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Title: lulz politics 'n' stuff
Post by: JMN on February 13, 2010, 09:13:19 am
Fighter pilots make headlines.

Bomber pilots make history.
Especially in Dresden, Warsaw or Hiroshima :)
Title: Re: lulz politics 'n' stuff
Post by: Aardwolf on February 13, 2010, 05:28:51 pm
Ares rocks, because it can mount 2x Maxim and 4x Kayser. So you can shred fighters, and unlike in the Erinyes you can sustain Maxim-fire indefinitely by shunting all power to weapons.

Also, why does nobody remember Nagasaki, yet everyone knows Hiroshima?
Title: Re: lulz politics 'n' stuff
Post by: SpardaSon21 on February 13, 2010, 05:30:03 pm
Because Hiroshima happened first.
Title: Re: lulz politics 'n' stuff
Post by: Thaeris on February 13, 2010, 05:31:17 pm
I know of both.

And for that matter, why does no one remember "Bock's Car," but everyone knows of the "Enola Gay"?

To their defense, knowledge of these things are rather dark, though...
Title: Re: lulz politics 'n' stuff
Post by: Herra Tohtori on February 13, 2010, 06:13:40 pm
Also, why does nobody remember Nagasaki, yet everyone knows Hiroshima?

I remember them both... :nervous:

I also remember the firebombings of Tokyo and to lesser degree Dresden. :drevil:
Title: Re: lulz politics 'n' stuff
Post by: High Max on February 13, 2010, 06:22:53 pm
You can't remember because you weren't alive when it happened. You just remember learning about it :p
Title: Re: lulz politics 'n' stuff
Post by: Herra Tohtori on February 13, 2010, 07:12:16 pm
My memory transcends time and space.

If only it would do so on command rather than more or less randomly...
Title: Re: lulz politics 'n' stuff
Post by: Dilmah G on February 13, 2010, 07:28:56 pm
Also, why does nobody remember Nagasaki, yet everyone knows Hiroshima?
Who doesn't know about Nagasaki?
Title: Re: lulz politics 'n' stuff
Post by: Scotty on February 13, 2010, 07:40:46 pm
People who don't know about the March 3-4 (might have the dates wrong by a week or two) firebombing of Tokyo that actually killed more people than both A-bombs combined.
Title: Re: lulz politics 'n' stuff
Post by: High Max on February 14, 2010, 12:46:02 am
My memory transcends time and space.

If only it would do so on command rather than more or less randomly...

Yes, we all could have been reincarnated multiple times and somehow you could remember while most of us can't. In your past life, maybe you were a victim of that horrible bombing, which was a terrorist attack on the grandest scale. Who knows?
Title: Re: lulz politics 'n' stuff
Post by: Scotty on February 14, 2010, 12:54:46 am
 :blah:

He was being humorous.

I'm interceptor/tactical.  I like speed, I like good weapons, and I like living on the razor's edge.  Any time there's a Valk, Perseus or Horus nearby, I'll take it.

Though I'm not an interceptor in multiplayer.  There it's heavy assault and space superiority.

Out of curiosity, which assault/space superiority fighter do you prefer?
Title: Re: lulz politics 'n' stuff
Post by: Dilmah G on February 14, 2010, 01:18:40 am
My memory transcends time and space.

If only it would do so on command rather than more or less randomly...

Yes, we all could have been reincarnated multiple times and somehow you could remember while most of us can't. In your past life, maybe you were a victim of that horrible bombing, which was a terrorist attack on the grandest scale. Who knows?
High Max, do you know what humour is?
Title: Re: lulz politics 'n' stuff
Post by: High Max on February 14, 2010, 08:03:36 am
:blah:

He was being humorous.


