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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: ZylonBane on April 10, 2002, 01:07:40 am
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Sometimes you stumble across a pic you just have to share. So who wants to take a crack at modelling this thing? :D
(http://www.trekmush.org/images/goth.jpg)
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Mmmm, you know AFAIK they never actually produced stats for that thing? I was gonna send in a pic of a model done like that with stats and have it printed by Fanatic.
*cough* Anyhow, that's the remiscing of my BFG days aside...
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BTW, is there a levelshot tag equivalent here? I realize the pic is a bit on the huge size...
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That looks very detailed but incongruous; a strange mixture of medieval and futuristic parts. :p:D
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That's 40k Imperial technology in a nutshell......
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Originally posted by ZylonBane
BTW, is there a levelshot tag equivalent here? I realize the pic is a bit on the huge size...
There is no LVLSHOT at the moment, but the tables resize dynamically so it doesn't mess the rest of the thread up if theres one wide image in there...
Oh - and nice ship!
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I personally don't like this style of ship, because they look very inclined to fall apart and randomly spurt out steam, in space :rolleyes:
Anyways if anyone models that, I'll want to see it :)
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Originally posted by CP5670
That looks very detailed but incongruous; a strange mixture of medieval and futuristic parts. :p:D
Looks god-awful ugly, IMO. And not in a good way.
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Such a design is taking Orcs and Humans too far. Nobody in his right mind would design this.
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Looks like modeling Nightmare.
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well.... a friend of mine it doing that model...
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It looks strange.. :doubt:
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For my part, I just love this design. At least, it's not another SW kind of design, the only thing that could come close to this kind of design is the event horizon, maybe. Anyway, I think this kind of designs are brilliant :ha:
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I have an open mind for space ship designs, afterall I do love anime :lol:
that's why IMO, that looks good... or even better, how would I say... majestic :nod:
but, I agree in one point with other members.... it would be a modeling nightmare :shaking:
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meuh non, there's miniatures of it, if you can do it in real, there's no pb doing it as a model. actually, the thing isn't that complex. the pb would be to keep a low polycount. ( of course, i'm not talking about doing all the little statues etc :p )
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well if one is going to model something, one should model the WHOLE thing :p
that would be the nightmare (the statues and all)
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You... actually, I mean, liked that thing? Ugh... :p
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It looks TERRIBLE (as in the design)
bleurgh.
To model...wouldnt be so hard. A load of instanced shapes, mostly, with a taj mahal as the bridge :p
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Heh, it indeed would be quite hard job to model. Some polygons would be needed, and if you'd texture it... ;)
You lie, Styxx!
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I'd say the big one has about...1...2...3...4...5...5000000 polys
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Originally posted by wEvil
with a taj mahal as the bridge :p
Hehe, true. :D
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you could do this with 500,000.
to be honest any decent model about 250,000 polies is excessive though.
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Originally posted by wEvil
you could do this with 500,000.
to be honest any decent model about 250,000 polies is excessive though.
No way ya can do it with 500000. Look at all those tiny sculls and spikes...
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Originally posted by Styxx
You... actually, I mean, liked that thing? Ugh... :p
nah: I love that thing :p
edit: oh, and dare telling me this doesn't look good :p :
http://www.exile-films.com/media/fleet_720_sorenson.mov
http://www.exile-films.com/media/KroozerX_720.mov
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Bump maps or displacement maps would do fine.
If you were working on an extreme closup you'd model only a part of the model and make sure the camera doesnt see the bits you haven't done.
Either way, you could do it with a few intelligent tricks.
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Originally posted by venom2506
nah: I love that thing :p
But... It's an inverted ship with an arabic city on top, and lots of gargoyles around it! :D
And I couldn't check the movies, didn't work. Which codec are they in?
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Originally posted by Styxx
But... It's an inverted ship with an arabic city on top, and lots of gargoyles around it! :D
And I couldn't check the movies, didn't work. Which codec are they in?
and so what? I think it looks cool.
movies are quicktime movie, sorenson codec
a frame of the first movie:
(http://www.exile-films.com/media/thumb/Fleet_Thumb.jpg)
the movie res itself is higher ( 720*306 )
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Looks god-awful ugly, IMO. And not in a good way.
