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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kosh on May 02, 2010, 06:45:45 am
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Just saw the trailer and it seems like it is going to be worth watching. When I first heard about it I was concerned they were just going to remake the original, but they finally decided to move the franchise offworld so I'm glad they didn't go down that road.
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Link please. :)
And a bit more info as i have no idea what this is all about...
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ditto (im too lazy to google it)
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From what I saw in the trailer, it's a bunch of soldiers from various battlefields, transported to an alien planet, where they are then hunted by multiple predators instead of just one.
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What trailer :p
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igKKWJw88Kk
Yes, and it's good to see the classic Predator mask background noise come back.
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Heh. One actor's first name is Mahershalalhashbaz. How many times do you think they had to redo the poster for this movie before they got it right? :D
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If they're pros, zero.
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Wait it's not "Dateline's How to Catch a Predator... The Movie"?
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I would be more interested if this movie actually had something resembling organized military against those preds. Instead we have this ragtag bunch of humies.
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I would be more interested if this movie actually had something resembling organized military against those preds. Instead we have this ragtag bunch of humies.
We all know that most monster movies can be solved in three seconds with the Steel Rain. It's why they don't use it.
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wasn't the original predator 1 pred vs a platoon?
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That was less than a section strength. A platoon is around thirty guys :p
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One Predator versus an understrength (though, gratned, special forces) squad. There were, what, six of them? At least one of which died not even knowing a Predator was there.
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I'm unconvinced that a proper military would do well vs predators. I mean, they're invisible. Mostly.
The Colonial Marines could, maybe, but that's because they have magic tech.
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That was less than a section strength. A platoon is around thirty guys :p
I thought there was at least a dozen guys at the very start of the movie.
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There were no more than six.
Ahnold, two black guys, Jesse Ventura, the guy with the glasses, and Billy.
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I'm unconvinced that a proper military would do well vs predators. I mean, they're invisible. Mostly.
No amount of invisiblity saves you when over 300,000 MLRS bomblets drop on your posistion exterminating all living things for several acres.
The Steel Rain will find you if you fight, by no other means then the proverbial "flaming datum" when you kill something.
Seriously, the amount of destruction we're capable of, even with only conventional weapons, makes the power of many gods look like a party trick. The Greek and Roman war gods would **** themselves when dealing with modern artillery. The Gotterdammerung is a drop in the bucket compared to 73 Easting.
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I'm unconvinced that a proper military would do well vs predators. I mean, they're invisible. Mostly.
The Colonial Marines could, maybe, but that's because they have magic tech.
Somthin' un-nice out there can we get eyes on the area?
(http://i41.tinypic.com/15s5zm0.jpg)
You bet routing drone to your sector
(http://i44.tinypic.com/iqelvo.jpg)
(http://i40.tinypic.com/1eq77t.jpg)
Target confirmed payload inbound
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2njfxu.jpg)
Nuthin left but dreadlocks, teeth and eyeballs!
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No amount of invisiblity saves you when over 300,000 MLRS bomblets drop on your posistion exterminating all living things for several acres.
Well, right. But AFAICT, preds like staying fairly close to their prey. I mean, I guess if you lose a whole platoon or company or whatever and no longer have anyone nearby then you could paste the area with your MLRS and not care, but otherwise? Also, if you start using that sort of thing, then they might start using their invisible space ships, in which case the nukes will probably come out and all bets are off.
Mind, those shoulder cannons are probably decent anti-air weapons.
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I'm unconvinced that a proper military would do well vs predators. I mean, they're invisible. Mostly.
No amount of invisiblity saves you when over 300,000 MLRS bomblets drop on your posistion exterminating all living things for several acres.
The Steel Rain will find you if you fight, by no other means then the proverbial "flaming datum" when you kill something.
Seriously, the amount of destruction we're capable of, even with only conventional weapons, makes the power of many gods look like a party trick. The Greek and Roman war gods would **** themselves when dealing with modern artillery. The Gotterdammerung is a drop in the bucket compared to 73 Easting.
Yeah, but...living things exhibit a frightening tendency to survive these sorts of barrages when properly prepared.
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The thing about the shoulder cannons is they "appear" to be short ranged. Practically speaking, a plasma weapons range is going to be very limited without a continuous fire mode ala where there is a constant stream of plasma coming from the weapon barrel(IE a beam cannon) because the range would be limited by how fast the heat bleeds away. Not to mention the first time you fire it, you melt your face also.
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1. No Governator.
2. A chick Spec Ops.
3. That goofy looking lead guy (I keep forgetting that actors name)
I sense fail coming.
Speaking of which, we could send in marines to get rid of preddies. But not the regular ones. Or the colonial ones.
(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1686/50658660.png)
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But then the preddies will unleash the
Tyrnaids xenomorphs and that's no good for anyone.
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I'm unconvinced that a proper military would do well vs predators. I mean, they're invisible. Mostly.
The Colonial Marines could, maybe, but that's because they have magic tech.
Somthin' un-nice out there can we get eyes on the area?
*snip*
Nuthin left but dreadlocks, teeth and eyeballs!
They have spaceships you know. Given that they've been able to miniaturize a plasma cannon to fit on a shoulder, that should say something as to how powerful their ship mounted weapons would be.
The thing about the shoulder cannons is they "appear" to be short ranged. Practically speaking, a plasma weapons range is going to be very limited without a continuous fire mode ala where there is a constant stream of plasma coming from the weapon barrel(IE a beam cannon) because the range would be limited by how fast the heat bleeds away. Not to mention the first time you fire it, you melt your face also.
They do have spearguns with lethally sharp spears. There's also the homing disc if it was thrown hard enough.
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But then the preddies will unleash the Tyrnaids xenomorphs and that's no good for anyone.
Have you no faith in the Immortal God-Emperor? HERETIC!
Let the Xenos come. They shall fall beneath our bolts! Spehs Marinz! Battle Brothas! We shall discend upon them in metal bawksez! We shall drive them before us! We are teh Emprahs Fury!
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The thing about the shoulder cannons is they "appear" to be short ranged. Practically speaking, a plasma weapons range is going to be very limited without a continuous fire mode ala where there is a constant stream of plasma coming from the weapon barrel(IE a beam cannon) because the range would be limited by how fast the heat bleeds away. Not to mention the first time you fire it, you melt your face also.
Predator technology is evidently more advanced than that. They exceed our current understanding of physics for one (and only one) very convincing reason: They're in a movie, not a documentary on plasma technology!
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But then the preddies will unleash the Tyrnaids xenomorphs and that's no good for anyone.
Have you no faith in the Immortal God-Emperor? HERETIC!
Let the Xenos come. They shall fall beneath our bolts! Spehs Marinz! Battle Brothas! We shall discend upon them in metal bawksez! We shall drive them before us! We are teh Emprahs Fury!
That would be a good matchup. A better matchup would be the Eldar and the Preds.
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I would expect the eldar to pwnzor the preds, seeing as they have bother moar bettar technology and magic. Though my knowledge of 40k comes from Dawn of War and a handful of novels, so maybe they're less equipped to deal with invisibility than I think they are.
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Invisibility dealing with is surprisingly limited in 40k.
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That is true.
If you wanted to be sure you killed the Predator, while we're on the subject of 40k, you could always whip out the handy-dandy virus bomb. Not saying that would be too good for other people though.
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Well, I don't know about the Eldar, but the SM's would probably level the entire area from orbit. They're real big on overkill.
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Well, I don't know about the Eldar, but the SM's would probably level the entire area from orbit. They're real big on overkill.
:yes:
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Hence the virus bomb. But then again, the first time a lightning bolt struck, the entire planet would go up in a gigantic fireball. oops :lol:
The eldar would probably figure out a way to stuff the Predator in some prison in the Warp.
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Hence the virus bomb. But then again, the first time a lightning bolt struck, the entire planet would go up in a gigantic fireball. oops :lol:
The eldar would probably figure out a way to stuff the Predator in some prison in the Warp.
I was thinking surface bombardment cannons, total destruction over a controlled area.
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Both the Imperium and the Eldar have a counter to Predators: Eldar have Eldrad (http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Eldrad) and the Imperium has Creed (http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Creed). Eldrad will have some ridiculously dickish plan already prepared due to his prescience and him anticipating the arrival of the Predator, including every move he makes, and Creed will make use of his Tactical Genius and will have hidden Baneblades and other tanks throughout the terrain.
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I think my brain melted a bit from being linked to 4chan, but thank God I had my NoScript shields up!
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You were not linked to 4chan.
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I can link to 4chan (/tg/ actually, so not that bad if you can stand nerd rage), and I sort of have to since it is where the Creed meme started.
Somewhat safe for work. (http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/4544432/)
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Pffft...even the lousiest chapter would cream predators.
But methinks the Angry Marines would be best for that.
"POWERFEET ARE FOR KICKING PUSSIES IN THE ASS!!!"
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even without support from space a predator would cream us at our current tech level.
on a tech aspect
Predator plus side
the predators cloak, now its been a while since i have had anything to do with the predator story arc but if it is em based then we have no way of penatrating it as all of out detection tech except sonar is based on the em spectrum.
the edges on most of the bladed items in predators have been shown to slice pretymuch any material we can produce to some degree or another
their visual enhancment tech is at least equal to and most likely superior to ours.
Preaditor tech negative
that plasma cannon is a good show stopper and would prove usefull against armoured vehicles but its use would negate many of the predators tech and skill advantages.
Human tech Advantage
we have yet to see predators use vehicles for planetside combat so a few light vehicles with ap weaponry might prove handy in open terrain.
Human tech Dissadvantage
loud inaccuret weapons
inability to penatrate predators cloak
predator training
raised as young to be hunters operating primeraly solo but also in small team in hostile enviroments against many hostile opponents
human training
trained from young adults to fight in groups against other groups of similar size with little knowlage of combat against solo higly trrained combattants
we would probably win against a hunting party but at a heavy casutly rate, if they chose to invade we would have our arses handed to us
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Preds don't invade. We are useful because we are incredibly dangerous game, nothing more. In AVP2, the one with the blue acid was a game warden, I don't think we've seen Pred military yet.
