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Hosted Projects - Standalone => Diaspora => Topic started by: General Battuta on October 27, 2010, 06:49:36 pm
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No second season. Remaining episodes of first season moved to next year (seriously). Show over.
At least you've got a spare hour next week, right?
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The King (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caprica_%28TV_series%29) is dead, long live the King? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica:_Blood_%26_Chrome)
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While that blood and chrome sounds cool, 3d? ugh...
Also, it's a shame about caprica. Taking a 6+ month break in the middle of a season was a stupid, stupid idea.
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I didn't watch bsg for the character drama and existential stuff. i watched it to see dudes fight robots. that new show looks pretty good.
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I'm a very sad panda. It's feeling like Firefly all over again. Well, I guess Caprica had to get canceled to make room for more wrestling or something, right?
Here's hoping Blood & Chrome turns out to be something as complex as BSG and Caprica were, although I'm getting this sneaking suspicion that SyFy intends to go in a more action oriented direction, considering that the drama-centric Caprica didn't pull in the desired ratings.
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More action is not bad when you have toasters getting blown to smithereens.
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“Unfortunately, despite its obvious quality, Caprica has not been able to build the audience necessary to justify a second season.”
Well if you will insist on sticking a huge break in the middle of the first ****ing season what the **** were you expecting?!
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Well if you will insist on sticking a huge break in the middle of the first ****ing season what the **** were you expecting?!
The same thing everyone does. Treat it like crap and get rewarded for it with great ratings. Or in layman's terms, "something for nothing". Why use simple logic and reason when you got pie charts, anyway?
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It's Excalibur all over again :(
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The thing is, the concept for "Blood & Chrome" sounds rather expensive to produce to me. Higher production costs per episode means more risk - the moment ratings drop by just a bit they'll cancel it faster than you can say "Firefly".
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Too bad, they killed Caprica before it's time. Who's running the studio? Pinky and Brain?
While i'm happy to see a FCW show, it might render my FCW script unusable.
I sense, some serious rewriting is going to be necessary. :sigh:
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Caprica was never going to make it on television. As I said in another topic, the story should have been told as a book(s). It would have suited the medium much better.
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I dunno, I'm not sold on that. The Sopranos was a novel of sorts. If they'd played it as, well, The Sopranos in space with robots, I coulda seen it going the distance. Or The Wire in space.
I really think it coulda been a contenda.
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Well there's still Blood and Chrome to look foreword too. I think just the webisodes are going to be 3d.Im sure they'll rebuild the set by the time they get the mini series and then the show itself. Because whats going to happen is first there's going to be webisodes which will lead up to a mini series which will most likely be a pilot for an actual series. And seeing classic Cylon Basestars going up against the Galactica will certainly be awesome! We only got a taste of it in Razor.
Forgot to mention something else. The last 5 episodes are being postponed till
2011.I guess to rewrite them as lead ups to BandC.
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lets just hope they introduce a decent art-house (did anyone mention zoic?) for B&C.
that would surely provide a good action-packed show
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I seriously doubt they'll hire Zoic again after they fired it mid-BSG and created their own inhouse team. Sure, you can hope, but it's really not likely at all.
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I've never been an avid fan of Caprica. Unlike some of you, I DID watch BSG for the human element as well as for the sci-fi element. They worked really well together and made BSG the best show eva.
Caprica lacked the latter, and poorly presented the former. The human stories are generally uninteresting at times. I don't care about Clerice, or Lacy, or Amanda. I wouldn't have stayed on this long if the show wasn't a BSG spin-off.
That being said
What the hell does SyFy think they're clearing room for? SyFy's lineup is a load of crap 'horror' (non science fiction) movies and now wrestling. Is this even a Sci-Fi chanel anymore, or has it sold out its very purpose in order to attract viewers? Caprica was by no stretch of the imagination a show on par with BSG, but it's still far above most of SyFy's usual programming.
Maybe if they aired some BSG re-runs they could gather more interest for the hsow. All you really need is the BSG pilot, and that's just for background information.
To me it feels like Syfy railroaded this show through exploitation. Was the so called 'mid season' break necessary? Absolutely not. Syfy thought they could pull another BSG season x.5 maneuver on us. Then there's these STUPID ads they have running for the show. "THE CHILDREN OF HUMANITY SHALL RISE UP!!!!!!" What the hell does that mean? It sounds so frakking fake.
