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Title: Anime
Post by: spyderrock48 on September 26, 2010, 12:38:19 am
so im in need of a new anime to watch, preferably a mecha or futuristic military themed, ive already watched all of gundam ( literally ), code geass, and new genesis evangelion
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: General Battuta on September 26, 2010, 12:39:29 am
so im in need of a new anime to watch, preferably a mecha or futuristic military themed, ive already watched all of gundam ( literally ), code geass, and new genesis evangelion

Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: spyderrock48 on September 26, 2010, 12:43:18 am
ahh, that is indeed on the list of animes i want to see, and i even have it avaliable in HD on netflix xD
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: The E on September 26, 2010, 12:58:34 am
Macross Zero, Plus and Frontier are also worth watching.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: spyderrock48 on September 26, 2010, 01:24:14 am
ive seen pics of macross, never heard of the other two, will definatly look into them though
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Bobboau on September 26, 2010, 03:19:29 am
I'm assuming you've already watched Gurren Lagann, and gone out and got the flag of the Dai Gurren Dan, and mounted it above your bed, and salute it every morning with many tears welling up in your eyes.

I normally stay away from the mecha shows, it's too specific a fixation. I've been going more for the suspense and adventure oriented ones lately. For example you should try Higurashi no Naku Koro ni, it's like a cross between groundhog's day and The Shining, with adorable characters, who try (often successfully) to murder each other, in horrible ways, for no apparent reason.

actually, I just thought of something you might like, Noein, it's about an interdimentional time war between two fantastically advanced parallel futures. with the main focus being, of course, on a front fought in our time.

and by "new genesis evangelion" I'm assuming you are referring to 2.22, that was ****ing godly.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Dark Hunter on September 26, 2010, 03:59:06 am
I recommend RahXephon. It is amazing. Very different from your average mecha, in that the focus is almost entirely on the complex and multi-layered characters rather than the action. It's kind of like Evangelion in that way, except with less action, less depression, meaningful symbolism, and it takes itself much more seriously. Oh, and Yoko Kanno composed the opening (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCDoifoKkLA), so that's always a plus (the rest of the show has very good music as well, just not composed by Kanno).

I also second Noein. If you know anything about quantum physics you will probably :lol: and  :rolleyes: at how it's represented, but it's an excellent show regardless. Good action, good characters, awesome music, the best English dub outtakes EVER, etc.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: DarkBasilisk on September 26, 2010, 04:03:58 am
Gurren Lagann is pretty much a must :D

I'll also throw in:
-Appleseed : great animation, good plot, good movie. The majority of it is small-scale mecha use, so it's a bit inbetween futurisitic military and true giant mecha.
-Big O - It's mecha, but steampunk, and the main character is 80% Batman. Awesome ensues.
-Rahxephon seconded: If you liked Evangelion, you'll probably like this. It takes a lot of similar themes and plot directions but manages to remain it's own idea. That's the best thing really, it has a very similar feel but the story is NOT anywhere near a copy. Fighter jets, giant robots, beautiful music, action, true love, everything you need :)

I will also second Bob's recomendation of Higurashi. It's great. And Stand Alone complex was what i was thinking off immediately when i read futuristic military themed.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: watsisname on September 26, 2010, 04:15:41 am
I know this doesn't exactly fit the categories provided (well, it's sort of futuristic I guess), but if you haven't seen Akira, you should watch it.  Immediately.  That movie pretty much set the standard to which all later anime films are compared.  That and it's pretty ****ing awesome.  Great characters, great story, outstanding animation.

I also second third Gurren Lagann.  Sure the animation quality might be a little sketchy, but the show totally makes up for that by being ****ing awesome.

The others previously mentioned I am unfamiliar with -- don't watch enough Anime. :(
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: kode on September 26, 2010, 06:46:00 am
Legend of the galactic heroes, dammit.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: wtf_cl0vvn on September 26, 2010, 06:50:10 am
Not precisely what you're asking for, but Royal Space Force: The Wings of Honneamise is a pretty good film; most of the crew that would become Gainax wrote that one.

Blue Submarine N° 6 wasn't bad either; been a while since I've seen it though. I may just be remembering it as very good.

Also, definitely watch the GitS films; different storyline than Stand-Alone Complex, but still very good.

A bit more introspective though, less focus on the action.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Ghostavo on September 26, 2010, 07:18:19 am
Banner of the Stars.

Although it's futuristic military themed as ordered, it's focus is on the growth of the relationship between the main characters.

Oh, and the setting's equivalent to hyperspace is a 2D space.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Hades on September 26, 2010, 08:37:14 am
Have you watched Cowboy Bepop by any chance? May not have mecha but it's futuristic and awesome.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Snail on September 26, 2010, 09:13:58 am
Bebop :yes:
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Post by: butter_pat_head on September 26, 2010, 11:55:15 am
I can also vouch for the shows mentioned already.  They are all good shows.  You could do a lot worse than try these ones:

Dai-Guard : A super robot built using near sub-real-robot technology while being run by comity and on a budget
GaoGaiGar: Nuff said
Fafner : Evangalion as a real robot show.  To make up the difference the go for quantity over quality with more whiny kid pilots and robots.
Zegapain : Can't describe this one without giving away major plot points.  Has practically everything your post Eva series has.
Nanoha : Take a robot show that has world glassing beam spam and remove the robots and replace with magical girls.
Godannar : (Nearly) everything combines, has GaoGaiGar levels of stock footage FTW.
Giant Robo : Nuff said.
The Third, The girl with the blue eye : Post Apocalyptic.  A girl has a sword that cuts anything and lives inside a AI controlled tank.
Gunbuster 1 & 2 : Don't get the movie editions.  If you can find them get the OVA boxset for GB1 and the 3 volumes of GB2.
Mahoromatic : Military combat android with a remaining lifespan measured in 100s of days decides to become a live-in maid.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: NGTM-1R on September 26, 2010, 01:13:10 pm
Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha: This is a mecha show. Don't lie to me, I know it is. They just look like schoolgirls through holographic trickery! Skip straight to As and StrikerS if you start to doubt in the original series' early run.

