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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kosh on February 23, 2010, 05:38:19 am
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Wow (http://fora.tv/2010/02/12/Reaching_the_Audience_in_a_Fragmented_Media_Landscape#Is_Jon_Stewarts_The_Daily_Show_Hurting_Democracy)
Why the hell are we comparing a comedy show to news shows?
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Because the comedy show is better.
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Wow (http://fora.tv/2010/02/12/Reaching_the_Audience_in_a_Fragmented_Media_Landscape#Is_Jon_Stewarts_The_Daily_Show_Hurting_Democracy)
Why the hell are we comparing a comedy show to news shows?
Because news shows stopped being news shows and started being entertainment shows. It's a matter of ratings, not truth or journalism.
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It's funny, since I think I get more facts watching The Daily Show than I do watching most other news outlets. I mean, yeah, it's entertainment, but Stewart doesn't have producers with agendas greater than "entertain".
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I love the Daily Show because they don't have to work to burn people. Just show clips of that person back to back. XD
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Because news shows stopped being news shows and started being entertainment shows. It's a matter of ratings, not truth or journalism.
Some people say that real news is dead, or something along those lines. Would you agree with them?
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Fox is the most trusted news source in America. So when you look at our political debates, town hall meetings, protesters... It makes sense, and you just feel sorry for those people.
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Is Stewart hurting democracy?
No more than Beck, Olbermann, Huffington, Limbaugh, O'Reilly...
...or for that matter, any less-controversial media figure.
Free press doesn't hurt democracy. Voter laziness and apathy, on the other hand, does, and a lot of what's wrong with news media is a reflection of that (not the cause). If there were a bigger market for solid, investigative, independent journalism, we'd see a lot more of it.
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Is Stewart hurting democracy?
No more than Beck, Olbermann, Huffington, Limbaugh, O'Reilly...
...or for that matter, any less-controversial media figure.
Free press doesn't hurt democracy. Voter laziness and apathy, on the other hand, does, and a lot of what's wrong with news media is a reflection of that (not the cause). If there were a bigger market for solid, investigative, independent journalism, we'd see a lot more of it.
+1
Took the words right from my fingers.
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Fox is the most trusted news source in America. So when you look at our political debates, town hall meetings, protesters... It makes sense, and you just feel sorry for those people.
Fox ended up being that way though because they gave light to the birth certificate, death panel, and tea party movements. They gave those jackasses a voice with which to ruin the national debate--where we should be talking about health care's effect on the deficit, we're having to spend time debunking communism accusations.
Also, if Fox wants to be a legitimate news organization, then maybe they can behave like one...CNN doesn't organize political rallies. Fox did. Several times.
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Fox is the most trusted news source in America.
Kind of. Only kind of.
The way it works is, the lefties and moderates rate everything, well, moderately, and Fox a little (to a lot) lower. The righties rate Fox really highly, and give the others extremely bad ratings, thus skewing the results. The real take away message is that the right wing doesn't live in the same world we do.
Shocking, that.
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I don't know. Maybe that affects it somewhat. But a very large number of people tune into Fox and nothing else.
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Also, if Fox wants to be a legitimate news organization, then maybe they can behave like one...
They dont want to be and they dont care to be, because they have hordes of brainwashed followers who believe they are legit and that's all that matters.
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Fox News averages (I'm sure it's changed since then) around 2.5-3 million viewers.
That's enough to be top dog in cable news channels, but in terms of the entire country? It's not overly impressive.
That's what makes this whole Jon Stewart thing hilarious, he just can't reach a big enough audience to ruin the country.
And to answer the question from AE, no I don't think real news is dead. Technology has given ordinary people access to massive amounts of news. You can read news about anything, sports from anywhere in the world, businesses from anywhere, tech news. You can read local news, regional news, national news, international news, you can read someone other areas local news.
Couple that with a medium (TV and internet) that give both news and entertainment though the same process and it's very easy to see how the blur happens.
So you have more news than you ever had before, but you also have a ton of crap that looks like news and other that just isn't news at all. This whole mishmash makes it very easy for people who either don't know or don't care to be swayed by "not news".
/end rant
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I wish Jon Stewart had enough viewers to "ruin" the country. *sigh*
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I don't. He's a comedian.
I wish people who actually gave a damn about news and politics and didn't get washed up in partisan "news". I wish people demanded actual news and not sound byte opinion passed off as news.
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I don't know. Maybe that affects it somewhat. But a very large number of people tune into Fox and nothing else.
