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Hosted Projects - Standalone => Diaspora => Topic started by: Colonol Dekker on January 12, 2010, 02:13:28 pm
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As Karajorma knows i've only ever seen one episode. I own a humble digital tuner :) the hw2 mod is the only knowledge I have of the ships aside from the viper and the big G. The aries was smaller than said G but it had stealth.
Regardless, your screens from years back blow it out of the water. I'm now an eager expectant follower. :)
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As Karajorma knows i've only ever seen one episode.
:blah: ...And I thought I was the only one here who was waaaaaay behind on this show.
*lostllama is somewhat consoled by this discovery*
Looks very, very nice so far. :cool:
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Pssh I've only seen the first part of the Miniseries. :P
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Uhhh...:nervous: I've only seen about 5 mins of the first episode.
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I'd wager that's about how much time I put into the Miniseries as well.
Anyway Raptor's fine and all, but I want to see more fighter screens. :D
Edit: I also remember watching about five minutes of the original BSG as well.
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Dekker, lostllama, and Zane, I declare all of you Excommunicate Traitoris for the crime of manifest disbelief, an offense for which there is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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But...butbutbutbutbut....I do have the limited edition DVD box set - recently got it as a post-Xmas gift...I just haven't had time to watch it yet (got an exam coming up). I am intending to watch them before Diaspora (and BtRL, if it ever manifests) is released.
Please don't shun me just yet...
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I see there's a "who has seen less bsg" contest going on. Fine, I'll bite - I have never seen an episode of Battlestar Galactica in my life. Beat that!
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Aw blast, Newman beat me before I even got started.
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i saw reruns of the original set but non of the new stuff
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Completely different shows. The new one is one of the best TV shows of the last...well, sixty years or so.
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I don't get it. I thought nBSG being reimagined meant it was still BSG. :wtf:
They both have the 12 colonies, there's Cylons (Different origin between the two series), same characters (Ones a girl now), Vipers, Raiders, Battlestars, Basestars (Listed ships having lasers on one series and ballistics on the other), the plot is centered on an exodus fleet, how are they different?
It's the old series with a facelift.
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No, it's not. It's not at all.
You'll know it when you see it.
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It's the old series with a facelift.
It's really not. Watch it and see. If you have and still think that then the point is moot since no amount of me explaining it is likely to have an effect.
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Yeah. It's like comparing...I dunno, World War I and World War II, because they both have Germans, Russians, British, French, and Americans, tanks, soldiers, and infantry.
Except the difference is even more so.
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The original was more economical and used the same shot in every episode.
But they both had robot dogs. . . Ooooooh I insulted blonde cylon babe. Ima gonna get shot.
Original robo-dog had more character anyway. :p
Have you guys improved the jump effect btw? :)
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Yeah. It's like comparing...I dunno, World War I and World War II, because they both have Germans, Russians, British, French, and Americans, tanks, soldiers, and infantry.
Except the difference is even more so.
:wtf:
Whatever, I'm not even going to bother.
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Just watch the show. It's fantastic. Makes most of the rest of televised SF look a little adolescent.
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What exactly is the point of coming to a forum that's obviously visited by BSG fans, making definitive statements about a show you've obviously never seen, then when people try to explain a few things about it, you simply state that you don't care?
No offense but if that's not trolling then I don't know what is.
Uh, belive it or not there's significant differences between what was used in World War I and World War II, not to mention the fact that there was an additional nation involved as well as major breakthroughs in technolical science, which is what I was referring to in my last post.
No offense but you fail at assuming what people talk about when they directly quote another post, when General Battuta mentioned the wars comparison I was no longer talking about BSG.
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That's exactly my point.
World War I and II weren't the same, in spite of sharing a bunch of superficially common elements. Nor are the two shows, except the difference between the shows is even bigger.
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Lol differential respective fail.
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nvm, teh silly
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It's the old series with a facelift.
It's really not. Watch it and see. If you have and still think that then the point is moot since no amount of me explaining it is likely to have an effect.
Wait, what? I thought you said you hadn't seen any BSG at all...