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They're trying for a BSG spin off based on the 1st Cylon War next, which, if successful, should be pretty cool. Caprica never stood a chance; first they had the DVD release way before the pilot was aired. Then, in all their wisdom, they thought an almost a year long mid season break was a good idea. And after all that they decided to be surprised by the lower than expected ratings and cancel it. With that sort of treatment it's a wonder they didn't Firefly it and kill it mid-season.
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Locutus of Borg Not to mention all the wrestling which has nothing to do with scifi.Now id understand if the wrestlers dressed up as scifi characters like Darth Vader and old Cylons but having a wrestling show on scifi makes about as much sense as having a cooking show.
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Locutus of Borg Not to mention all the wrestling which has nothing to do with scifi.Now id understand if the wrestlers dressed up as scifi characters like Darth Vader and old Cylons but having a wrestling show on scifi makes about as much sense as having a cooking show.
don't give them ideas.
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I dunno, I'm not sold on that. The Sopranos was a novel of sorts. If they'd played it as, well, The Sopranos in space with robots, I coulda seen it going the distance. Or The Wire in space.
I really think it coulda been a contenda.
I'd disagree. The closest thematic references to this are more cyberpunk than anything else. Sopranos with spaceships doesn't work as a metaphor because that's a complete alteration of the worldbuilding. At times it felt Caprica didn't really remember that it was talking about a world where "what it means to be human" and "sentient robots" are even a possibility. Why? Because it's a TV show.
You illustrate basic differences in technology and how they effect a world better through a novel medium, because you can talk about them and portray characters reacting to them. Television and movies have it much tougher, because they have to work with actors who don't have a frame of reference for what they're trying to convey and implications that can't be emphasized. BSG pulled it off, because it never forgot it was talking about spaceships and interstellar travel. It couldn't forget since it was set on them. Caprica forgot the conventions of its world all the time.
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You know I really used to like Sci-Fi channel. But they are just so diluted that I don't think it will last long. Really good shows (with A LOT of Potential) are cancelled such as Firefly. Here is a link I wanted to share. I agree with this guy. And it is really ironic at the bottom of the page how life didn't imitate art as in this case it should have.
http://www.kethinov.com/capricacancellation.php
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I dunno, I'm not sold on that. The Sopranos was a novel of sorts. If they'd played it as, well, The Sopranos in space with robots, I coulda seen it going the distance. Or The Wire in space.
I really think it coulda been a contenda.
I'd disagree. The closest thematic references to this are more cyberpunk than anything else. Sopranos with spaceships doesn't work as a metaphor because that's a complete alteration of the worldbuilding. At times it felt Caprica didn't really remember that it was talking about a world where "what it means to be human" and "sentient robots" are even a possibility. Why? Because it's a TV show.
You illustrate basic differences in technology and how they effect a world better through a novel medium, because you can talk about them and portray characters reacting to them. Television and movies have it much tougher, because they have to work with actors who don't have a frame of reference for what they're trying to convey and implications that can't be emphasized. BSG pulled it off, because it never forgot it was talking about spaceships and interstellar travel. It couldn't forget since it was set on them. Caprica forgot the conventions of its world all the time.
I think that's a critique of the execution of the show, and if your argument is 'it should've been better', I agree. But I don't think there was anything about its premise fundamentally incompatible with the medium.
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Well, I won't miss Caprica. I have watched it all so far, and will watch the remainder, but it's too slow (ponderous would be appropriate), the characters are unsympathetic and uninteresting and it all takes itself far too seriously. The BSG cast and characters seemed so much more accessible and interesting and the usual pace so much faster that it's hard to believe the same producers and writers are involved. A shame, really, as it had some clever ideas.
I'm looking forward to the new spin off, though.
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Thank god!
I hated Caprica, it took me 3 attempts to make it through the first episode and I gave up by the third. Blood and Chrome sounds like a much more suitable addition to Galactica.
Only saw The Plan the other day... that sucked too. Shame really.
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Well, I won't miss Caprica. I have watched it all so far, and will watch the remainder, but it's too slow (ponderous would be appropriate), the characters are unsympathetic and uninteresting and it all takes itself far too seriously. The BSG cast and characters seemed so much more accessible and interesting and the usual pace so much faster that it's hard to believe the same producers and writers are involved. A shame, really, as it had some clever ideas.
I'm looking forward to the new spin off, though.
I doubt the knuckleheads at NBC are going to consider another spin off since Caprica is dead. I just don't have faith in their decisions any more. Just as the link I posted in my post. They just don't get it. It really is a shame.
