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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The Modding Workshop => Topic started by: headdie on February 05, 2010, 06:37:39 am

Title: Custom Tables
Post by: headdie on February 05, 2010, 06:37:39 am
I was wondering what everyone's thoughts are on a thread here or a wiki page listing fan made table and script files.  for example I knew Fury had created a custom AI setup but I didn't know he had created a glide table for the FS2 until I had a go at it and he pointed out that he had one and where it was.

benefits would be.

1) Prevent duplication of work already done
2) Make it easier to find tables that do what people want as is or with modification of the values in the table
Title: Re: Custom Tables
Post by: Fury on February 05, 2010, 06:57:28 am
Problems with your suggestion:
- Values in tables are almost never universally agreed upon, everyone have their own opinion what something should be. Especially when said tables alter FS2 gameplay.
- Such tables are subject to changes, all the time.
- What happens when ten different people have modified the table, should all of them be wikied?
Title: Re: Custom Tables
Post by: headdie on February 05, 2010, 08:32:20 am
Problems with your suggestion:
- Values in tables are almost never universally agreed upon, everyone have their own opinion what something should be. Especially when said tables alter FS2 gameplay.
- Such tables are subject to changes, all the time.
- What happens when ten different people have modified the table, should all of them be wikied?

you raise good points but I think any one interested in these will probably know enough to open the files in notepad and edit the values.  What I am looking at is reducing the trial and error involved setting up the setting up the features in tables and table modules, especially if someone has already done it.  Going back to the glide example yours has features relating to the feature that mine missed because of my limited understanding of glide so not only was there a duplication of your work but it was inferior and i think this could avoid things like it happening again and make useful resources easy to find.  To avoid ppl posting simple tweeks of the files posting access would probably have to be limited but i don't imagine that being a big issue.

What I am imagining listed is a set of base files proven to work for others to download and tweaked as necessary the files listed only being changed to incorporate new features relevant to that function probably maintained by the files creator.  Any queries about changes would be fired to the creator or curent keeper of the file.
Title: Re: Custom Tables
Post by: The E on February 05, 2010, 08:37:14 am
No, I am against this, for much the same reasons Fury listed above. A certain amount of trial and error is normal when tabling, and it all comes down to people not having read the documentation. The wiki has a modding portal for a reason, people. Also? That last post of yours? Needs to be cleaned up in terms of language. It's very hard to understand.
Title: Re: Custom Tables
Post by: chief1983 on February 05, 2010, 10:09:25 am
Still, the wiki pages often have a serious lack of information on how to implement the options, and many would benefit from multiple examples showing various usages.  Really that's what needs to be expanded upon.
Title: Re: Custom Tables
Post by: Sushi on February 05, 2010, 12:21:00 pm
The wiki is the wrong place for this. Just release them as mods on fsmods or something like that.
Title: Re: Custom Tables
Post by: chief1983 on February 05, 2010, 12:45:47 pm
Release what as mods?  Random copies of tables, with no explanations?  The wiki is where the tables themselves are explained, especially SCP-only features.  The examples and descriptions belong in that documentation, unless someone is going to comment their tables in a released mod, I don't see how that really helps.  And The_E and Fury have already iterated why just putting whole tables up somewhere isn't the best idea.
Title: Re: Custom Tables
Post by: Nuke on February 06, 2010, 12:11:22 am
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=64606.0