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Title: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2 [COMPLETED]
Post by: Lucika on March 30, 2010, 02:32:21 pm
Ladies and gentlemen, we have decided to accomplish the impossible!
Me and dragonsniper are doing...
parallel LPs of Second Great War Part II
...the most horrible abomination ever to be produced by a third party.

Two separate views about the same mess...

While I was the only one who was able to actually finish playing, I have managed to complete my Let's Play of this abomination. The playlist is here: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=78E67F2C8E149EE6

The first one is dragonsniper's, he started it a bit earlier than I did so he has the tendency to be ahead of me. If you want to hear the voice of painful death narrating (this was the way he described his feelings about the first mission), look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8hF_618q70

The second is my LP, and if you want to hear constant rant and madness while I am picking out all the flaws I can spot, check out the videos below:
Part 0 (reading the readme and the wiki page and already making myself mad at it): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVWEDyHmTuo
Part 1 (in which I actually start playing): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi02PF_H268


Let the nightmare begin... and you cannot compress time...  :mad2:
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: dragonsniper on March 31, 2010, 11:19:09 am
I also have a couple of FS2 related tutorials (tabling, FRED basics, ship implementation and such) that may help some beginners in those areas if interested. :)
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Lucika on March 31, 2010, 03:10:55 pm
Khm... you might be an LP and tutorial dude, but this has to be secondary. You are a Syrk dude first! ;)
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: High Max on March 31, 2010, 08:11:23 pm
;-)
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Scotty on March 31, 2010, 08:23:14 pm
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Getting hit by a friendly anti-warship beam doesn't automatically equal death, though it can damage you.

Maybe if you're playing on easy.  Anti-warship beams hurt like a ***** on anything higher than that.  Saying the person playing is clueless about how FS2 really works when your only experience has been on easy is.... suspect.
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: High Max on March 31, 2010, 08:31:02 pm
;-)
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Angelus on March 31, 2010, 09:14:32 pm
I think this campaign is flying on the wings of a Phoenix.
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: High Max on March 31, 2010, 09:39:58 pm
;-)
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: TrashMan on April 01, 2010, 02:35:55 am
Why don't you do a Let's Play of quality stuff... :pimp:Ya know :pimp:...like my campaings ;7 ;7 ;7 ;7
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: NGTM-1R on April 01, 2010, 02:45:03 am
Because your campaigns are not the technical masterpieces SGWP2 is!

...they generate bug reports, after all. :P
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Lucika on April 01, 2010, 08:14:58 am
Quote from: TrashMan on April 01, 2010, 02:35:55 am
Why don't you do a Let's Play of quality stuff... :pimp:Ya know :pimp:...like my campaings ;7 ;7 ;7 ;7

We'll see :P

Glad to see that our subject is the featured article on this special day :P:D
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: dragonsniper on April 01, 2010, 12:28:47 pm
Quote from: TrashMan on April 01, 2010, 02:35:55 am
Why don't you do a Let's Play of quality stuff... :pimp:Ya know :pimp:...like my campaings ;7 ;7 ;7 ;7
Like Lucika said, we'll see. We have to get our way through this genius masterpiece first.
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: High Max on April 01, 2010, 08:02:13 pm
;-)
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Scourge of Ages on April 01, 2010, 08:14:34 pm
I just started this campaign because I wanted to see what all the buzz was about. If it's good enough to make front-page on the wiki, it's good enough for me!
The readme file was fairly hilarious in itself. Like this part:

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1. The campaign is hard.  If you are a beginner, then play it in very easy.  If you are good, then play it in easy.  If you are an expert, medium is what I suggest.  If you can't beat a mission at a certain dificulty, then go down a difficulty.
and these:
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2. I have a lot of messaging in this campaign.
Followed eventually by...
it is very imporant that you read all the briefing, command briefing, debriefing, and the messages completely. Directives are also important.

