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Title: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: Narwhal on August 24, 2010, 03:40:01 pm
Hi there, people.

I am sorry I cannot put more work on the campaign list as planned, I am not a student anymore. But at least I try to keep it updated.

There is an horrible high number of campaigns in the wiki campaign lists. Yet, only an handful of them get mentionned again and again on the forum as "classic" (Derelict, ST:R, Procyon Insurgency, BP and probably a few others). Long story short : a newcomer would not know by which one to start, might take, say, a less-than-average one to try the "user-made" campaigns, get disappointed, and leave forever.

Since actually giving grades to campaigns is difficult without changing the wiki engine (like they do for instance here (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Conservapedia:What_is_going_on_at_CP%3F)), could we agree on :

- Creating a separate page for the "best of the best" campaign that passed the test of time ? This page would be introduced either from the (current) campaign page (top of the page), or by an new "disambiguation" page after selecting "user-made campaign" on the first page
- On the short list of selected campaigns, that should include I would say the 10 best campaigns, the campaigns needing to be at least one year old (to avoid adding every new campaign to be polite and to make sure they have the time to be debugged). Alternatively, a yearly vote by the whole communauty (not only us who go in the FreeSpace Wiki section) would be even better.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: TopAce on August 24, 2010, 05:22:39 pm
This kind of subjective stuff belongs to the forums. If one is interested, he'll ask around here, as it happens frequently.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: Aardwolf on August 24, 2010, 11:52:33 pm
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Conservapedia:What_is_going_on_at_CP%3F

Ewwww.

Oh wait, that's a humorous criticism of the Ewwww one, never mind :p
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: Narwhal on September 01, 2010, 09:15:19 am
This kind of subjective stuff belongs to the forums. If one is interested, he'll ask around here, as it happens frequently.
Well, obviously not so many people interested.

 "Subjective" is a fair claim, but I don't believe EVERYONE ask around here. I actually think most people don't drop by the forum. I signed in AFTER having playing several user-made campaigns, including fortunately Derelict (and other poor campaigns I cannot remember).

There are non-objective stuff on the wiki, for instance the... featured campaign thing. All campaigns don't get to be featured at launch, only the better ones.

Of course, the best solution would be to be able to rate the campaigns in the campaign list, but this would require an engine overhaul.

Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: Solatar on September 01, 2010, 03:14:05 pm
I actually feel that, based on this discussion, a sticky thread in the Missions and Campaigns section may be appropriate.  We'll all suggest and deliberate in the thread, and the original post with the list can be updated and changed.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: General Battuta on September 01, 2010, 05:43:06 pm
I actually feel that, based on this discussion, a sticky thread in the Missions and Campaigns section may be appropriate.  We'll all suggest and deliberate in the thread, and the original post with the list can be updated and changed.

I dunno. An 'era' list of campaigns with descriptions of what they are might be in order, but...beyond that I'm not so sure.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: Solatar on September 01, 2010, 08:43:24 pm
It's not a perfect solution, but given that we want new players to come to the forums for information, we need a sticky.  Otherwise, every newbie that shows up will have to start their own thread.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: BlackDove on September 04, 2010, 08:04:18 am
Since this crap is subjective anyway, maybe you post a poll where everyone can select 3-5 of their favorite campaigns (or more depending how many there are on the list), and then you just put up a sticky thread in a forum or a page on the Wiki that says:

"Community recommends" or some **** like that, with the rank ordering the outcome of the poll, being a top 10 or 15 or something.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: Mobius on September 04, 2010, 11:02:38 am
Fine, but may not work as desired unless campaigns are sorted depending on their genres. Imagine a newcomer coming here, playing FS2, looking for a custom made campaign to play, being told to play Windmills and then coming here shouting "So that's what modern campaigns are like? I want something similar to the original FS2!".

No offense to Ransom and/or Windmills, obviously: just saying that short descriptions are necessary. Thanks to them, people will be free to choose campaigns depending on their personal tastes.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: BlackDove on September 04, 2010, 11:33:05 am
Descriptions can be copypasted from the Wiki right?

I found the assembly here quite nice.

http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Campaign_List
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: General Battuta on September 04, 2010, 11:43:27 am
I really don't like the idea of having any sort of community-sanctioned 'best campaigns' list. Enjoying something is a very personal experience, and I don't think we want to create a situation where newcomers just play the same set of campaigns - it'd create a vicious cycle where a small set of campaigns get played and talked about over and over, while the rest get frozen out.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: BlackDove on September 04, 2010, 11:56:32 am
I don't really see what changes, or how it corrupts the already existing system. Once it's done and written somewhere conclusively, plus aggregated with a maximum amount of membership votes, it would solve;

a) People posting threads asking for what to play, or what the community would recommend them, and

b) The actual recommendations would be more meaningful, because instead of getting 20 replies, you would potentially have access to more than 100 with a fixed list (or more, depending on how many people voted).
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: Mobius on September 04, 2010, 12:18:25 pm
Descriptions can be copypasted from the Wiki right?

