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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: headdie on June 03, 2010, 04:42:28 pm
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This is just a vent of frustration but
i seriously need to get a new graphics card as mine is and has for years been corrupting graphics and i think it started not long after an over-clocking attempt (so my own fault) anyway i jumped on ebay half an hour ago to see what i could get to fit my ancient AGP slot (no pci-e support on my MSI KN8 Neo) and i ran into this (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300364893920&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_2677wt_831) but i just cant justify £70 :( :hopping: :mad: :shaking: :snipe: :beamz: :warp:
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An AGP slot? and budget is an issue for you you say?
How about a Radeon HD 4670 IceQ Video Card - (1GB GDDR3, AGP, DVI, HDTV, HDMI, VGA).
That work?
If so, PM me your address, and i'll have it sent out beginning of next week.
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Or, let me know what processor/RAM you have, and i may have a board you can have... an Asus P6T, etc.
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Can you justify £34.04? (http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/512MB-PNY-NVIDIA-GeForce-6200-Graphics-Card-AGP-8x-4-Cores-D-Sub-DVI-I-S-Video-Passive-Cooling)
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that thing is **** if you need ANY amount of power out of it.
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Maybe, but it's a bargain bucket compromise! Although the passive cooling makes me wary!
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I'm looking at GF 6600 as a minimum as 6600 GT 256 MB is what I am sat on right now, not looking at ATI as FSO has ongoing issues with them and I have always found them lacklustre in the past, it has to be AGP to fit in my mobo and needs to have d-sub connectivity for my Samsung Syncmaster 753s CRT monitor. All of these requirements mean that i cant go beyond the 7950 as that was the last card to be built supporting AGP.
As for cooling I have not had a passively cooled card since before I was on my TNT2 back in 2000ish, I only run 2x80mm case fans plus the two in my power supply and I believe a passive system is to vulnerable to 'hot' weather such as what we have in the UK now.
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what about the Radeon HD 4670 that i suggested??? you ignoring my posts?
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what about the Radeon HD 4670 that i suggested??? you ignoring my posts?
Show us an example and price?
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to quote myself
not looking at ATI as FSO has ongoing issues with them and I have always found them lacklustre in the past,
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headdie, there is only one series of cards that has trouble with FSO, (the x1k ones). Every other card is fine.
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headdie, there is only one series of cards that has trouble with FSO, (the x1k ones). Every other card is fine.
fair enough, thanks for that
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what about the Radeon HD 4670 that i suggested??? you ignoring my posts?
Show us an example and price?
An example and a price?
i gave him the model#, and told him it was brand new and offered to ship it to him. what more does he need?
man, it's impossible to deal with you guys. you've got to bed to be able to do something nice. forget it.
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what about the Radeon HD 4670 that i suggested??? you ignoring my posts?
Show us an example and price?
An example and a price?
i gave him the model#, and told him it was brand new and offered to ship it to him. what more does he need?
man, it's impossible to deal with you guys. you've got to bed to be able to do something nice. forget it.
Frankly I do find the total disregard of stealth's offer a little astounding. It's a free video card of excellent quality.
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it's not the first time i've offered something like this. oh well.
also it's brand new. like. sealed.
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IT'S A TRAP! :P
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Damn, if it was only PCI-E, I'd totally take Stealth up on that offer. Someone advised me that the HD 4670 would work perfectly in my current system and be a massive step up from my current X300. :p
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geforce 7800 gts agp there is. My dad had one, it's absolutely great. I think you ought to just save money and get a new motherboard with pcie (but that may necessitate new processor and new ram if you can't find one with pcie that will take your current hardware). I had a cool motherboard back in the past. It couldn't do overclocking or support dual core, but it had sata and ide, and pcie with an agp slot (this agp slot was actually tied into the pcie bus and was compatible with many cards). That's what i did back in the day. Actually you find several good motherboards for cheap that has both pcie and agp.
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Damn, if it was only PCI-E, I'd totally take Stealth up on that offer. Someone advised me that the HD 4670 would work perfectly in my current system and be a massive step up from my current X300. :p
A Radeon HD 4670, with 1GB DDR3? PCI-e, right?