Nadesico if you can find it. It's...well it's very Japanese. The characters all think they're in an idealistic super robot show like Gao Gai Gar, but they're actually in a cynical real robot show. This is played for both comedy and surprisingly heavy messages alternately.

If you're feeling oldschool: Armored Trooper VOTOMS, Fang of the Sun Dougram. These are contemporaries of the first Macross series that don't get mentioned a lot, which is a damn shame. Particularly in VOTOMS' case.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Flaser on September 26, 2010, 01:55:00 pm
Legend of the galactic heroes, dammit.

Ah! Finally a man of refined tastes. LOGH is anime for grown ups, as the characters are not over the top, the plot is slow paced and often pondering. There are hundreds of named characters and the show assumes you're intelligent enough not to have everything spelled out for you.

Yes, I know the space-combat ideas are dated, so is some of the imagery and some things can look very anachronistic in 2010. However I can't recommend this show enough as what it's about is *very* relevant in any age.

The eternal battle between the forces of corruption and justice in *any* government is explored in depth as you have traitors, career officers and politicians as well as all round rascals both in the FPA and the GE, as well as glowing revolutionaries, honest mans of principle and ruthless pragmatists who each work according their own principles sometimes toward a common goal sometimes at odds.

The question deeply pondered is who should a government be composed of. We're show both the pitfalls and triumphs of democracy as well as the highs and lows of an autocratic governments and the kinds of men it takes to build or pervert either one.

This stuff *matters*, so if you have the patience this show will reward you in leaps and bounds.



Some more classics to watch:

Area 88 (the OVA) - The Count of Monte Cristo with fighter planes! Shin Kazama is betrayed by his friend and made to sign a mercenary contract in drunken stupor. Now he has to survive either three years or pay a penalty of a million dollars to get out of his contract. However, to his horror, he finds that with each day spent battling for his freedom he comes further and further away from the man he once were and takes anther step to become a hardened killer.

Venus Wars - Classical war story taking place on Venus. Hiro and his friends are aimless youth who spend their time with violent motor sport. Their boredom is forever shattered when the neighboring Ishtar finally invades Aphrodesia and the city is quickly taken. Now the kids are caught up in the turmoils of occupation and the war later on. They face a hard doze of reality and the need to finally take responsibility for their lives.

Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Rodo on September 26, 2010, 01:57:33 pm
You could try Full Metal Panic, it's quite militaristic (not the fomoffu one!)
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Bobboau on September 26, 2010, 03:10:19 pm
I was thinking FMP would be right up his alley too.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Sarafan on September 26, 2010, 03:22:33 pm

Ah! Finally a man of refined tastes. LOGH is anime for grown ups, as the characters are not over the top, the plot is slow paced and often pondering. There are hundreds of named characters and the show assumes you're intelligent enough not to have everything spelled out for you.

Yes, I know the space-combat ideas are dated, so is some of the imagery and some things can look very anachronistic in 2010. However I can't recommend this show enough as what it's about is *very* relevant in any age.

The eternal battle between the forces of corruption and justice in *any* government is explored in depth as you have traitors, career officers and politicians as well as all round rascals both in the FPA and the GE, as well as glowing revolutionaries, honest mans of principle and ruthless pragmatists who each work according their own principles sometimes toward a common goal sometimes at odds.

The question deeply pondered is who should a government be composed of. We're show both the pitfalls and triumphs of democracy as well as the highs and lows of an autocratic governments and the kinds of men it takes to build or pervert either one.

This stuff *matters*, so if you have the patience this show will reward you in leaps and bounds.


+1 :yes:

Best anime I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: noodle on September 26, 2010, 03:23:22 pm
Gurren Lagann is a poor mans Getter. Just skip it and watch/read the many installments of Getter Robo.

Also seek out:

Texhnolyze: cyberpunk show that isn't grimdark, it's somewhere in the lightless valleys on the other side of grimdark.

Dennou Coil: slice-of-life cyberpunk involving kids. It's awesome.

Eve no Jikan: show about robots and human-robot interactions. I dare say it would make Asimov himself proud.

Black Lagoon: un-ironic homage to 80's action films. Frankly it's better than most of those films.

FLAG: real-robot show set in fictitious war-torn country. Basically it's all about UN peacekeeping operations.

Tokyo Magnitude 8.0: massive earthquake hits Tokyo (no, really? I know, you're shocked), brother and sister struggle to survive. Focuses more on the mundane issues of survival that such a situation would lead to than action movie nonsense.

Seirei no Moribito: vastly superior adaption of what was already a pretty damn good book. For my money one of the most refreshingly original entries in the fantasy genre of the last, oh, 15 years at least.

Dai Mahou Touge: dark parody of the magical girl genre. Short and sweet, some hilarious stuff in here.

Galaxy Express 999: only seek it out if you're willing to be in for the long-haul. 100+ episodes, 3 movies, plus a couple manga. I think it's Leiji Matsumoto's greatest creation (and that really is saying a lot). Calling it an explosion of pure creativity would be a massive understatement. Any description would probably sound retarded, but trust me, it's amazing.

