the king's dead, long live the King!! Lets see how many of the homeless from the VBB will come this way...
Title: The VBB
Post by: an0n on April 10, 2002, 03:24:46 pm: *goes to restock the shot-gun shells, lock the Drugs-Women-And-Beer room, open the air-vents and turn on the Anti-Troll cannons*
Title: The VBB
Post by: Kamikaze on April 10, 2002, 04:19:52 pm: Quote
Originally posted by CP5670
I think HLP will be up for some time, as it is run by fans of the game rather than the company, and they do their work because they like the game(s) rather than to get money. ;)

I'll never let it go down, even if I have to host it myself! :D
Title: The VBB
Post by: Warlock on April 10, 2002, 05:02:31 pm: Quote
Originally posted by CP5670

Well, that too. :D Who doesn't like to have big forum "avatars" to feel like kings? :D

I don't have a forum avatar and I've always felt like a king :D

Now mind you I was SUPPOSED to be hosted here ....but the wonderful world of lost data in emails has helped to prolong it :D

(Set bro...I know you're working on it lol Not *****ing just joking ;7 )
Title: My first post ever on these forums... yep, I'm a VBB refugee...
Post by: FSW on April 10, 2002, 05:37:05 pm: Well, there are people complaning that VBBers flame all the time and then there are people worried about newbies. Hmm...

Anyway, I'm not sure that [V] exists any more.
Title: The VBB
Post by: Vertigo1 on April 10, 2002, 06:22:08 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Razor
Yes it is one less! Setekh, if you are reading this, if you close HLP one day..... :drevil:

You better don't!

Well as you guys here say: HLP, THE LAST BEST HOPE FOR FREESPACE

:eek:

Someone remembered my old VBB siggy! :D
Title: The VBB
Post by: Vertigo1 on April 10, 2002, 06:25:10 pm: Quote
Originally posted by TheVirtu
*sits in his Herc II and watches the Sathanas fleet jump to the Volition Inc System*

Two days left! Man this would make a funny movie.

Hmm....that would make a funny render tho. ;)

*runs off to open 3dsmax*

:drevil:
Title: Re: My first post ever on these forums... yep, I'm a VBB refugee...
Post by: Styxx on April 10, 2002, 06:26:01 pm: Quote
Originally posted by FSW
Anyway, I'm not sure that [V] exists any more.

It's just a myth, from times long forgotten...
Title: The VBB
Post by: TheVirtu on April 10, 2002, 07:20:52 pm: "And they came, they came for our lives, not our planets and their resources. We retreated to our company's home sector, ensuring ourselves that we would be safe at home, but they came. They came for us, the Volition, the regen of our cause is about to parish"
Title: The VBB
Post by: Corsair on April 10, 2002, 07:26:35 pm: Quote
Originally posted by TheVirtu on ICQ:
The newbies came and we retreated to our home planets, sure to be safe from the mindnumbing comments.
But they still came.
And they came, they came for our lives, not our planets and their resources. We retreated to our company's home sector, ensuring ourselves that we would be safe at home, but they came. They came for us, the Volition, the regen of our cause is about to parish.

:lol:

:devilidea Render idea!
Title: The VBB
Post by: Anaz on April 10, 2002, 07:51:47 pm: hmmm....a resurge in volitionism?
Title: The VBB
Post by: Mr. Vega on April 10, 2002, 09:09:37 pm: Great. Now I'll have nightmares of HLP closing.
Title: The VBB
Post by: Anaz on April 10, 2002, 09:15:19 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Mr. Vega
Great. Now I'll have nightmares of HLP closing.

:jaw:

DO NOT SPEAK SUCH BLASPHEMY!!!
Title: The VBB
Post by: TheVirtu on April 10, 2002, 09:17:12 pm: I can't sleep now! What would we do without HLP? :sigh:
Title: The VBB
Post by: Corsair on April 10, 2002, 09:18:06 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Analazon

:jaw:

DO NOT SPEAK SUCH BLASPHEMY!!!

NEVER! TREASON! KILL HIM! GIVE HIM TO THE VASUDANS AND MAKE A STEAK OUT OF HIM! :headz:
Title: The VBB
Post by: Mr. Vega on April 10, 2002, 09:23:06 pm: Will you lay off the spacecrack!