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Ploy to appear blasphemous among the show's fans. :P
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This needs to avoid a GD twist.
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I think it's time we get this thread cleaned up. Why does this always happen....
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Aries is non-canon, we have our own designs for the fleet based around combined-arms concepts.
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I watched a lot of it because it was the only sci-fi show around for a good while, but in retrospect I didn't like it much. The characters grated on me, the concepts and themes were annoying, and the show seemed to expect me to approve of its simplistic criticism of the human race.
The Terminator show appealed to me a lot more even if it was canceled, and at the very least the showrunners had an idea of where they were going to go with most of its plot threads. BSG, like most modern thrillers, was really "make it up as you go along". This isn't bad, (not every show can be Babylon 5,) but they really wrote themselves into a corner because of their use of Cylon arrival as dramatic device near the end.
The Cylons were also used rather unimaginatively, for a robot species. I suppose you could argue that it wouldn't be "real human drama" if the Cylons had motivations which humans couldn't relate to, but I don't see the point of making Cylons robots and then amping up the drama of human relationship to their creations when their creations turn out to be adolescent idiots with adolescent motivations. I suspect that this is the reason the writers made the Cylons that were as well; look at how the Centurions were swept under the rug near the end of the show. Nobody cares about the toasters who look like toasters instead of hot women!
Oh, well, I expect too much.
Art style was pretty boss though. Which is why I'm looking forward to this mod.
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Most of the Cylons ended up being awesome actors, though.
S3 and S4 weren't that great, but S1 and S2 are probably the best televised SF we've ever had (and some of the greatest television of any genre ever.) Critical consensus is very favorable.
If there's one thing Galactica never was, it was simplistic. Rarely a one-sided lesson or morality play to it.
BSG was naturalistic SF; wherever possible it tried to be like real life. Part of the genius of the Cylons was that they were effectively indistinguishable from humans on every level, not just the physical one, challenging our notions of what it meant to be human and what it meant to be an object.
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Bird Farm In Space FTW.
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No, the Cylons were human. Completely human. That was the problem. They could even interbreed and provide viable offspring for crying out loud. That's why they were uninteresting.
Anyway, written sci-fi has been doing this sort of "what is human" thing for years. Most shows like this are basically televised versions of what have come before. Even Star Trek was... er... I don't know, derived is probably the best word... derived off existing written sci-fi, and many major sci-fi authors wrote episodes for it. Which is why it was a classic. Galactica isn't the first to raise the question, and it's not the best story of its kind out there.
Galactica completely ignored the "what is human" theme later in favor of a "don't persecute" theme. It tried to make it interesting by going "don't persecute your creations"... but... they're just people who can stick wires and stuff into their bodies and upload their personalities into clone bodies, so it comes off as more of "cycle of revenge" story, which while relevant, isn't exactly high concept stuff. It seems cowardly (but expected to be palatable for a television audience) to make the Cylons completely like humans near the end and present that as the only right option. Why couldn't the humans have become more Cylon like? Could the Cylons only become acceptable by being absorbed into humanity by becoming more human? Does assimilation only have to go one way? I wouldn't mind how the show had concluded if they had even raised these questions. Instead they ignored it in favor of characters, which isn't really bad, but it's not what I like.
(They don't even keep the cloning bit, they just decide to go with what God wants and start breeding like normal people. Way to go Cy-humans.)
Cavil was totally right in that case, hell he even had an awesome rant where he tells somebody that "dude, why did you make me suck so much when you could have given me senses that could see into the ultraviolet", a question which could have been interesting if they handled it correctly, but no, he had to be malicious and evil and completely unrelatable.
What does "naturalistic" even mean anyway? I think you mean the first two seasons. The last two went completely overboard with the mystical elements, even making it part of the technology they used.
This is why I like The Sarah Connor Chronicles so much. The show has a fair amount of flaws, but at least it tried to handle the problems in integrating AIs and humans instead of sweeping it under the rug.
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later
near the end a
how the show had concluded
I think you mean the first two seasons
Reread my last post, plzkthnx.
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This is why I like The Sarah Connor Chronicles so much. The show has a fair amount of flaws, but at least it tried to handle the problems in integrating AIs and humans instead of sweeping it under the rug.