Legend of the Galactic Heroes: already been mentioned, but it should be mentioned again. The finest space opera ever made. Period. 110 episode OVA adaption of a series of books by Yoshiki Tanaka, plus 3 movies, plus 52 episodes of simply prequel material. There's a manga too, but good luck finding any translations of it. The actual technological aspects of it aren't that great, I'll admit. Frankly you could pretty easily strip out all the space parts of it, make the ships surface based and set the whole story on a water heavy planet and it would still be more or less the same. But the author was someone who grasped that the most important parts of a story are plot and characters, and chose to focus on them rather than drowning everything in hyper-detailed fancy space tech. Both factions get amble coverage, both have large, likable casts (and a few assholes), and both have valid points. Neither side is the good guy, nor the villain. They're just people. All the characters are great, but the Alliances Yang Wen-li rises above all the rest for most fans, myself included. When you see it, you'll understand why.

Oh, it also has the greatest soundtrack of anything ever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upS-pi-sOAQ

Seikai no Senki/Crest of the Stars/Banner of the Stars/Battleflag of the Stars (lolnames): often thought of as a lesser sibling to LoGH, in many ways I think it's the complete equal of that franchise, and in some ways (especially the battles) it's actually superior. Grand space opera, but with a primary focus on the two fairly minor characters and their relationship. Extremely good character development. Outside of the two mains you have a fairly large recurring cast featuring several truly unique characters, including one woman who can only be described as an internet troll in an admirals body. The battles are pure sex and it's basically the last anime (that I know of anyway) where big battles were entirely hand-animated, so no terrible CGI in this franchise. Well, not quite...three full 'seasons' were made (Crest of the Stars, Banner of the Stars, Banner of the Stars II) covering the first 3 books (oh, right, it's also based on a series of novels, this time by Hiroyuki Morioka), then they made a 2 part OVA that was far too compressed and featured horrible CGI. Worth seeing I guess, it has some nice bits. Book series is continuing on, but no further animated adaptions in sight. Some fans are slowly translating the books though.

There are many more things I could list, but I don't want to make too large a post. I can provide download links for any of the above shows if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: General Battuta on September 26, 2010, 03:24:13 pm
anime is cartoons
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: NGTM-1R on September 26, 2010, 04:01:43 pm
Noodle isn't doing FLAG justice. It's rather heavy stuff through, both technically, emotionally, and possibly morally depending on how you view the driving plot as a statement of human nature or total propgandizing.

I'm going to catch hell for this but I far prefer the 2003 version of Area 88.

LGH is good, sure, if you can sit through it all. But bear in mind the series was nicknamed Boring Germans In Space for a reason.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Rodo on September 26, 2010, 04:04:05 pm
I was thinking FMP would be right up his alley too.

It's a good one, I can still remember the tone of the opening in the second raid :p
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: spyderrock48 on September 26, 2010, 04:19:23 pm
ok, well now ive been handed a list of like 50 shows :) , im trying as hard as i can to avoid a story where plot is basically , somehow random ass teenagers end up with super advanced technology and are the only ones that can use it, coincidentally ( aka, gundam, and every anime that has tried to be like gundam, which is alot ) . i have seen Big-0 , and i have seen appleseed ( good movie ). ive watched all of gurren lagann. and about the LoGH being anime for grownups, im only 17 :)
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: SpardaSon21 on September 26, 2010, 04:25:26 pm
Appleseed: Ex Machina?  Less giant robot, more GitS though, although they got John Woo for the fight scenes.  Of course, at the end of Ex Machina there's this giant rip-off of the Sentinel Swarm scene from The Matrix Revolutions.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Flaser on September 26, 2010, 04:30:11 pm
anime is cartoons

Very true.

However unlike western cartoons most of it is aimed at teenagers rather than kids, so I find anime more entertaining. Then you have titles aimed at adults (ie. Monster, Serial Experiments Lain) and some in between (the recent Durarara would be a good example).

The later two are rarer, but do exist.

Meanwhile, the USA keeps genius like Gendy Tartakovsky locked in their animation ghetto.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: noodle on September 26, 2010, 04:37:48 pm
Noodle isn't doing FLAG justice. It's rather heavy stuff through, both technically, emotionally, and possibly morally depending on how you view the driving plot as a statement of human nature or total propgandizing.

I'm going to catch hell for this but I far prefer the 2003 version of Area 88.

LGH is good, sure, if you can sit through it all. But bear in mind the series was nicknamed Boring Germans In Space for a reason.

I've never heard it called that. And it isn't boring, at all. 110 episodes is nothing, when it's all over you'll be wishing there was a lot more.

And yes, you're right, the 2003 version of Area 88 is better than the original 80's OVA. The OVA has better animation, but the series has a much better and more fleshed out story.

Can't believe I forgot about Monster. It's amazing, and Durarara!! (and Baccano!) are pure genius.

EDIT: Why are people recommending the Appleseed movies? They're terrible. A complete insult to the manga original. Nice music though, especially the first Appleseed movie.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Flaser on September 26, 2010, 05:01:32 pm
I'll have to disagree about Area 88.

The OVA made in '88 is a lot better than the TV series. My main gripe with the later is that it's way too politically correct, you have the bumbling but good hearted "ethnic minority" kid, the "woman" of the team and so on...

