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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Scourge of Ages on June 21, 2010, 11:36:42 pm
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Padme Amidala was queen, and then a senator for one of the more prosperous planets in the civilized galaxy. She could have easily bought and sold Anakin's mom 20 times without the royal treasury so much as blinking!
But for 8-10 years or whatever, she left the mother of the kid/jedi/manchild she loved to rot on the arse-end of the galaxy. She couldn't have spared three days to run over, buy her (for cheap too), and bring her back to the palace? She could even have sent a servant or something and a shuttle to do it!
"Happy birthday, Ani! Here's your mum!" Joy all around, no dark side, no Darth Vader.
No Emperor Palpatine, no Empire, no Rebellion(s). The Vong? Waxed before they could so much as say "Resistance is futile."
But noooooooooooo, trillions of people dead, worlds burned to glass, etc. etc. all because one little girl was too busy to rescue somebody's beloved mother from life/death on the place furthest from the bright spot in the universe.
*This random thought brought to you by the random things you think about in the shower*
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The prequels sucked, get used to it.
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:wtf:
Why were you thinking about Padme Amidala while you were in the shower?
NOTE: No, I haven't watched Star Wars, but someone had to say it. :lol:
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Why not.
;7
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lol, prequels
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Perhaps she didn't think of it?
I mean, it's been, what, 11 years since the first of the prequels came out? This is the first you've thought of it? There were only 10 years to come up with this on her end (and she had MUCH bigger problems to worry about).
Plot-holes can generally be explained by the characters simply not thinking of doing something a certain way. Obviously the writer didn't think of it, so the optimum solution slipping a character's mind isn't out of the realm of reason.
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Padme Amidala was queen, and then a senator for one of the more prosperous planets in the civilized galaxy. She could have easily bought and sold Anakin's mom 20 times without the royal treasury so much as blinking!
But for 8-10 years or whatever, she left the mother of the kid/jedi/manchild she loved to rot on the arse-end of the galaxy. She couldn't have spared three days to run over, buy her (for cheap too), and bring her back to the palace? She could even have sent a servant or something and a shuttle to do it!
"Happy birthday, Ani! Here's your mum!" Joy all around, no dark side, no Darth Vader.
No Emperor Palpatine, no Empire, no Rebellion(s). The Vong? Waxed before they could so much as say "Resistance is futile."
But noooooooooooo, trillions of people dead, worlds burned to glass, etc. etc. all because one little girl was too busy to rescue somebody's beloved mother from life/death on the place furthest from the bright spot in the universe.
*This random thought brought to you by the random things you think about in the shower*
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aaarrrrrghwheardgkfflkarkdgkahrwhahraggaghrakehageioagfioea!!!
Yeah, prequels were dumb. :blah:
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Republic credits were no good on Tatooine. :nervous:
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Okay. So Amidala uses her Republic credits to buy some precious gemstones or other portable, valuable goods, and then trades those for Shmi. Do you think Watto would have turned down some gold bars if he was offered them for Shmi?
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Okay, now try to make a Queen/Senator who has lived in the lap of luxury for her entire life to make the logical roadmap to that point.
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Dellow Felegates!
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Burn the Jar-Jar; purge that foul alien from Star Wars!
Okay, now try to make a Queen/Senator who has lived in the lap of luxury for her entire life to make the logical roadmap to that point.
Padme, who seems somewhat down-to-earth judging by the fact she participated in the front lines of the assault to retake the Royal Palace in Theed, and who probably has some experience with the dirty business of reality due to her work as a Senator, should know that gold and gems can be almost as good as money. She isn't an airhead, so she probably realizes how expensive and valuable the items she possesses are.
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HIGH GROUND IS SUPERIOR
YEARS OF TRAINING, FORCE POWERS AND LIFESAVERS CAN'T SAVE YOU FROM FOUR FEET OF DIRT AT A SLIGHT INCLINE
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It's the +1 to hit, Anakin always got sucky rolls.
Possibly because it was a sucky role...
BaDoom Tish!
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Perhaps she didn't think of it?
I mean, it's been, what, 11 years since the first of the prequels came out? This is the first you've thought of it? There were only 10 years to come up with this on her end (and she had MUCH bigger problems to worry about).
Plot-holes can generally be explained by the characters simply not thinking of doing something a certain way. Obviously the writer didn't think of it, so the optimum solution slipping a character's mind isn't out of the realm of reason.
She met this woman in person and was told that she had a bomb in her head and lived a life of suffering.
Unless there was some political reason she couldn't help the Hero and Savior of Naboo, brand-new Amazing Jedi Anakin Skywaler, get his mom out of slavery, there is simply no excuse for her not 'thinking of it'. She would have had months after the Naboo incident alone to think about Shmi and use her effectively limitless power (she just got the Chancellor elected) to do something. And the whole inevitable kerfuffle around Anakin would make it inevitable that she'd have near-daily reminders of his mom's position.
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by the same token, anakin could have gone back and done the jedi thing. or qui-gon could have snatched her. i'm sure we could go on, but it's a MOVIE!
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calling it a movie is a disservice to the art of the motion picture.
I think this can be explained by the fact that every living creature in the lucasvurse seems to have a negitive IQ, and 'didn't think of it' seems totally in the realm of how astonishingly stupid every character in the franchise has been.