Mongoose - PM me your address. I'll send it beginning of next week.
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Stealth will now parade around as mongoose after the submission of personal information. No one will know who the real mongoose is or ever was. Mongoose will be pitted in a world against him controlled by the net (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Net_%28film%29) changing records and names constantly to keep him from striking back. The government will be unkowingly tracking down the real mongoose while fake mongoose is at home ****ing mongoose's wife. Mongooses wife has slightest idea that she's with a total faker; but will she get her real mongoose back at the cost of her having the best time of her life?
All for a video card, the real mongoose only has himself to rely upon in this conflict to prove that he is who he says he is.
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go steal a better computer already. :mad:
if you dont feel like stealing you can make money via prostitution, then go buy a mobo/cpu/ram bundle, making sure the mobo has semi decent onboard video and a pcie slot. then when you have money for a better video card drop one in.
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go steal a better computer already. :mad:
if you dont feel like stealing you can make money via prostitution, then go buy a mobo/cpu/ram bundle, making sure the mobo has semi decent onboard video and a pcie slot. then when you have money for a better video card drop one in.
This dude needs to set up a help hotline.
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Hey Stealth, are you still offering up that AGP 4670? My only desktop (8 year old e-machine) has the slot for one but I don't have the money to buy one. Still need to upgrade the cpu but at least the gpu wouldn't be a problem.
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actually i don't have the card, i was going to purchase it for the guy.
Hades and Mongoose - you guys go way back with the community - PM me the card you want (i'd assume the most powerful your board can support), and your home address, or an address i can have it shipped to, and i'll purchase and ship your way tomorrow.
if you don't trust me, think i'm an internet stalker, etc. talk to some of the members of the community that have met me in person. Galactic emperor for one.
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Hey Stealth, are you still offering up that AGP 4670? My only desktop (8 year old e-machine) has the slot for one but I don't have the money to buy one. Still need to upgrade the cpu but at least the gpu wouldn't be a problem.
Actually Hades, let me know the specs of that computer. maybe i can send you a good board/processor/RAM combo.
do you have a case you can re-use? as well as hard drive, CD drive, etc.?
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Hey Stealth, are you still offering up that AGP 4670? My only desktop (8 year old e-machine) has the slot for one but I don't have the money to buy one. Still need to upgrade the cpu but at least the gpu wouldn't be a problem.
Just read this.
Send me a link to newegg or tigerdirect for the processor you want, and video card, and i'll have them shipped to you
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Wait what. You're not asking for any sort of compensation?
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No.
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Can you buy me a new PC, house and car while you're at it? :D
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lol not yet man...
i invision a day where i'll be able to do a lot more than i'm able to now (financially) to help friends out, but at the present time my generosity is limited to buying the occasional motherboard or video card here and there :(
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well when my fusion reactor starts cranking out energy instead of neutrons i'll help you out in supplying the members with components ;)
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well when my fusion reactor starts cranking out energy instead of neutrons i'll help you out in supplying the members with components ;)
can you ship me some of them spare neutrons? i need them for an... uhmm... project that im working on.
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you'll have to talk to the ultra-cold neutron source department about that. best i can do is point the unsheilded end in your general direction :D
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Hey Stealth, are you still offering up that AGP 4670? My only desktop (8 year old e-machine) has the slot for one but I don't have the money to buy one. Still need to upgrade the cpu but at least the gpu wouldn't be a problem.
Actually Hades, let me know the specs of that computer. maybe i can send you a good board/processor/RAM combo.
do you have a case you can re-use? as well as hard drive, CD drive, etc.?
Well, I have the e-machine and another case (an old HP, I think it's newer but it doesn't have much in it anyway) and I have a HDD and a cd-drive in the e-machine. I know the specs off-hand but not the size or anything (and it's at my other house, though if it's needed I can get it by Tuesday at the latest) and the specs as they are is:
Unknown motherboard with 2 GBs of memory max, I believe
Integrated Intel Card
60 GB HDD (though, not much of a problem, I think I have a good one somewhere
AMD Athlon Processor with a 2.0 GHz speed (single core)
And the board does have one free AGP slot and an expansion slot to expand upon.