First season of SCC was ok but in my opinion nowhere near the quality level of bsg. Second season? I continually had a feeling that the writers have no idea where to go next. Kept waiting for it to start and then it ended. Wasn't surprised at all when it got canceled. But that's me.. some shows you either like or you don't. Personally, I'm with Batutta - I consider the first two seasons of BSG as some of the best sci fi ever filmed. Season 3 had some awesome and some really horrible bits, and overall I found s4 quite good. Nothing beats the mini though - it remains being the best of BSG for me.
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<--------- BSG freak. Enough said, really. Watched it all twice (two and a half times, to be more precise) and loved almost every minute of it. It's a beautiful thing, the show, and it only gets more beautiful with time and adoration you put into it.
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Gotta agree with Gen B and newman. Just recently re watched the first 2 seasons. Only reason i haven't watched season 3 again is i cant bloody find it (tho that may be a blessing in disguise as was pretty poor compared to the earlier seasons) Was just going to skip to season 4 but didn't feel right. plus i wanted to watch the beast's last stand :(
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Completely different shows. The new one is one of the best TV shows of the last...well, sixty years or so.
You hear this every year about this show or that. Most are a disappointment, but in this case, it was actually true. Almost every episode had a cliffhanger, making it hard to 'put down'. Tha acting was far superior to the original, the 're-imagined' story was 'way better. Not to mention the eye candy! Can't really fault the original show on the ancient technology; baby cgi for TV back then. I liked the projectile weapons on the ships better than the lasers.
The show attracted people from outside the genre, as it was a great drama set is space, as opposed to a great space show, imho.
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I see there's a "who has seen less bsg" contest going on. Fine, I'll bite - I have never seen an episode of Battlestar Galactica in my life. Beat that!
What's Battlestar Galactica?
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You hear this every year about this show or that. Most are a disappointment, but in this case, it was actually true. Almost every episode had a cliffhanger, making it hard to 'put down'. Tha acting was far superior to the original, the 're-imagined' story was 'way better. Not to mention the eye candy! Can't really fault the original show on the ancient technology; baby cgi for TV back then. I liked the projectile weapons on the ships better than the lasers.
Babylon 5 had "baby cgi" BSG '78 was all model work.
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I read through the bsg wikipedia- someone here posted a link to a cylon colony or something.
I hit random page and it took me to the 'Earth' page. I read it and got pretty much spoilered to death lol.
But at least now i'm vaguely inclined to buy some dvds.
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To those who havnt seen it I just have to say this spoiler.
BSG takes place a long time ago in a solar system far far away!
And to previous posts that said cylons were human.They definitely wernt.They were made basically like how the Terminators(from the terminator movies obviously) made their synethic skin but went another step forword and made synthetic organs as well.There actually more like the robots from bladerunner in that regard.
For those who also like Terminator heres an awesome terminator/BSG music vid that should make you want to watch bsg even more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vxQl7977BE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vxQl7977BE)
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And to previous posts that said cylons were human.They definitely wernt.They were made basically like how the Terminators(from the terminator movies obviously) made their synethic skin but went another step forword and made synthetic organs as well.There actually more like the robots from bladerunner in that regard.
Stupid to ask this, but have you actually seen the show? Especially the part where the Ones are pissed at the final five for NOT HAVING DONE THAT, but opting to give the Cylons bodies that are basically human?
Speaking of Terminator heres an awesome terminator/BSG music vid that should make you want to watch bsg even more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vxQl7977BE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vxQl7977BE)
I'll just step in here and say that that was crap. There's a reason why Brad Fiedel and Bear McCreary have such good reputations, it's because their music is so awesome that no substitute will suffice.
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Actually I have seen it all.I dont think you have!
Just because they had human looking bodies doesnt mean they were human.Baltar was able to make the Cylon detector because it could tell the difference between synthetic cylons and real humans.
Six had that glowing spine thing and Anders had that red eye moment which means they were cybernetic and not all biological.
I do agree that the music itself on the video wasnt as good as bears (who also did tscc by the way).Thats not why I like the video.Its because I consider Terminator to be an unofficial sequel to BSG.