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The RedLetterMedia review makes an even more interesting point. When Qui-gon found that Anakin's owner wouldn't accept Republican credits and wasn't susceptible to the Jedi Mind Trick why didn't he just go to someone who was, buy something of equivalent value and sell it on to him. :D
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Because then you couldn't have the rediculous racing scene. :P
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The Force made them all forget these and other seemingly important details so that the chosen one could flip his **** and restore balance. Padme knew that having Shmi around would be a sure-fire jedi cock-block. If they had freed her from slavery, Palpatine would have had to import Sand People to rape her to death on Coruscant, stretching the suspension of disbelief. They actually did come to Tatooine to free her but Watto was trying to score with Aunt Beru so they said they'd come back later but then they deleted the planet from their star charts and then this ****in' clone war broke out and **** was busy.
It all makes perfect sense I don't get what you guys are complaining about May the force be with you which it is because bacteria
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I swear if I ever get my hands on billions of dollars, I'm remaking these movies properly.
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calling it a movie is a disservice to the art of the motion picture.
No, see, "movie" is exactly the right name for it. It is, after all, a series of moving pictures.
Film, however, it is not an appropriate title to call the prequel movies.
But yeah, there are pieces of massive stupidity in Star Wars - more so in the prequels, but also in the originals. How about this:
"I'm sure they're tracking our ship. Let's fly right to the Rebel base after I've spent days resisting Imperial interrogation techniques, keeping the location of said base a secret, despite the fact that they have just demonstrated their ability to destroy entire planets on a whim. I'm not even sure we can find a weakness in the blueprints stored in R2-D2, much less in a margin of few hours, but I guess we just have to find something..."
That's the most glaring example of idiocy I can think of right now, but there are others as well. Like snow speeders that don't work in cold. Or Luke just leaving his X-Wing in the swamp for days even after he encountered Yoda, and never thought to ask if they could maybe do something about it before the thing was completely submerged in mud and water.
However, the original trilogy is actually entertaining series of well made films, and the same cannot be said of the prequels. They're just a slide show of different environments, with negligible character developement and not much of a plot to speak of... and they even left the most interesting stuff away between the Attack of the Clowns and the Revenge of the Steaming Pile... namely, the Clone Wars.
If you want proof of this, just see how successful the Clone Wars animated series was. :nervous:
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calling it a movie is a disservice to the art of the motion picture.
How about this:
"I'm sure they're tracking our ship. Let's fly right to the Rebel base after I've spent days resisting Imperial interrogation techniques, keeping the location of said base a secret, despite the fact that they have just demonstrated their ability to destroy entire planets on a whim. I'm not even sure we can find a weakness in the blueprints stored in R2-D2, much less in a margin of few hours, but I guess we just have to find something..."
I was this close to going back and helping those people (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzoeEdW-EDQ)
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Turambar, I want you to include this in your version of the prequel movies
(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100315154549/starwars/images/6/65/JarJar-Carbonite.jpg)
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I was this close to going back and helping those people (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzoeEdW-EDQ)
:lol: Oh that was AWESOME!!!
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But wait... Judging from the fact that Shmi and Lars had a son that's almost as old as Anakin when he comes looking for her, it can be guessed that she earned her freedom relatively soon after Anakin kicked ass in the pod-race.
Hence there may not have been a need to go and bust her out, because Lars did that for everyone.
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I happen to like the Darths and Droids explanation for Shmi's freedom. As soon as Anakin got a lightsaber, he got Obi-wan to take him to Tatooine, where he cut off Lars's leg since Lars initially refused to purchase and free Shmi, and Anakin did this because he was a leader of a teen crime syndicate and he wanted his mom freed.
For those who don't know, Darths and Droids is a Star Wars version of DM of the Rings, except in Darths and Droids the GM is letting the players do their own thing instead of railroading them like in DM of the Rings. Of course, players who aren't railroaded into following the plot will royally **** the plot up so much it isn't recognizable.
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Because then you couldn't have the rediculous racing scene. :P
Hey, that racing scene led to the only good thing to come out of that movie: the Episode 1 Racer game. :p
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Nothing in the prequels makes sense, anyway. Even if Amidala never thought of rescuing Anakin's mom, you'd think Anaking would do it. He certainly never had a problem breaking regs when something personal enough was at stake. As a Jedi in training he did have access to resources such as ships equipped with hyperdrive and a lightsaber.. realistically, the only two things he really needed if he wanted to go and set her free. Saving your mother from a life of slavery by force is a lot less wrong then wiping out an entire village of sand people, women and children included. I doubt Watto would give much thought about setting her free and removing that explosive device in her skull if a pissed jedi in training looked like he'd slice him up if he refused. So even if Amidala never "thought of this", it was Anakin's mom. If it never occured to him to go awol for a few days to rescue his own mother, he really was a dolt.
Another of my favorites would be the jedi not being allowed to marry or form attachments, have children, etc. Ignoring for a moment the fact that they do get rather emotional in their every day routine anyway, sensitivity to the force seems to be largely genetically inherited - if a father, mother, or both were strong in the force, chances are their children will be too. Great suicidal policy, dimwits..
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Same reason the girl didn't have an abortion in that Juno movie.
No one wants to watch a 20 minute movie where the characters make the decisions that end it. :P
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I swear if I ever get my hands on billions of dollars, I'm remaking these movies properly.
Please don't forget to spend a tiny fraction of it to buy the FreeSpace license and pay :v: to make FS3. Thanks in advance.
Regarding the actual topic (:rolleyes:), next to the always-quoted RedLetterMedia reviews, the ConfusedMatthew (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xInGZOsC5dk) ones and the Distressed Watcher (http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/teamt/dw/dwr/21146-phantom-menace-01) (AKA Amazing Atheist) ones might worth a look as well.
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ConfusedMatthew was surprisignly watchable :nervous:
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One (8 sec) take on Mace vs. Palpatine...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn8MZgZmeT4&feature=related