As for the card and CPU I want, I'll look, but if you just have a board lying around (with PCI or whatever and preferably at least 4 GBs of max memory) I'd be grateful.
DIT: Actually, I think I may have another motherboard lying around with a PCI or PCI-E slot but I'll have to take a look, at the same house as he e-machine.
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Hey Stealth, are you still offering up that AGP 4670? My only desktop (8 year old e-machine) has the slot for one but I don't have the money to buy one. Still need to upgrade the cpu but at least the gpu wouldn't be a problem.
Actually Hades, let me know the specs of that computer. maybe i can send you a good board/processor/RAM combo.
do you have a case you can re-use? as well as hard drive, CD drive, etc.?
Well, I have the e-machine and another case (an old HP, I think it's newer but it doesn't have much in it anyway) and I have a HDD and a cd-drive in the e-machine. I know the specs off-hand but not the size or anything (and it's at my other house, though if it's needed I can get it by Tuesday at the latest) and the specs as they are is:
Unknown motherboard with 2 GBs of memory max, I believe
Integrated Intel Card
60 GB HDD (though, not much of a problem, I think I have a good one somewhere
AMD Athlon Processor with a 2.0 GHz speed (single core)
And the board does have one free AGP slot and an expansion slot to expand upon.
As for the card and CPU I want, I'll look, but if you just have a board lying around (with PCI or whatever and preferably at least 4 GBs of max memory) I'd be grateful.
:lol:
go find a pimp :pimp:
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:lol:
go find a pimp :pimp:
He asked for the specs, I gave him the specs. Don't see how that is being what you are implying, though it may help you by being more subtle next time.
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what about the Radeon HD 4670 that i suggested??? you ignoring my posts?
Show us an example and price?
An example and a price?
i gave him the model#, and told him it was brand new and offered to ship it to him. what more does he need?
man, it's impossible to deal with you guys. you've got to bed to be able to do something nice. forget it.
Many apologies Stealth, I misread your post! I thought you were just making a suggestion, not a very generous offer! :eek2: :eek:
Once again please accept my apologies! :(
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Hey Stealth, are you still offering up that AGP 4670? My only desktop (8 year old e-machine) has the slot for one but I don't have the money to buy one. Still need to upgrade the cpu but at least the gpu wouldn't be a problem.
Actually Hades, let me know the specs of that computer. maybe i can send you a good board/processor/RAM combo.
do you have a case you can re-use? as well as hard drive, CD drive, etc.?
Well, I have the e-machine and another case (an old HP, I think it's newer but it doesn't have much in it anyway) and I have a HDD and a cd-drive in the e-machine. I know the specs off-hand but not the size or anything (and it's at my other house, though if it's needed I can get it by Tuesday at the latest) and the specs as they are is:
Unknown motherboard with 2 GBs of memory max, I believe
Integrated Intel Card
60 GB HDD (though, not much of a problem, I think I have a good one somewhere
AMD Athlon Processor with a 2.0 GHz speed (single core)
And the board does have one free AGP slot and an expansion slot to expand upon.
As for the card and CPU I want, I'll look, but if you just have a board lying around (with PCI or whatever and preferably at least 4 GBs of max memory) I'd be grateful.
DIT: Actually, I think I may have another motherboard lying around with a PCI or PCI-E slot but I'll have to take a look, at the same house as he e-machine.
How about this:
--MSI 785GTM-E45 Motherboard
--AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition processor
--4GB OCZ PC6400 DDR2 800MHz
--Seagate 7200.1 750GB SATA hard drive
--Geforce 9800 GT Superclocked video card w/512MB DDR2. PCI-E
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That would be perfect, no arguments here. :)
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do you have everything else you'd need? thermal compound, SATA cables, etc.!?
do you need me to put it together for you, and install the OS, etc. or are you capable of doing that?