I found the assembly here quite nice.

http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Campaign_List

Uhm, not really like those, IMHO. If a campaign is unconventional, like Transcend, or reflects FreeSpace's style completely, like in Warzone, it should be specified.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: General Battuta on September 04, 2010, 12:20:54 pm
Descriptions can be copypasted from the Wiki right?

I found the assembly here quite nice.

http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Campaign_List

Uhm, not really like those, IMHO. If a campaign is unconventional, like Transcend, or reflects FreeSpace's style completely, like in Warzone, it should be specified.

plzno

I don't think anybody should be establishing any norms.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: Droid803 on September 04, 2010, 02:32:10 pm
I really don't like the idea of having any sort of community-sanctioned 'best campaigns' list. Enjoying something is a very personal experience, and I don't think we want to create a situation where newcomers just play the same set of campaigns - it'd create a vicious cycle where a small set of campaigns get played and talked about over and over, while the rest get frozen out.

Agreed.

Descriptions can be copypasted from the Wiki right?

I found the assembly here quite nice.

http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Campaign_List

Uhm, not really like those, IMHO. If a campaign is unconventional, like Transcend, or reflects FreeSpace's style completely, like in Warzone, it should be specified.

plzno

I don't think anybody should be establishing any norms.

and Agreed.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: BlackDove on September 04, 2010, 03:04:26 pm
You've yet to present a valid argument for your positions though.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: General Battuta on September 04, 2010, 03:12:44 pm
You've yet to present a valid argument for your positions though.

I just don't like the potential for drama. Vote gaming, people getting discouraged, people *****ing about the list...keeping everything open just feels more wise.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: BlackDove on September 04, 2010, 03:21:25 pm
While I certainly understand why you would have little confidence in the community at large to handle themselves in the face of something like this, I do not condone yielding to any potential positive development that solves a long standing issue, due to fear, pessimism and hypothetical negative expectations.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: General Battuta on September 04, 2010, 04:05:21 pm
While I certainly understand why you would have little confidence in the community at large to handle themselves in the face of something like this, I do not condone yielding to any potential positive development that solves a long standing issue, due to fear, pessimism and hypothetical negative expectations.

But I'm not entirely sure it would do anything that's not already done. Everyone seems to go play the 'big campaigns' right off anyway, and most of those are considered the better campaigns too.

Plus the Installer provides a nice bundle of fairly well-maintained campaigns.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: Qent on September 04, 2010, 04:28:59 pm
Who gets to decide what's "good" and how? I found Transcend to be an outstanding campaign, but Sync to be only average; and I'm sure that many think exactly the opposite. DEM and JAD are excellent series, but I would insist that the newcomers who need this list play with FRED, mod a bit, and maybe even lurk on the forums before playing them. SGWP2 was very enjoyable, but I wouldn't let one of these newcomers play it straight after retail lest it give the wrong impression of fan-made campaigns in general.

Instead, how about a small team of reviewers?
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: TopAce on September 04, 2010, 04:52:26 pm
I'd actually like to see a Campaign Review Board, with long-winded reviews by multiple reviewers as opposed to short, nondescript posts that are typically abundant in release threads, but not on the Wiki, but here at the forums.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: Shade on September 04, 2010, 05:36:28 pm
I'm basically with TopAce and Battuta on this. Feel free to do stuff like this on the forums if you want, but the wiki really isn't the place for it. When it comes down to it, it is entirely subjective which campaigns one might find good, average or bad. And while the FS wiki is by no means wikipedia (and thank heavens for that), like it or not, it isn't a discussion club either.

That said, within the articles of the individual campaigns in question it would be perfectly ok to add a 'player comments' section, where you could add a text snippet (and I do mean a snippet, not a  novel) informing the general public of your opinion. Several articles already have this, and as I see it that represents the best way to comment on the worth -or lack of it- of a campaign within the wiki format.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: BlackDove on September 04, 2010, 05:40:00 pm
While I certainly understand why you would have little confidence in the community at large to handle themselves in the face of something like this, I do not condone yielding to any potential positive development that solves a long standing issue, due to fear, pessimism and hypothetical negative expectations.

But I'm not entirely sure it would do anything that's not already done. Everyone seems to go play the 'big campaigns' right off anyway, and most of those are considered the better campaigns too.

Plus the Installer provides a nice bundle of fairly well-maintained campaigns.

It would simply streamline the process. Yes, it wouldn't do anything new, which is why I'm all for it.

What it would do is provide a quick and efficient way to deliver information to any new players, without the need for feedback exchange. Things that can be tutorialized or automated, and information that can be compiled in order to inform more easily, is definitely the step that takes precedence over any and all fears of community repercussions to such a solution.

The installer may provide a nice bundle, yet there are still many that post here asking for exactly this information, and who knows how many that do not register and post.

When it comes down to it, it is entirely subjective which campaigns one might find good, average or bad.

Not when you compile all of those. Then it's statistic. And there are no talks of discussion either, just cold hard compiled data.

A statistic that has worth directly proportional against how much one may value the community. If you believe everyone in the community is a retard, obviously the statistic's worth would not be favorable.

On the other hand, if you believe the only thing this game really has left, is its community, well...
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: Qent on September 04, 2010, 06:26:11 pm
What about the ratings on FSMods then?
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: Mongoose on September 04, 2010, 07:26:57 pm
This whole discussion reminds me of the music site Overclocked ReMix, and why they've never implemented numerical rankings for their individual music tracks.  The justification for this is that the site's creator doesn't want fans missing out on content they'd personally enjoy just because it's unpopular and/or heavily-criticized, but instead encourages them to try out new material and make such determinations on their own.  Granted, there's an inherent ease-of-entry difference between a four-minute song and a many-hour campaign, but I think the same principle still applies.  I think the current system of wiki page comments and lengthier forum reviews works just fine for our purposes.

(Actually, I personally don't believe on assigning numerical ratings or rankings to any entertainment products I consume, as I'm of the opinion that a single numerical value doesn't convey anything useful.)
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: General Battuta on September 04, 2010, 07:31:46 pm
I just don't like this idea. I don't want to see campaigns fighting for votes or ratings. I don't want to see lobbying. I don't want to see bickering over the bottom few spots on the Mighty List.

It seems like it has the potential to do more harm than good.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: headdie on September 04, 2010, 07:42:19 pm
I just don't like this idea. I don't want to see campaigns fighting for votes or ratings. I don't want to see lobbying. I don't want to see bickering over the bottom few spots on the Mighty List.

It seems like it has the potential to do more harm than good.

I have to agree on all points there, as a community we all know what is good and what is not and as proven recently all somebody new has to do is post a thread asking what is the best out there and there will be inundated with good answers.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: Mobius on September 04, 2010, 07:47:13 pm
Maybe it wouldn't work as an official list on the Wiki because of its nature, but would probably work on the forums as long as each review is connected to its author and does not represent the opinion of this community as a whole. At that point, the more campaign reviewers, the better.

And one number, as we all know, isn't enough. The most detailled reviews analyze multiple aspects of a game (usually 4+) and each one of them is rated independently. A similar may be used to rate campaigns depending on their FREDding, plot, graphics, mods, length, etc. etc. so that people looking for something specific can easily find it.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: Droid803 on September 04, 2010, 08:08:35 pm
Last thing we need are campaign makers trying to cater to the masses and get up the list instead of telling their own story.

People should pick what they like themselves. We do not need a numerical representation of the supposed superiority of campaigns over others.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: General Battuta on September 04, 2010, 08:12:15 pm
I think there's a much greater need to spotlight a few campaigns that don't get talked up. Uncharted Territory, for instance, is one that I think deserves a lot more play.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: Goober5000 on September 04, 2010, 11:53:23 pm
Once it's done and written somewhere conclusively, plus aggregated with a maximum amount of membership votes, it would solve;

a) People posting threads asking for what to play, or what the community would recommend them, and
We have no shortage of new users asking questions without reading the sticky threads already, as Jeff Vader and The E can attest.


Instead, how about a small team of reviewers?
I really like this idea.  Does HLP have enough critical mass to start something like the old VWatch Archives series of reviews?  Those were excellent guides on what to expect when playing a mission, and they also had the bonus of reviewing poor and less-played missions as well as good and frequently-played ones.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: Mobius on September 05, 2010, 09:29:18 am
I'm afraid it could degenerate into elitism, but still remains a very good idea. I support it. :yes:
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: Narwhal on September 05, 2010, 09:43:33 am
(Almost) everyone is against the short-list obviously. Fine - Let's drop the idea.

Both remaining solutions are good in my book. They have drawbacks, but they are better than the current situation.

