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Title: BP3 speculation and Tev missions
Post by: Colonol Dekker on March 10, 2010, 03:53:21 pm: Quote from: Dragon on March 10, 2010, 12:56:26 pm
I guess that in case somebody will be making a TEV campaign for WiH, he will have to hint using EMP missiles for defence.
Nothing but them would be able to stop these torps.

I'd expect Darius to make one at some point.
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: High Max on March 10, 2010, 05:14:40 pm: ;-)
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: The E on March 10, 2010, 05:27:25 pm: "Tev" is a UEF colloquialism for GTVA personnel. It's not an acronym, just a bit of WiH slang.
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: General Battuta on March 10, 2010, 05:36:19 pm: Yep. Corruption of 'GalTev'.
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: Droid803 on March 10, 2010, 06:57:01 pm: "Tev" always makes me think of Tera electron Volt (TeV). :/
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: General Battuta on March 10, 2010, 07:01:57 pm: Not a problem.
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: Fury on March 10, 2010, 10:47:22 pm: Quote from: Colonol Dekker on March 10, 2010, 03:53:21 pm
I expect Darius to make one at some point.
Not happening I'm afraid. :) After WiH, we'll start working on BP3. :p

Dilmah G has been working on a SOC campaign and a few standalone mission from Tev perspective.
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: High Max on March 11, 2010, 12:32:45 am: ;-)
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: The E on March 11, 2010, 12:35:40 am: Or maybe the story we're trying to tell will be told in only 3 parts. Extending it further than that would not make much sense.
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: High Max on March 11, 2010, 12:41:32 am: ;-)
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: The E on March 11, 2010, 12:45:35 am: Yes, Darius does have final authority over everything that goes on in BP. Besides, I think that with over 30 missions, WiH will be rather long. While we have no set length for BP3, it will probably be shorter than that.
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: manwiththemachinegun on March 11, 2010, 01:38:09 am: I just want to see Darius make a campaign against the Shivans that draws upon the BP team's ingenuity and epicness.

For example, the death of the Colossus was a plot related death. The second Sathanas 17 jumped in, big C should have been jumping out. While the plot to seal Capella was smart, we only got to see the tiniest fraction of the massive firefight that was happening at Vega and the Capella-Vega node. Battle of Endor missions are a treat only if they're designed well and have the appropriate build up, and the BP team excels at that. I'd like to see more thoughtful approaches to fighting Shivans. More SOC, more secret projects, more deep space reconnaissance and tactical fleet maneuvering.

So yeah, I'd like to see the GTVA and UEF scheme and come up with a way to kill the SSJ Dante and take the fight to the Shivans. They've earned their right to survive, and after War in Heaven, I want to see them hammer that point home to the great destroyers.
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: High Max on March 11, 2010, 02:26:24 am: ;-)
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: The E on March 11, 2010, 02:28:26 am: Shivan forces destroyed in another universe do not count. Whether shivan forces destroyed in the real FS2 verse have an impact, well, you'll just have to see.
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: Fury on March 11, 2010, 02:30:19 am: Quote from: High Max on March 11, 2010, 02:26:24 am
If we fight the Shivans, we need a very long campaign and a massive war with bigger ships than the Dante and we need the Gigas too, but it should take place far into the future to enable the Alliance to be much larger and more developed to have a fighting chance.
:lol:
:wtf:
:lol:
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: High Max on March 11, 2010, 02:34:38 am: ;-)
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: General Battuta on March 11, 2010, 02:35:01 am: Let it rest, High Max, fishing for answers is not productive.

Though he's probably laughing at the 'bigger is better' idea.
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: The E on March 11, 2010, 02:35:14 am: Quote from: High Max on March 11, 2010, 02:26:24 am
If we fight the Shivans, we need a very long campaign and a massive war with bigger ships than the Dante and we need the Gigas too, but it should take place far into the future to enable the Alliance to be much larger and more developed to have a fighting chance.

Are you sure you are in the right forum? Inferno is somewhere else.