I looked at it again more carefully, and I must agree with that. The thing just makes no sense; as wEvil said, it look like they used a Taj Mahal for the bridge. :p The whole design looks like they took bits from the ancient Persian or Indian castles and used those to make a starship; very, very inconsistent and incongruous. :p
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You must not be very familiar with pre-industrial age (Victorian era) mechnical design then. Superfluous decorations used to be the rule, not the exception.
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Yes, it used to be like that. However, that is not the case anymore; the trend is actually heading in exactly the opposite direction. (consumer products are designed to look nice, but warships are only about functionality)
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A M1A1 could take out a Lemon Russ. Those ships are designed to show the glory of the Emperor of Man. The people who build these ships dont really understand them, as technological advancement is seen as a evil, because they dont want to be ruled by it.
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As much as it will offend him, everytime I see wEvil's Polaris, I think of ships like this one. Grand, ornate, extremely detailed. It doesn't matter if its practical or not, if its sane or not. It just plain looks cool.
Whilst I was looking around Starship Modeller today (HUGE Stardestroyer!) I found this, from the same universe. Its an Eldar battle ship. Venom might like it.
:D
http://www.starshipmodeler.com/contest/scratch_26.htm
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Personally, I like the smaller cruiser thingies. Look like something an excessively rich empire might make, but still looks fairly lethal and high-tech. The big one DOES look like crap, though it's so overdecorated that modeling it might actually be easier than doing a less flamboyant ship (Who's really gonna notice if you use the same crappy lathe object 50 times if there are 100 more almost indistinguishable from it packed very close together?)
I'd give a time estimate of two days solid, but I'll be damned if I have that kind of time to waste.
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Originally posted by mikhael
http://www.starshipmodeler.com/contest/scratch_26.htm
That thing has... sails? :wtf:
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Originally posted by Styxx
That thing has... sails? :wtf:
Solar sails or something. Eldar very advanced.
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Originally posted by CP5670
Yes, it used to be like that. However, that is not the case anymore; the trend is actually heading in exactly the opposite direction. (consumer products are designed to look nice, but warships are only about functionality)
The trend? I'm not criticizing you, but obviously you don't know what you're talking about. Warhammer 40000, as the name says, happens in the 41th century... after what they call the technological middle-age ( lame translation from french, no idea how it's really called in english), full of great inventions, leading humanity to the pinacle of technology. After that, many things happened, and all that knowledge is now lost. You have to understand that the Imperium barely makes up anything, they do searches throughout the whole galaxy to try to find back blueprints from ancient times. This task is done by zealous religious fanatics, and the whole technological stuff is much more a religious concern than a engineerwhatever one. To make it clear, what they built is a patchwork of ancient techs put together by fanatics who worship their emperor to such highs they will turn everything into incons to his glory, from capships to lasers. You want high tech stuff in the 40K universe? Try the Tau ( oh, the fact that there's a faction called Tau in my campaign is a pure and unfortunate coincidence, OTT was began before the tau were anounced :p ), they have techs based on both current techs and japanese mecha designs ).
Oh, Mikhael, this void stalker, lol, it looks much better than the actual figurine for battlefleet gothic :D
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Originally posted by Zeronet
Solar sails or something. Eldar very advanced.
Ah. So I suppose that ship is hundreds if not thousands of kilometers long, for solar sails in that proportion to be of any effect... :p :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by venom2506
You want high tech stuff in the 40K universe? Try the Tau ( oh, the fact that there's a faction called Tau in my campaign is a pure and unfortunate coincidence, OTT was began before the tau were anounced :p ), they have techs based on both current techs and japanese mecha designs ).
Oh, Mikhael, this void stalker, lol, it looks much better than the actual figurine for battlefleet gothic :D
Funny how both have Railcannons :p
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Originally posted by Zeronet
Funny how both have Railcannons :p
I said the name doesn't come from there. the railguns do, tho. It fitted with the fluff for my Tau, so why not? railguns are cool :D
Styxx: from what I recall, the Eldars don't use solar sails, not anymore at least. This model is based on a very old concept pic actually ( I'd say 15 years old :p ) so...