And I mean that!
Title: The VBB
Post by: WMCoolmon on April 10, 2002, 09:32:50 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Mr. Vega
Great. Now I'll have nightmares of HLP closing.

*FWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMM!*
Ah, nothing like a little, hrm, "Naval" bombardment. :D
Title: The VBB
Post by: Mr. Vega on April 10, 2002, 09:33:54 pm: Which is worse blasphemy or spam?

You have chosen spam.
Title: The VBB
Post by: WMCoolmon on April 10, 2002, 11:26:26 pm: *FWOOOOOOM* NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooo!
"He chose...poorly."
Title: The VBB
Post by: Shrike on April 11, 2002, 04:46:16 am: Quote
Originally posted by Analazon
hmmm....a resurge in volitionism?
Nah. Volition is dead. Long life Hard Light!
Title: The VBB
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on April 11, 2002, 04:55:17 am: and there was much rejoicing throughout the kingdom at the coronation of this just king.
Title: FSW...
Post by: Redfang on April 11, 2002, 07:28:50 am: Good that you did come this way. ;)
[glow=green]WELCOME TO THE HLPBB![/glow][/b]

Quote
Originally posted by Corsair
MAKE A STEAK OUT OF HIM! :headz:

:lol: :lol:

:headz:
Title: The VBB
Post by: Styxx on April 11, 2002, 08:02:14 am: Quote
Originally posted by Shrike
Nah. Volition is dead. Long life Hard Light!

Hoorray! :D
Title: The VBB
Post by: Setekh on April 12, 2002, 05:42:43 am: There's just too much to say to this thread. Can anyone count the number of times my name's been mentioned on this thread? :D

It's good to be back, dudes. I was at camp for a couple o' days... now I got two weeks of holidays. ;)
Title: The VBB
Post by: Styxx on April 12, 2002, 08:20:00 am: Quote
Originally posted by Setekh
Can anyone count the number of times my name's been mentioned on this thread? :D

Nah, I don't think anyone will bother. :D
Title: The VBB
Post by: CP5670 on April 12, 2002, 08:37:15 am: Everyone likes The Steak™. :D
Title: The VBB
Post by: Styxx on April 12, 2002, 08:55:30 am: Quote
Originally posted by CP5670
Everyone likes The Steak™. :D

But is that a good or a bad thing? :D:ha:
Title: The VBB
Post by: Setekh on April 13, 2002, 07:10:10 am: Quote
Originally posted by CP5670
Everyone likes The Steak™. :D

Heh, that's kind of like a cross between Steak and The Array™. :D
Title: The VBB
Post by: Stunaep on April 13, 2002, 08:38:15 am: Quote
Originally posted by Mr. Vega
Great. Now I'll have nightmares of HLP closing.

Man, already I spend an 1 hour per day in HLP.

Life without HLP = :( :( :(

I mean, what would I do with all this FREE TIME
Title: The VBB
Post by: Fineus on April 13, 2002, 08:44:17 am: Quote
Originally posted by Stunaep
Life without HLP = :( :( :(

Ok that's it, Setekh - Shrike... the rest of the staff, we need to cut down on quality here, soon people will sue when they go on holiday and don't get access to the site!
Title: The VBB
Post by: Stunaep on April 13, 2002, 08:59:05 am: Quote
Originally posted by Thunder

Ok that's it, Setekh - Shrike... the rest of the staff, we need to cut down on quality here, soon people will sue when they go on holiday and don't get access to the site!

You don´t have to tell me that, I had to be 5 days without HLP and there you have, I´m sick, pissed, breaking stuff, and a lot more smarter than 5 days ago.
Title: The VBB
Post by: Setekh on April 14, 2002, 02:46:54 am: Quote
Originally posted by Stunaep
You don´t have to tell me that, I had to be 5 days without HLP and there you have, I´m sick, pissed, breaking stuff, and a lot more smarter than 5 days ago.

:lol: :lol:

Thunder... I think we could handle that. You know, if we really tried, we just might be able to make this place a little crappier. :D