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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: StarSlayer on September 23, 2010, 09:04:49 am
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Hell Yeah (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sJrCxD3Zz0&feature=player_embedded)
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...what
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Yes.
Any idea what its western release date is?
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Looks epic.
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Um... sorry for my ignorance of this but is that a real movie? The effects look great but the whole thing seems just ridiculously cool :wtf:
Was that made of a manga or something?
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Based on the '70s/'80s anime series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Battleship_Yamato).
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looks awesome, hope someone does a decent English dub
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Just from that trailer, I am impressed--the Gamilons' ships actually look alien this time around. They aren't some super smooth battleships that appear to be based off of terran ships.
I hope there's good starfighting, too.
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Whoa, that looks good.
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This reminds me so much of this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato_%28film%29).
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This reminds me so much of this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato_%28film%29).
are you for real
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This reminds me so much of this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato_%28film%29).
are you for real
replace aliens with americans, and then they're not that dissimilar, looking at that trailer
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you know two words i think of when i hear the word yamato. they are EPIC and FAIL. putting it in space just increases the font size on the fail part. i mean theirs a reason we nuked them.
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i mean theirs a reason we nuked them.
'cause nukes are cool? :nervous:
As long as it's funny, I'm okay with it. Looks alot like BSG though.
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looks awesome, hope someone does a decent English dub
:snipe:
Dubs are for kids who can't read.
The trailer is super cheesy. Guess they stay true traditional japanese cheesyness.
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Cool effects, not sure I get the story but still, cool effects.
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Dubs are for kids who can't read.
Dubs are for people who would rather watch all the explodey things than read. :nervous:
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Epic engrish in the first video...
I suppose somebody set up them the bomb?
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Are all our base belong to the aliens as well?
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Epic engrish in the first video...
I suppose somebody set up them the bomb?
All you are happy to movies you see.
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looks awesome, hope someone does a decent English dub
It's straight up WW2 apologia, like all Yamato ever was. Star Blazers got the crap beat out of getting dubbed for that reason. Your odds are slim.
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Can't we just ignore the politics and enjoy the splosions?
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Can't we just ignore the politics and enjoy the splosions?
I do. But the dubbing companies don't. :P
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for those who are confused, the jist of the story is: after getting massively pwned by aliens humanity uses the wreck of a famous very large Japanese battleship to conceal the construction of a large and powerful space ship, then proceeds to use said space ship to save humanity from extinction.
they never remove the wreck camouflage from the operational portion of the ship (and it serves as an extra layer of armor), so it is effectively a massive WW2 battleship flying in space.
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so it is effectively a massive WW2 battleship flying in space.
Which is all the reason anyone really needs to think this is awesome.
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As long as it's funny, I'm okay with it. Looks alot like BSG though.
First off all, it's not supposed to be 'funny'. Cheesy, yes, no doubt, but Yamato is and always has been a serious science fiction epic. Second, it premiered in 1974 and Star Wars, and especially BSG, very clearly ripped off quite a lot from it. Thirdly it was never about politics or WW2, they chose the Yamato because it was iconic to the Japanese people.
And Bobboau, unless they changed the story for the new movie, the Yamato is not merely a shell for a space-ship, it IS the spaceship. They've just modified the hell out of it and made it space-worthy. Propeller replaced with star drive, main cannons replaced with...energy main cannons. And running the entire length of the ship, with the end of its barrel in the bow, is a massive energy weapon that more or less set the mold for every huge ship mounted energy weapon that followed. Macross cannon, the Death Star's weapon, it all stems from Yamato's Wave Motion Gun.
Oh and I don't want to see this dubbed. You can make an argument for animation dubbing (there are some amazing dubs, Bebop and Ghost in the Shell at the very top of the list) but dubbing of live-action is terrible and stupid.
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Thirdly it was never about politics or WW2, they chose the Yamato because it was iconic to the Japanese people.
It's about a Japanese WWII battleship saving us from radioactive fallout.
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No worse that Avatar then?
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Thirdly it was never about politics or WW2, they chose the Yamato because it was iconic to the Japanese people.