NOTE: Doing it that way would be just extremely lazy storytelling, which is not what BP is about. So yeah. That's not going to happen.
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: General Battuta on March 11, 2010, 02:36:00 am: Not that Inferno is teh suck, mind - BP owes a lot to INF.
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: High Max on March 11, 2010, 02:39:49 am: ;-)
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: Fury on March 11, 2010, 02:43:18 am: Bigger is not better. At some point building bigger and bigger ships simply doesn't make any sense. You limit your tactical and strategical options greatly when you build one big ship instead of multiple small ships. That applies to Shivans just as well as it does to GTVA, or even present day Navy.
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: General Battuta on March 11, 2010, 02:44:24 am: You can see some hints about the Shivans hidden in AoA.

I suppose if you were really bold you could try to translate some of them into ideas about how we'll be keeping the Shivans scary.
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: High Max on March 11, 2010, 02:48:35 am: ;-)
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: Dilmah G on March 11, 2010, 04:02:16 am: By the way, there are Tev missions lying about Dragon.
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: Dilmah G on March 11, 2010, 04:22:51 am: Indeed. You might extrapolate from the dossiers that the GTVA has been largely moving towards a "Light Assault" force composition in some areas. It's not that balance is the key, in my opinion (which also isn't to say that balance is not important), but with a streamlined, fast-moving force, there are many tactics you can pull in order to lure the enemy, in my experience.
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: High Max on March 11, 2010, 04:46:38 am: ;-)
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: Dilmah G on March 11, 2010, 04:57:46 am: Dude, how did life come into this?

Anyway, regardless of what you said, I believe if you deal the "Light Assault" hand right, you can put up a damn good fight.
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: -Norbert- on March 11, 2010, 05:25:26 am: Will they be in the release once it comes, to be played from the Techroom?
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: Spoon on March 11, 2010, 05:30:18 am: In terms of job finding, it's a lot easier to be really good in one thing and get a job in that aspect then to be only average in a lot of things.

Also, bigger is better works for the Orkz and we all know how much Dakka they bring to the field :p
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: Dilmah G on March 11, 2010, 05:30:54 am: I assume so, as long as Darius/Battuta don't have any issues.
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on March 11, 2010, 07:03:05 am: Quote from: Snail on March 10, 2010, 12:34:26 pm
The point is that they saturate the GTVA's point defense. You can't shoot down all 33 warheads, even if a few hit it's still better than none hitting.

INFR1 can teach you so much. :p

Spoiler:
Were both the Hell Storm and Hell Storm X swarm warheads too?
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: -Norbert- on March 11, 2010, 07:35:34 am: Wasn't one the normal and the other the swarm variant? I think Hellstorm were the normal "cyclops repalcements" and the X was the swarm variant.
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: Black Wolf on March 11, 2010, 08:06:03 am: I would mention that [V] has said that FS3 wouldhave had "Planet sized ships" implying that for the Shivans bigger, while perhaps not better, seems inevitable, but that'd only annoy people.

So I wont :p
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: Commander Zane on March 11, 2010, 10:20:52 am: Quote from: Androgeos Exeunt on March 11, 2010, 07:03:05 am
Quote from: Snail on March 10, 2010, 12:34:26 pm
The point is that they saturate the GTVA's point defense. You can't shoot down all 33 warheads, even if a few hit it's still better than none hitting.

INFR1 can teach you so much. :p

Spoiler:
Were both the Hell Storm and Hell Storm X swarm warheads too?
And Dawn of Sol. :shaking:
Seriously, six wings of four Saracens with all three banks dedicated to swarming Firestorms in the field at the same time...not to mention they have eight waves each...should be illegal.
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: Snail on March 11, 2010, 10:29:56 am: That sounds downright boring.

Rest assured, there will be no tedious respawning waves in WiH.
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: Snail on March 11, 2010, 10:32:38 am: Quote from: General Battuta on March 11, 2010, 02:44:24 am
You can see some hints about the Shivans hidden in AoA.