...and while there are some fun battles the main theme of Area 88 is what suffers: man loosing their principles and turning into death dealing and death seeking beasts by war. In the TV series you don't have character like the Vietnamise Nguyen who shoots down ejected enemy pilots for sport (...and getting his "just" reward later) and even Saki Vashtal is lot more toned down, in the original he was a ruthless leader who sent his men to death without betting an eyelash and his saving grace was the fact that he was just as ruthless to himself and his family. It's also never revealed why Mickey Simon joined the mercenaries (...or why he's "sticking" to Shin that much).
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Scotty on September 26, 2010, 05:07:10 pm
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Why are people recommending the Appleseed movies? They're terrible. A complete insult to the manga original. Nice music though, especially the first Appleseed movie.

It's like Starship Troopers.

The movies are fun to watch.  The manga is very good.  You can watch/read both.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: noodle on September 26, 2010, 05:13:53 pm
anime is cartoons

Thank you for that insightful comment.

Incidentally, you like Battletech do you? Then you need to watch Macross. Unseen designs ring a bell?
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: SpardaSon21 on September 26, 2010, 05:15:27 pm
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Why are people recommending the Appleseed movies? They're terrible. A complete insult to the manga original. Nice music though, especially the first Appleseed movie.

It's like Starship Troopers the first Starship Troopers movie.

The movies are fun to watch.  The manga is very good.  You can watch/read both.
Fixed.

I will agree that the SST movies are complete insults to the original, however if you look past that the first one is very entertaining.  The other two are complete disgraces that direct-to-DVD movies are ashamed of being in the same category with.  Yeah, they're that bad.
anime is cartoons

Thank you for that insightful comment.

Incidentally, you like Battletech do you? Then you need to watch Macross. Unseen designs ring a bell?
Curse you Harmony Gold!  I was so looking forwards to MechWarrior 5, but nooooooo, you just had to file a C&D.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: noodle on September 26, 2010, 05:31:53 pm
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Curse you Harmony Gold!  I was so looking forwards to MechWarrior 5, but nooooooo, you just had to file a C&D.

Biggest trolls in the industry those guys. Oh well, at least they haven't stopped the fansubbers from putting out Macross (not they could even if they tried). Got the whole franchise on my harddrive, including the glorious remasters of DYRL and Plus.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: NGTM-1R on September 26, 2010, 05:43:07 pm
I've never heard it called that. And it isn't boring, at all. 110 episodes is nothing, when it's all over you'll be wishing there was a lot more.

It's glacial. This isn't a 110 episode show because of filler, which is cool in its own way, but they needed 110 episodes to play out their plot because of the pacing. That carries its own risks.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Flaser on September 26, 2010, 06:08:11 pm
I've never heard it called that. And it isn't boring, at all. 110 episodes is nothing, when it's all over you'll be wishing there was a lot more.

It's glacial. This isn't a 110 episode show because of filler, which is cool in its own way, but they needed 110 episodes to play out their plot because of the pacing. That carries its own risks.

Quite. Warning! Side effects may include a sudden interest in classical music, finding all things German cool and a tendency to discuss political theory with your friends.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: spyderrock48 on September 26, 2010, 06:12:45 pm
well i would like to state that A) i love classical , especially while gaming. B) i literally, love all things german, i am 100% german in heritage, and find german weaponry and vehicles superior to most. c) i do that anyways cause me and my friends are all quite politically enlightened, and our views go across the  whole spectrum,  and active. sounds like i would love this show.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: redsniper on September 26, 2010, 09:32:06 pm
If you liked Gurren Lagann and you like sci-fi and mechs in general, then I highly recommend you check out Gunbuster. It's got kind of the same high-stakes, epic space war feel of Gurren Lagann, but in a more serious package. Also has a somewhat realistic treatment of relativity and space travel and one of the most manly-tears-inducing endings of all time. :nod:
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Sushi on September 26, 2010, 11:35:45 pm
You could try Full Metal Panic, it's quite militaristic (not the fomoffu one!)

Fumo Fumo Fumo Fumo Fumo, Fumo!
Fumo Fumo Fumo Fumo Fumo, Fumo!
Fumo, Fumo!
Fumo, Fumo!
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: FUBAR-BDHR on September 27, 2010, 12:12:48 am
What about Eureka 7?
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: General Battuta on September 27, 2010, 12:19:26 am
anime is cartoons

Thank you for that insightful comment.

Incidentally, you like Battletech do you? Then you need to watch Macross. Unseen designs ring a bell?

only good anime is pokemans  :mad:
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: The E on September 27, 2010, 12:25:00 am
Either contribute something constructive or GTFO this thread, Battuta.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: mxlm on September 27, 2010, 12:26:37 am
I dunno, I consider his trolling very valuable.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Fury on September 27, 2010, 12:36:58 am
Possibly slightly off-topic, but I'd like to let you know that there is a site called Crunchyroll that lets you to stream many series legally. Most episodes are available very soon after they've aired in Japan if you pick up paid subscription, otherwise you need to wait a few more days and streams will have ads.
http://www.crunchyroll.com/

It's a good way to support the anime industry instead of P2P'ing or illegal streaming. The more support the site gets, the more series it can pick up.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Bobboau on September 27, 2010, 01:17:35 am
has been crunchyroll member for quite a while now, even though they often do not have what I want to watch.
I also get a ton of stuff off the official funimation site/youtube channel.
I also torrent and stream a lot, however if a commercial supported official alternative exists, I will go for that first, it usually has far superior quality than the illegal subs anyway.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: watsisname on September 27, 2010, 01:21:33 am
Fury:  I don't believe that's off-topic at all.  Thanks for the link.  :)

On a different note, just to interject my own opinions:
I tried getting into LOGH but felt that, in spite of being well animated, having great music and battles and fleet mechanics and such, I just couldn't feel any emotional attachment to it.  It felt rather... dry, for lack of a better word.  Maybe it's just the huge number of characters that get thrown around so quickly, without much else going on other than people discussing strategies and then executing them and seeing what happens.