It's about a Japanese WWII battleship saving us from radioactive fallout.
Your point? No different from us making movies about stopping terrorism.
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[Your point? No different from us making movies about stopping terrorism.
So you acknowledge that it is political and that your previous post was in error. Excellent.
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Thirdly it was never about politics or WW2, they chose the Yamato because it was iconic to the Japanese people.
It's about a Japanese WWII battleship saving us from radioactive fallout.
Does everything have to have a political subtext? THIS WHOLE GODDAMNED WORLD IS TURNING INTO THE SOVIET ****ING UNION AND EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE IN A FOOT RACE TO SEE WHO CAN BE MORE POLITICALLY GODDAMNED CORRECT.
It's a show/movie about a flying battleship that shoots aliens with a big goddam laser gun. That's all it is. Live with it.
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Sure man, and Wall-E is just a movie about a cute robot falling in love with another cute robot.
lrn2subtext
disclaimer: I don't know why we're even arguing about it to be honest -- the movie looks awesome and that's all that really matters.
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Thirdly it was never about politics or WW2, they chose the Yamato because it was iconic to the Japanese people.
It's about a Japanese WWII battleship saving us from radioactive fallout.
Does everything have to have a political subtext? THIS WHOLE GODDAMNED WORLD IS TURNING INTO THE SOVIET ****ING UNION AND EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE IN A FOOT RACE TO SEE WHO CAN BE MORE POLITICALLY GODDAMNED CORRECT.
It's a show/movie about a flying battleship that shoots aliens with a big goddam laser gun. That's all it is. Live with it.
I'm tired of this politically correct bull****. If I have an opinion I'm going to express it, not hide it to preserve the feelings of some oversensitive yokel!
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Sure man, and Wall-E is just a movie about a cute robot falling in love with another cute robot.
It is, isn't it? :nervous:
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The whole reason I prefer Sci-Fi to Drama movies is that I like spaceships, cool special effects and big explosions, I'm not going to pretend to be deep about it.
Anyone who thinks I'm going to walk away from a Movie with a new aspect on life is sadly mistaken.
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The whole reason I prefer Sci-Fi to Drama movies is that I like spaceships, cool special effects and big explosions, I'm not going to pretend to be deep about it.
Anyone who thinks I'm going to walk away from a Movie with a new aspect on life is sadly mistaken.
Someone finally gets it!
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so it is effectively a massive WW2 battleship flying in space.
A. Massive. WW2. Battleship. In. Space.
With a giant energy cannon.
That is enough reason to watch this movie. ;7
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I was going to try to trap someone by linking to a tvtropes article about things being in space, but then I ended up trapping myself instead. Epic fail. :(
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I was going to try to trap someone by linking to a tvtropes article about things being in space, but then I ended up trapping myself instead. Epic fail. :(
Oh, something like this? http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WaveMotionGun
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Does everything have to have a political subtext?
Everything does. There is no such thing as entertainment pure and simple. Of course, a work having subtext--even distasteful subtext--doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't enjoy it.
As for the rest of your post: decaf. Try it.
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Does everything have to have a political subtext?
No, but if you see everything as having a political subtext, everything WILL have a political subtext.
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Does everything have to have a political subtext?
Everything does. There is no such thing as entertainment pure and simple. Of course, a work having subtext--even distasteful subtext--doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't enjoy it.
As for the rest of your post: decaf. Try it.
Since I'm stupid, enlighten me as to the political subtext of:
Porn
The Smurfs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Smurfs)
Fraggle Rock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraggle_Rock)
The New Yankee Workshop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Yankee_Workshop)
Among many time many other examples.
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Just to be a pretentious prick, I'll link to this:
Socio-political themes in the Smurfs (http://www.jmarcschmidt.com/Smurfs/sociosmurf2.html)
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Clever! Who woulda thunk it?
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Since I'm stupid, enlighten me as to the political subtext of:
No.
If you're truly curious, you might read this (http://www.emcit.com/emcit127.php?a=4). I doubt you're doing anything other than raging about whatever it is you're raging about but if I'm mistaken, go. Read.
Also, what's with the passive aggression? First we had all-caps anger, now we have this?