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Originally posted by Styxx
Ah. So I suppose that ship is hundreds if not thousands of kilometers long, for solar sails in that proportion to be of any effect... :p :rolleyes:
As the modeller pointed out the 'sails' are too small to be used in the way we normally thing of solar sails. Of course he also said, and I quote:
ELVES IN SPACE
So you know, take it for what its worth, yeah?
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Originally posted by mikhael
So you know, take it for what its worth, yeah?
Okay, okay... geez. Now my ears hurt.
Amazing what people will do to defend their opinions, eh? :D
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That ship sure is fugly sir.
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Hmmm... deja vu--
(http://www.colossalgames.com/scstore/graphics/gwwarp1.gif)
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Originally posted by Styxx
Okay, okay... geez. Now my ears hurt.
Amazing what people will do to defend their opinions, eh? :D
Just trying to keep some perspective. ;)
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Yes.... look at the Warpstorm cover, if you can find a bigger shot. The ship looks much better, much more like a warship that has the victorian design ethos than that...... thing. Same overall design (shape ship really) but much more practical looking.... and better art too (IMO)
It's all dependent on the artist. Maybe I'll scan my Warpstorm cover, you'll see.
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Is that where the Warpstorm BB got its name, or just a coincidence?
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It's not in your head. ;)
Addendum: I'm not sure if the name was chosen after the release of the Warpstorm book, but the name was chosen by Heretic because it was originally going to be a 40k universe support site.
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Originally posted by ZylonBane
Is that where the Warpstorm BB got its name, or just a coincidence?
:nod:
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Originally posted by Shrike
Addendum: I'm not sure if the name was chosen after the release of the Warpstorm book, but the name was chosen by Heretic because it was originally going to be a 40k universe support site.
I remember those days... Warpstorm was just a flash movie with a cool music on the background. And now I lost the dmn music... again. Damn winblows - I can never backupo everything.
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Originally posted by heretic
:nod:
lol, you didn't say which you were nodding to, and now I have an explination as to why your title is 'the emperor's finest'
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Originally posted by Styxx
I remember those days... Warpstorm was just a flash movie with a cool music on the background. And now I lost the dmn music... again. Damn winblows - I can never backupo everything.
get on ICQ, I still have it uploaded :D
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Originally posted by Styxx
I remember those days... Warpstorm was just a flash movie with a cool music on the background.
Ditto. heretic13, he was registered as on the VBB. Oh, there it is again...
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I´m gonna say my opinion now, so better stay out of the way:
WHAT A STUPID SHIP
The bridge looks like taj mahal as mentioned before, the rest looks like an ancient galley, just about 30-40 times larger. The only reason I´d like to see it modelled... is because.
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Originally posted by Stunaep
I´m gonna say my opinion now, so better stay out of the way:
WHAT A STUPID SHIP
The bridge looks like taj mahal as mentioned before, the rest looks like an ancient galley, just about 30-40 times larger. The only reason I´d like to see it modelled... is because.
funny, I'm holding the actual model in my hand, it it looks incredible.
one has to understand the 40k universe, the ships were basically giant spacefaring chapels.
the chaos ships look a lot better too, and the eldar resemble minbari cruisers.
I'd take a Gothic class vessel over any ST or SW ship any day, jsut for how cool it looks.
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Originally posted by Stunaep
I´m gonna say my opinion now, so better stay out of the way:
WHAT A STUPID SHIP
The bridge looks like taj mahal as mentioned before, the rest looks like an ancient galley, just about 30-40 times larger. The only reason I´d like to see it modelled... is because.
:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
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Originally posted by Stunaep
I´m gonna say my opinion now, so better stay out of the way:
WHAT A STUPID SHIP
The bridge looks like taj mahal as mentioned before, the rest looks like an ancient galley, just about 30-40 times larger. The only reason I´d like to see it modelled... is because.
Pssst, he's just drunk. ;7
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Gaa.
I'd take the Havok or a Trajan over any of 'em.
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Originally posted by Ten of Twelve
Pssst, he's just drunk. ;7
That said by 10o´12 who was hugging the toilet
back in 2001.
I´m sick, tired, behind a stupid PC with a stupid keuboard I can´t type with, and a Windows 98 operating system. So don´t mind, if I´m a little pissed.