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That they were partially artificial is without question. But for all we know from the show, they are almost indistinguishable from humans unless subjected to a complicated test procedure. Unlike the Terminators, for example. Oh, an Terminator being an unofficial sequel to BSG? You should turn that around. The Terminator mythos is older than nBSG.
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BSG is older than Terminator if you include TOS!
I should have said BSG is like an unofficial prequel to Terminator.
All of this has happened before...And will Happen Again
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But then, the old BSG and the new BSG have almost nothing in common. In the old series, the Cylons were remnants of an alien race.
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facepalm
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I can be differentiated from "normal" humans if I have a steel plate in my head. That doesn't make me not human.
They can interbreed with humans, and hell, provide viable offspring. That fits the biological definition of human right there. Cylons were just human clones with some extra thingummies attached.
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We don't actually know that, since the series (thankfully) did not delve into technobabble on that front.
The biological species definition is probably not a great way of determining whether two things are actually the same species.
Anyway, you say 'just' like it was a bad thing, but if you want to examine the human condition, you need humans.
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Cant we just say they were cyborgs?
Anyway they were human the same way Frankenstein's monster was "Human".As shown in razor they were put together in a similar way.
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Spoilers below, not using spoiler tags since it's been a while since the mentioned episodes were shown so anyone interested had ample time to watch them..
Cant we just say they were cyborgs?
Anyway they were human the same way Frankenstein's monster was "Human".As shown in razor they were put together in a similar way.
Razor hasn't suggested anything of the sort. What we saw in Razor were Centurion's unsuccessful experiments that turned into a butcher's shop. That's what Adama saw that last day of the war after ejecting from his Viper over Tauron. After the final 5's arrival and their offer of advanced biological technology to the cylons in return for ending the war, producing the 7 new models, those unsuccessful experiments became obsolete. A small faction of the Cylons split from the main force and continued their experiments. They were called "the Guardians" and are referred to by the humanoid Cylons as an "evolutionary dead end".
In short, caprica 6 or boomer weren't pieces of meat assembled together on a table, but rather a result of a very complex and advanced process of genetic engineering.
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Its also possible that they were made from millions of tiny nanobots that mimicked human cells so perfectly that human cells were tricked into mistaking Cylon cells(nanobots) for human cells thus allowing cylons and humans to breed.
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Advanced biotech, one way or the other. There's a reason the show didn't go into this technobabble and I'm glad for it. The point is, the 12 cylon models weren't "frankensteined" together as you suggested.
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Actually I have seen it all.I dont think you have!
Just because they had human looking bodies doesnt mean they were human.Baltar was able to make the Cylon detector because it could tell the difference between synthetic cylons and real humans.
Six had that glowing spine thing and Anders had that red eye moment which means they were cybernetic and not all biological.
I do agree that the music itself on the video wasnt as good as bears (who also did tscc by the way).Thats not why I like the video.Its because I consider Terminator to be an unofficial sequel to BSG.
Everyone knows that Terminator is Earth in oBSG, whereas future Earth in nuBSG is Star Trek: The Next Generation ;) Afterall, Kirk in one of his time-travel shenanigans was documenting the RTF.
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I've only ever seen bits and pieces of the show and miniseries... the parts people saw fit to upload on youtube due to them being awesome. Oh, and I watched one of the itty-bitty webisodes.
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Ace old BSG being Terminator would not make sense.Because in the orginal BSG the Cylons were built by an extinct alien race and not by humans.And WTF are you talking about kirk?
The Star Trek 2009 movie sucked.
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They can interbreed with humans, and hell, provide viable offspring. That fits the biological definition of human right there. Cylons were just human clones with some extra thingummies attached.
No, it doesn't. Horses and donkeys can interbreed and produce viable offspring (yes, there are fertile mules). It's rare, but it happens. More often than with Cylons and humans, anyway. There was exactly one example of a human/cylon hybrid, despite probably thousands of attempt at all of the Farms.
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That doesn't prove cylons and humans are different, that just proves that horses and donkeys are the same :p