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Not everything has a political subtext, and the same is true about most of the stuff English classes shove down people's throats. But there's a difference between having political subtext and being given political subtext by pretentious liberal-arts majors trying desperately to get an actual job. (No offense to most liberal-arts majors. It's the pretentious ones I can't stand.)
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I have gotta see this movie!
Battleship Yamato in space, blasting away those alien bastards? Oh yes, count me in!
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Yaaay! Nippon shall blast away the dogs of the beikoku!... I mean Aliens! They'll blast away the aliens!
This looks pretty awesome. Slightly strange ship-design aside, I'm a sucker for sci-fi.
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Not everything has a political subtext,
Everything has a political subtext because all events are causally interconnected. Art is produced by humans who live in a political environment.
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Oh, something like this? http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WaveMotionGun
Not like that.
This isn't a Wave Motion Gun. This is THE Wave Motion Gun.
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For the love of... You people seem to be under the impression that this is some kind of cheap-payback against the West for their defeat in WW2, some sort of self-aggrandizing story where 'glorious nippon' saves the day. Having actually seen the show (which I guess most of you haven't) I can tell you that it isn't like that in the slightest. So it involves radiation killing the Earth, big deal. I won't deny that the dropping of the bombs had a significant impact on Japan, that kind of thing tends to leave deep scars in the social psyche. That doesn't mean the show was made in response to it. You're also ignoring the fact that this was made in the middle of the cold war, when EVERYONE was paranoid about nukes and radiation.
If it has any political subtext at all, it's a generic 'radiation is bad' message made in regards to the looming threat of nuclear annihilation of the era.
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Oh, something like this? http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WaveMotionGun
Not like that.
This isn't a Wave Motion Gun. This is THE Wave Motion Gun.
Yeah, I mean, where else would the Terran Battlecruiser from SC1/2 get the name for the Yamato Cannon from?
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For the love of... You people
Who's 'you people'?
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For the love of... You people
Who's 'you people'?
Since it's been revealed that there are multiple components to the 'tutta construct I'm not sure this is an improper method for addressing you... people
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"What do you mean, 'you people'?"
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What I mean should be very obvious in the context of the thread. I'm of course talking about all the posts that feature horribly ignorant statements about a show they've never watched.
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Sure man, and Wall-E is just a movie about a cute robot falling in love with another cute robot.
It is, isn't it? :nervous:
Not sure if serious... but just in case, how about all that stuff on evironmentalism, mega-corporations, and rampant consumerism turning people into big fat stupids? Actually I thought the political subtext of Wall-E was so blatantly in-your-face as to be hilarious. I mean, come on. "TRY BLUE! IT'S THE NEW RED!"
I loved that movie. :lol:
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What I mean should be very obvious in the context of the thread. I'm of course talking about all the posts that feature horribly ignorant statements about a show they've never watched.
Well I don't know if I have the same reading of those posts as you do. I don't think there's any question it's a reaction to World War II in many ways, but that doesn't make it some kind of assertion of Japanese militant nationalism.
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Epic engrish in the first video...
I suppose somebody set up them the bomb?
In the other Yamato film, Uchuu Senkan Yamato: Fukkatsu Hen, they committed a rather epic engrish. The Blue Noah Flagship has "Fragship" written on its side.
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That's way more awesome than an ordinary Flagship.
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Did it explode, for the record?
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What I mean should be very obvious in the context of the thread. I'm of course talking about all the posts that feature horribly ignorant statements about a show they've never watched.
Well I don't know if I have the same reading of those posts as you do. I don't think there's any question it's a reaction to World War II in many ways, but that doesn't make it some kind of assertion of Japanese militant nationalism.
Well I question it. Its plot involves radiation and the ship is from WW2, so it MUST have a political message about that war, right? Next you'll tell me LoGH was made in defense of autocracy or that Crest of the Stars tries to justify Japanese militarism.
inb4 you don't know what either of those are.
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What I mean should be very obvious in the context of the thread. I'm of course talking about all the posts that feature horribly ignorant statements about a show they've never watched.
Well I don't know if I have the same reading of those posts as you do. I don't think there's any question it's a reaction to World War II in many ways, but that doesn't make it some kind of assertion of Japanese militant nationalism.
Well I question it. Its plot involves radiation and the ship is from WW2, so it MUST have a political message about that war, right? Next you'll tell me LoGH was made in defense of autocracy or that Crest of the Stars tries to justify Japanese militarism.
inb4 you don't know what either of those are.
I didn't know what any of those are, but Astro Boy is another example of a piece of anime that's a negotiation with Japan's history.
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Next you'll tell me LoGH was made in defense of autocracy or that Crest of the Stars tries to justify Japanese militarism.
The first person that will claim such a thing will have to face my terrible terrible wrath. :beamz:
That said, I'm going to watch this movie for the heck of it. Because of pew pew and boom boom.
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Sure man, and Wall-E is just a movie about a cute robot falling in love with another cute robot.
It is, isn't it? :nervous:
Not sure if serious... but just in case, how about all that stuff on evironmentalism, mega-corporations, and rampant consumerism turning people into big fat stupids? Actually I thought the political subtext of Wall-E was so blatantly in-your-face as to be hilarious. I mean, come on. "TRY BLUE! IT'S THE NEW RED!"
I loved that movie. :lol:
yeah, i took that to be rather tounge-in-cheek.
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I didn't know what any of those are
Most people watch Star Wars or Star Trek. They often get into fights about which is better. A much smaller number sit back and laugh at the fights, because they know that Babylon 5 is superior to both the aforementioned franchises.
The Japanese, and about 20 people outside of Japan, mock everyone else, including the B5 fans, because they know the truth. Legend of the Galactic Heroes is the true kaiser of the space operas, everything else is small time (not that I don't like B5, or Star Wars for that matter. Star Trek is largely meh, but has some nice bits).
Astro Boy is another example of a piece of anime that's a negotiation with Japan's history.
...wat.
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Astro Boy is another example of a piece of anime that's a negotiation with Japan's history.
...wat.
There were some pretty good articles on the topic recently, and on why he was so important.
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Oh, well, if you mean as in showing the Japanese that nuclear power isn't inherently evil, ok, I see your point.
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Wat.
The Japanese use nuclear power. Have for decades.
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Wat.
The Japanese use nuclear power. Have for decades.
*sigh*
Go Google Astro Boy, Scotty.
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*rereads post*
Oh, I see. I thought he was still referring to Space Battleship Yamato in that context, which prompted the "wat."
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What I mean should be very obvious in the context of the thread. I'm of course talking about all the posts that feature horribly ignorant statements about a show they've never watched.
Well I don't know if I have the same reading of those posts as you do. I don't think there's any question it's a reaction to World War II in many ways, but that doesn't make it some kind of assertion of Japanese militant nationalism.
Well I question it. Its plot involves radiation and the ship is from WW2, so it MUST have a political message about that war, right? Next you'll tell me LoGH was made in defense of autocracy or that Crest of the Stars tries to justify Japanese militarism.
inb4 you don't know what either of those are.
I didn't know what any of those are, but Astro Boy is another example of a piece of anime that's a negotiation with Japan's history.
Dude, you have to see either one of them if you have any atraction for serious space operas. Crest of the Stars and Banner of the Stars in particular is one of the most awesome setting I've ever seen in a sci-fi work.
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This is why I always liked Babylon 5, it made you realise that who we are is defined by who each and every one of us is. That was a Sci-Fi with a message that went beyond 'Good guys are Good, Bad guys are Bad' :)
Edit: I'll note though, I watched it for the SFX ;) I think that you cannot make a movie without a message, whether intentional or not, whether it's the incredibly corny and crowbarred 'Only the Sith deal in absolutes' to the more profound messages in BSG etc, but how that message is recieved will always be up to the person watching, not the Director.
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What I mean should be very obvious in the context of the thread. I'm of course talking about all the posts that feature horribly ignorant statements about a show they've never watched.
I daresay I've watched more Yamato than you have. Hell, I even poked around the darker corners of the fandom a few times to amuse myself. Don't get me wrong, it's fun as hell to watch, I love it (though there are movies I'd rather forget, rather like Nadesico's movie). But it's still at best got far too much Japan Saves The Day not to view it as such. The composition of the crew, the nature of the ship, how they name they fighters. It's pretty basic-level stuff, pervasive, hides in plain sight. I'm not sure they set out with the goal in mind, but what came out is pretty dodgey. And this is a Japanese work, so you have to remember to filter for Japanese views of the history. That really doesn't help the case, since in Japan's view of the war at the time (and to an ugly extent still) they were on a great liberating crusade to free Asia from the choking, imperialistic white Europeans. (Ironically, this is the only war aim they accomplished.)
So yes, I maintain that Yamato is, if not outright Imperial Japan apologia over WW2, drifting dangerously close to it. Doesn't mean I won't watch the movie and enjoy it.
Try again.
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It could just be a case of 'over-running an idea' though, someone comes up with the thought "Why not make a spaceship out of the Yamato's Hull?", which is great, and then they stretch the whole WW2 metaphor to beyond breaking point in trying to orbit everything around the central 'character' of the thing. In situations like that, whilst the bias of the creator certainly shows, it's not really done to make a statement, it's more made out of ignorance to the whole picture. There are certainly plenty of Hollywood produced shows that suffer from exactly the same disease.
Star Trek TOS, for example, tended to only use American vessel names, (though that changed in TNG with the Yamato being the Enterprise's sister ship) or the fact that every officer in the Imperial Navy in Star Wars happened to speak with a very British accent, partly because we are good at bad guys, but it's been hinted more than once that the merging of British and the Empire may also have been subconciously based on our own reputation in the US.
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What I mean should be very obvious in the context of the thread. I'm of course talking about all the posts that feature horribly ignorant statements about a show they've never watched.
I daresay I've watched more Yamato than you have. Hell, I even poked around the darker corners of the fandom a few times to amuse myself. Don't get me wrong, it's fun as hell to watch, I love it (though there are movies I'd rather forget, rather like Nadesico's movie). But it's still at best got far too much Japan Saves The Day not to view it as such. The composition of the crew, the nature of the ship, how they name they fighters. It's pretty basic-level stuff, pervasive, hides in plain sight. I'm not sure they set out with the goal in mind, but what came out is pretty dodgey. And this is a Japanese work, so you have to remember to filter for Japanese views of the history. That really doesn't help the case, since in Japan's view of the war at the time (and to an ugly extent still) they were on a great liberating crusade to free Asia from the choking, imperialistic white Europeans. (Ironically, this is the only war aim they accomplished.)
So yes, I maintain that Yamato is, if not outright Imperial Japan apologia over WW2, drifting dangerously close to it. Doesn't mean I won't watch the movie and enjoy it.
Try again.
It's a kids cartoon made in 1974 for a solely Japanese audience. That's why everyone is Japanese. You might as well complain that everyone in Mazinger or Combattler is Japanese. The fact is they never even mention any other countries or non-Japanese people (outside of a brief sequence where they talk about how the Yamato sunk, and there they just say there was a war and the Americans raped it with 1,000 planes). And not in a self-serving way, they just never have any reason to. It's pretty obvious the story is more about saving Japan than anything, but of course Japan is on Earth so they kind of have to save the rest of the world along with it. In fact you could even assume that Japan is simply the sole country that hasn't completely succumbed to the radiation yet (though the existence of Harlock, of German descent, several hundred years later would count against this, but Leiji doesn't exactly care about continuity).
You honestly have to try very hard to find something offensive or apologetic in Yamato. And if there is any such thing in there (and I don't think there is) it's certainly no where near as mind-bogglingly retarded as so much American fiction is. Take for example, Independence Day, where the rest of the world literally sits around waiting for the Americans to find a way to beat the aliens and then tell them how to do it.
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In situations like that, whilst the bias of the creator certainly shows, it's not really done to make a statement, it's more made out of ignorance to the whole picture.
As you more or less acknowledge in this statement, subtext isn't necessarily deliberate.
Re: Empire, that was a deliberate choice on the part of the director.