I know, but you still never know about the reincarnation bit. Maybe I was also being humorous to a certain extent. You all think you can read my mind and know what I am thinking or know whether or not I'm smiling behind my desk? :lol:
Title: Re: lulz politics 'n' stuff
Post by: Pred the Penguin on February 14, 2010, 09:10:04 am
You guys need to learn to express emotion over internet. XD
Title: Re: lulz politics 'n' stuff
Post by: Scotty on February 14, 2010, 12:21:44 pm
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Maybe I was also being humorous to a certain extent.
You guys need to learn to express emotion over internet.
Title: Re: lulz politics 'n' stuff
Post by: Dr. Pwnguin on February 14, 2010, 04:44:15 pm
People who don't know about the March 3-4 (might have the dates wrong by a week or two) firebombing of Tokyo that actually killed more people than both A-bombs combined.

Sure they do, the textbooks just rephrase it as the "Doolittle Raid".
Title: Re: lulz politics 'n' stuff
Post by: Scotty on February 14, 2010, 04:57:27 pm
Those are so different, it's not even funny.

The Doolittle Raid took place in April 1942 as a "just to show we can" raid and let the Japanese know we wouldn't just roll over.  It killed a grand total of 60 people on all sides, and wounded 400 more.

The firebombings of Tokyo took place on the night of March 9-10 (I was off by a week), and killed at least 83,000 people, and some figures go as high as 100,000.  Total casualties (not just fatalities) go as high as 500,000 people.  The total death toll of Hiroshima on the day of the bombing was 66,000.  The casualties for both Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined never climbed past 300,000.
Title: Re: lulz politics 'n' stuff
Post by: ChronoReverse on February 14, 2010, 07:11:53 pm
And if they had proceeded with the full scale invasion as originally intended, who knows what might have happened.

But let's go back to occupations.  I think I'd like to be Command as well.  He doesn't ever seem to be in the line of fire.
Title: Re: lulz politics 'n' stuff
Post by: Scotty on February 14, 2010, 10:54:47 pm
And if they had proceeded with the full scale invasion as originally intended, who knows what might have happened.

Projected 40,000 American dead, 500,000 total casualties.  Inclusive of both intial invasion and conquest of the Kyushu plain.  Japanese casualties would have approached the millions.

I did my term paper on this subject. ;)
Title: Re: lulz politics 'n' stuff
Post by: High Max on February 14, 2010, 11:11:08 pm
And if they had proceeded with the full scale invasion as originally intended, who knows what might have happened.

Projected 40,000 American dead

That's small potatoes compared to the number that the usa has killed in multiple wars, or even 1 small war that usa was involved in. Also, it's stupid that they call 911 a big attack when it was so small that it isn't even funny when compared to what the usa has done to Japan, VN, and to countries in the Middle East in the so called War on Terror when terrorism is as old as war itself. :rolleyes: usa had it easy but takes it for granted. Do most Americans even realize that none of these ideas are new? Do many watch the History Channel? Do many realize that 911 was small (only 2 buildings and 3000 dead)? 911 was nothing if you look at all the others stuff that has occurred. It's also extremely small potatoes compared to the Haiti disaster. Off topic, I know.
Title: Re: lulz politics 'n' stuff
Post by: Scotty on February 14, 2010, 11:18:23 pm
Forty thousand is more dead than in any war smaller than Korea.  Total U.S. dead from Vietnam was only 68,000.  That said, Japan started the whole damn thing with a surprise attack that left nearly 5,000 dead over the course of two days.  America was justified in dropping the atomic bombs.  I have research to back me up on this point.

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compared to what the usa has done to Japan, VN, and to countries in the Middle East in the so called War on Terror


I wasn't aware the U.S. had attacked Japan or Vietnam in the war on terror.  Truly breaking news there.

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It's also extremely small potatoes compared to the Haiti disaster.

