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So... why would the GTVA name a corvette after the traitorous leader of the GTI Rebellion?
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I can see The E was already reading, hope to read a reply. I never realized Glaive was the who led the old GTI rebellion. Maybe the ship carries that name with a good reason.
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So... why would the GTVA name a corvette after the traitorous leader of the GTI Rebellion?
Two reasons.
1. We honor traitors for their prior service even today (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Robert_E._Lee_(SSBN-601))
2. Think of how crappy Terran-Vasudan relations have become post-Capella. Do you think the name could be taken as a political statement?
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With that in mind, maybe there should be a Corvette called "McCarthy" in WiH: p2 then lol
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So... why would the GTVA name a corvette after the traitorous leader of the GTI Rebellion?
He also happened to be an extremely effective leader of the GTI during the Great War and the T-V War. His ultimately failed traitorous behavior does not wholly erase what he accomplished while loyal.
Plus, as the Battman notes, he was a human. Just as we remember Bobby Lee because he was ultimately an American and a very talented officer regardless of his cause, so here.
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With that in mind, maybe there should be a Corvette called "McCarthy" in WiH: p2 then lol
That would make a lot of sense. McCarthy arguably was forward-looking and was the first to attempt to reconcile with the Vasudans in preparation for the Shivan threat.
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Wouldn't the Vasudans be the ones to honor him with a vessel then?
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As long as we don't get a GTD Alpha 1. ;)
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As long as we don't get a GTD Alpha 1. ;)
He's probably still a living admiral, so I'm not sure if he can get a ship named after him yet. :P
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As long as we don't get a GTD Alpha 1. ;)
He's probably still a living admiral, so I'm not sure if he can get a ship named after him yet. :P
Maybe FS2's Alpha 1 is the guy the former-SOC guys were trying to rescue?
Or maybe that was Snipes?
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That was Al'fadil. Anyway, Alpha 1 may well have been one of the SOC pilots who died in the attempted rescue. I don't know.
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That was Al'fadil. Anyway, Alpha 1 may well have been one of the SOC pilots who died in the attempted rescue. I don't know.
Eh? Was that ever stated? If so, when/where? If not, quit making stuff up.
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It is stated. In the debrief, I believe.
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Well uh... how old was he?
Maybe he was FS2's Alpha 1 :lol:
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As long as we don't get a GTD Alpha 1. ;)
He's probably still a living admiral, so I'm not sure if he can get a ship named after him yet. :P
Or he died in the Capella supernova, a hero.
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Or he's Admiral Steele.
:nervous:
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As long as we don't get a GTD Alpha 1. ;)
He's probably still a living admiral, so I'm not sure if he can get a ship named after him yet. :P
Or he died in the Capella supernova, a hero.
I assumed such as possible, as I think FS2 had two endings?
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Or he's Admiral Steele.
:nervous:
:jaw: It all makes sense now!
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No, it doesn't. Read Steele's Dossier.
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Way to ruin the fun, Dilmah!
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How do we know Al'fadil wasn't FS2's Alpha 1?
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Given almost 20 years passed since Capella, it would be safe to say that the retail Alpha 1 would've been an Admiral by this said time. That and being the commanding officer of the Blue Lions, i dont see how one would've turned down that honor.
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Given almost 20 years passed since Capella, it would be safe to say that the retail Alpha 1 would've been an Admiral by this said time. That and being the commanding officer of the Blue Lions, i dont see how one would've turned down that honor.
Well keep in mind that Xinny and Zero were around at the same time and certainly aren't Admirals.
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Given almost 20 years passed since Capella, it would be safe to say that the retail Alpha 1 would've been an Admiral by this said time. That and being the commanding officer of the Blue Lions, i dont see how one would've turned down that honor.
Well, he might've finished his tour of duty, handed in his uniform, found a lovely little wife and had some kids on Beta Aquilae, and that'd be the end of that chapter. :P
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Given almost 20 years passed since Capella, it would be safe to say that the retail Alpha 1 would've been an Admiral by this said time. That and being the commanding officer of the Blue Lions, i dont see how one would've turned down that honor.
Well, he might've finished his tour of duty, handed in his uniform, found a lovely little wife and had some kids on Beta Aquilae, and that'd be the end of that chapter. :P
But he's Alpha 1!
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As long as we don't get a GTD Alpha 1. ;)
Well we've had a Hammer of Light cruiser named Alpha 1 :P
Also I assumed that the 'captain' that Xinny, Zero and crew were trying to save was Snipes too (I know he was a commander in FS2, but he could have been promoted).
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Also I assumed that the 'captain' that Xinny, Zero and crew were trying to save was Snipes too (I know he was a commander in FS2, but he could have been promoted).
It was specifically stated that it was Captain Al'fadil, either in the mission itself as one of the intercepted messages, or, more probably, in the debriefing IF you let yourself be shot down by Zero and Xinny.
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Given almost 20 years passed since Capella, it would be safe to say that the retail Alpha 1 would've been an Admiral by this said time. That and being the commanding officer of the Blue Lions, i dont see how one would've turned down that honor.
Pretty easily, if you wanted to stay in a fighter cockpit. Nobody's going to argue with the man I should think. I would have put Alpha 1's probable rank at Captain, probably CAG for a destroyer or a battlegroup.
Well, he might've finished his tour of duty, handed in his uniform, found a lovely little wife and had some kids on Beta Aquilae, and that'd be the end of that chapter. :P
He doesn't have to hand in the uniform for that either. :P
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Also I assumed that the 'captain' that Xinny, Zero and crew were trying to save was Snipes too (I know he was a commander in FS2, but he could have been promoted).
It was specifically stated that it was Captain Al'fadil, either in the mission itself as one of the intercepted messages, or, more probably, in the debriefing IF you let yourself be shot down by Zero and Xinny.
I should have said that I assumed that it was Snipes before I saw whatever it was that said that it was Al'fadil. My bad.
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Given almost 20 years passed since Capella, it would be safe to say that the retail Alpha 1 would've been an Admiral by this said time. That and being the commanding officer of the Blue Lions, i dont see how one would've turned down that honor.
Well keep in mind that Xinny and Zero were around at the same time and certainly aren't Admirals.
Maybe they all grabbed a fighter craft for old times sake to safe Al'Fadil, hard to say. They supposedly went rogue but that might only be the official report, I can imagine they were told "if you die, you went rogue, if you succeed, you get a medal".
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That actually makes a lot of sense, since it later comes out that the Titan they were based on didn't really retreat to Delta Serpentis, but rather hid in the asteriod belt.
If they just declared they are on an official mission, that might have given away this ruse and ruined the ambush the ship made later on.
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Well I don't think it matters what excuse they used, when your friend is in need, you come running. No questions asked.
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Given almost 20 years passed since Capella, it would be safe to say that the retail Alpha 1 would've been an Admiral by this said time. That and being the commanding officer of the Blue Lions, i dont see how one would've turned down that honor.
Well keep in mind that Xinny and Zero were around at the same time and certainly aren't Admirals.
Maybe they all grabbed a fighter craft for old times sake to safe Al'Fadil, hard to say. They supposedly went rogue but that might only be the official report, I can imagine they were told "if you die, you went rogue, if you succeed, you get a medal".
Either way, they couldn't all have been admirals.
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Wait, if Command is promoting people to Admiral, does that mean he wants their opinions?
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Wait, if Command is promoting people to Admiral, does that mean he wants their opinions?
Nice one.
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I would too, if I were Command.
When the red shirts know that things are out of control, and the higher ups don't (or pretend they aren't out of control), something is wrong.
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GTVA- "FFFFUU- We're taking losses. Send in.. Alpha 1."
-Alpha one warps in-
-You spot Alpha 1 and close in-
THE CLASH OF TITANS! As each superhuman ace duels for the fate of the war, each side watches in awe. Fighter Gods, weaving a magic spell of violence.
And then a supernova kills them all.
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Yeah... wait, what ?
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When the red shirts know that things are out of control, and the higher ups don't (or pretend they aren't out of control), something is wrong.
I'm not sure you actually played FS2 anymore. :P
That was one of the defining features; there was always a plan in FS2, and it was always workable. In FS1 there was a long period where there wasn't a plan.
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I think we can all agree that Alpha 1 would not make for a particularly effective admiral, what with all the books he's been ordered to read.
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When I played freespace2 Alpha 1 dies in the supernova explosion of Cappella. Therefore, Al'faddil cannot possibly be Alpha 1.
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I don't recall a place where any member of the BP team has ever said which ending to FS2 with regards to Alpha 1 is canon.
I also don't recall you being on the BP team.
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You must understand, whatever ending I personally encountered is cannon for everyone... forever. /troll :lol:
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I think the BP team intentionally left out any references to Alpha 1 so that both canon endings for the Freespace 2 campaign are possible. They may have left in a character who could be Alpha 1.
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But but... i m alpha 1 and the nova didn't kill me! i killed the NOVA ! but no one was left behind to notice it.
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If I recall Al Fadil is Alpha 1's commander for a short time.
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alpha 1 died in the supernova and ascended to a higher level in order to, among many holy other things,
harrass Laporte's brain into fighting the GTVA.
DUN DUN DUUNN.
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Or he's Admiral Steele.
:nervous:
:jaw: It all makes sense now!
That is now my personal canon...even if it contradicts everything else
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If I recall Al Fadil is Alpha 1's commander for a short time.
he's Samuel Bei's commander. Who was AN alpha one, but not THE alpha one.
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He was that too, I know that. However if I recall he was also the FS2 Alpha 1's commander.
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He was that too, I know that. However if I recall he was also the FS2 Alpha 1's commander.
Then you have to prove it.
You should never forget that there are multiple Alpha 1's. Due to the fact that every squadron has an Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta wing (and so on)....
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No, Al-Fadil is a BP-only creation, he was not present in FS2.
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He was that too, I know that. However if I recall he was also the FS2 Alpha 1's commander.
I think you are mixing up Al Fadil with Snipes here. Snipes was (FS2) Alpha 1s wing leader in an SOC mission.
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I'm Iota 17 ;7