And after playing though the first mission, I can say that it was actually pretty fun!
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Spoon on April 02, 2010, 02:48:25 pm
So after playing the first mission. I lost 15 minutes of my life, blowing up 43 fighters and bombers.
Truely a work of art
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: High Max on April 02, 2010, 11:08:57 pm
;-)
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Droid803 on April 03, 2010, 12:00:14 am
You can't kill them ALL yourself, unless you tell all your wingmen do depart, but in that case you seriously run the risk of failing the mission.
The only sarcasm I see in that post is "Truely a work of art".
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: High Max on April 03, 2010, 01:19:11 am
;-)
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: dragonsniper on April 03, 2010, 07:42:13 am
Quote from: High Max on April 02, 2010, 11:08:57 pm
I can't help but take that as sarcasm. I'm sure you face more than just 43 fighters/bombers. Also, don't forget 4 cruisers and 1 corvette.
Oh, I'd swear that there was more than just 4 cruisers and 1 corvette. And double the fighter/bomber count and you getting closer. ;)
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Lucika on April 03, 2010, 12:56:12 pm
Someone recommended that I should LP Topgun after that. God help me!  :warp:
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Lucika on April 05, 2010, 02:10:54 pm
Oh, question. Mumbo Jumbo seems crapped, I have completed every objective, got a positive debriefing but still failed. Any tips? Shall I post a log or some specs?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyE7HIzAQ3o <- you can see the problem at the end of this video
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Rodo on April 05, 2010, 03:04:58 pm
Quote from: Lucika on April 05, 2010, 02:10:54 pm
Oh, question. Mumbo Jumbo seems crapped, I have completed every objective, got a positive debriefing but still failed. Any tips? Shall I post a log or some specs?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyE7HIzAQ3o <- you can see the problem at the end of this video


If you are using some of the 3.6.10 branch, try with a newer one.
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Lucika on April 05, 2010, 03:20:55 pm
According to the vid (in the main hall), I was using the 3.6.11 Inferno build.
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Scourge of Ages on April 12, 2010, 01:25:16 am
I just finished this mission with 3.6.12 RC2. First time through I left before all the bombers were dead, and failed the mission. Next time through I just cheated to kill everything as fast as possible so I wouldn't have to sit through it again, and it worked! I progressed!

Yaaaayyyyyyyy....

EDIT: It's probably just a matter of finishing off all hostile waves before you are "relieved."

Also EDIT: Huzzzzzah. I have completed this campain. Honestly, I wouldn't blame you for giving up where you are guys, it just gets more painful. And then you're just begging for the campain to end, and it just keeps going. And then there are nebula missions.
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Mongoose on April 14, 2010, 01:08:48 am
Quote from: Scourge of Ages on April 12, 2010, 01:25:16 am
Also EDIT: Huzzzzzah. I have completed this campain. Honestly, I wouldn't blame you for giving up where you are guys, it just gets more painful. And then you're just begging for the campain to end, and it just keeps going. And then there are nebula missions.
Speak for yourself.  Some of us very much enjoy it. :p
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Lucika on April 14, 2010, 08:52:11 am
Quote from: Scourge of Ages on April 12, 2010, 01:25:16 am
EDIT: It's probably just a matter of finishing off all hostile waves before you are "relieved."

I believe the same. I will finish Monopoly Tycoon once and for all, then get back to this insanity.
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: dragonsniper on April 17, 2010, 09:12:19 am
I previously mentioned that I had a couple Freespace 2 related tutorials up. Included is a new FREDing tutorial, VP making, tabling etc. On topic now, i will also try to finish up SGWP2 once i'm finished with Starcraft and other RL duties.
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: GammaDraconis6 on April 19, 2010, 10:43:05 am
I've been following the OP's videos. I'm still LOLing about how the ships talk as if they are people. "Sathanas 7: Alpha 1 do you not trust me?"

Personally, I wonder what the mission designer's mindset was when he created this. At first thought it seems as though he was just lazy and decided to put little effort into the campaign, but that doesn't really hold water when you see the length of the backstory he wrote (i.e. those essays in the command briefings). Also the fact that he made 30 missions.

I think he must have just been really young. After all, I myself must have been about 8 or 9 when I started Freespace. I just don't see any other reason how someone could create such a badly designed campaign with such a juvenile backstory, horrible mission concepts, and really bad dialog.

Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: dragonsniper on April 19, 2010, 01:16:18 pm
If you can get past the overly complicated parts of the impossible to understand storyline, then you can see how much effort was attempted to be put into that. However, I do agree that the missions seemed very rushed.
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Mongoose on April 19, 2010, 04:45:35 pm
Quote from: GammaDraconis6 on April 19, 2010, 10:43:05 am
I think he must have just been really young. After all, I myself must have been about 8 or 9 when I started Freespace. I just don't see any other reason how someone could create such a badly designed campaign with such a juvenile backstory, horrible mission concepts, and really bad dialog.
I don't know if he was quite that young, but he was probably on the younger side; more importantly, though, this was probably the first campaign he ever worked on.  SGWP2 is kind of the living embodiment of that "supar awesome uber-campaign" that most of us wanted to make after first playing through the games, but swiftly gave up due to lack of experience...only this time, the person actually completed and released it.  It makes for a great teaching example in terms of how not to approach your first FREDding project.

And as I've said in the past, what I find most fascinating about the campaign is that, for all its myriad of storytelling faults, it's completely playable from a technical standpoint; I've seen campaigns with much better stories that come off far worse on that front.  The person who made it obviously had a decent grasp on the workings of FRED and the testing process.  Part of me wonders if the whole thing wasn't just some brilliant parody created by an accomplished FREDder working under a pseudonym. :p
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Lucika on April 20, 2010, 01:54:12 pm
Quote from: Mongoose on April 19, 2010, 04:45:35 pm
[uber quotestacking]

If you have read the readme it says that "I have done some programming before on the computer and the FRED program was really easy."
Do you think that a youngling ubernerd fits this description?
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Mongoose on April 20, 2010, 03:20:28 pm
Could be.  I'm sure there are plenty of teens out there who have grabbed a C book and started teaching themselves.  If the designer was familiar with a language that uses s-expressions, like Lisp, coding events in FRED may have seemed fairly intuitive.  Regardless, I think the important point is the campaign is definitely a first-time effort.
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Vrets on April 20, 2010, 09:23:46 pm
Has there ever been an attempt to track down the author?
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Scourge of Ages on April 20, 2010, 09:37:55 pm
There's not all that much really complicated, FRED-wise. For example:
Spoiler:
In the 'disarm three Sathanas' mission, it doesn't matter how many beam cannon you destroy, or if you fully disarm any Sath. The results are the same: Command briefing telling you how many Collossi you lost. If he had been a real pro, he could have carried over results and let you play the mission where you blow up those three.
That sort of thing happens a lot: He can't figure out how to do something really cool, so he throws 50 fighters at you and calls it a mission.
On the plus side, I learned quite a bit about FREDding from this campaign. Much of which I plan to implement in the ol' dodgy mod.
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: TopAce on April 21, 2010, 01:08:27 pm
I loved that mission because it was altruistic to me. It let me pass even though I failed it. Or did I? Does one define "failure" as "cannot pass in the campaign"?
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Droid803 on April 21, 2010, 01:39:43 pm
Kinda random but it relates to the LP videos:

Lucika, is it just me, or do all the videos only have sound from one speaker? (The right side IIRC).
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Lucika on April 22, 2010, 12:52:05 pm
Quote from: Droid803 on April 21, 2010, 01:39:43 pm
Kinda random but it relates to the LP videos:

Lucika, is it just me, or do all the videos only have sound from one speaker? (The right side IIRC).

Mine? Well, as far as I have seen, my voice can NOT be heard from the left speaker at all :D but the game has sound in stereo.
My voice seems mono, that is all.
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: CP5670 on April 23, 2010, 01:40:35 pm
I'm tempted to try this out after reading the comments here. :D This might have been one of the first campaigns released for FS2. I remember seeing it on Xanadu's archive only a month or two after FS2 was released.
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: High Max on April 23, 2010, 03:16:37 pm
;-)
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: TopAce on April 23, 2010, 03:17:55 pm
The main FreeSpace 2 campaign.
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: High Max on April 23, 2010, 03:18:47 pm
;-)
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Lucika on June 23, 2010, 02:48:16 pm
Sorry for necroing the thread, but the LP continues :) After finishing school and failing to solve some of the bug issues, I've ended up playing the missions from the tech room. What comes now is probably the most unbalanced mission EVAR, with the difference between failure and victory seems to be the random destruction of destroyers and juggernauts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxBzHHLUrLs - Part 27
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: IronBeer on June 23, 2010, 03:55:12 pm
Wow. SGWP2 almost appears to be an elaborate joke on somebody's part. It doesn't even seem possible that a campaign could be so bad without trying.

I salute you for slogging through that ****-festival.
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Lucika on June 23, 2010, 04:53:46 pm
I am glad to suffer for your lulz. Parts 28-29-30 are uploading as I speak.  :nod:
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Lucika on July 13, 2010, 06:50:19 pm
Part 31 up, with some more coming tomorrow. Uber rant time.
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Lucika on July 18, 2010, 06:14:31 pm
Quote from: Lucika on April 22, 2010, 12:52:05 pm
Quote from: Droid803 on April 21, 2010, 01:39:43 pm
Kinda random but it relates to the LP videos:

Lucika, is it just me, or do all the videos only have sound from one speaker? (The right side IIRC).

Mine? Well, as far as I have seen, my voice can NOT be heard from the left speaker at all :D but the game has sound in stereo.
My voice seems mono, that is all.

Sorry for that, I was talking **** (though it seems as if my built-in microphone was deteriorating by time as my voice is barely but hearable from the left speaker as well, but not anymore). I definitely cannot be heard from the left speaker, I am currently working around the clock to get a new microphone. So, again, sorry for stating an astounding stupidity, it was based upon my (faulty) experiences.

And yes, we have new episodes coming up.  :nod:
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Lucika on August 08, 2010, 08:56:48 am
What the?! I DON'T KUFCING CARE ABOUT ALPHA 3'S SEXUAL PREFERENCES! WHAT IS WRONG IS THE MISSION DESIGNER?!
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Scourge of Ages on August 09, 2010, 11:44:32 am
Quote from: Lucika on August 08, 2010, 08:56:48 am
What the?! I DON'T KUFCING CARE ABOUT ALPHA 3'S SEXUAL PREFERENCES! WHAT IS WRONG IS THE MISSION DESIGNER?!
Oh yeah, I remember that. It made me laugh, but not because it was funny.
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Lucika on August 10, 2010, 09:31:32 am
Quote from: Scourge of Ages on August 09, 2010, 11:44:32 am
Quote from: Lucika on August 08, 2010, 08:56:48 am
What the?! I DON'T KUFCING CARE ABOUT ALPHA 3'S SEXUAL PREFERENCES! WHAT IS WRONG IS THE MISSION DESIGNER?!
Oh yeah, I remember that. It made me laugh, but not because it was funny.

Agreed. Rant here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akMRkhGcFW4 (Part 41)

I guess I owe a major link avalanche.

Part 28: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTjdAabvFaI
Part 29: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whnUa9zHtdw
Part 30: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwzQnH1vxQ8
Part 31: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4CHfJmj8A4
Part 32: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlQVCq1z0j8
Part 33: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez7HmdrbX5c
Part 34: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI0K_likOzQ
Part 35: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99aG2bIVqD4
Part 36: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ--PFnLIdE
Part 37: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3ehOetq4Pc
Part 38: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gno2aMjo4yg
Part 39: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFTrJ3uEUxs
Part 40: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-7jqMWzTxs
And Part 41 is above.

Have a good suffering!  :pimp:
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Lucika on October 10, 2010, 05:21:26 am
New eps are going up now and, yes, I forgot to add the last three episode links.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIBuCWKJPxI Part 42
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpwSMP7SIaY Part 43
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_VMa9wf7Dk Part 44

70 minutes of new content currently being processed on my laptop. :yes:
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Lucika on October 10, 2010, 07:24:40 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt2kIrj211s Part 45
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Scourge of Ages on October 10, 2010, 03:23:03 pm
whooooooooooo!
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Lucika on October 10, 2010, 03:54:20 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr1rNK6wcXA P46
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuFOXT-uMRY P47
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pogfD9t2xwg P48
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffg7zdRuvgQ P49
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BOvnQ-aImM p50
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Lucika on October 11, 2010, 12:11:55 pm
The trailer for the F-I-N-A-L-E is here!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnDbeUSEFFA
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Lucika on October 13, 2010, 12:38:56 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU0D4bdz2CE Part 51...
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Lucika on October 14, 2010, 02:05:07 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjhSh5JWrc Part 52...
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Enigmatic Entity on October 15, 2010, 10:02:17 am
So how many missions are there? 50 and counting...
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Lucika on October 15, 2010, 11:23:01 am
Quote from: Enigmatic Entity on October 15, 2010, 10:02:17 am
So how many missions are there? 50 and counting...

Episode number =/= mission number :) It can take me more than a YouTube video to tackle a piece of this crapfest.
Actually, IIRC, there are 27+1 missions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5O8TeAknuE - Part 53: final mission coming up tomorrow!
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Lucika on October 15, 2010, 12:15:45 pm
(http://www.craplogo.me/logos/SGWP2_logo.png)

No comment needed. :pimp:
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Droid803 on October 15, 2010, 07:40:34 pm
lol
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Lucika on October 16, 2010, 07:25:23 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aecjjC14VGA - Here we are, the final mission! (Part 54)
The unbelievable finale and my final thoughts (plus the bonus video) will be uploaded tomorrow.
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Lucika on October 17, 2010, 05:16:10 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzKste-Wflw The Finale, ladies and gentlemen!

Two more videos to go, and then the Let's Play will be officially complete.
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Lucika on October 17, 2010, 05:57:15 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbK2XyRmiMw Post-suffer traumatic thoughts.
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2
Post by: Lucika on October 17, 2010, 04:21:44 pm
And here is the conclusion! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwcP0s5akeg - The bonus video!

Highlights plox :rolleyes::D
Title: Re: Co-Let's Play (Suffer) of Second Great War Part 2 [COMPLETED]
Post by: Scourge of Ages on October 18, 2010, 03:47:07 am
Huzzah!