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Yes we have; what do you think all those hunters would be doing if war broke out?
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Don't predator cloaks make a "blur" when they move? With the right optics and computers I'm sure we could spot that. And what EM band does the cloak work on? It might not be able to mask heat emissions.
And machine guns are very accurate. They just shoot what you're pointing at, so you'd better be able to see the target.
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Don't predator cloaks make a "blur" when they move? With the right optics and computers I'm sure we could spot that. And what EM band does the cloak work on? It might not be able to mask heat emissions.
And machine guns are very accurate. They just shoot what you're pointing at, so you'd better be able to see the target.
the optics would take time to develop, produce and then there is the usability, could you condense thew system down to man portable in time? or would it rely on a field commander + technicians looking at monitors trying to spot the pred and guide the soldier aim?
on weapons fire single shot is pretty accurate and has been for decades but unless your weapon is bolted to something solid it will still jump throwing the following shots off the mark unless you take time to correct your aim.
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In time? I thought this was a hypothetical predator vs. earth military discussion. *Re-reads*
I was thinking you strap a (very expensive and somehow shock-resistant :D ) camera to the gun, plug it in to the iPhone or whatever processing power the marines have on them, and the computer compares the actual image to the expected image (based on previous footage), searching for that specific blurry effect. Then it draws (either on a screen on the gun, or better yet on a Halo-marine-style helmet HUD) an orange silhouette where it thinks there's a cloaked predator. Yes, I'll bet we can do that if not right now, at least in a few years.
Machine guns are either bolted down or on some kind of bipod. Infantry fire assault rifles in very short bursts.
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i say in time because we dont know what that effect would look like so cant pre develop the concept into a workable technology, it would be necessary to take recordings of the effect. from that a mathematical model of the distortion would need to be developed that could be converted into computer code. i say a mathematical model because we are not talking about a solid shape such as an aircraft or tank as has previously been done but a form that changes shape dramatically depending on perspective of the viewer and the stance/moment of the target, so identifying the "blur" would probably prove more reliable. to be honest i dont think an iPhone or similar device would have the processing ability to complete the task quickly.
Finally whatever system is implemented how do you get it to the guys on the front line
I do agree a soldier mounted camera would be a necessity i would suggest a helmet mounted system would be more workable as you firstly don't have the same shock issues you mentioned and it is already done in some forms.
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Maybe you could set a trap with some kind of poison gas, retrieve the cloak, then analyze it at your leisure. And I'm sure all that weird alien technology must have some kind of heat signature.
Getting it to the front lines, I'm not sure. Equip a battalion with them, deploy them, and pull back the ones currently on the front line? IDK how that works. :blah:
Or you could spray smoke everywhere because for some reason predators always use that laser thingy. Then whenever they take aim they'll have three red arrows pointed right at them. :P
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Wait just a second. . . . .
In Predator 2, in the warehouse full of meat. Didn't the government bods use thermal vision on the Pred to track it?
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All I remember from that scene is that the SWAT guys got massacred, I thought because thermal vision didn't actually work.
I mean, if thermal vision worked then surely preds would show up in the human vision mode in the AvP games? No?
Here's wiki's summary of the scene. Maybe someone with a better memory and/or who hates themselves and has seen the movie recently can help:
Keyes finally reveals to Harrigan what he's dealing with, and that he and his team have been following encounter sites with the "other world life form" ever since Alan "Dutch" Schaeffer (the protagonist of the first film, played by Arnold Schwarzenegger) and his special forces team were attacked in the jungle ten years earlier. Keyes and his men are determined to capture this creature for study, realizing its value as a potential means for immense technological advance. Armed with cryogenic weaponry intended to immobilize the creature, they have set a trap for it in a vacant slaughterhouse which the Predator has been raiding for food. The team wear thermally insulated suits to prevent the Predator from detecting them via infrared. However, the Predator simply switches its mask's scanner through a number of different ranges of electromagnetic wavelengths that are available to it, before settling on the ultraviolet spectrum where it is able to see their black lights. The Predator attacks the government team, killing everyone except Keyes. Harrigan, who foresaw trouble, is able to escape custody and heads to confront the Predator.
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All I remember from that scene is that the SWAT guys got massacred, I thought because thermal vision didn't actually work.
It didn't work, but it had other vision modes that allowed it to see the lights they had on.
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So humans never tried using thermal vision on predators?
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Nope. How they defeated its cloaking device was filling the warehouse with radioactive dust. To get around the predators thermal vision mode they wore suits to conceal their thermal signature. It did work, but they thought it could only see in one mode when it had others, which allowed it to see the light beams from the shoulder lamps. Ultimately that's why the trap didn't work.
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Seems to me they should have tried thermal before radioactive dust. Ah, Hollywood is a strange place....
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It wouldn't have helped them. Rewatch the scene.
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I never watched it in the first place. That's why I asked about it.
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You may find it on YouTube.
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Okay got it. They can't spot him even with the cloak disabled. XD