but it's all covered in a layer of the worst kind of anime fandom that I just couldn't get past
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Camp is a critical analysis and at the same time a big joke. Camp takes “something” (normally a social norm, object, phrase, or style), does a very acute analysis of what the “something” is, then takes the “something” and presents it humorously. As a performance, camp is meant to be an allusion. A person being campy has a generalization they are intentionally making fun of or manipulating. Though camp is a joke it is also a very serious analysis done by people who are willing to make a joke out of themselves to prove a point.
Some nice mission design in there, I appreciate all the new ships and weapons, but it's all covered in a layer of the worst kind of anime fandom that I just couldn't get past.
Well guys, noodle is allowed to not like WoD for whatever reason. And he's already told us why, even if it wasn't put in the nicest way possible.
Of course people are allowed to say they didn't liked it. But really now, if you start a new topic just for the sake of saying "I didn't liked it" then I start to wonder what exactly you are trying to achieve. Do you want to hear other people agreeing with you? Do you want to start a "People who dislike WoD club"?Yeah, that's true.
Now if there was constructive critism in there of any kind, then there would be something for me to reply to.
See, I think part of the reason Wings of Dawn is almost indisputably good is that if you removed every character name, reduced all the dialogue to simple instructions, and changed all the ships into variously sized boxes, it'd STILL be fun. Because the mission design was fresh, the tasks you're asked to perform are entertaining, and the music is groovin'.
I can't even usually take anime seriously because I'm spoiled by stuff like Iain Banks which tends to tackle a lot of the same themes with more maturity, but I liked WoD.
You set it up as something of an anime homage, but all I see is a giant grab-bag of the worst cliches, some exclusive to anime, some just general cliches. I nearly threw up at the 'space elves who view humans as a brash young race in need of guidance' part. Talk about one of the most irritating and insufferable tropes out there. Not to mention that like 70% of the cast is female, all of whom are one fanservicy archetype or other. And all drawn in that particular misguided weeaboo style that thinks that just throwing in big eyes and brightly colored hair makes it look authentically Japanese. It doesn't, and it looks terrible.
Some nice mission design in there, I appreciate all the new ships and weapons, but it's all covered in a layer of the worst kind of anime fandom that I just couldn't get past.
I don't think noodle even gave a **** about this thread that he started.
He just wanted to stir up the bee hive. Which he actually probably did.
I can't explain it, but I got a really positive vibe from noodle's post.Care to point out where you are seeing anything positive then?
Even if it wasn't directly constructive, how can it not be helpful to know who didn't like it and why?Because dear sir, it is not motivating to see someone to go through the effort to create a topic to just tell you:
You set it up as something of an anime homage, but all I see is a giant grab-bag of the worst cliches, some exclusive to anime, some just general cliches. I nearly threw up at the 'space elves who and so on and so on.
In fact, I don't believe that constructive criticism is even possible in this case, because I got the sense that noodle dislikes WoD's whole concept, not the executionAgain, I ask
if you start a new topic just for the sake of saying "I didn't liked it" then I start to wonder what exactly you are trying to achieve. Do you want to hear other people agreeing with you? Do you want to start a "People who dislike WoD club"?
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I can't even usually take anime seriously because I'm spoiled by stuff like Iain Banks which tends to tackle a lot of the same themes with more maturity, but I liked WoD.
TBH it was more a feeling I got than something he said, but okay:I can't explain it, but I got a really positive vibe from noodle's post.Care to point out where you are seeing anything positive then?
Am I the only one who didn't like WoD?Wow, someone who dislikes WoD? That alone makes the mod seem more "real" somehow.
Because I really didn't. At all.
You set it up as something of an anime homage, but all I see is a giant grab-bag of the worst cliches, some exclusive to anime, some just general cliches. I nearly threw up at the 'space elves who view humans as a brash young race in need of guidance' part. Talk about one of the most irritating and insufferable tropes out there. Not to mention that like 70% of the cast is female, all of whom are one fanservicy archetype or other. And all drawn in that particular misguided weeaboo style that thinks that just throwing in big eyes and brightly colored hair makes it look authentically Japanese. It doesn't, and it looks terrible.Okay, so he dislikes it for the same reasons that everyone else likes it. So WoD isn't for everyone. Who said it should be? This fills out the critical response to WoD in a way that is both useful and grounded in reality.
Some nice mission design in there, I appreciate all the new ships and weapons, but it's all covered in a layer of the worst kind of anime fandom that I just couldn't get past.Some explicit positivity! And finally a summary of noodle's dislike that makes me think that he also dislikes anime in general. EDIT: Probably false, judging from other posts.
I think it's been said that even without the anime allusions, WoD is a fun and innovative campaign. So even if you don't like anime, or don't like some stylistic elements, you're still missing out if you don't it a chance. The anime elements is not only thing that makes WoD fun.
You set it up as something of an anime homage, but all I see is a giant grab-bag of the worst cliches, some exclusive to anime, some just general cliches. I nearly threw up at the 'space elves who view humans as a brash young race in need of guidance' part. Talk about one of the most irritating and insufferable tropes out there. Not to mention that like 70% of the cast is female, all of whom are one fanservicy archetype or other. And all drawn in that particular misguided weeaboo style that thinks that just throwing in big eyes and brightly colored hair makes it look authentically Japanese. It doesn't, and it looks terrible.
Some nice mission design in there, I appreciate all the new ships and weapons, but it's all covered in a layer of the worst kind of anime fandom that I just couldn't get past.
Well noodle, I'm like, super glad you took the time to make a new topic to tell me this super constructive feedback :p
And I'll look forward at your attempt at making a campaign for Freespace that is far better, with better art, less clichés and not covered in this 'layer of the worst kind of anime fandom'.