Do you think it's worth my trying to continue?  I'm only three episodes in, so maybe I just need to give it more time.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Gortef on September 27, 2010, 06:18:04 am
Do you think it's worth my trying to continue?  I'm only three episodes in, so maybe I just need to give it more time.

Yes. Three episodes is nothing in LogH. The whole thing is a big friggin Space Opera where every episode matters one way or another. If afther 10 eps it still doesn't feel your thing then it could be so.


- I skimmed through the thread, and didn't see Patlabor (or I was blind). I remember it being somewhat nice.

- *cough*Strike Witches*cough* Not that sci-fi oriented (more like alternative past), but it does have leg mounted flying thingies. And panties

- Oh yea, Sky Girls with exoskeletons.

- Dual! Parallel Trouble Adventure. This one was hilarious.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Flaser on September 27, 2010, 10:30:57 am
has been crunchyroll member for quite a while now, even though they often do not have what I want to watch.
I also get a ton of stuff off the official funimation site/youtube channel.
I also torrent and stream a lot, however if a commercial supported official alternative exists, I will go. for that first, it usually has far superior quality than the illegal subs anyway.

I applaud your efforts, but unfortunately lately even the quality of official subs has been on a decline. The Suzumiya Haruhi subs say "moe" FFS! Granted most of the fansubs are even worse.
I could say more, but what's wrong with subbing has already been said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUYlqLlbix0
...and the problem with official subs is they emulate a lot of these things, as they're popular.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Bobboau on September 27, 2010, 11:21:07 am
that's what their target audience wants :shrug:

and by quality I am refering to technical quality, higher resolution, less encoding errors.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: noodle on September 27, 2010, 01:00:58 pm
I applaud your efforts, but unfortunately lately even the quality of official subs has been on a decline. The Suzumiya Haruhi subs say "moe" FFS! Granted most of the fansubs are even worse.
I could say more, but what's wrong with subbing has already been said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUYlqLlbix0
...and the problem with official subs is they emulate a lot of these things, as they're popular.

...if you're referring to what I think you're referring to, the subs say moe because...that's what the character said. As for that documentary, I am very familiar with Otaking (he posts on /m/ frequently) and frankly he's an idiot. He simply picked the worst examples he could find of internet fansubs (though he denies doing it) and picked the very best examples of 90's fansubs. There's plenty of honorific laden crap from the VHS era, very few of them are up to the standard of, say, the Macross 7 subs. He's also a horrific 80's fanboy, virtually incapable of accepting anything that doesn't have at least 4 layers of shading.

- I skimmed through the thread, and didn't see Patlabor (or I was blind). I remember it being somewhat nice.

It's more than nice, Patlabor is brilliant.

And the OVA's and series are finally getting HD releases:

BAD LINK!

And the first two movies:

BAD LINK!

BAD LINK!

Bookmark that site btw, it'll be your new best friend if you have any interest in anime.


anime is cartoons
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only good anime is pokemans  :mad:

I don't post much around here, so I'm not familiar with all the people here. Does he troll like this often?

No linking to Piracy, moron
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: General Battuta on September 27, 2010, 01:04:53 pm
 ;7

I actually sort of liked Yukikaze, which is one of the relatively few GHEY JAPANESE CARTOONS I've seen. And I recommend SAC without actually having seen much of it because the aesthetic is awesome and everybody else likes it.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: noodle on September 27, 2010, 01:18:10 pm
;7

I actually sort of liked Yukikaze, which is one of the relatively few GHEY JAPANESE CARTOONS I've seen. And I recommend SAC without actually having seen much of it because the aesthetic is awesome and everybody else likes it.

Book is better, first one was translated just last year.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Flaser on September 27, 2010, 01:38:22 pm
that's what their target audience wants :shrug:

and by quality I am refering to technical quality, higher resolution, less encoding errors.

...the later claim doesn't hold any water, as fansubs have been on par with official subs in visual quality for quite a while. You just need to get the right release like THORA or gg. (...and FFS get the h264 release!) Nowadays you can get perfect HD rips only a couple of days after the release in Japan.

Crunchyroll just commercialized their stuff, but what they do (...and how they do) is no different from some of the good fansub groups out there. (Speedsubs can be terrible, but you get what you demand. A good translation can take a day or two).

@noodle: Yes and No. Otaking's argument is really skewed, however what he says still has a *point*. I for one prefer *translations* instead literal *commentary* and I find it bad when the group doesn't put in any effort and relies on the viewers familiarity with the medium to do hackneyed shortcuts like using phrases utterly alien to the English language. Sometimes sticking to the source is good, but most of the time this is just a sign of laziness.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: noodle on September 27, 2010, 01:56:28 pm
I get that, I hate weeaboo fansubs too. I find even just keeping the honorifics annoying as hell. But I've watched a lot of stuff fansubbed, and on the whole it's nowhere near as bad as he makes it out to be. Also I've found that the quality of the subs often reflects the quality of the show itself. If it's a show actually worth watching one of the better teams will pick it up, often multiple teams will get it so you can pick which one to follow. Many of the worst subs are for shows you probably wouldn't want to watch anyway.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Dark Hunter on September 27, 2010, 01:58:30 pm
anime is cartoons
Quote
only good anime is pokemans  :mad:

I don't post much around here, so I'm not familiar with all the people here. Does he troll like this often?


Nah, not usually. If you'll notice, he was the first to offer a suggestion of anime, and a good one at that.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Colonol Dekker on September 27, 2010, 02:11:08 pm
MD Geist.
 