I suppose if you were really bold you could try to translate some of them into ideas about how we'll be keeping the Shivans scary.
If the BP3 character is a "sensitive" I bet any money there will be Transcend-type moments.
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: Colonol Dekker on March 11, 2010, 01:42:42 pm: Is the battle of Neptune going to feature?
Title: Re: BP3 speculation and Tev missions
Post by: Fury on March 11, 2010, 01:46:44 pm: In WiH campaign? No, it takes place before the campaign. Dilmah's mission however, will be quite likely included with BP2.
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: High Max on March 11, 2010, 03:50:34 pm: ;-)
Title: Re: BP3 speculation and Tev missions
Post by: Scotty on March 11, 2010, 03:56:12 pm: Max, important thing to note:

Just because something appears in two different campaigns does not mean one copied the other. Just because someone somewhere had an idea does not mean the same idea from a different person is copying.
Title: Re: BP3 speculation and Tev missions
Post by: High Max on March 11, 2010, 03:58:22 pm: ;-)
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: Scotty on March 11, 2010, 03:59:39 pm: Quote from: High Max on March 11, 2010, 03:50:34 pm
Anyways, the UEF having warheads launching like they are Tornadoes is the idea that Inferno came up with in its Earth Alliance when it had Gagana bombers launching Hell Storm missiles. So BP did copy Inferno in this scenerio, or at least made it very similar to it with this idea but might have changed the name of the warheads and their specs.

That's not what this says.
Title: Re: BP3 speculation and Tev missions
Post by: High Max on March 11, 2010, 04:02:19 pm: ;-)
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: General Battuta on March 11, 2010, 06:04:55 pm: Quote from: High Max on March 11, 2010, 03:50:34 pm
Anyways, the UEF having warheads launching like they are Tornadoes is the idea that Inferno came up with in its Earth Alliance when it had Gagana bombers launching Hell Storm missiles. So BP did copy Inferno in this scenerio, or at least made it very similar to it with this idea but might have changed the name of the warheads and their specs.

The Warhammer torpedo was originally modeled by Steve-O, actually. Nothing to do with Inferno.

Inferno did not create, trademark, or otherwise originate the idea of the swarm weapon. The first swarm weapon was the Hornet in FreeSpace 1.

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Even The E said we have a lot to thank Inferno for when making BP. Perhaps some models were borrowed from there.

You really aren't paying much attention.
Title: Re: BP3 speculation and Tev missions
Post by: manwiththemachinegun on March 11, 2010, 06:27:25 pm: I do want some sort of resolution with the Shivans in BP3 that draws upon the BP's team's ingeniuty and epicness reserves. I don't think it has to be, "GTVA/UEF and Vishnans defeat the Shivans, the end," because that goes against the horror that the Shivans have represented in the last two games.

I would like an opportunity to kick the Shivans where it hurts. Losing the Lucifer, a few fleets and a few Santhanas' Juggernauts only managed to slow them down. I'd like for at least a few epic, "hold the line" style missions that were hinted at in FS2, but couldn't be accomplished due to technical reasons at the time. An opportunity to prove humanity's strength and resolve, and that we will not go gently into the night.

I have every faith that Darius and crew will do just that.

And, if at all possible, with some music to this effect: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXdr_MDlTQs :P
Title: Re: BP3 speculation and Tev missions
Post by: SpardaSon21 on March 11, 2010, 06:34:11 pm: The only music possible for such epic showdowns would be a Darius remix of One Winged Angel.
Title: Re: BP3 speculation and Tev missions
Post by: manwiththemachinegun on March 11, 2010, 06:38:17 pm: Heh, that wouldn't be bad. Still, the lyrics don't really fit the Shivans I think. Full rage? More like full of apathy towards the new upstarts they have to crush like bugs.

Quote from: Snail on March 11, 2010, 10:32:38 am
Quote from: General Battuta on March 11, 2010, 02:44:24 am
You can see some hints about the Shivans hidden in AoA.

I suppose if you were really bold you could try to translate some of them into ideas about how we'll be keeping the Shivans scary.
If the BP3 character is a "sensitive" I bet any money there will be Transcend-type moments.