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You know I really used to like Sci-Fi channel. But they are just so diluted that I don't think it will last long. Really good shows (with A LOT of Potential) are cancelled such as Firefly.
To be fair, Firefly cancellation was FOX's fault, not the STD Channel's.
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Well, I won't miss Caprica. I have watched it all so far, and will watch the remainder, but it's too slow (ponderous would be appropriate), the characters are unsympathetic and uninteresting and it all takes itself far too seriously. The BSG cast and characters seemed so much more accessible and interesting and the usual pace so much faster that it's hard to believe the same producers and writers are involved. A shame, really, as it had some clever ideas.
I'm looking forward to the new spin off, though.
I doubt the knuckleheads at NBC are going to consider another spin off since Caprica is dead. I just don't have faith in their decisions any more. Just as the link I posted in my post. They just don't get it. It really is a shame.
They've already announced a new spinoff, Blood and Chrome.
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i haven't seen all the episodes yet, but i liked it. Except for the V-world thing. It's fine to have a Virtual reality in a Sci-fi show, but during a lot of scenes in V-world, i was thinking: Matrix.
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I thought seeing Colt .45s and Abrams tanks kinda screwed the illusion of it being another world/timeframe.
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You know I really used to like Sci-Fi channel. But they are just so diluted that I don't think it will last long. Really good shows (with A LOT of Potential) are cancelled such as Firefly. Here is a link I wanted to share. I agree with this guy. And it is really ironic at the bottom of the page how life didn't imitate art as in this case it should have.
http://www.kethinov.com/capricacancellation.php
I think that was a very good opinion piece, and I heartily agree with the author. It is ironic that Caprica touched on the failing corporate strategy that ended up being its own cause of death. I really wonder when the networks will wake up and realize that television and the current ratings system are archaic, and that the future of "television" media is the internet.
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You know I really used to like Sci-Fi channel. But they are just so diluted that I don't think it will last long. Really good shows (with A LOT of Potential) are cancelled such as Firefly.
To be fair, Firefly cancellation was FOX's fault, not the STD Channel's.
Thats right lol :nod: oops
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I think it's time we just let Galactica die before the property is so tarnished by lackluster spinoffs that the incredible power and scope of the "original" is forgotten. We were lucky to get 4(debatable) awesome seasons of a quality show. Now it's corpse is being humped for every dime it's worth. Just let it die a quiet death.
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I'm not sold on the idea that every spin off has to be bad automatically. While Caprica didn't have that awesomeness the first two seasons of bsg did, it also wasn't a bad show and I wouldn't call making it "mutilating bsg's corpse". For mutilating a corpse with needless sequels (prequels, really), check with George Lucas instead :P
And I'm definitely interested in Blood & Chrome, wanted a 1st Cylon War based show/movie since forever.
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I'm not sold on the idea that every spin off has to be bad automatically.
DS9 was a spin off of TNG. It was magnitudes better in all ways. Just a well known example.
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I'm not sold on the idea that every spin off has to be bad automatically.
DS9 was a spin off of TNG. It was magnitudes better in all ways. Just a well known example.
Only the Dominion War stuff - the rest was tedious beyond belief. It was also a B5 rip-off, and nowhere near as good as that show, though the effects quality was better because of its bigger budget.
Voyager was another TNG spin-off that had more bad episodes than good but was still better than TNG (and at its best was the best series of the franchise, IMHO), which itself was a superior spin-off from the original.
Anyway, I agree that spin-offs can be better or worse than the original, and can often fluctuate between both.
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Voyager was another TNG spin-off that had more bad episodes than good but was still better than TNG (and at its best was the best series of the franchise, IMHO), which itself was a superior spin-off from the original.
This is where we disagree. I found Voyager to be the worst of Star Trek. It tended to solve problems through the power of technobabble much more than any other trek before, and had totally unlikable characters to boot. Captain Janeway - trying to be a female John Wayne didn't really work and her more authoritative posture attempts always made me cringe. Paris and Kim - bland, faceless characters without any character whatsoever. The Doctor - there was potential there but they ruined him as well with a bunch of stupid writing. Kes - oh how I celebrated when she left the show. Neelix - almost as bad as Jar-Jar; the less said about him the better. Tuvok - take Spock, remove every interesting thing about him and presto, Voyager's chief of security. Chakotay was somewhat tolerable but that wasn't enough to save the rest. No wonder they had to force a 3 sizes too small costume onto Jeri Ryan's body, fabric holding on to it's dear life, to get some of the ratings back.