 
My ultimate favourite :)
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Mongoose on September 27, 2010, 04:45:09 pm
MD Geist.
haaaaa
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: JGZinv on September 27, 2010, 05:13:20 pm
Eureka 7 after episode 22.
Full Metal Panic
Crest / Banner of the Stars
Blue Submarine No. 6

Dual Parallel Trouble Adventure
I'm pretty much the community leader for that series, don't ask how much I've spent
both time and money wise into it. Also help the Crest/Banner communities. ^_^

Zoids? Not the best thing in the universe... but it's robots.
Voltron - not anime.
IGPX - not anime, but not horrific either.
Armitage movies - cyborgs
Outlaw Star - space ship combat, AIs, etc...
Cyborg 009
FLCL
Gad Guard
Heat Guy J
Kiddy Grade (not the sequel Kiddy Girl AND)
Last Exile

Non Robots:
Cowboy Bebop
Ghost in the Shell: SAC
Oh/Ah My Goddess
Love Hina
K-ON
The Galaxy Railways
.Hack/Sign
Howl's Moving Castle
Castle in the Sky
Intial D
Wangen Midnight
Serial Experiments Lain
Boogiepop Phantom
Paranoia Agent
Read or Die (ROD - watch the OVA first)
Rurouni Kenshin
Trigun

Should keep you busy for a while...  :D


Title: Re: Anime
Post by: noodle on September 27, 2010, 06:11:32 pm
Quote
Oh/Ah My Goddess
Love Hina
K-ON

What am I reading?
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Bobboau on September 27, 2010, 06:49:42 pm
yeah, I think I just threw up a little too.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Mongoose on September 27, 2010, 06:58:53 pm
Voltron - not anime.
IGPX - not anime, but not horrific either.
Um...both of those are anime series. :p
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Dark Hunter on September 27, 2010, 07:10:20 pm
Come to think of it, I'm seeing a severe lack of Chrome Shelled Regios (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCcDphZ38aI) in this topic.

This has now been corrected. :nod:
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: spyderrock48 on September 27, 2010, 07:24:26 pm
haha dude i love outlaw star, its one of my favorite series, i also love cowboy bebop,  zoids = cool , ive seen the GitS movies, and am currently watching GitS: SAC
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Fury on September 27, 2010, 11:21:18 pm
And the OVA's and series are finally getting HD releases:

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And the first two movies:

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Bookmark that site btw, it'll be your new best friend if you have any interest in anime.
Do you realize that you just linked to illegal P2P downloads of movies, which by the way is against site rules? I would strongly suggest you to edit your post as soon as possible.

Come to think of it, I'm seeing a severe lack of Chrome Shelled Regios (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCcDphZ38aI) in this topic.

This has now been corrected. :nod:
Uh? Chrome Shelled Regios anime is utter crap. The only good thing about the anime is Felli, but that's it.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Rodo on September 27, 2010, 11:49:50 pm
Blue Submarine No. 6

This one was interesting from what I recall, not mech like but the hole setting was...don't know, different maybe.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: The E on September 27, 2010, 11:53:38 pm
And the OVA's and series are finally getting HD releases:

(link removed)

And the first two movies:

(link removed)

(link removed)

Bookmark that site btw, it'll be your new best friend if you have any interest in anime.
Do you realize that you just linked to illegal P2P downloads of movies, which by the way is against site rules? I would strongly suggest you to edit your post as soon as possible.

Links removed.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Colonol Dekker on September 27, 2010, 11:59:06 pm
MD Geist.
haaaaa

 
I don't follow, I like loads, I like my NGE (Misato, if you were real i'd MAKE YOU MY WIFE :mad:), that maus thing. Macross, even starship commanders :nervous:
 
Just so happens that I think Geist is just the right mix of violence, sci-fi and unnecessary plot, he's the original Freakin Spartan, baby :x
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Mongoose on September 28, 2010, 12:05:44 am
MD Geist is legendary as one of the absolute worst OVAs ever created during that craze in the 80s/early 90s.  Maybe the only thing worse than it is it sequel. :lol:
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Colonol Dekker on September 28, 2010, 12:12:51 am
Well lick my nipples and call me shirley.
I didn't know there was a sequel. Don't suppose there's a prequel is there?
 
Also, I missed the mention earlier, but I fully support venus wars :)
 
 
Edit- not following the "popular opinion," what don't you like about it?
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Flaser on September 28, 2010, 12:37:18 am
MD Geist is legendary as one of the absolute worst OVAs ever created during that craze in the 80s/early 90s.  Maybe the only thing worse than it is it sequel. :lol:

Actually MD Geist is nowhere near as bad as it's rumored to be. If it were, then it'd actually be good (in a "so bad, it's good" fashion)... instead it's just pretty bad. Shallow characters, rampant and self serving violence. It's very cynic and nihilistic though which I tend to enjoy.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Mongoose on September 28, 2010, 12:46:21 am
I've seen both it and its sequel, and at least in my opinion, they free-fall straight past "so bad it's good" to "so bad it's horrible." :p
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: JGZinv on September 28, 2010, 01:26:26 am
Voltron - not anime.
IGPX - not anime, but not horrific either.
Um...both of those are anime series. :p


Voltron I'll concede due to rusty memory.
IGPX was a joint venture... so eh...  kinda like trying to call Halo Legends anime... sure maybe the
stuff was made in Japan... but something got lost in translation and turned out horribly wrong.
IGPX was rather good though in season 1... S2 lost itself dealing with character issues.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Mongoose on September 28, 2010, 01:38:04 am
The point is that IGPX was fully developed and created in Japan; Cartoon Network simply served as a co-producer and contributed funding for the project.  If you wouldn't classify IGPX as anime, you'd have to do the same for the second season of Big O, as CN co-produced that as well.  At least by common definition, if it's an animated work created in Japan and released to a Japanese audience, it's anime.