Aw frick yeah. The best parts of Transcend was the looming sense you were up against something you had no real way of comprehending, let alone fight.

With the Shivans, bigger certainly isn't always better. I think a subplot involving human experimentations and people's reaction to it would be just as good. Before, the Shivans were simple exterminators. Now, we've drawn their attention, and that is NOT a good thing.
Title: Re: BP3 speculation and Tev missions
Post by: High Max on March 11, 2010, 07:02:49 pm: ;-)
Title: Re: BP3 speculation and Tev missions
Post by: Scotty on March 11, 2010, 09:23:41 pm: Quote from: High Max on March 11, 2010, 07:02:49 pm
If we do encounter extremely large Shivans targets, then I guess it only makes sense if they are installations or stationary objects. I hope we encounter something of that nature in BP 3. If we are lucky, maybe a trip to Shivan space. I like campaigns that do that and it seems like not many do that.

I sincerely doubt it. Shivan installations would be one hell of a plot contrivance.

Anyway, BP3 will be what Darius wants it to be, not necessarily what we want it to be. I'd be willing to bet he already knows what he's going to do (vaguely) for it, so our whining about what we want to see matters very little, especially if it's for a rather arbitrary request.
Title: Re: BP3 speculation and Tev missions
Post by: manwiththemachinegun on March 11, 2010, 11:05:51 pm: Yeah, but this thread is titled BP 3 speculation, so that's really all we got at this point.
Title: Re: BP3 speculation and Tev missions
Post by: swashmebuckle on March 12, 2010, 05:37:58 am: Man, BP 3 daydreaming already? :D Personally, I'm hoping that the Vasudans come back big time. I think they were the part of FS I missed the most in AoA, and everything revealed so far about WiH has indicated that it will be a monkey-on-monkey affair, so it looks like it's Zod or bust for the final installment. Fortunately, Vasudan involvement has been heavily hinted at in the prose, so I'm pretty pumped for that, but what will the Vasudan element of the military look like?

Well as long as we're speculating, perhaps the Vasudans might have abandoned the destroyer as the focal point of their fleets in favor of a comparatively lightly-armed but highly mobile carrier force. While their Terran counterparts continue to prepare for the last war by building high-tech/high-performance ships like the Raynor that are capable of dropping a Sathanas under ideal circumstances, the Vasudans might elect to maximize their strength and minimize their vulnerability by getting as many fighters and bombers (proven highly successful in both wars) in space as possible, adopting a strategy of defanging the Shivans in order to prevent a catastrophic loss rather than trying to flat out win against an obviously superior foe. Perhaps it will prove to be less effective against a different opponent, though? ;7 Anyway, exciting stuff.
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on March 12, 2010, 07:44:19 am: Quote from: Black Wolf on March 11, 2010, 08:06:03 am
I would mention that [V] has said that FS3 wouldhave had "Planet sized ships" implying that for the Shivans bigger, while perhaps not better, seems inevitable...

They did? I wonder if they meant ships the size of the original Gargant, though.
Title: Re: BP3 speculation and Tev missions
Post by: manwiththemachinegun on March 13, 2010, 02:27:46 am: Actually, that's a good point. We haven't seen much of the Vasudans have we?
Title: Re: Split from War in Heaven work-in-progress screenshots (BP3 speculation)
Post by: High Max on March 13, 2010, 03:03:47 am: ;-)
Title: Re: BP3 speculation and Tev missions
Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on March 13, 2010, 09:47:32 am: Quote from: manwiththemachinegun on March 13, 2010, 02:27:46 am
Actually, that's a good point. We haven't seen much of the Vasudans have we?

I believe the prose for BP contain the reason for this.
Title: Re: BP3 speculation and Tev missions
Post by: High Max on March 13, 2010, 12:36:36 pm: ;-)
Title: Re: BP3 speculation and Tev missions
Post by: Androgeos Exeunt on March 13, 2010, 11:37:25 pm: That too. :nod: