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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rodo on May 14, 2010, 11:44:03 am
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Don't you just love it when this day of the week comes?
In a couple of hours from now... I'll be heading home thinking about how many things I'll be doing this weekend (or how many thing I WON'T be doing this weekend ).
NOTE: I don't tend to have all weekends to expand my laziness so.... It's ok for me to be happy today ;7
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is this the i am high thread?
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yes.
the high on LIFE thread!!!
:D :D :D :D :D
(i'm really happy today as well)
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is this the i am high thread?
mmm... no, I haven't even touched any illegal drug so far (as far as I know).
EDIT: and very few of the legal ones.
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i wonder if anyone ever refers to marijuana as an "illegal drug" without intending to be ironic.
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i wonder if anyone ever refers to marijuana as an "illegal drug" without intending to be ironic.
It's not a legal drug as I see it.
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i wonder if anyone ever refers to marijuana as an "illegal drug" without intending to be ironic.
Marrijoowanna is bad. M'kay?
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:lol:
As for me, summer started 3 hours ago, so it's a special Friday. :D
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i wonder if anyone ever refers to marijuana as an "illegal drug" without intending to be ironic.
Meh, it IS illegal. Doesn't stop me from using it. . .but it's illegal.
I still cringe everytime it's thrown in the same basket as drugs like heroine though.
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I work over the weekend, so this is not as fun a time :p
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I still cringe everytime it's thrown in the same basket as drugs like heroine though.
Anti drug advocates got to have a hand or 3 up there asses twiddling fingers in the good times to place marijuana in the same classification as heroine.
Most of my friends do marijuana. And some things can be told, non addictive, non habit forming, no withdrawal symptoms, and it doesn't negatively harm you.
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Well, inhaling the smoke from anything that is burning isn't exactly healthy, but yeah, Cannabis is very much lumped into a category it doesn't deserve to be in, it is considerably less life-threatening than the two 'legal' drugs, tobacco and alcohol.
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And some things can be told, non addictive, non habit forming, no withdrawal symptoms, and it doesn't negatively harm you.
Excuse me if I contest the bolded part.
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And some things can be told, non addictive, non habit forming, no withdrawal symptoms, and it doesn't negatively harm you.
Excuse me if I contest the bolded part.
and the italicized part.
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Wouldn't negative harm be... good?
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Yes, it does ;)
Seriously though, Marijuana doesn't do nearly as much damage to the body as drinking alcohol or smoking tobacco does, though it's never good to set light to anything and breathe in the smoke as I said.
There's been a lot of argument about cannabis in the UK, with several drug advisors quitting because they are tired of the government using political measures to rate drugs, rather than scientific ones. It should be noted that there is evidence that smoking pot will affect memory ability in those who start before puberty, though it should be noted, this was through tests being done on mice, but the evidence was pretty convincing, but there have been no long-term damage implied in its effect for people who start smoking it afterwards, the bigger risk is the method most people use, either a pipe, or mixed with tobacco, which opens you up to the risk of lung-problems, but, at least the pipe method is much lower risk with regards to heart disease.
It should also be noted there are several 'kinds' of Cannabis, things like 'Skunk' are slightly different from the natural breeds, they contain far, far higher quantities of THC, and, as such, have a more profound effect. The real risk is concentration, particularly when on a 'hangover', whilst I don't have a problem with someone smoking it, I do have a problem with someone, for example, attempting to operate heavy machinery whilst stoned.
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Don't you just love it when this day of the week comes?
I love it, because I'm now engaged in a ritual of making sure that Goob doesn't.
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Now I need to look up more obnoxious facts about five-year spans of time.... ;)
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the long-term health effects are not what i'm concerned about. for all i care, you can destroy your own body if you want to. it's the danger you pose while you are tripping that is the problem.
but for the record i've been told by doctors that there ARE nasty long-term effects of pot, namely a buildup of some kind of sludgy residue on nerve cells that hampers brain signals.
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'Tripping' is nothing whatsoever to do with being stoned for a start, that's the effect of an hallucinogen, which Cannabis isn't.
As for 'sludgy residue', I've not heard anything of the sort, the closest effect to that I have heard is in the case of extreme Methamphetamine users, where dopamine levels are so high that the person is borderline phsychotic. Methamphetamine is a somewhat different animal from Cannabis. Do you have any links to these studies that claim Cannabis leaves a residue on nerve-endings in the brain?
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ok whatever you call it. your mind is in an altered state and impared. and i've got no reason to believe my doctor would be lying to me.
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Your mind's in an alternate state and impaired when you're drinking alcohol too.
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i quite agree. but that is a case against alcohol more than it is for weed.
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Not necessarily. What exactly is wrong with altering your mind's state?
As long as there are no other effects and you can get back to normal afterwards why would it be automatically a bad thing?
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because you do stupid **** and can endanger others. yes, i know there are people who are capable of using intelligently. my main point here is it is NOT completely harmless as many profess. the very fact it's called "getting stoned" speaks to that.
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Getting stoned is just a turn of phrase, like 'getting plastered', it doesn't mean anything other than the fact that the person is under the influence of a large amount of a substance. As I originally said, I wouldn't like someone in that state operating heavy machinery, but that doesn't mean it's actually harming them.
I did a quick search about the nerve cells, and there seems to be nothing, so your Doctor may be confused about things, I certainly cannot find any evidence of accuracy in his claim. Whilst a Doctor may not 'lie' to you, as such (though this is highly debatable, you'd be surprised) a Doctors conviction in a theory isn't worth much without some sort of supporting evidence, there's as much need for that in the Medical community as the scientific community, and opinion is just as broad. Most testable evidence has suggested very little to no damage from Cannabis use by adults, and very often, crimes that are attributed to cannabis have actually been shown to have simply been commited by someone on cannabis, which is not a causal link in anyones' books, unless those books tend to be the more reactionary tabloids.
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The internet doesn't hold info on everything and anything.
Weed is bad. Booze is bad.
Weed is illegal.
Booze isn't.
Stop hitting report post on this topic or i'll lock it up quicker than a trucker hides corpses.
/me goes to clear his inbox.
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That reminds me, I'll have to update my Email address, it's still got my old one on it, otherwise my inbox would be full as well...
Maybe I should just keep the duff one?
And, for whoever is reporting it, I'd like to point out that the day people aren't even allowed to discuss the issue of drugs without facing censorship would be a sad day indeed.
As for what Decker said, I tend to agree with him, though, I'll point out that our Netherlands members would be perfectly justified in disagreeing with him ;) The fact is the legality doesn't make cannabis a 'bad' thing, it just means that in the eyes of the law, you are not allowed to take it, the motivation behind those laws goes a lot deeper, and, as I said, depends on where you are, I'm not here to debate the legality of the matter, I'm here to fight the stereotype that all recreational drugs are one and the same, that they all lead to mental conditions and unpredictable behaviour, if we are ever going to tackle the issue of recreational drugs head-on, then the first thing we need to deal with are our own generalisations and assumptions about them.
Edit: Also, I'll point out I didn't just 'surf the net' for information, I believe I mentioned before that I worked for a while with kids with drug problems, so I had to read up on the stuff to find out what I was talking about, not only did it open my eyes to a degree, but it also gave me a habit of browsing Medical Journals whenever research is done on recreational drugs, so I was pretty certain right from the start that I had never seen any papers referring to the collecting of residue that blocked neuro-transmission in cannabis, but I had seen something similar about Crystal Meth, but just couldn't believe that any Doctor could confuse the two.
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I have heard several reports linking cannabis use to schizophrenia though. Exactly what the link is isn't something I've looked into particularly hard.
It does seem to be something triggered more by skunk than the weaker forms of cannabis though.
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Yes, Skunk is grown in a way that would never occur in the wild, and heavy usage has been linked bouts of paranoia, and occasional cases of schizophrenia as well, however, I seem to recall those studies also being unable to rule out that in the cases of mental health that did occur, it was a catalytic element, rather than a causative one, i.e. the people involved had a 'tendency' towards mental health issues in the first place. Still, the 'super strength' cannabis brands are a slightly different animal to the 'normal' types, and are difficult to rate in the same way.
If people choose not to take the stuff, that's fine by me, I haven't for years, and am unlikely to do so now, but my real concern is the tarring of the entire drug culture with the same brush, it really has to stop, I genuinely think people believe there is a cannabis fuelled crime wave in the world, which, at the very least, suggests that people on cannabis could be bothered to start a crimewave. In my experience, this is highly unlikely.
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because you do stupid **** and can endanger others. yes, i know there are people who are capable of using intelligently. my main point here is it is NOT completely harmless as many profess. the very fact it's called "getting stoned" speaks to that.
Your doctor's dumb. And getting stoned is completely different than getting drunk. Cannabis has no hallucinagens. If someone you know who smoked weed and hallucinated obviously smoked something that was laced with another drug.
Smoking weed is not like speed. Quite the opposite, it makes you calm the **** down and relax. The most you're going to want to do is sit down, hang out for a while, eat some food, invent spongebob squarepants, then possibly go to sleep.
And you're going a little far with the "getting stoned" (quit trying to make it seem like what it's not). Getting stoned is really just feeling the affects of the thc in your system. For why people who smoked weed call it getting stoned is beyond me, there's also "getting ripped", "toking up", and "hitting the bong". Cannabis has a lot more slang when referring to it compared to say something like alcohol and tobacco.
You have a serious misunderstanding of marijuana.
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You'll excuse me if I take my doctor's word over the fking internet.
Honestly I knew this was coming. I'm not sure why I bothered now.
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Weed is worse than smoking. It's more addictive, it retards reaction times and can cause weakness of the heart. Any and all problems associated with smoking normal non-weed related cigarettes are present but at a higher concentration.
No source. But google it.
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What is this "high" stuff about?
All I can say is...yes, Friday is good, and is usually invulnerable to negativity (hey, seems that I've been too addicted to SciFic games that I'm already using these terms...).
The only practical rest day from all the tough work you had in the notorious weekdays.
Just being on-topic :lol:
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it's saturday now, you're late :P
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**** all of you, it's Sunday morning! :D
Weed is worse than smoking. It's more addictive, it retards reaction times and can cause weakness of the heart. Any and all problems associated with smoking normal non-weed related cigarettes are present but at a higher concentration.
No source. But google it.
tl;dr version: **** weed, start smoking roll-ups, kids.
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http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/
Now, for God's sake, will people actually read this before jumping to conclusions about people who do drugs and their health?
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I use caffeine. Yeah, I'm hardcore.
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Heh, that's pretty much what keeps me going these days ;)
To be honest, I don't care whether people choose to take recreational drugs or not, doesn't bother me either way, what does annoy me is the fact that so many people have a really mixed up concept of the effects of marijuana. People always laugh when politicians who claim they want a computer game banned admit that they've never played or researched the game in question in any way (beyond a tabloid headline somewhere along the lines of 'Computer Games Killed Princess Diana and Increase Illegal Immigration!!!!), and yet this seems to be perfectly acceptable stock-and-trade with regards to recreational drugs.
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that's due largely to the fact that "recreational drugs" screwing with your head is not up for debate. they DO. it alters your state of mind and can impair judgment. whether that warrants being illegal is really the issue. honestly i say yes. i really don't even understand why getting high (or drunk for that matter) is considered so awsome.
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Obviously you never have been.
[sarcasm]Next up on the "Make-it-illegal" list: sugar and caffeine.[/sarcasm]
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Music with a strong, repetitive beat also screws with your head, the high levels of adreniline involved with watching a sports contest certainly screws with your head, look at the behaviour of victorious fans after a football match, they are high on adrenaline. Your body produces it's very own 'recreational drugs' inside you every minute of every day, Dopamine, Adrenaline, Testosterone etc, and they all impair faculties to a certain degree.
I'm Tea-Total, I don't touch alcohol, never much enjoyed the stuff anyway, because I never enjoyed the feeling of being drunk, you lose balance, you can't think properly and, worst of all, you are convinced you are far less drunk than you really are. Not all recreational drugs are for everyone, but just because I personally don't like Alcohol doesn't mean that I think nobody else should be allowed to either.