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But it's still at best got far too much Japan Saves The Day not to view it as such. The composition of the crew, the nature of the ship, how they name they fighters. It's pretty basic-level stuff, pervasive, hides in plain sight.
This, of course, never ever happens in any American movies and they would never try to crowbar that kind of **** in there in plain sight... And incidentally, Team America is only a funny cartoon and does not mock US saves the day cliches at all.
Somehow I have grown to accept that and I apply the same logic to movies coming from every country, Japan included. Doesn't really bother me at all.
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sort of like who Dr Who is always stopping aliens from eating London, and rarely anywhere else more than once.
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This, of course, never ever happens in any American movies and they would never try to crowbar that kind of **** in there in plain sight...
I know you maybe haven't watched an anime in a long time or something, but maybe you didn't notice how Macross or the like specifically went out of their way to make the cast look multicultural? I grant, at the time, the medium was new and mistakes would be made, but they're much better than this about at least looking different. Christ, Sailor Moon had more ethnic diversity in the cast's appearance, and it didn't even have a reason to. We've got like one European-looking person on the Yamato in total.
For that matter, Micheal Bey and the Transformers movies ain't US moviemaking. Shocking, I know. Or maybe you like to ignore the setting of the work, and just assume that because they set it somewhere familar that's a great conspiracy on my part. I dunno.
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It wasn't new though, it was already over a decade old in 1974. Also Macross and especially Sailor Moon both came much later. I can't say it enough, you really are stretching it trying to find some kind of subtext about WW2 in Yamato.
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Yeah, Macross was made in the '80 and in some parts is a reflection on Gundam, but also on Space Battleship Yamato. The later is somewhat even more important, as it's the civilians aboard the megaship and the culture they embody that saves the day instead the blazing guns as it happened in Yamato.
Yes, there are nationalistic elements in the cartoons, but compare them with American stuff from the '60. However what strikes me even more is how the conflict between the crew of the Yamato and the Gamilans is portrayed - while you might feel the Yamato is too "Japanese" and acts as a standby and apology for earlier nationalistic Japan, when compared with the Gamilans they fight there are some *very* startling diffrences:
-The Gamilans fight for victory above all
-To them death is the only way to absolve your honor it you failed
-They don't negotiate, don't surrender
-They don't show pity or hesitate to destroy their opponent
Contrast this with the crew of Yamato:
-Although conflicted, as the Gamilans haven't pulled their punches, in the end the crew lets their prisoners live and finally comes to the conclusion that they should also treat them humanely. (There is also a nasty incident with torture, but the show portrays it in bad light and does not justify it!)
-The crew constantly tries to negotiate and understand their foes
-They also frequently try to think about the greater implications of their actions. Once they learn how destructive their main gun is, Captain Okita refrains from using it when it could have dire consequences for non-combatants.
-When the ship finally wins the war, Kodai - then Captain - breaks down in tears, as they've just learned that they've inevitably destroyed the Gamilans. He exclaims bewildered, why the Gamilans have gone so far, why they couldn't have just asked for help? "We could have been brothers!" - he exlaims.
This is corny and overacted, but a far cry from WWII Japanese gang-ho attitudes... and very tolerant and liberal compared to even some current sentiments. By comparison the Gamilans are acting in accordance with traditional Bushido rules and could be poster boys for the WWII Japanese sentiment. One could even say, that the franchise is a parallel about a battle between the old and new Japan.
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For that matter, Micheal Bey and the Transformers movies ain't US moviemaking.
Aside from the end of RoTF, it's entirely American. WTF are you talking about?
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For that matter, Micheal Bey and the Transformers movies ain't US moviemaking.
Aside from the end of RoTF, it's entirely American. WTF are you talking about?
American filmmaking isn't terrible. American filmmaking actually has a history of being very good!
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I wasn't implying American film making was or is bad. It's arguably in the toilet right now as far quality releases go, but that's another topic, as far as the skill and talent of the folk involved it's generally decent, not great, there's no equivalent to Jimmy Stewart or Gable or any of the Golden Age stars. Hell, there's not even a John Wayne analogue. :(
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We still have Clint Eastwood, for now.
