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I quite like it.
I REALLY like the fit redhead dressed as a naughty policewoman.
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he will most certainly do, and the red head is a nice distraction and defiantly has the fire to be an assistant. hope they keep it up
btw whats with the darlek in british a paint job????
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We invented them back in WW1. Davros stole them ;)
Amy Pond . . . . <3 my new favourite.
EDIT- The Spitfires in space interest me more though.
additional info. Here's the new assistant. (IT IS CLEAN I SWEAR)
EDIT 2, and here she is as my beer gods intended...
We could make beautiful drunken babies....... :lol:
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I loved the new episode, it felt like a modern day take on the old episodes I used to watch with Tom Baker, my favourite part of the whole show? Well, not to spoil things too much...
Oi! You lot! Back 'ere! Now!'
That was classic :)
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Since it doesn't seem to be horrible, I'll watch it on iPlayer.
The question I want to ask, is the new guy any gewd? Regardless, I think getting rid of Mr. Russel T. DeusExMachinaToEndEvery****ingEpisode should increase the quality of the show.
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:yes:
There's a tonne less emo-slice-self-hate/love going on.
So yar, 'tis better.
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What I really hate about the new series as a whole is the fact that every season seems to end with increasingly more retarded Deus Ex Machina. I hold Russel T. Davies accountable.
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Indeed. The regular episodes all ranged from meh to good to brilliant, but the series finales almost always started off good, only to end in utter stupidity.
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It
was
BRILLIANT!
Seriously, best Doctor Who since....I don't know when. Mind you he's a bit full of himself, but I guess after 10 lifetimes he's earned the right.
A note on the "assistant":
WANT!
Lastly:
GEEEEEERONIMOOOOOOOOO!
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The wife and I both liked it, and I was a genuine fan of Ms. Gillan's skirt. More please =)
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The wife and I both liked it, and I was a genuine fan of Ms. Gillan's skirt. More please =)
And by more you mean less? :D
On a more serious note I loved the episode and pretty much all of my fears about the "new" setup have been allayed. I think it's going to be a fun ride! I look forward to more episodes. Looking forward to the Spitfires dogfighting in space thing :)
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I'm looking forward to seeing the weeping angels again. :D
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Loved it, Matt smith is brillant as the doc, can't wait for Victory of the daleks, and watch spitfires going up against a dalek saucer BRILLANT!
Karen Gillian HOT and a fellow scot! can't go wrong with a Scot on board ;)
Cybermen back as well, shame its RTD's cybermen and not the originals.
I love the new Tardis!
I did like the RTD's series but as other people have said his end of season "epic" story's started of well but ended in really rubbish ways. I am still angry at how he destroyed the daleks in journeys end by the push of a button, sorry but that is plain stupid! i also hated how he kept wiping them out and bringing back with not very good reason and he couldn't really write for them. I am just hoping that Mark Gatiss does them justice and it looks like he might do it, because in an interview he says they win hence why its called victory of the Daleks.
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i still stand by the fact we nee a new persistent nemesis for the doctor, yes darleks and cybermen are fun but
1 we keep killing them utterly and finally to find they survived again
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2 they are old hat and dont hold that same ohhh **** factor any more because we know they can be beaten and the doc has many ways to beat them
lets see something new and i for one would like to see something new and time based
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The only one worth keeping was the Master.... but he's well and truly screwed.........................isn't he :nervous:
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The only one worth keeping was the Master.... but he's well and truly screwed.........................isn't he :nervous:
the master was great in the end, problem is he wasn't the threat he could have been as he was trapped in the current era, given a time machine or something similar could have been realy fun to chase him doiwn
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The only one worth keeping was the Master.... but he's well and truly screwed.........................isn't he :nervous:
He's a crafty one that Master... he'll be back sometime. I figure they will be exploring some new re-occurring villains this season so maybe not right away.
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Thing is, recurring bad-guys is a tradition that goes all the way back to Flash Gordon and Mings' inability to die.
I agree the Daleks aren't very well dealt with though, many more episodes, and there are going to have been more Daleks escaped the Time War than took place in it. I heard one hint that the Monk, another Timelord, might have escaped the War, there were whispers about Patrick Stewart playing him, but, I hasten to add, they were little more than Scuttlebut, so don't take it as Gospel :)
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i still stand by the fact we nee a new persistent nemesis for the doctor, yes darleks and cybermen are fun but
1 we keep killing them utterly and finally to find they survived again
and
2 they are old hat and dont hold that same ohhh **** factor any more because we know they can be beaten and the doc has many ways to beat them
lets see something new and i for one would like to see something new and time based
I agree: I like the show, but I'm sick of cybermen and daleks.
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But Daleks are awesome. :(
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But Daleks are awesome. :(
Agreed, but too much of them can kind of ruin the impact, this war was so tightly shut that the Lords of Time, one of the first races in the Universes, and people who had mastered the art of Time Travel before humanity had even appeared, cannot get out, and yet it seems to leak Daleks like a sieve, maybe it's something to do with the Pepperpot shape ;) There seems to be a rule that every incarnation of the Doc must meet Daleks at least once.
Though, admittedly, I get the strangest feeling these Daleks are not out to destroy Earth, quite the opposite in fact, it's just a strange suspicion that I can't shake off....
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I'd say that one (1) Dalek can be awesome. Several billions of them? Not so much.
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so basically thumbs so far keep up the good work, with slight concerns on rehashing some of the old bad guys again.
btw i support the darleks in the preview bit are british operated but i think they will turn at some point, maybe not in the first encounter but they will
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Actually, I'm wondering if we are going to see a re-appearance of a very old facet of Dr Who, there was, in fact, a rebel cadre of Daleks (created by the Doctors interference) that did not believe in Davros' and the Emperors vision and fought against the mainstream Daleks, I could be wrong, but it would be kind of a nice twist if these were some of them, since, if it is a 'nomal' Dalek then everyone watching will already know it's going to go horribly wrong, it'd be interesting to get a curve-ball ;)
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There're certainly bringing some old stuff back - I'm sure I saw some Silurians in that clip at the end. :D
I always found them the scariest when I was younger - all that eating people and putting them in cadges an stuff. :shaking:
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i just had a random thought, they can bring rose tylor and *david tennant* back. at the end of last nights eppisode the badguy said the universe was fracturing, presumably this meens some dimensional cracking meaning there will be a path through from the alternate earth that tylor and the exiled human/doctor live on
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I think this is something different to the rift at Torchwood, I think this is more to do with the foundations of Space and Time itself, maybe the Time-War put so much strain on reality that it's starting to give after Gallifreys last little solution?
Frankly, I think it would be best, if they even intend to do a Tennant/Smith/Ecclestone meet-up, that it not be for a good couple of years to allow Smith to be firmly implanted in the mind of the viewers as the 'real' Doctor for that series.
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While i do love the Daleks and Cybermen (the main Mondasian ones) i do agree with that the new who does need it own signature villain to fight against.
I can't wait to see the Silurians again, i remember watching them against Jon pertwee and thought they were awesome, then we got peter Davidson's warriors of the deep which didn't do these fantastic creatures any justice, lets just hope that this 2 parter that they are in will.
Daleks in force can be scary if written properly, the audio dalek empire series is a prime example as well as Blood of the Daleks, Time of the Daleks. The daleks in those audio stories come across as a real and terrifying threat, because they are well written. The only Dalek episode i liked was "Dalek" and that was an adaptation of the audio story Jubilee and it wasn't written by Russell. He can do good stuff, he just can't write good dalek stuff.
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Isn't the Doctor close to running out of regenerations?
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It seems they have sort of thrown that bit of canon out the window.
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Isn't the Doctor close to running out of regenerations?
Technically, he already should have.
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I think it is a bridge they are going to have to cross to be honest, since that fact is so firmly ground into Dr Who canon that just ignoring it entirely would likely cause problems. It'd be interesting, come to think of it, if he fully expected to die at his 14th regeneration, and yet he doesn't, he regenerates as normal, and he doesn't know why.
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Isn't he supposed to be the 3rd mythological figure from Gallifreyan story about the events leading up to they're mastery of time? Rassilon, Omega, and the Other(hence the ? moniker)>
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Isn't the Doctor close to running out of regenerations?
Technically, he already should have.
How? He has 13 regenerations and is only on 11 AFAIK.
It seems they have sort of thrown that bit of canon out the window.
Well the master is on his 15th or 16th regeneration IIRC. Although he gained one by stealing one from the 7th/8th doctor.
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How? He has 13 regenerations and is only on 11 AFAIK.
I've been told that's a retcon in and of itself, and that in the black-and-white days it was nine, but I've not seen said episodes so I can't swear to it.
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It did indeed used to be 9.
Seems to be a very flexible number though and the new series has never touched on it at all.
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If it was, it's a very old retcon as I seem to remember the Five Doctors episode stated the numbers were 1st to 5th Doctors.
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the regeneration cycle rules has some get round clauses http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Regeneration#The_Regenerative_Cycle
As with most such "rules" there were occasionally exceptions to the twelve regeneration limit. The High Council, offered the Master a new regenerative cycle if he complied with rescuing the various incarnation of the Doctor from the Death Zone. (DW: The Five Doctors) Although he did not receive this award on that occasion, during the Last Great Time War the Master was given the ability to regenerate once more (DW: Utopia).
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Wow, i lovd that episode. I didnt think Smith would be that good, however, I was totally suprised by how amazeing he was. Especially towards the end when he recalled the aliens and dealt with them. Also, I hope we see more of that Rory, he was quite funny. "Erm, did he just bring them back? Did he just save the world from aliens, then brought all the aliens back again?!"
as for ewgenerations, I thought he only had 12, however, we'll have to see when the time arrives I guess.
Also, I do wonder if we'll see the Master again, and if we do, will he be in charge of the Time Lords after his return to Gallifrey? will he be a prisoner? will he be ont he doctors side? will he use him? and most importantly: Will he still be played by John Simms? :D
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Isn't he supposed to be the 3rd mythological figure from Gallifreyan story about the events leading up to they're mastery of time? Rassilon, Omega, and the Other(hence the ? moniker)>
According to fanzine and some novel writers with over-active imaginations, yes, personally, I think the whole 'Mobius Doctor' idea is a terrible idea.
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seemed like a good place to post this so..............http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00rp3dw there are 3 days left to listen to a bit of doctor who history from my favourite doctors and the "42"
have a listen as it will be gone soon and its worth the 30 minutes
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Great episode, the new Dr. is great, although in the very beginning it was a bit creepy when he was talking to the little girl..."are your parents around?" "Where are they?" "feeed meeeee". Ok the last one is a joke but you get what I mean :p
Also, the new companion is blazing hot. Hottest ever? Hell yes. Mmm...naughty policewoman redheads...
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And an established model to boot.
I miss the bluedriver, green looks pants. . . . . A green sonic screwdriver is not the same.
Ideally laser style would be my preference.
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Go back to Tom Bakers' screwdriver and it didn't have any lights at all, which kind of makes sense when you consider it was sonic...
Was watching the 'Key of Time' series with Tom Baker as the Doctor last night, it's amazing how much he took the piss out of the crew and the other actors while they were filming ;)
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Go back to Tom Bakers' screwdriver and it didn't have any lights at all, which kind of makes sense when you consider it was sonic...
while having its technobable merits it lacks the eye candy factor of a glowing light.
yes blue looked stronger on screen than the new green one did in Saturday program
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There seems to be a rule that every incarnation of the Doc must meet Daleks at least once.
dalek dalek truck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAk2HjHSGbo)
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There seems to be a rule that every incarnation of the Doc must meet Daleks at least once.
dalek dalek truck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAk2HjHSGbo)
That's brilliant!!!! Voice was distorted a bit tooooo much for even a Dalek though, had to use th subtitles.
"Heres a Dalek, theres a Dalek and a bloody lot of Daleks" :D
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This one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et84no9Ypc0) has better audio, but it also has slides instead of video.
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that is sweet, and now posted on facebook
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Watched the latest episode. Can't help thinking this series is getting more and more silly.
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What was wrong with it??? i really enjoyed it, yes the new colour scheme of the daleks are not what i had in mind, well the white one was ok and the Daleks won, thats kinda a new one for the show. Yes the doc saved the earth but the daleks still really won the day
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the darleks have won against the doc few times if memory holds true though only to be hammered later. and the colours remind me some what of the original set of shows and a dig the extra few inches, new grill section and the new eye stalk
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It just drives home to me how badly DW relies on completely illogical bollocks to drive the story.
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what annoys me is that the show even admitted the darleks should have been wiped out, i know it comes down to the whole the universe is fracturing thing mentioned at the end of the first one but this is ridiculous
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The Daleks looked like some sort power rangers.
Tonnes better in Army green.
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I was sort of hoping this would be their swansong, not their rebirth, but still, great episode.
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But the episode made no sense! Even for Doctor Who! And that's really saying something!
Seriously, this made less sense than Russel T. Davies' episodes!
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I can't say I liked how the Dalkes now look. It was almost like a reversal of style, looking ess modern thean the RTD ones.
Also, it didnt take very long to make those spitfires space-capable and with laser-fireing abilities...
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I thought the episode made perfect sense to be honest, the only thing I'm trying to figure out are these 'cracks' in the universe, whether they are something to do with the Tardis' inaccuracy with landing times, and why the Tardis keeps arriving near them, are they cause, or effect? Other than that, seemed perfectly fine to me.
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I can't say I liked how the Dalkes now look. It was almost like a reversal of style, looking ess modern thean the RTD ones.
Also, it didnt take very long to make those spitfires space-capable and with laser-fireing abilities...
to be honest it wouldn't have taken much to mod the spitfires using the weaponry and lift units from the prototypes scatted through the lab (at least one book states that darlek weapons have a self contained power source), the difficult part would have been rigging the life support for pilots dont know how you explain that
I thought the episode made perfect sense to be honest, the only thing I'm trying to figure out are these 'cracks' in the universe, whether they are something to do with the Tardis' inaccuracy with landing times, and why the Tardis keeps arriving near them, are they cause, or effect? Other than that, seemed perfectly fine to me.
the tardis has rarely been accurate in its travel in either time or space and i think the darleks fell through one of the cracks caused by the universe apparently falling apart mentioned in episode 1, what i want to know is how they are going to explain about the lass not knowing about the last darlek attack
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True, but the 'new' Tardis seems even more inaccurate than normal, the Tenth Doctor didn't have any problem travelling back to the correct time to give Martha Jones his tie, but the latest incarnation of the Tardis seems far, far less accurate, and it all seems to have started with the crack in the wall in the first episode.
I have a feeling the whole 'rememberance' thing is also to do with those cracks, maybe it's the knock-back effect of the Daleks next plan? Maybe they plan to shatter time and rebuild it more to their liking? Like with the Time War, lesser races never even remembered it happened. That's why I felt a chill when the Dalek stated that its mission was to 'win the war', the first thought that came to me was, 'Which one?'. Ah well, I guess time will tell, if you'll pardon the pun :)
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True, but the 'new' Tardis seems even more inaccurate than normal, the Tenth Doctor didn't have any problem travelling back to the correct time to give Martha Jones his tie, but the latest incarnation of the Tardis seems far, far less accurate, and it all seems to have started with the crack in the wall in the first episode.
I have a feeling the whole 'rememberance' thing is also to do with those cracks, maybe it's the knock-back effect of the Daleks next plan? Maybe they plan to shatter time and rebuild it more to their liking? Like with the Time War, lesser races never even remembered it happened. That's why I felt a chill when the Dalek stated that its mission was to 'win the war', the first thought that came to me was, 'Which one?'. Ah well, I guess time will tell, if you'll pardon the pun :)
i must admit to having the same thought regarding which war, the thing i am trying to figure at the moment is why all the noticeable starting now, it shouldn't matter that its a new doctor these kinds of events should run anyway so is it related to the last encounter with the time lords, i mean that encounter involved major shoving at some pretty fundamental aspects of time and time travel in the whoniverse.
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I did also consider that the last confrontation was a little too much for the Universe, what with the beating it's taken lately, the rift at Torchwood being torn open and then closed again, the incident at the Medusa Cascade, and then the Timelords trying to destroy Time entirely, but maybe it's like the 'Bad Wolf' thing ,where the event is casting shadows before and after the point in time that it actually happened?
It also means that Dalek Ka'ans prediction of the end of 'all things Dalek' was inaccurate, which confused me, as well as the fact that the Daleks that engaged the Progenitor were, apparently, left over from the The End of Time, and were, therefore, made directly from the DNA of Davros, which makes them as pure as Daleks get, so I'll admit to being a bit surprised that it didn't recognise them.
Though, I'll admit, I do like the new Dalek, they are somewhat retro in look, as they should be, since they are 'original' Daleks, and, let's face it, Matt Smith isn't a short guy, and it would have looked a wee bit silly if he'd had to bend over in order to look his arch-enemy in the eye :)
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The Ironsides in this episode are the ones left over from Journey's End. I'm not sure if they were made from Davros' DNA or Dalek Caan's but the later is part human.
Personally I loved the episode.
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A little fast paced for me, with too little explanation about certain things, but a good episode. Tho I wish they'd go back to the 90 min style from back in the 70s/80s.
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Did anyone notice how GOD DAMM OBESE these retro Daleks are?
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They can still run pretty fast...
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Tell you what, i bet the dalek operators are now thinking "thank god, some has made them bigger and wider, at last no more cramp, i've got room in this thing" :lol: But i bet they are happy that the props been enlarged so they have some form of comfort! because i know first hand how small the inside of a dalek is!
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To be honest, I think the wheel-base is actually shorter on the new Daleks, but wider. Apparently, the biggest concern of the operators is the stopping distance on the new Dalek is a great deal longer than the old ones because of weight, and they are concerned that if they have to go down a slope at any point, you'll end up with a big Dalek-bundle at the bottom :)
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The Ironsides in this episode are the ones left over from Journey's End. I'm not sure if they were made from Davros' DNA or Dalek Caan's but the later is part human.
Personally I loved the episode.
I thought that Dalek Sek was the only one who merged his DNA with humans? Dalek Caan was still a part of the Cult of Skaro when he time-shifted into the Time War, and therefore one of the Emperors personal guard, I don't see the Emperor picking an impure Dalek for that.
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In Bad Wolf the emperor of the Dalek's combined human DNA with Dalek DNA in order to make his new followers. In Saturday's episode the Doctor mentioned that he knew all about the Dalek's single ship falling through time. AFAIK he had to be referring to Emperor's ship then. Which suggests that the Cult of Skaro were sent into the void shortly after the Emperor rebuilt his fleet (using human DNA) and that the Cult of Skaro at that point were already part human.
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Bastards!
Roll on next Saturday!
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The buggers cliffhanger just when it was really starting to get good!! That was a good ep, poor Amy is she turning into one! Roll on sat! Those decaying angels where quite chilling i have to say. I also didn't realise Mike Skinner from the Streets was in the episode.
In Bad Wolf the emperor of the Dalek's combined human DNA with Dalek DNA in order to make his new followers. In Saturday's episode the Doctor mentioned that he knew all about the Dalek's single ship falling through time. AFAIK he had to be referring to Emperor's ship then. Which suggests that the Cult of Skaro were sent into the void shortly after the Emperor rebuilt his fleet (using human DNA) and that the Cult of Skaro at that point were already part human.
Actually according to the behind the scenes stuff, the dalek ship is from the journeys end ep(one ship did survive if you what the scene where there all blown up frame by frame one ship does escape) and that they got knocked to WW2. The reason the progenitor didn't accept them is because they were made from Davros's DNA and he isn't a Dalek, hes a Kaled and throughout the series whenever davros makes a new race of daleks he alters them to try and make them more deadly and also so that they don't betray him which they do. So they new dalek mutants would not match the progenitors version of pure dalek DNA.
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ya know, when I think of starbug's sig, the only thing that comes to mind is; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3kQ1fvNYkg&feature=related
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Just watched it again, really clever episode, what gets me is that the answer wasn't just in front of the Doctors nose, it was in front of everyone's nose, even the viewers, and yet I missed it, and felt just as silly as they did when they realised.
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"It's just a 'thing', people don't question 'things'..."
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I have to say, I did quite like this episode, but for some reason it fealt really short. Also, I totally forgot this weeks episode was a cliff hanger, Wolfy was not amused.
ya know, when I think of starbug's sig, the only thing that comes to mind is; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3kQ1fvNYkg&feature=related
The only thing that comes to MY mind when reading that signature was the song on that page.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/hyperdrive/articles/hyperdrive_killthehumans_feature.shtml
Interestingly, there is a dalekified version of said song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIgQAQFYlm4
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Just watched it again, really clever episode, what gets me is that the answer wasn't just in front of the Doctors nose, it was in front of everyone's nose, even the viewers, and yet I missed it, and felt just as silly as they did when they realised.
Yep. Brilliant episode from start to finish. An episode of Who which isn't just great Dr Who but which is also simply just great Sci-fi.
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What if we had ideas that could think for themselves? What if, one day, our dreams no longer needed us?
Man, that gave me chills.
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One thing that did grab my attention was Rivers' comment that she was taught to fly the Tardis by the 'very best', and that it was a pity the Doctor was busy that day. If that wasn't some kind of dig at the Doctor, and he genuinely wasn't the one who taught her how to fly it, then it raises some very interesting questions about the Doctors' future, i.e. If there are no Timelords left, who knows how to fly the Tardis even better than the Doctor does?
Jumping to massive conculsions, that hints, to me, to a reformed Master, who was always better with Tardis tech than the Doctor was.
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I missed this weeks. I'm gonna try I-Player.
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One thing that did grab my attention was Rivers' comment that she was taught to fly the Tardis by the 'very best', and that it was a pity the Doctor was busy that day. If that wasn't some kind of dig at the Doctor, and he genuinely wasn't the one who taught her how to fly it, then it raises some very interesting questions about the Doctors' future, i.e. If there are no Timelords left, who knows how to fly the Tardis even better than the Doctor does?
Jumping to massive conculsions, that hints, to me, to a reformed Master, who was always better with Tardis tech than the Doctor was.
When Amy Pond accused River's that she was the Doctors wife she states "You're good, I'm not saying you right but your good!" Does this mean she was actually his lover, and maybe the Masters wife, they had an affair, which would add to the Masters hatred for the Doctor.
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some of this
One thing that did grab my attention was Rivers' comment that she was taught to fly the Tardis by the 'very best', and that it was a pity the Doctor was busy that day. If that wasn't some kind of dig at the Doctor, and he genuinely wasn't the one who taught her how to fly it, then it raises some very interesting questions about the Doctors' future, i.e. If there are no Timelords left, who knows how to fly the Tardis even better than the Doctor does?
Jumping to massive conculsions, that hints, to me, to a reformed Master, who was always better with Tardis tech than the Doctor was.
When Amy Pond accused River's that she was the Doctors wife she states "You're good, I'm not saying you right but your good!" Does this mean she was actually his lover, and maybe the Masters wife, they had an affair, which would add to the Masters hatred for the Doctor.
would possibly explain the bishops comment to Rivers about if he 'knew' about something and the fact that it was to early in his timeline to know and that they needed to sort the angel situatio before he 'figures it out'
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Okay, for those of you who have seen the latest episode.
Why were the angels snapping necks instead of killing the way they usually do? Was it just cause they were killing for enjoyment?
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I also got the impression from what the doctor said - that they weren't strong enough yet, you get the impression in blink that they can fly too yet here they cannot.
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Okay, for those of you who have seen the latest episode.
Why were the angels snapping necks instead of killing the way they usually do? Was it just cause they were killing for enjoyment?
Yeah, also got that impression. Hungry little critters... Or maybe just the simple fact that when you have that large of a power source to feed from, snapping necks is more fun.
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Amy Pond, it is, perhaps, the single, most important thing in the history of the universe that I get you sorted out right away!
I lol'd
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That's what I've been saying!
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aaah, I loved all the Life + Bob jokes :P
And the last scene was just hillarious
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/funandgames
Go on............. You know you love it :D
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The comic maker didn't work for me :(.
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The first bit with the cake was great. The episode as a whole was solid, but left me wanting somehow. This thing with the "cracks" is getting a bit creepy. Also, he was gonna sort out Amy Pond, the single most important activity in the universe, and then they go to Venice? That was a bit dodgy.
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On the topic of this lat episode:
(I'm using spoiler tags so our American friends dont get anything spoiled :) )
I'm completely glad the monsters when't actural Vampires, im getting fed up with them in certain franchises... other times the vampires can be alright in movies and TV, just glad we kept the extra terrestrial beings instead
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On the topic of this lat episode:
(I'm using spoiler tags so our American friends dont get anything spoiled :) )
I'm completely glad the monsters when't actural Vampires, im getting fed up with them in certain franchises... other times the vampires can be alright in movies and TV, just glad we kept the extra terrestrial beings instead
He mentioned at the start that the problem was that anyone who travelled with him became over-awed by the experience, couldn't return to 'normal' life, and became obsessed with the Doctor, the 'sorting out' he was referring to was with her relationship with her fiancee, which he seemed to do for the most part, though I suspect it will be a recurring theme
Pretty good episode,this week, a bit slow to start, but then, I don't think this series of Doctor Who is actually trying to be the 'one blockbuster after another' attitude that was prevalent near the end of Tennants time, and the advert for next weeks episode very much put me in mind of the episodes of 30 years ago, very Old School Dr Who there, could be interesting.
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This thing with the "cracks" is getting a bit creepy.
That's why it's awesome!
I really liked this episode, particularly after the machine-gun pace of the rest of this season.
"Not vampires. Fish from space." Perfection.
The climax with the switch was pretty sloppy, though.
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I agree, the change from something completely cliche worked.
I was completely surprised during the middle-part of the episode and the episode of a whole left a good taste.
I though it is nice that in this season they don't use computer made monsters that much (in comparison to Series 2 for example, where the monsters would be just simply computer creators. I find that this season has a bit more balance.
Also, I though the trailer was pretty good as well. the "Dream Lord" character gave me that good old Doctor Who feeling of "unexplained mystical power" like Celestial Toy Maker or the Black Guardian.
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The climax with the switch was pretty sloppy, though.
Oh, come on! That was hilarious. All the build up, life and limb, climbing the tower, and he just has to flick one little switch... it's a brilliant use of false tension. Don't tell me you want an RTD-style CGISplosion climax on every ep?
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I'm just loving Amy's fantastic and seemingly never-ending collection of miniskirts. :yes: :yes:
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I actually believe that it's the TARDIS collection...
Thus Doctor's collection...
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Oh, come on! That was hilarious. All the build up, life and limb, climbing the tower, and he just has to flick one little switch... it's a brilliant use of false tension. Don't tell me you want an RTD-style CGISplosion climax on every ep?
God, no! The main reason I didn't like it was precisely because I didn't find it any more satisfying than an RTD deus ex machina. I like it when the Doctor is forced to think his way to a solution. This just made the whole climax feel superfluous.
The rest of the episode made up for it, anyway.
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Another very cereberal episode, and very well done as usual, I will admit to suspicions about who the Dreamlord was, but the end was still pretty unexpected. What got me most was how they managed to mix comedy with what was possibly some of the darkest imagery about the Doctor ever presented.
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I actually suspected the Dreamlord was the Doctor, but deliberately created by him to push Amy and her boyfriend closer together, since I have a feeling that the Doctor realises that these two getting married is a 'must-happen' in the universe, I got the distinct impression that the cracks in time were caused when the Doctor disrupted that the night before Amy's wedding, which raises the question of 'why didn't the Doctor know?', since he normally can sense people who are important to history
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Yes, well, he also was rather a bit confused post-regen......
And yeah, after the slightly disappointing Venice ep, this one was again bloody brilliant.
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This is true, but I'm actually wondering if it's not linked to the fact that the Doctor cannot sense his own future, and whether the reason these two have to marry, and the cracks in time, are something directly linked to the Doctor himself? Once again, a wild stab in the dark, but maybe Amy Pond is the relative of someone like Jack Harkness or River Song? And, of course, there's always the duckless Duck-pond, so two ponds, neither of them being what they are supposed to be, I wonder if history isn't trying to send the Doctor a message?
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Well, I have to say that suprised me.
I was wondering at some points as to whether the 'Dream Lord' was a friend of the Doctors, and he'd called him in order to help get Amy and Rory closer together. Obviously that went out the window when he was going against the Doctor when he was on his won. I totaly didn't expect him to be the doctor though :O.
Also, the end of the episode after the doctor sorts it all out, I noticed the reflection of the doctor in the console was the Dream Lord...?
Well, it looks like Rory is also a full time companion now as well, nice having more than 1 companion :) So. which one dies first? :P
All in all, a very good episode :)
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Well, I have to say that suprised me.
I was wondering at some points as to whether the 'Dream Lord' was a friend of the Doctors, and he'd called him in order to help get Amy and Rory closer together. Obviously that went out the window when he was going against the Doctor when he was on his won. I totaly didn't expect him to be the doctor though :O.
Also, the end of the episode after the doctor sorts it all out, I noticed the reflection of the doctor in the console was the Dream Lord...?
Well, it looks like Rory is also a full time companion now as well, nice having more than 1 companion :) So. which one dies first? :P
All in all, a very good episode :)
i recon the dream lord was the doctor, remember this is a dream so nothing stopping there being two representations of anyone or anything in it, the doc said the dream lord was the his greatest enemy and i always figured the the doc in all his guises saw things this way.
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i recon the dream lord was the doctor, remember this is a dream so nothing stopping there being two representations of anyone or anything in it, the doc said the dream lord was the his greatest enemy and i always figured the the doc in all his guises saw things this way.
That's what the Doctor said, isn't it? He pretty much flat out stated that the Dream Lord was his own demons personified
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Yes, he stated quite emphatically at the end of the show, after he'd 'blown up the Tardis' that the dreamlord was the creation of psychic(sp?) pollen that had gotten into the system and was feeding off the Doctors dark side, stating that had it latched onto Amy or Rory it would barely have survived a few moments, which implies there's a lot of darkness hiding somewhere in the Doctor
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Yes, he stated quite emphatically at the end of the show, after he'd 'blown up the Tardis' that the dreamlord was the creation of psychic(sp?) pollen that had gotten into the system and was feeding off the Doctors dark side, stating that had it latched onto Amy or Rory it would barely have survived a few moments, which implies there's a lot of darkness hiding somewhere in the Doctor
He did commit genocide against two races, that's a big blemish right there.
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More than two. The doctor wiped out his entire race along with the Daleks and everything else created during the Time War.
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And let's not forget the Gelth, the Carrionites (kind of) and various other races/groups throughout the course of his life ;)
It's interesting that the Doctors fear of being the 'hand of God' stretched back as far as the Tom Baker days, when he had the chance to obliterate the Dalek race once and for all and found that he couldn't ;)
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And let's not forget the Gelth, the Carrionites (kind of) and various other races/groups throughout the course of his life ;)
It's interesting that the Doctors fear of being the 'hand of God' stretched back as far as the Tom Baker days, when he had the chance to obliterate the Dalek race once and for all and found that he couldn't ;)
There's never "once and for all" where Daleks are concerned, wiping them out completely is an impossibility. It's simply because it wouldn't be dr. Who without an occasional run-in with the Daleks so they'll always find a way to bring them back :)
As for the doctor's fear of being the "hand of God", someone should tell him that's Baltar already so he's off the hook..
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:lol:
I just hope they don't get too carried away with the 'angsty Doctor' persona, it was all getting a bit too emo for my tastes by the end of Tennants tenure, and part of what I liked about Smith was the return to a more vibrant, energised Doctor, pulling out his dark side and feelings of self-hatred for his failures once in a while is fine, as long as it doesn't become the centre of the writers' attention.
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While I am glad that they quickly put the whole "romance" subplot to bed, I doubt we've seen the last of it. I wouldn't put it past the writers to off Rory somehow to revive that tension. That said, it was a touching scene when she explained how she knew it was a dream before they did what they were going to do with the bus.
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While I am glad that they quickly put the whole "romance" subplot to bed, I doubt we've seen the last of it. I wouldn't put it past the writers to off Rory somehow to revive that tension. That said, it was a touching scene when she explained how she knew it was a dream before they did what they were going to do with the bus.
The dude had placed the wedding inside the TARDIS. We are so going to see Rory again.
But on to the latest episode. Anyone can say anything about the latest episode, but the scene where van Gogh sees hi's own work in 2010 makes my day. With the french guy explaining how he just loved hi's art, one of the best scenes of the season so far.
Damn you UK! This is the last straw!! No free games for your fellow Europeans? Why don't you just leave the EU if you aren't going to be buddies...
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The games will be released to everyone, they're exclusive to the UK at the moment which I suppose is fair since we were the ones who paid for them.
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"What does the scanner say?" "Nines, lots of nines!"
This is hilarious, somehow.
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So just what is so dangerous that EVERY alien race the Doctor has ever defeated will send a fleet to Earth at the SAME TIME?!?!?!?
We gotta wait a week... :ick:
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Yeah, now it's getting really interesting.
After all for the Daleks to work with anyone it MUST be a huge threat
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I'm not certain if they turned up to stop whatever it is, or to serve it...
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The Daleks don't serve anything...they even killed their own creator...twice.
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They will serve if it suits their purpose, as it did in Victory of the Daleks, I wouldn't put it beyond them to be willing to accept an enemy as undefeatable for now, their prime drive is to survive as well as dominate, maybe with time they could dominate, but I think they would, when faced with an obviously superior enemy, choose survival first and wait for an opportunity.
Of course, on the other hand, the only enemy that could unite these races against it would probably be the Doctor, which really does raise some very, very interesting questions as to Who this new foe is ;)
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We need to wait.
I'd imagine everyones turning up to serve.
Turning up because they're drawn without a choice.
Anything else bar unified resistance. Cybers and Daleks will NEVER team up.
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Oh dear lord, if the new retro Daleks will somehow be killed within this season, I'm so going fix my broken sonic screwdriver.
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This brings another question, who built that mystery time machine?
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What I did find funny was when the hologram appeared and the Doctor said "Please state the nature of your emergency.."
Little nod to the Doctor from Voyager there ;)
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This brings another question, who built that mystery time machine?
Well if we could include the audio books of Big Finish Productions, we know that there was another ten temporal powers in the universe before the Last Time War. As the ship didn't use dimensionally transcendental technology, but rather just deception filters, that simply leaves us with too many possibilities in my opinion.
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Oh, he died... :( (Rory)
Only up to episode 8 in Australia, and yes I could watch the rest online, but I've only jumped ahead one when it was a double episode. Now back to what's on TV...
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At the risk of sounding like a fanboy, is there anyone else out there who gave up on Doctor Who during Tennant's stint and went back to watching the Hartnell years?
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Nope.
I wasn't particularly fond of the original Dr. Who, all the 'dials' it turned up to 11 were off switches for me.
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I liked early Tennant, but later on in the series it got a bit too angsty and self-pitying for my tastes, I think he picked the perfect time to leave, however, because I do believe that further Tenant episodes would have slowly dropped in quality until it got boring.
Hartnell was a unique, and under-rated Doctor to be honest, and the special effects of the time didn't do him any favours, but he was a highly cereberal Doctor, far more inclined to use his brain to solve a problem than his future incarnations (this was, however, partly because he was pretty old and couldn't do energetic stuff), and the understanding of science at the time seems a little 'quaint' by our modern standards.
My favourite was Baker, partly because I grew up with him as the Doctor, and partly because he had Douglas Adams writing some of his stories, which was a perfect combination with Baker's personality, but I do, however, have a lot of respect for later Sylvester McCoy episodes, mainly because it was the man himself who insisted the Doctor got more adult and manipulative in his manner and whilst the series ended under him, he did a lot that helped the new episodes come back aimed more at older audiences rather than as something like the 'K9' series on childrens TV.
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Or the Sarah-Jane smith adventures on CBBC.
The only thing going for that show is Sarah-Jane smith. . . . She's not "too old" and would probably welcome the attention of a money grabbing younger man. ;)
And you just know her sonic lipstick has a vibrate setting lol.
I'm not even drunk.
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I think Tennant, like Eccleston was a fantastic Doctor Who actor, ruined by what was the destrucity of RTD...
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I've never seen the original serials, only the 2005 onwords revival..... :nervous:
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"I'm missing something obvious, something right in front of me"
"Yeah, you probably are"
*poke*
I rofl'd
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Amy died...but it'll all somehow be magically back to normal next week,
or another cliffhanger.
which will PISS ME OFF!
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Well, I certainly do hope that it'll get resolved in a better fashion than the last few series finales.....
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Before I watch the episode, which is in the process of being loaded onto my computer and will be done in 84 minutes, is the contents of the big box with runes on it what I think it is?
the Doctor
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Not quite.
BTW, when does the next series air?
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That was simultaneously the best and worst cliffhanger ever...
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interesting episode but I smell a glaring plot hole
how in the alliance's thinking is sticking him in the box superior to just killing him, I mean they had enough fire-power there to make sure he never gets back up again and it would have had the same effect, stop him flying the tardis.
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Regeneration?
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i suppose but i'd have thought at least the darleks know the limitations of the timelords from the time war
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Depends on how much they know.
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Here's another question: Who was remote controlling the tardis?
And this episode still doesnt explain River, how there could possibly be another Time Lord outside of the timelock.
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Here's another question: Who was remote controlling the tardis?
And this episode still doesnt explain River, how there could possibly be another Time Lord outside of the timelock.
That just requires that the Time Lord died during the war or was on the Gallifrey during the end. It is not the only time the Doctor's "powers" "of sensing Time Lords" hasn't worked.
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Here's another question: Who was remote controlling the tardis?
And this episode still doesnt explain River, how there could possibly be another Time Lord outside of the timelock.
dont know about river but we didn't see the master be destroyed or sucked into the timelock so it could have been him
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Umm...the voice that was saying "Silence Shall Fall!" sounded an awful lot like
The Black Guardian
. But that may just have been me.
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Can't wait till next week to find out how he gets out of this one. I know it's Time Travel, but I hope they don't go Brennan/Braga on us :)
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I liked the episode but had a few glaring faults of my own with it... some of which have been covered here:
1. It was glaringly obvious from the start that the Doctors enemies were there for him. Daleks and Cybermen and all manner of others flying alongside each other without anyone firing? I don't think so.
2. I kinda figured that it would be the Doctor who was inside the box when it opened. A mythical warrior with the blood of galaxies on his hands? Sounds like him to me. Interesting twist to have it be a trap rather than contain something from the word "go". However we can only assume that for once he's totally screwed without outside assistance...
3...That said, why not just kill him? Or demand the TARDIS?...
4. THAT said... these are some of the "baddest" baddies that the Doctor has ever faced, and they didn't have the intelligence to see that the Doctor and the TARDIS are not one and the same? That even by capturing the Doctor, they hadn't located the TARDIS? Seems like fuzzy thinking to me.
5. Was someone remote controlling the TARDIS? I must have missed something but I don't understand why it suddenly felt a burning need to explode *or* start flying weirdly.
6. IS River a Time Lord? When did that happen? I understand that she was/is/will be his wife but that doesn't mean she's a Time Lord. Just that she was taught how to fly the TARDIS and learnt to understand how time travel works.
6. How long till the Master / other Timelords show up?
Next week should be interesting...
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Let's not forget the TARDIS has shown itself to have a level of sentience of its own at times ;)
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5. Was someone remote controlling the TARDIS? I must have missed something but I don't understand why it suddenly felt a burning need to explode *or* start flying weirdly.
I think it was mentioned.
6. How long till the Master / other Timelords show up?
Next episode I imagine. There's no way he can get out of pandorica on his own, his tardis is destroyed and his companions are dead. Pretty grim.
(Edit: Looks like the forum doesn't like embedded quotes in spoiler tags. I got rid of the quote tags so as to maintain the spoilers - Kal).
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I'm not certain bringing back the Time Lords already would be a good idea, and I'm not convinced they are going to be involved in any way, just a feeling
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Yeah, I'm rather expecting Rory to do something at this point.
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Rory looks good to do something out of character at the moment, also what happens when a tardis goes up like that I know it breaks the barriers in time, space, reality and the rest of it because this has already effectively been discusses when discussing the cracks and what they represent but what happens after your time stream meets the point of the explosion because I think part of the answer of how the doc gets out of this lies in that aftermath
Use spoiler tags, dammit -- The E
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I'm pretty certain the way out of this lay with Rory, Amy and an engangement Ring, now Amy has essentally remembered someone who should be vanished from Time entirely, that means the damage is not irreperable, if someone can remember somebody who was part of their timeline, and was swallowed by the cracks, then they aren't fully erasing those people. I think the way out will circle around that fact more than anything else, the solution to this problem is more likely to be Human than Gallifreyan
It is worth noting, however, that we did not see the Tardis explode, we only saw a bright light, so I wouldn't even go so far as to write it off yet ;)
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We did see a backdrop of suns going supernova with the Earth in the foreground though. It looks like damage is already being done.
Are we looking at another Paradox Machine-esque ending where fixing the problem somehow means that none of it ever happened at all? Bit of a cop out...
Also, would it be as simple as Rory just letting the Doctor out somehow? Even then, I don't see how. He's not exactly the brightest chap and the Pandorical is supposed to have all kinds of locks and preventative measures on it. I don't get the impression that opening it is as easy as pushing a button on the outside...
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Paradox is possible, after all, if all creation is wiped out, then there's a paradox right there, because without any Universe, there's no Universe to destroy, no Doctor to lock up etc.
This is what I mean by I hope they don't go Brannon/Braga on us, the whole 'reset button' approach would annoy me greatly.
No, I think this is a love story, and I think the answer, at least for Amy and Rory is that where the cracks are concerned, they are running in the wrong direction, but we shall see.
As for the supernovae, I'm not sure what they were exactly (ignoring the whole physics/speed of light thing) maybe the Doctor has been in the wrong universe all along, maybe the Tardis has finally decided to fix the broken Space/Time Continuum, it could really be anything at this stage.
Remember, as far as these cracks are concerned, the Cybermen never attacked London, the Daleks never attacked Earth etc, that sounds to me like one of those Universes was the 'wrong' one
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Interesting fact:
Not only does the BBC site mention quite specifically that River Song travelled to Stonehenge using a Vortex Manipulator as used by Jack Harkness (a device which may still have a role to play), but the final episode airs on the same date in real life as the destruction of the Tardis in the series
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Am I the only one annoyed at the motives of the Daleks in these episodes?
I mean they are, supposedly, trying to save the universe. Can anyone remind me what their last appearance in the last series involved?
Oh, that's right, trying to destroy the universe!
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That's the only thing that bothered me. The Daleks supposedly hate all life - surely they'd be pleased by this turn of events? It would have been a lot more interesting if the Daleks had been the only ones fighting for the Doctor here.
I suppose it could be related to the fact these are the 'new' Daleks which may or may not be different from the old ones in some way other than being slightly bigger and having stupid paint-jobs.
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by my understanding the current darleks are original strain as in what davros first created not the slightly modified versions that davros has created since to try and make them more deadly which is what we have been seeing until this series. In the books and some TV episodes the darleks have shown capable of putting their exterminate objectives aside to further the davros/the empire (yes the the objectives can be contradictory at times) which is how the doctor has survived many encounters.
Also the darleks dont want to destroy the universe, they want to be the master race of the universe and all other universes encountered. that all goes boom, so do they.
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Also the darleks dont want to destroy the universe, they want to be the master race of the universe and all other universes encountered. that all goes boom, so do they.
They tried to literally destroy the universe in the last series. With a reality bomb. As in everything, themselves included, goes boom.
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:O I quite like the new paint job....
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I thought the reality bomb just destroyed all life except that which was within the crucible ship/structure/thing.
ok stand corrected just looked it up and tardis.wika.com states the following
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Reality_bomb
The weapon made use of the Stolen Planets transported to the Medusa Cascade, captured by the New Dalek Empire, along with the unique Z-Neutrino-based energy source of the Crucible. This bomb worked by canceling out the electrical field holding atoms together, and is capable of wiping the entire universe and all of creation; all except for those within or near the Crucible. Once the weapon penetrated the time rift at the heart of the Medusa Cascade, it would spread into every parallel universe and alternative dimension as well. The reality bomb was planned to destroy all other forms of life in every universe - except for that of the Daleks, to make them become the only race in all of existence.
the difference here is there is no escape for the darleks so they still die
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They tried to literally destroy the universe in the last series. With a reality bomb. As in everything, themselves included, goes boom.
Except that that Season finale, and some of the events of that and previous seasons, seem to not have happened in the current season's backstory (note Amy not knowing about Daleks on their first encounter, or any of the other world-changing events of previous years.)
Besides, getting rid of the Doctor should be pretty high on the priorities of any race with martial ambitions. Might have a high enough priority for them to form this alliance to lock the Doc away and then start shooting at each other.
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Amy doesn't have any parents.... Any memories of major events.
The first crack was at her house....................
SHE'S EVIL I TELLS YA"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:shaking:
Still hot though :nod:
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And the duck pond in her village doesn't have any ducks in it! :nervous:
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Amy doesn't have any parents.... Any memories of major events.
The first crack was at her house....................
SHE'S EVIL I TELLS YA"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:shaking:
Still hot though :nod:
Exactly, Amy lived in the house with one of those cracks for years, whose to say which side she is from originally? We never see family, only friends, and I still think there is some kind of link between the Duck Pond from the first episode and Amy Pond, though I couldn't even begin to guess at what. Amy is the key, I'm certain of it, I'm just not sure how....
Edit: I see Wobble noticed that too....
Just a thought, if the Pandorica is created by Amy's mind, does that make her Pandora, is she the one who re-releases hope back into the world?
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Am I the only one annoyed at the motives of the Daleks in these episodes?
I mean they are, supposedly, trying to save the universe. Can anyone remind me what their last appearance in the last series involved?
Oh, that's right, trying to destroy the universe!
Their motives were purely selfish: They wanted to save themselves. They just used the destruction of the universe as a way to rally support. The last time they tried to destroy the universe, they had a bomb shelter aailable to preserve their race. This time they don't, so it's plan b.
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Amy doesn't have any parents.... Any memories of major events.
The first crack was at her house....................
SHE'S EVIL I TELLS YA"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:shaking:
Still hot though :nod:
Exactly, Amy lived in the house with one of those cracks for years, whose to say which side she is from originally? We never see family, only friends, and I still think there is some kind of link between the Duck Pond from the first episode and Amy Pond, though I couldn't even begin to guess at what. Amy is the key, I'm certain of it, I'm just not sure how....
Edit: I see Wobble noticed that too....
Just a thought, if the Pandorica is created by Amy's mind, does that make her Pandora, is she the one who re-releases hope back into the world?
My god! Could she be Pandora from Gallifrey!!?
This is what Braxiatel was warning us about. The Gallifrey audio book series is finally coming to it's ending!
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Could Amy be prisoner zero?!!! Tune in tomorrow to find out!! :lol:
The more i think about it, there's been a lot about perception filters in this series, the tardis has always had one, but in this series, the vampires of venice used them, then the lodger, I think there was even mention of them in the first episode! With Prisoner Zero!
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Could Amy be prisoner zero?!!! Tune in tomorrow to find out!! :lol:
The more i think about it, there's been a lot about perception filters in this series, the tardis has always had one, but in this series, the vampires of venice used them, then the lodger, I think there was even mention of them in the first episode! With Prisoner Zero!
I actually have hated the overusage of that thing. It's like ever sense it was invented in the end of the third serial, there just hasn't been enough places to put it in.
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nice little duce ex machina to end the series on just the small matter of who was controlling the tardis when it blew up
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River Sung!
P.S. I love a thread full of spoilers! :lol:
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nice little duce ex machina to end the series on just the small matter of who was controlling the tardis when it blew up
They did at least make a nod in the direction of (the Doctor) still not knowing why that happened. Hopefully it'll get covered in the next series / Christmas episode.
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Wow that was a really good end of season finale, Doctor and Rory scenes were funny as hell, i prefer him as a companion to amy the banter between him and the doc when amy isnt there is brillant.
I am hoping that the "silence" will be an ongoing thing through out the Steven Moffat reign of DW, like the shadow war from series 1-4 of B5, different stories but all linked by overall arc covering 4 series. That kind of thing!
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OK, I enjoyed it. I like this Doctor and Amy immensely. HOWEVER:
There seems to be a causality paradox going on in this episode. E.g. what started the loop of the Doctor escaping and then flitting backwards in time to tell Rory how to help him escape?
This is why time travel in sci-fi generally drives me crazy - and ordinarily Doctor Who is one of the few shows for which I can totally suspend my mind from reality, but that was a bit much.
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duce ex machina
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Leaving something unresolved for a future episode is definitely NOT deus ex machina. Given that Moffat has stated in Confidential that he knows the whole story of River Song and exactly what she is to the Doctor I find it very hard to believe that he'd miss as major a detail as you are mentioning.
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Well, this was certainly the most entertaining series finale of New Who. Props for not including any of the RTD-style "explain cliffhangers away by having the Doc spout goblets of technobabble rapidly".
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"The one thing you need at a wedding, something old, something new, something borrowed and something blue" and then the Tardis appears!
I LMAO
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duce ex machina
Right, Here we go:
There are four primary forms a Deus Ex Machina can take according to http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DeusExMachina
New Who has a LOT of them.
New Who Series one, Rose absorbs TARDIS Heart
Total Deus Ex Machina.- New Who Series two,
Gate opens and sucks every single dalek and cyberman into the void
arguably a cut and paste Deus Ex Machina. - New Who Series three,
Tinkerbell Jesus Doctor saves everyone thanks to the power of love human thought and technobabble
IMO, a cut and paste Deus Ex Machina - New Who Series four,
K9 being called out at exactly the moment he's needed.
another Deus Ex Machina, not to mention the whole doctor-donna thing.
As for New Who Series five, the time travel doesn't make sense (how did the doctor get out of the pandorica in order to go back and tell Rory how to get him out of the pandorica?)
but overall, I thought it was better (apart from the cheesy ending)
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As for New Who Series five,
the time travel doesn't make sense (how did the doctor get out of the pandorica in order to go back and tell Rory how to get him out of the pandorica?)
but overall, I thought it was better (apart from the cheesy ending)
It's a paradox. No decent time travel show should be without one.
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That was fun.
I'm a little sad it was ultimately another reset button finale, but I suppose not even Moffat can write his way out of destroying the universe.
Now I am doubly curious as to the identity of Captain Silence Will Fall. I wonder if it's whoever the Doctor stole the Tardis from. On that note, I really like that we finally have a multi-series story arc.
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Okay...Who is Mr "No-Name" above...and why doesnt he have a name.
That was fun.
I'm a little sad it was ultimately another reset button finale, but I suppose not even Moffat can write his way out of destroying the universe.
Now I am doubly curious as to the identity of Captain Silence Will Fall. I wonder if it's whoever the Doctor stole the Tardis from. On that note, I really like that we finally have a multi-series story arc.
I doubt it can be whoever the Doc stole the tardis from as just about the entire time-lord race is dead
Minus the Doctor, The Master (Nothing keeps him down) and the Valeyard (The Doctor (Kind of...)...Look him up. Its easier than trying to explain it)
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"The one thing you need at a wedding, something old, something new, something borrowed and something blue" and then the Tardis appears!
I LMAO
I won't lie, I was grinning like a chesire cat.
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It must be remembered that the Doctor is a Time Lord, and I think this episode just went to explain how much better the Doctor is at dealing with moving around in time than humans are.
As someone mentioned earlier, it was kind of a reset button, but used in a good way, rather than just resetting the subject in the next episode, the Doctor actually reboots the entire Universe. I did think, on the Earth without Stars, that history would have wound out utterly differently without them (no Navigation, Astonomy, Astrology etc, and the effects they had on Humanity) but that was tiny nerd-niggle ;)
All in all thoroughly enjoyed the episode, nice to get some consistency and a nice series-length story, kind of reminds me of the Key To Time, looking forward to the next one.
My only concern is the amount of weight being put onto the character of River Song, can't help thinking, whilst she's a great character, that creating a non-regenerating (assumedly) long-term partner for a character that regenerates may be a Pandora's box in and of itself.
Edit: Oh, and I agree with whoever suggested earlier that the oroginal destruction of the Tardis has something to do with River, or possibly even the Doctor himself
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To be honest, the part I liked the most in the episode was the time rewinding part, in particular the moment when the Doctor visits the events of Flesh and Stone, and establishes that the exchange between him and Amy that looked a bit weird in that episode, was in fact him "now" trying to make her remember him.
Also funny that the obsession she has with the Doctor is basically all his fault, and that it was intentional!
Regarding River Song, isn't her character's and Amy's getting a bit too... similar?