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You'll excuse me if I take my doctor's word over the fking internet.
Honestly I knew this was coming. I'm not sure why I bothered now.
What, you expected to pussy out. No, i just think your doctor heard your question incorrectly or your doctor was wrong about the whole nerve fiber residue thing from weed.
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He was. I can assure you. If information like that was factual, then it would have been all over the Medical Journals and not just on the 'fking Internet', the British Medical Journal covers cannabis studies quite closely because there is a lot of debate of the Government handling of it, and comparisons with the 'Prohibition' that took place in America, where the criminalisation not only increases criminal activity, but actually encourages people to try it.
I did say before that my information doesn't come only from the Internet, obviously someone didn't read that part, but, to my knowledge, there has never been a study that proves permanent damage from 'normal' cannabis, and only tenuous links as a catalyst from stronger breeds, certainly there is less chance of permanent mental illness from smoking Cannabis than there is of getting lung cancer from living downwind from a toxin-producing factory.
It's like the old-wives tale that Alcohol destroys brain cells which never grow back, it's a fallacy, brain cells DO grow back throughout your life, and alcohol doesn't make the death-rate of them any faster, it's a massive over-simplification of fact, but it's a nice, portable, bite-size generalisation, so people stick to it.
Edit: For those who are interested:
http://www.news.com.au/study-finds-alcohol-doesnt-kill-off-brain-cells/story-e6frfkp9-1111113923217
http://www.articlesbase.com/anti-aging-articles/growing-new-brain-cells-and-wiring-them-up-656707.html
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i wonder if anyone ever refers to marijuana as an "illegal drug" without intending to be ironic.
for the record, this post was actually Turambar, and therefor this thread is his fsult and no mine.
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i wonder if anyone ever refers to marijuana as an "illegal drug" without intending to be ironic.
for the record, this post was actually Turambar, and therefor this thread is his fsult and no mine.
How convenient! :p
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Meh, makes a change from Politics and Religion :P
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I'd say this, though mostly about medicine, is mostly over the legalisation of cannabis. :wtf:
I love how this someone generated from someone saying 'TGIF'.
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Well, not the legalisation of it exactly, that's a far more complex subject, but people aren't going to realise that it's complex until they stop thinking that defining the effects of it is a simplistic thing to do.
Personally, I'm more in favour of regulation than legalisation, i.e. similar to Holland, where a shop may only sell a certain amount to a customer, from what I recall, the actual punishment for growing it illegally in Holland or possession of an amount above the legal limit is higher than the UK, that's the trade-off that was made.
As for the TGIF comment, to be honest, I wouldn't have got involved if people hadn't started making generalisations :P
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I need more beer. Two is not enough for a Saturday, especially if one of them is a weak Heinken. I'll probably have a third beer with dinner, probably a Smithwick's.
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It's totally true, i posted as iamzack. Pot criminalization is dumb. Plant's less harmful than tobacco (much less than cigarettes, considering all the **** they put in those) and you can apply the same penalties to doing stupid **** high that you can to doing stupid **** drunk (like driving).
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You'll excuse me if I take my doctor's word over the fking internet.
Except you're not. You're taking your shaky recollection of what he said over hard evidence from medical journals.
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Plant's less harmful than tobacco (much less than cigarettes, considering all the **** they put in those)
This is why I completely do not understand why cigarettes are legal.
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Especially given the amount of people getting screwed over by passive smoking.
The simple fact is that cigarettes are legal because no one knew they were harmful when they first started being used. If they'd only just been invented everyone would be "**** no! We're not allowing that **** to be legal!"
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america loves her traditions.
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Well, not enough apparently as I believe marijuana was legal up until sometime in the early-mid twentieth century.
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All current illegal drugs used to be legal, pre-FDA, IIRC.
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Well, marijuana is especially grievous since there was all sorts of government propaganda about "reefer madness" and the like, which was blatantly false and we're still affected by it to this day.
(FYI, I happen to be somewhat libertarian in my views on drugs and think they should be legalized and regulated much as alcohol and cigarettes are today. All of those "drugs lead to this and that" statements can be just as applicable to alcohol when it is abused.)