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sort of like who Dr Who is always stopping aliens from eating London, and rarely anywhere else more than once.
Yeah, noted that one too. Irritated me first as it seems that London is the center of the world, but then I realized it is just a TV show that needs to be made somewhere. And space Titanic crashing to Buckingham Palace is more awesome than anything what could happen to White House.
(http://files.sharenator.com/Crab_Deal_with_it_May_Contain_Gifs-s250x170-83650.gif)
I know you maybe haven't watched an anime in a long time or something, but maybe you didn't notice how Macross or the like specifically went out of their way to make the cast look multicultural? I grant, at the time, the medium was new and mistakes would be made, but they're much better than this about at least looking different. Christ, Sailor Moon had more ethnic diversity in the cast's appearance, and it didn't even have a reason to. We've got like one European-looking person on the Yamato in total.
So that you know, I have never watched anything anime related. The question is, why would it matter how many Ur-a-pean looking guys are in that movie? It is only a movie, and pretty clearly fiction too!
For that matter, Micheal Bey and the Transformers movies ain't US moviemaking. Shocking, I know. Or maybe you like to ignore the setting of the work, and just assume that because they set it somewhere familar that's a great conspiracy on my part. I dunno.
I haven't watched Transformers either - or pretty much anything coming from US nowadays... The notable exception being the Gran Torino, which happens to be a Clint's movie. But I don't see you guys complaining about American centric views of the documents coming from US. So before crucifying a fictional Japanese movie for being Japanese centric, I would suggest cleaning up your own yard first.
EDIT: I've had it with those broken image links!
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Hey, it just occurred to me - Gamilans are the enemies in this movie. In the universe of Derek Smart's games, the enemies are called "Gamulans"... :eek2:
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So that you know, I have never watched anything anime related. The question is, why would it matter how many Ur-a-pean looking guys are in that movie? It is only a movie, and pretty clearly fiction too!
Suspension of disbelief. If someone in the script claims that this crew or organization is part of multinational initiative, it looks kinda weird when everybody looks entirely Asian or white. That may be not the case for Yamato as they can lampshade it by saying that everybody's military and industries but Japan's were decimated.
But for something like Macross where the military is indeed a multinational defense force, it's pretty vital to the story to have a multiethnic/national cast. Claudia LaSaulle is French of African descent. Roy Focker is American. Captain Global is Italian. Minmei is Chinese. And I think Max Jenius is German. What's interesting is that in Macross Do You Remember Love, the entire bridge crew speaks American English (Aside from the main characters who are voiced by Japanese actors) implying that English is spoken universally in Macross, just translated to Japanese for Japanese audiences. My theory is that the UNS mandated that English be used for military comms to prevent confusion. Or it could be the United States, having contributed the most to the UNS (UNS Headquarters is in Alaska, most if not all the mil hardware is based off of American designs, some of the hardware still has "US Army" or "US Navy" stamped on them), simply dominated the organizational culture and structure.
Macross went a lot out of its way to convey an international influence, not just a Japanese one. I would definitely be confused if they had made a Macross live action movie and had a cast exclusively comprised of Asians. I'm Asian by the way. :P
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Captain Global is Italian.
In the books(which are superior to the show), Gloval is Russian.
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Captain Global is Italian.
In the books(which are superior to the show), Gloval is Russian.
What books? You must refer to Robotech and I have to point out that Robotech != Macross. The former used the later, but thanks to some Macekre the two are not quite the same.
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Well, if they're different why did Harmony Gold dump all over the author(s)(Jack McKinney is two people) and not use any of The End of the Circle in they're wrap up movie they did a while back? Even barring the metaphysical stuff, it's a much more coherent tale.
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Please don't confuse Robotech (which is what the books you're referring to are based on) with Macross. Macross is a Japanese anime, Robotech is an American construct made by editing together and re-dubbing Macross and two other, unrelated anime, into a single, much longer show. They changed some characters names (Global become Gloval and Russian, in Macross he's Italian, Minmay became Minmei).
I could also go on a long rant about how Robotech is a piece of worthless cancer and how Macek was one of the worst things to ever happen to the anime import industry, but I won't.