(Interestingly enough, overseas co-productions like Halo Legends (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=11372) or Batman: Gotham Knight (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=10174) are generally categorized as anime too.)
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: JGZinv on September 28, 2010, 03:23:50 am
Adult Swim shouldn't have gotten involved with Big O IMO.
They tried to rush out a sequel/ending and honestly I've mixed feelings
about how it ended up.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Liberator on September 28, 2010, 05:41:46 am
I have no mixed feelings about the second season The Big O.  It was almost as much of a mind screw for the viewer as the latter episodes of Evangelion.  The only thing that could save it is a 3rd season that actually explains what's going on and why the world reset.(I think Angel's having a dream or something, it's the only thing that makes sense.)  Other than that:

Gurren Lagaan is good
Blassrieter is nice, a bit confusing where I'm at right now, but good.
I quite enjoyed Aquarion
Soul Eater is easily Top 10 of all time.
Claymore is good, very gory and it seems to have a fetish for armless girls, but it's good.
Heroic Age is amazing.
Vandread is a bit formulaic, but very entertaining.

I should note that all these anime's are available, completely legal on Hulu, I probably use it more than I use any other website out there.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Ghostavo on September 28, 2010, 07:16:55 am
Soul Eater is easily Top 10 of all time.
Claymore is good, very gory and it seems to have a fetish for armless girls, but it's good.

You know, those two would be awesome if they hadn't screwed up the storyline.

Claymore in particular was cringe worthy how they managed to turn what was a flawless series into **** in only two episodes.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Rodo on September 28, 2010, 08:31:45 am
Someone might have said it before but... in case no one did, you can look for "Blue Gender" spy... it's another nice option.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: NGTM-1R on September 28, 2010, 12:41:23 pm
Someone might have said it before but... in case no one did, you can look for "Blue Gender" spy... it's another nice option.

At least until you throw it under a bus after watching the nonsensical ending.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: StarSlayer on September 28, 2010, 01:02:35 pm
Someone might have said it before but... in case no one did, you can look for "Blue Gender" spy... it's another nice option.

At least until you throw it under a bus after watching the nonsensical ending.

I find that's par for course for quite a bit of anime.  At least Blue Gender's got a *****in' fight first though.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Rodo on September 28, 2010, 01:06:00 pm
At least until you throw it under a bus after watching the nonsensical ending.

Well, yes...
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: noodle on September 28, 2010, 01:27:18 pm
Quote
links removed for piracy

I lol'd hard.

In any event, I liked Big O's second season, it was typical Chiaki Konaka writing. The last episode was basically the characters realizing they're in a cartoon made to sell toys. Blue Gender was...ok. Awesome soundtrack, but I do recall the ending being incredibly rage inducing for me.

Soul Eater is easily Top 10 of all time.
Claymore is good, very gory and it seems to have a fetish for armless girls, but it's good.

You know, those two would be awesome if they hadn't screwed up the storyline.

Claymore in particular was cringe worthy how they managed to turn what was a flawless series into **** in only two episodes.

Because it was an anime of a manga that wasn't even halfway finished at the time. Skip it and read the comic, it's superior anyway.







Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Jeff Vader on September 28, 2010, 01:33:26 pm
Detroit Metal City Yes, I know it doesn't fit in with the "futuristic military skipadaboo" conditions.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Liberator on September 28, 2010, 01:54:47 pm
Oh, and since i just finished watching it last night, Project Freedom is quite enjoyable.  You'll have to dig for it tho, it's not on Hulu and the place where I found it is just a clearing house for fansubs and the quality is not good.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Ghostavo on September 28, 2010, 02:58:29 pm
Soul Eater is easily Top 10 of all time.
Claymore is good, very gory and it seems to have a fetish for armless girls, but it's good.

You know, those two would be awesome if they hadn't screwed up the storyline.

Claymore in particular was cringe worthy how they managed to turn what was a flawless series into **** in only two episodes.

Because it was an anime of a manga that wasn't even halfway finished at the time. Skip it and read the comic, it's superior anyway.

I know that, both of them were in the same situation, but, at least in the case of Claymore, they could have finished the season with the cliff hanger instead of that... thing!
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Mongoose on September 28, 2010, 03:19:46 pm
Adult Swim shouldn't have gotten involved with Big O IMO.
They tried to rush out a sequel/ending and honestly I've mixed feelings
about how it ended up.
Big O's second season is A-1 supar.  I mean, I would have killed for more of it at one point, but I sort of feel like the ambiguity of the ending has actually endeared it more to me.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: spyderrock48 on September 28, 2010, 07:00:51 pm
haha i love my thread :) there are some many super good shows listed on here ( and i have had a few on my list to watch for a while now ) thanks guys
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Hero_Swe on September 28, 2010, 08:27:22 pm
Anime is for jerks.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwfyzG59qsc
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: mxlm on September 28, 2010, 09:09:42 pm
Any thoughts on Basilisk or Noir? TV Tropes make both sound vaguely interesting.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: noodle on September 28, 2010, 11:03:27 pm
Never seen Basilisk, but Noir was enjoyable though it had significant flaws. Same for its spiritual sequel, Madlax. Avoid the third series, El Cazador de la Bruja, like the plague though.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: BloodEagle on September 28, 2010, 11:26:31 pm
Any thoughts on Basil--

NO!!
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: mxlm on September 29, 2010, 03:14:58 am
....what?
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: NGTM-1R on September 29, 2010, 03:44:47 am
I think that means it's not good.