if so, PM me your home address
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I really really appreciate the offer, Stealth, but I think I'll pass on it. I don't have the income to purchase new games right now, so there isn't much sense in me getting a new video card for titles I won't be playing anyway. And I honestly wouldn't feel right about foisting that sort of purchase on someone else. Again, though, thanks for the offer. :)
(Plus, I'm not entirely sure which sort of 4670 my motherboard would support...or even what sort of motherboard I have. :p)
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If you are willing to ship to the UK Stealth, I'd be interested!! :D
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I really really appreciate the offer, Stealth, but I think I'll pass on it. I don't have the income to purchase new games right now, so there isn't much sense in me getting a new video card for titles I won't be playing anyway. And I honestly wouldn't feel right about foisting that sort of purchase on someone else. Again, though, thanks for the offer. :)
(Plus, I'm not entirely sure which sort of 4670 my motherboard would support...or even what sort of motherboard I have. :p)
If there's any other hardware i can help you with Mongoose, i'd be willing to...
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I really really appreciate the offer, Stealth, but I think I'll pass on it. I don't have the income to purchase new games right now, so there isn't much sense in me getting a new video card for titles I won't be playing anyway. And I honestly wouldn't feel right about foisting that sort of purchase on someone else. Again, though, thanks for the offer. :)
(Plus, I'm not entirely sure which sort of 4670 my motherboard would support...or even what sort of motherboard I have. :p)
Mongoose - too late, i'd already ordered it for you. I have it here, so send me your address and i'll ship it over...:)
(http://www.f1f3.com/hlphosted/4670formongoose.jpg)
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Mongoose, you're neglecting the fact that you can have fso max out your system, don't forget nexuiz, that can max out your system pretty good too. Free games, think free games until you get money.
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I really really appreciate the offer, Stealth, but I think I'll pass on it. I don't have the income to purchase new games right now, so there isn't much sense in me getting a new video card for titles I won't be playing anyway. And I honestly wouldn't feel right about foisting that sort of purchase on someone else. Again, though, thanks for the offer. :)
(Plus, I'm not entirely sure which sort of 4670 my motherboard would support...or even what sort of motherboard I have. :p)
Mongoose - too late, i'd already ordered it for you. I have it here, so send me your address and i'll ship it over...:)
Wow. I...really don't know what to say. This is amazing. :D I guess I can't really refuse if you've already gone through the trouble of ordering it.
There are one or two reservations I have on the technical side of things, though. My current system is a Dell Optiplex GX280 P4 3.0 GHz HT with 3 GB of DDR2 RAM (which I threw in there myself to replace the original 512 MB). The original video card I'm still working with is a Radeon X300 64 MB in the single PCI-E slot (which is 1.0a, according to my system specs). From what I've heard in the past, I'm assuming that PCI-E 2.0 cards can still function in a 1.0 slot, just with somewhat-reduced capability. I think the motherboard itself supports only up to DDR2, so I don't know if this card having DDR3 RAM would pose a problem. Also, I only have a 250W power supply, though whoever in the IRC channel first recommended the 4670 to me felt like that wouldn't be a problem, since it doesn't require a separate power hook-up.
And just to add one more item onto the pile, this machine isn't exactly the best thing in the world at heat dispersal. (The single variable-speed fan revs up to something resembling a jet turbine every time I'm doing something even remotely system-intensive.) I don't know how well it would cope with a higher-powered video card...though on the other hand, the addition of an extra fan in there might actually help matters. :p
If you think that none of these technical issues should pose a problem, I'll gladly shoot you a PM with my address. Thanks again for this. Whenever I get myself working again, if there's anything you ever need that I can help you with, I'll be glad to. :)
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yeah it's worth a try - shoot me your address and i'll send it over.
not so sure about that power supply, but if i have to send you a new PS i will
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i'm pretty sure you'll be fine. a PCI-E 2.0 card will indeed work fine in a 1.0 slot, i doubt there will even be any performance loss. someone did a test when 2.0 first came out, and even on the highest powered cards of the time, physically blocking half the pins (simulating half the link bandwith) did nothing to benchmarks. i don't imagine heat or power will be a problem either. that card has the latest bells and whistles, but is not exactly a raw powerhouse. your biggest worry is probably your PS having a connector for it, which is easily solved with an adapter. as for the memory, the memory on the vid card is in no way related to your motherboard's memory standard. you could have SIMM for all it cares :P
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Yeah, what the hell, let's do it. If my box randomly turns off as soon as I install the thing, I'll know something went wrong. :p
And Stealth, even if this doesn't work out, there's no way I'd let you track down a power supply too. What you've done is already more than generous enough, and I'd be in a better position than I am at the moment anyway. :)
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ehh i have power supplies lying around anyway. just let me know what type connectors your board requires, and i'll find one that fits...
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Well if you already have spare ones you don't need lying around, and my current supply winds up having trouble with the new card, I'll let you know. I'll just owe you a few additional cases of beer beyond the current tally. :p
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lol no problem, just please let me know in the next 12 hours, because i want to ship this power supply out by noon central time tomorrow, so need to know by then......
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I honestly wouldn't even want to bother you about a power supply unless my current one decided to roll over and play dead when attempting to run the new video card. Whoever on IRC recommended this card to me in the first place seemed to think I'd be fine with a 250W PS, since it apparently doesn't require any sort of additional power connection beyond just the PCI-E slot. And I stumbled across a hardware site review of the 4670 that had their test system for it drawing only something like 170W peak power, which would still be within my limits. For right now, I think I'm all right. :)
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if the card "only" draws 170W peak, you DO realize that there are other components within your computer, such as, say, the PROCESSOR, hard drive, etc. that are also drawing power, right? :p
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No, the power load was for the entire system, not just the card. And now that I looked up the article (http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/hd4670/12.html) again, the number was only 147W, not even 170. If that holds up, I feel like I should (hopefully) be in good shape.
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ok cause i sent a 500W antec power supply anyway :)
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...did anyone ever tell you that you're ridiculously awesome? :D
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hopefully it fits your case :P
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it will. the box is huge, but i peeked inside it before shipping, and the card is like 1/4 the length of the box lol
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i meant the PS. Pre-built computers often have proprietary PSU mounts.
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yeah hope so.
if it doesn't, cases are cheap enough that you could go get another case for $40
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Well however it works out, I'm incredibly grateful for it. :) I'm kind of hoping to squeak by with the current power supply, so I may not even have to worry if it doesn't fit.
(Also, I shudder to think what sort of mangled mass of tangled cable I'd create if I attempted to shift this entire system to a new case. :p)
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it's really not difficult at all. you can't screw it up unless you're trying, and it doesn't need to be pretty.
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All righty...the package arrived today. First off, Stealth, you're the utter master of packaging materials; it took me a good twenty minutes to get through all that. :p (Woo bubble wrap! :D) Unfortunately, as Klaustrophobia surmised, the power supply you sent doesn't fit in my case...not only is it a bit longer than the spring-clip mount can handle, but the actual plug input would be covered by the case's sheet metal. That aside, I successfully installed the new card, and it seems to be running properly, at least for the moment. The fan's pointed straight downward sort of halfway into my wireless card, which makes me wonder how the airflow will work out, but there isn't much I can do about that anyway. I haven't given the system a real graphical workout yet (MV_Advanced hooo!), but if I start experiencing instability, I'm guessing the PS would be to blame, and I'll take the next step of looking into a new case.
Again, Stealth, you're the man. :)
(Strangely enough, my case didn't come with any screws for securing cards laterally, so I have a slightly-too-small one stuck through the hole to hopefully provide some extra stability. The plus is that it probably won't wobble as much, since I no longer have to use the DVI-to-VGA adapter with the direct VGA port.)
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My HD 4870 just died and War in Heaven is only a few tiny tweaks from completion!
:nervous:
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Noooooooooooooo!
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Okay, this is just amazing. I didn't even know it was capable for FS2_Open to run at such a silky-smooth framerate...and with normal maps on, no less! And Portal looks so...shiny. I'm like a kid in a candy store right now. :D
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Noooooooooooooo!
No, no no. Like this.
NOOOOOOOOO!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s)
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NOOOOOOOOooooooOOOOOOoooooOOOO (http://vadercoaster.ytmnd.com/)
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hehe glad it's working out for you ;)
yeah hold onto the power supply. you never know when you may need it.
and that card is probably one of the best you can get on PCI without going to PCI-e