I am personally more in favor of a user-made notation system. I believe the communauty is mature enough to avoid fanboyism and cheating (esp. if you need to be "logged" to vote), and I believe a system giving not only the "score" but also the number of votes would lessen the vicious circle of people only playing and thus voting for the campaigns having which received the most positive votes (as people would see that only say 5 persons played the campaigns, so the grade is not significant and the campaign might be worth a try).
I don't think people would make campaign "to please the communauty". I do believe that it will tend to people playing mostly the same campaigns, except for true fans - but I have no problem with this if people do actually play MORE campaigns (in total) that way. There is also the small problem with the wiki not allowing this as of yet.

Or else, everyone who ever participated on this thread go on the wiki and actually comment the campaign they played in the "Player comment" section of campaign pages :)

The problems with the "dedicated testing team", beyond a problem of principles for some of us (not me), is that 1. it is time-consuming for the tester 2. the communauty is too small : many members have contributed to some campaigns and know personally / are working with other people who together have been involved in most campaigns.
Also - how to choose them. The most proeminent members - with the most legitimacy - are either coders (who have little time) or campaign-makers (who also have little time and are involved).
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: Narwhal on September 05, 2010, 09:50:57 am
Edit : Double Post
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: Mobius on September 05, 2010, 10:21:59 am
I'm not sure about the lack of free time, really. I work a lot on what I'm involved on but still can find enough time to play and rate.

You probably won't believe it, but I was actually planning to write my own campaign reviews, post them on ModDB and then add links here.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: Narwhal on September 05, 2010, 10:42:30 am
You probably won't believe it, but I was actually planning to write my own campaign reviews, post them on ModDB and then add links here.[/color]
I believe you  :D
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: BlackDove on September 05, 2010, 12:01:26 pm
A statistical compilation of a simple vote to the effect of "I recommend this campaign", which already occurs all the time, eliminates any subjective degrees and opinions of given works. It also evades any negative remarks. It is simply an endorsement for whatever people like, and nothing further, which is as close as you're going to get to a clean impression from others.

Suggesting for people to give campaigns scores, and to "review" them, means that you have chosen to step into an entirely different area where personal opinions and judgment play a factor, something that doesn't transpire to a large degree when you're just compiling a "likes" list.

The current status of the gaming industry serves as proof that most people who actually get paid to review games are notoriously bad at it, and in general lack the necessary skills required in order to give informed reviews. Placing that power into the hands of random general people on this board, is a notion that borders on the psychotic, as there's no real way to even evaluate general competency of every given "reviewer".

Confusing reviewing legitimacy, integrity and experience with coders and campaign makers is an error of significant proportions. Being a coder or a campaign maker does not grant any qualifications whatsoever to make informed opinions or rationalizations towards any given work.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: Mobius on September 05, 2010, 12:10:03 pm
But many community members have years of experience: IMHO our reviews will probably be of high quality, really.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: General Battuta on September 05, 2010, 12:22:24 pm
The whole idea is terrible. This will lead to no end of drama and hissyfits.

I think we should be less srs about things. No reviewers, no databases, just an anarchic collective!
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: Droid803 on September 05, 2010, 12:37:31 pm
But many community members have years of experience: IMHO our reviews will probably be of high quality, really.

Is that wishful thinking I hear?
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: Shivan Hunter on October 07, 2010, 02:08:08 pm
 :bump:

So, you know how opinions about lighting settings are totally subjective and no-one will really agree on what's the best one? We should have a collective page of different people's preferences about lighting settings, and a short description of why the user prefers them, so newbies can get a good idea of what they'll get out of the experience!

[/sarcasm]

So, after introducing a newbie on IRC to the wonderful world of FS campaigns, I do think a "preferred/community favorite" campaign list is a good idea. But it's all subjective and no-one will be able to agree on a single list, so why don't we set it up like the lighting settings page?

Here's an example of what I have in mind:
Quote
[USER]'s Favorite Campaigns

Short description of what about these campaigns the user likes

Campaign 1 (with link to FSWiki page): Short description of campaign 1
Campaign 2 (with link to FSWiki page): Short description of campaign 2
Campaign 3 (with link to FSWiki page): Short description of campaign 3
For instance, here's a preliminary subject-to-change version of mine:
Quote
Shivan Hunter's Favorite Campaigns

These campaigns focus on storytelling above gameplay and are usually told in a setting and tone similar to Freespace 1/2.