I've usually heard it said that if you liked one of the Girls With Guns trilogy you like them all, but noodle and I have had radically different opinions before.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Bobboau on September 29, 2010, 01:44:45 pm
Girls With Guns

speaking of which I just finally finished Shikabane Hime it was pretty good for the most part, except the Gainax requisite lack of an ending.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: mxlm on September 29, 2010, 02:26:12 pm
I think that means it's not good.
Well, right. I'd just hoped for some elaboration.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: kode on September 29, 2010, 02:28:58 pm
I think that means it's not good.

I've usually heard it said that if you liked one of the Girls With Guns trilogy you like them all, but noodle and I have had radically different opinions before.

Eh, Iunno. I saw Madlax and El Cazador, but couldn't really get into Noir. At least not that time when I tried. Beetrain aren't really that good anyhow, but I have been known to watch a lot of crap.

Detroit Metal City Yes, I know it doesn't fit in with the "futuristic military skipadaboo" conditions.

GO TO DMC! GO TO DMC! GO TO DMC!
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: BloodEagle on September 29, 2010, 07:11:44 pm
I think that means it's not good.
Well, right. I'd just hoped for some elaboration.

Okay.  Imagine Romeo and Juliet, except everyone is trying to kill killing everyone, and it has a really depressing ending.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: redsniper on September 29, 2010, 07:17:15 pm
That sounds the same.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: spyderrock48 on September 29, 2010, 07:33:58 pm
I think that means it's not good.
Well, right. I'd just hoped for some elaboration.

Okay.  Imagine Romeo and Juliet, except everyone is trying to kill killing everyone, and it has a really depressing ending.

that is romeo and juliet?
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: mxlm on September 29, 2010, 11:47:32 pm
Okay.  Imagine Romeo and Juliet, except everyone is trying to kill killing everyone, and it has a really depressing ending.
That doesn't explain why you dislike it.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Droid803 on September 30, 2010, 12:01:55 am
I think that means it's not good.
Well, right. I'd just hoped for some elaboration.

Okay.  Imagine Romeo and Juliet, except everyone is trying to kill killing everyone, and it has a really depressing ending.

Isn't that "except" part kinda unnecessary? :P

But uhh...suggestions?
I donno. I just enjoy what I get...cause otherwise I just end up massively dissapointed all of the time XD.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: BloodEagle on September 30, 2010, 02:04:29 am
I'm a little confused as to why no one understood what I said.  I mean, it's a comparison of intensity.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Ghostavo on September 30, 2010, 03:14:29 am
Nobody understood what you said because Romeo and Juliet IS a story where everyone is killing everyone and has a depressing ending.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: NGTM-1R on September 30, 2010, 03:15:54 am
Actually, Romeo and Juliet there were some pretty heavy breaks on everyone killing everyone, but some versions of the story don't emphasize it as much as others.

It still ends with everyone dying because they're stupid, however.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: BloodEagle on September 30, 2010, 12:17:48 pm
Nobody understood what you said because Romeo and Juliet IS a story where everyone is killing everyone and has a depressing ending.

Yes. I know. I get that. It was kind of key to my point.

I'm saying that Basilisk is like that, multiplied to freaking infinity.  Which is what I wrote the first time, in clear, sarcastic English. [insert picture of Kyle screaming]
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Mongoose on September 30, 2010, 01:25:57 pm
Spoiler alert: the anime series Romeo x Juliet is a story where everyone is killing everyone and has a depressing ending.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: mxlm on September 30, 2010, 02:48:54 pm
I'm saying that Basilisk is like that, multiplied to freaking infinity. 

Well, you've convinced me to watch it.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: noodle on October 01, 2010, 10:03:00 pm
I've usually heard it said that if you liked one of the Girls With Guns trilogy you like them all, but noodle and I have had radically different opinions before.

I really wanted to like El Cazador, but frankly it's just 26 episodes of piss. Nice music though, and I like a few of the characters.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: kode on October 02, 2010, 03:25:04 am
I've usually heard it said that if you liked one of the Girls With Guns trilogy you like them all, but noodle and I have had radically different opinions before.

I really wanted to like El Cazador, but frankly it's just 26 episodes of piss. Nice music though, and I like a few of the characters.

Taco taco taco
oishii taco
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: NGTM-1R on October 02, 2010, 04:07:34 am
I really wanted to like El Cazador, but frankly it's just 26 episodes of piss. Nice music though, and I like a few of the characters.

Oh I agree, it's twenty-second episodes of nothingness, but it's a brain-disengaging nothingness so that's okay.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: noodle on October 08, 2010, 06:09:55 pm
Not everything needs to be 'deep' or sophisticated. But it's actually quite hard to do simple brainless entertainment well. I don't like El Cazador not because it's lacking in substance, I don't like it because it's badly made.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Roanoke on October 09, 2010, 06:07:12 am
I would like to throw in Appleseed, at one end of the intellectual scale, and the Patlabor Movies at the other. Thanks.
Also Macross Zero again. Don't really know why it recieved such a bad press. Apart from the really bad subtitle timing in my copy, but that was hardly their fault.....
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: NGTM-1R on October 09, 2010, 06:58:51 am
It's not quite a straight-up Macross production, but it still has enough singing to annoy those of us who don't like Macross.
Title: Re: Anime
Post by: Roanoke on October 09, 2010, 02:11:50 pm
Singing never bothered me. In either Zero or Plus.

I thought it was pretty cool seeing VFs fighting around aircraft carriers and the like.