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Originally posted by Stunaep
I´m sick, tired, behind a stupid PC with a stupid keuboard I can´t type with, and a Windows 98 operating system. So don´t mind, if I´m a little pissed.
:lol:
1. You have a stupid keyboard in your computer too
2. Your PC's os is win 98 too
:lol:
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Originally posted by Ten of Twelve
:lol:
1. You have a stupid keyboard in your computer too
2. Your PC's os is win 98 too
:lol:
Just for a note to admins, this is not a flame war, this is a friendly conversation that should probably be held over ICQ or PM, but I don´t have ICQ here, and Ten refuses to reply to private messages (hint-hint ), so
1. I´m used with the stupid keyboard at my computer, which is why i hate the non-stupid keuboards.
2. I know... I know...:sigh: :(
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Originally posted by Stunaep
Just for a note to admins, this is not a flame war, this is a friendly conversation that should probably be held over ICQ or PM, but I don´t have ICQ here, and Ten refuses to reply to private messages (hint-hint ), so
1. I´m used with the stupid keyboard at my computer, which is why i hate the non-stupid keuboards.
2. I know... I know...:sigh: :(
I can't send ya any messages when the inbox is full. (TOLA) :D
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Tola????
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To everyone: ignore it. In-joke
To 10o´12: WHY YOU LITTLE...
BTW, try now.
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As long as it doesn't become spam ;)
Originally posted by heretic
one has to understand the 40k universe, the ships were basically giant spacefaring chapels.
This really is the key to the whole arguement about that ship. If your considering it to be something out of Star Wars or something then yes, it sucks big donkey balls. But it's not, it's from 40K and the whole Universe - Space Marines at least are very closely bonded to their chapters. The religion, philopsiphy and ambience of each species, race, chapter all plays a huge part in the design of the ships.
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Unless the technology and brain capacity reached such a level where they could handle it so easily you would sculpt a spaceship much the way you would sculpt a peice of stone into an art form, the Ships' shape and design will always cosely match its' function.
Of course the higher tech it gets the smoother and less visible the tecnology becomes.
But the 40k universe from what little I know about it seems a little..messed up.
Either way..i'll get my oar out of this and back into NW where it belongs. Going to have some :headz: flying later today :D
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Originally posted by wEvil
Unless the technology and brain capacity reached such a level where they could handle it so easily you would sculpt a spaceship much the way you would sculpt a peice of stone into an art form, the Ships' shape and design will always cosely match its' function.
Of course the higher tech it gets the smoother and less visible the tecnology becomes.
But the 40k universe from what little I know about it seems a little..messed up.
Either way..i'll get my oar out of this and back into NW where it belongs. Going to have some :headz: flying later today :D
They have some advanced tech, but they dont really understand it. Tau on the otherhand are different and their ships are smooth etc.
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The ships are millions of years old. most of the time they find them abondoned for thousands of years, and just try their best to use it.
The captain is wired in completely to the ship, unable to move. the navigators are psychics who die very frequently. there are so many things to BfG.
to understand the universe, read here:
http://40kfiles.gq.nu/__keep/time/timelineindex.htm
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I've given up actually playing GW games, what with having no time, money or friends who know what the hell it's all about. Therefore, I'll gladly support this project. I write 40k fiction occasionally - it's pretty awful, but I just love the universe and the ancient human tech. The background stuff in the Spacemarine Codex books is fantastic, and the way the Imperium hasn't actually invented much new tech in ten thousand years. Love it.
Hooray Titan Legions!
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Well the reason they dont is twofold.
1/ If they did, GW would have to bring out new stuff all the time
2/ Imperials dislike the technological advancement during the golden ages, as humanity was ruled by it.
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Originally posted by heretic
The captain is wired in completely to the ship, unable to move. the navigators are psychics who die very frequently. there are so many things to BfG.
:jaw:
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Originally posted by Setekh
:jaw:
travelling in warp is kindda dangerous, navigators are often eatten alive by warp creatures.
for the captain being linked to the ship... well, mankind in 40K is really a kind of cyborg species... they all have cybernetic implants at a level or another, looks cool, but can be kindda digusting too ( the echlesiastic orders are among the weirdest ones, with tubes and cables in place of the eyes or ears, hypodermic syringes in the arms, etc).