Right, that's what I was getting it. That set of people skews the results, as explained here (http://thecrossedpond.com/2010/01/27/is-fox-the-most-trusted-name-in-news/)
Moderates and liberals all rate most of the news agencies roughly the same—in the mid-range. Conservatives, however, OVERWHELMINGLY rate all news agencies except Fox at damn near 0, and Fox closer to a 100 (on an out-of-my-ass scale of trustworthiness). In fact, the second-most trusted news agency for conservatives, CNN, is rated at 22%, which is 4% less than liberals rate Fox News. Ironically, moderates agree with liberals that Fox is their least trusted name in news, but because the range among conservative responses is so staggering, it skews the polls. So, when it says that 49% of people trust Fox and 39% do not, what it really means is conservatives really trust Fox News and absolutely despise everything else, while moderates and liberals trust Fox the least but tend to have a more, well, moderate view of everybody else.
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With people like Glenn Beck, O'Reilly and Hannity declaring all liberals and progressives the worst thing since the Soviet Union, it's not surprising.
Though the same thing could be said of Ed Schultz and Keith Olbermann for the left...but it's MSNBC. Who watches that anyway? :p
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To be fair, any/all of the above OCCASIONALLY* make good points.
* Like, once every blue ****ing moon.
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Well, I can't stand wading through Hannity/O'Reilly/Beck's crap long enough to hear any good points, but KO frequently has some good points...it's just covered by a giant ego sometimes.
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fox news makes me damn glad i'm canadian.
but then i realize they have lots of nukes, and try to think of something else instead.
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Fox has nukes? :nervous:
oh noessssss
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Fox has nukes? :nervous:
oh noessssss
Now who would they drop them on first?
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fags, liberals, atheists, muzzies
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Barack Obama.
Bill Clinton.
ACORN.
Bill Clinton again.
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oh yeah, forgot ACORN.
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Wow (http://fora.tv/2010/02/12/Reaching_the_Audience_in_a_Fragmented_Media_Landscape#Is_Jon_Stewarts_The_Daily_Show_Hurting_Democracy)
Why the hell are we comparing a comedy show to news shows?
because it's where more americans get their news than probably should.
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To be honest I've found his show to be surprisingly informative, especially for a comedy show. Although he seems to spend a lot of time making fun of the news networks. Remember when he took on Cramer and CNBC last year?
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To be honest I've found his show to be surprisingly informative, especially for a comedy show. Although he seems to spend a lot of time making fun of the news networks. Remember when he took on Cramer and CNBC last year?
yeah.
epic.
last year
:wakka:
your title given this post is also quite amusing.
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Television news is dead. Duh. There are a few good pure newspapers, but declining readership is making them less relevant. The internet? Sky's the limit. Always has been. But the internet just isn't accessible in the real world as the first two forms of news, which is why the influence it wields is still much weaker.
Solution? Well, look at the Wikimedia corporation. They're a privately owned (charitable!) corporation that provides information to users to free, in part by user generated content, and their sites are extremely popular. I understand they require donations to be sustainable. But aren't they already halfway there? Lots of internet sites are constantly experimenting how to keep their product as widely available as possible, without resorting to more normal methods of sponsorship or becoming a publicly owned company (with obviously disastrous consequences). Why can't we adapt this to making honest-to-god big editorial-style online newspapers that reach for the largest possible audience? Hell, maybe even a streaming video news service? Let's directly compete with the big boys!
What we want is for the average American to trust an internet site to get them breaking news instead of a network (which the proliferation of browsing on phones has now made possible). We want the average American to go to internet sites to read stories that traditional news outlets try to sweep under the rug. To value an independent site's opinion more than the news channel that likes to fellate its sponsors on live TV. This means we NEED name recognition. If that means we have to have a fewer number of influential sites than a large number of smaller, marginal sites, then so be it. We may have to make internet news less democratic if we want to make American news in general more democratic, like it or not. Journalistic integrity can be preserved so long as we avoid buyouts by large conglomerates, as long as we preserve a business model that relies upon readers instead of sponsors.
And again, I'm fairly ignorant if anything is actually being done along these lines, to feel free to make me look silly.
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Fox is the most trusted news source in America. So when you look at our political debates, town hall meetings, protesters... It makes sense, and you just feel sorry for those people.
The support and viewership Fox has makes me want to lock myself away in the wilderness and ignore the human race for the rest of my life. I seriously despair for humanity.