The Haiti disaster wasn't engineered.  That makes a big difference (perhaps not big enough, but significant nonetheless)

EDIT:  Can we get a split?  (not going to make a new post for a request like that).
Title: Re: lulz politics 'n' stuff
Post by: Klaustrophobia on February 14, 2010, 11:25:32 pm
please take the america bashing (and defending) to offtopic.
Title: Re: lulz politics 'n' stuff
Post by: High Max on February 14, 2010, 11:37:15 pm
Forty thousand is more dead than in any war smaller than Korea.  Total U.S. dead from Vietnam was only 68,000.  That said, Japan started the whole damn thing with a surprise attack that left nearly 5,000 dead over the course of two days.  America was justified in dropping the atomic bombs.  I have research to back me up on this point.
That's nice. Sounds like a purely conservative point of view. :rolleyes: I'm moderate so I'm against the use of nukes, unlike nuke happy conservatives. Let's put you on the receiving end and see what your attitude is. Nukes are a form of terrorism too, so USA are not ones to talk, huh? Which side is good or bad in a war against America? Both sides are both good and bad maybe, or is bad an opinion, or are we just brought up to automatically think our side is always good? Is there are good and bad side to any war or is that all perception?

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compared to what the usa has done to Japan, VN, and to countries in the Middle East in the so called War on Terror


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I wasn't aware the U.S. had attacked Japan or Vietnam in the war on terror.  Truly breaking news there.

You know what I mean, so why try to be funny in a serious argument?

If you think about it, it almost seems like most of the loss of American life and destruction of American property is a result of internal problems if you add up all the homocides, serial killings, shootings, bad habits of many who live here, like tobacco use and bad diets, vandalism, fires and natural disasters here, and even the junk and chemicals they put in most of your food, many medicines, and water supply here. Many decades of that adding up probably caused more casualties here than if you added up the loss of usa life in both Pearl Harbor and 911 combined. But I guess no matter how we look at it all, it is all small potatoes compared to the number of people on Earth or even the number living in usa. Even a million is small: 1/7500th of the world's population. Of course I'm not saying it is good to bomb others even if it is small potatoes.


Edit: Sorry, Klaustro; I already posted that as you were saying to take it to offtopic. Also, I'm banned there, so I can't :p
Title: Re: lulz politics 'n' stuff
Post by: Droid803 on February 14, 2010, 11:40:56 pm
Get your history and politics out of GenFS, please  :hopping:
Really out of place.

It's got to be heavy assault/light bomber. Do it all!
Title: Re: lulz politics 'n' stuff
Post by: High Max on February 14, 2010, 11:46:23 pm
I agree with you, but I did not start the mentioning of bombings and offtopicness in this thread. I would rather not talk about nukes.

To make up for it. Here is some on-topic and for a fictional universe:

I really do like the Sekhmet bomber if any bomber is to be used in a mission. It seems so well balanced.
Title: Re: lulz politics 'n' stuff
Post by: Scotty on February 14, 2010, 11:47:12 pm
Hear hear, can we have a thread split/move?

I'm sending my reply as a PM, to be reposted if that line of discussion moves to GenDisc.

I feel I've already beaten my occupation of choice to death, so I'll just be quiet now.
Title: Re: lulz politics 'n' stuff
Post by: Mongoose on February 16, 2010, 01:10:58 am
I've been increasingly frustrated by some of the conversation trends occurring in here recently, so I'm going to keep this nice and simple:  STOP. DOING. THIS. HERE.  If you want to get into ridiculously heated arguments about political or historical events, General Discussion is just down the forum index; I'm sure both Nuke and Dekker would be perfectly happy to get more threads to drop the hammer on.  The only sort of ridiculously heated arguments I want to see in this folder are those concerning obscure storyline and/or mechanics elements of a ten-year-old space sim.  That is all.

(Oh, and if it looks like I edited every single post in here, it's because the thread-splitting mechanic randomly tacked on about a hundred backslashes to the new thread title...which, of course, wound up in every individual post title and stretched the hell out of the boards.  I don't think it likes me. :p)
Title: Re: lulz politics 'n' stuff
Post by: karajorma on February 18, 2010, 07:07:04 am
Edit: Sorry, Klaustro; I already posted that as you were saying to take it to offtopic. Also, I'm banned there, so I can't :p

You were banned from there for doing pretty much what you did here. If you fail to see where I'm going with that then by all means keep doing this.