Derelict (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Derelict): One of the classic FS campaigns, a suspenseful experience with interesting characters. And duct tape!
Transcend (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Transcend): A horror campaign from an unusual perspective in the 103rd Shadow Guardians. Excellent writing. One of HLP's must-play campaigns.
Windmills (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Windmills): An experimental short campaign, but an epic one. You are not a pilot, but a tactical commander leading a wing into some difficult choices.
Vassago's Dirge (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Vassago%27s_Dirge): A short, beautifully dark campaign about a Shivan destroyer set during the events of FS2.
Operation Templar (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Operation_Templar): An older campaign. A short but sweet look into the victory over the Hammer of Light, and a good FSPort campaign.
Silent Threat: Reborn (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Silent_Threat:_Reborn): It's like Silent Threat, but it has an actual plot, excellent mission design, and voice acting!
Blue Planet: Age of Aquarius (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Blue_Planet:_Age_of_Aquarius): A well-polished campaign with excellent story and great gameplay about the 14th Battle Group's epic journey back to Earth. Includes awesome voice acting.
Blue Planet: War in Heaven (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Blue_Planet:_War_in_Heaven): A dark, grim campaign about the GTVA's war with Sol, told from Sol's perspective. Only partially released.

These could all be arranged on the same page, where people could get a good idea about both which campaigns are popular (appear in most people's lists), which are best (which consistently get the most praise), and also the wide variety of FS campaigns
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: General Battuta on October 07, 2010, 02:36:26 pm
dear shivan hunter,

i am deeply hurt that you did not use the word 'beautiful' to describe [a campaign i have a stake in]. your obvious favoritism towards [another campaign] is just a sign of how far this community has fallen. you are part of the system that oppresses [campaigns of a certain type or made by certain people]

screw you,

persecutta
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: Droid803 on October 07, 2010, 02:51:10 pm
This is why it will never work!
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: Shade on October 07, 2010, 04:00:40 pm
Or rather, why it should not be in a place such as the wiki. Campaign reviews could possibly work just fine in some other location (the entire board we have which, unlike the wiki, happens to be dedicated exclusively to campaign and missions releases comes to mind as one option), but why this insistence on using the wiki for it?

By the way, if eventually you do decide to use said board (or another HLP board) for it, drop a note here and I'll move the topic there to keep the discussion where things are happening. While I can't do anything such stickying it once it's there (I'm but a forum mod, not global), I can at least do that much.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: Mongoose on October 07, 2010, 06:13:59 pm
I think the difference with the lighting settings page is that the whole jumble of available command-line options can produce certain objective characteristics that can be documented via screenshots.  It's not really saying, "These are the lighting settings that the community likes best," but instead, "Here are some sample combinations, and here's how they affect the game's appearance."  It's sort of a different setup than trying to formalize some sort of best-of list.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: Black Wolf on October 10, 2010, 11:11:03 am
Put your lists on your own page on the wiki, then link to it any time anyone asks for campaigns they should play. Simple, and it kills two birds with one stone (gets them their campaigns, and makes them realize that there's a wiki for freespace.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: Mongoose on October 10, 2010, 12:46:11 pm
Now that I like. :yes: Let's get some personal review list pages going, so that we don't have to type out the same exact comments twenty times.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: Mobius on October 10, 2010, 12:55:59 pm
Seems an interesting compromise. :yes:
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: Shade on October 10, 2010, 01:36:49 pm
Put your lists on your own page on the wiki
No objections to that particular solution. The wiki's personal pages are their owner's personal playground as far as I'm concerned. Within reason, of course. Anyone posting porn there will be banned! Right after copies are made for, uh, evidence.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: Narwhal on October 11, 2010, 12:00:10 pm
Put your lists on your own page on the wiki, then link to it any time anyone asks for campaigns they should play. Simple, and it kills two birds with one stone (gets them their campaigns, and makes them realize that there's a wiki for freespace.
Great idea. Sometimes the simplest solution is the best.

I did just that. While doing it, I noticed there was several campaigns I played I had absolutely no recollection of (Transcend, Boomerang,...)

http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/User:Narwhal
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: TopAce on October 11, 2010, 01:13:53 pm
I thought you played a lot more campaigns than that.
Title: Re: Short list of outstanding campaigns
Post by: General Battuta on October 11, 2010, 01:23:12 pm
I really liked Procyon Insurgency's gameplay (like, enjoyed it fantastically much) but all I can remember about the plot was that it was the NTF with Vasudans (Bosch is now a Vasudan admiral,
Spoiler:
the secret goal that the rebellion is a cover for is to find Ancients through a Knossos instead of Shivans through a Knossos
) and it ran into this massively problematic stealth eavesdropping mission that really killed the momentum.

A-grade campaign, though, definitely one of the best out there. Badass FREDwork and an admirable commitment to gameplay agency, although I remember CP and I had a talk about one of his regrets about the campaign, which was that the whole thing basically rewarded Stiletto or Treb spam above all else.

It also had that awesome massive installation assault at the end.