And don't even get me started on the Borg kids.. Voyager had maybe 4-5 relatively decent episodes in it's entire 7 season run. That's a pretty bad ratio.
Of course, I find the entire Star Trek universe somewhat sterile, boring, and lame - but Voyager was definitely the worst of the lot, imo.
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Voyager was another TNG spin-off that had more bad episodes than good but was still better than TNG (and at its best was the best series of the franchise, IMHO), which itself was a superior spin-off from the original.
This is where we disagree. I found Voyager to be the worst of Star Trek. It tended to solve problems through the power of technobabble much more than any other trek before, and had totally unlikable characters to boot. Captain Janeway - trying to be a female John Wayne didn't really work and her more authoritative posture attempts always made me cringe. Paris and Kim - bland, faceless characters without any character whatsoever. The Doctor - there was potential there but they ruined him as well with a bunch of stupid writing. Kes - oh how I celebrated when she left the show. Neelix - almost as bad as Jar-Jar; the less said about him the better. Tuvok - take Spock, remove every interesting thing about him and presto, Voyager's chief of security. Chakotay was somewhat tolerable but that wasn't enough to save the rest. No wonder they had to force a 3 sizes too small costume onto Jeri Ryan's body, fabric holding on to it's dear life, to get some of the ratings back.
And don't even get me started on the Borg kids.. Voyager had maybe 4-5 relatively decent episodes in it's entire 7 season run. That's a pretty bad ratio.
Of course, I find the entire Star Trek universe somewhat sterile, boring, and lame - but Voyager was definitely the worst of the lot, imo.
pretty much this.
Although i have to say that the Doc, was the only really likeable character, and possibly the only one with something that's called character developement ( and he's a ****ing hologram!! ).
Chakotay had really potential, but i didn't like this "american-native-hollywood-edition-extended" bull****.
In my opinion, they really screwed it up, from episode one. And they had a chance to do something really good, the concept had potential.
We have here a a lot of possible conflict situations between the Federation part of the crew and the Maquis one.
Not used, only in one episodes, iirc.
The enemys, poor. Kazon?? srsly
Then they ****ed the Borg...
This show had it's good episodes, sadly not enough. Voyager is the worst of Star Trek. I like TNG ( post season 2), haven't seen enough episodes from DS9 to change my opinion yet.
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haven't seen enough episodes from DS9 to change my opinion yet.
I used to think TNG was the best trek show until I saw DS9 during the Dominion war. Ronald D. Moore did a fine job on those. And there's surprisingly little let's-all-be-good-and-prosperous political correctness / society utopia bs in it, at least for a trek show.
It's still Star Trek, though. Like food from McDonald's, at best it can be tolerable, it'll never be really great sci fi.
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I don't know, Trek can do some really fantastic episodes when it pulls out the stops. The Inner Light from TNG (the one where Picard lives an entire life on another planet) for instance is a pretty impressive stand alone episode which any show could be proud of.
Of course this being TNG there was very little follow up. But then it wasn't until Babylon 5 came along that people realised that you could do story arcs in sci-fi shows.
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I'd like a Trek show set in the backwater system where they send all the rejects, focusing on some old starship thats seen better days, something TMP era because thats was when trek design was at its best. Where the sector command staff are all Fobbit assholes and crew have to deal with the regular bull**** thats part and parcel of the military. I'd like them to screw the pooch repeatedly without some ass pull techno-babel to fix everything by the end of the episode. That first contact/diplomatic mission you botched? Bite you in the ass later in the season.
I'd be stoked for that Trek.
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You mean the sort of Trek that won't ever work?
I'm with RDM on this one. TOS set up the formula, TNG perfected it, and DS9 inverted it. Voyager and Enterprise were ... an afterglow. A rehashing of stories and concepts that just wasn't needed.
Also? Brannon Braga? Total hack. (His best script being one where he basically copy-pasted one Act of material 3 or 4 times)
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Voyager was another TNG spin-off that had more bad episodes than good but was still better than TNG (and at its best was the best series of the franchise, IMHO), which itself was a superior spin-off from the original.
This is where we disagree. I found Voyager to be the worst of Star Trek. It tended to solve problems through the power of technobabble much more than any other trek before, and had totally unlikable characters to boot. Captain Janeway - trying to be a female John Wayne didn't really work and her more authoritative posture attempts always made me cringe. Paris and Kim - bland, faceless characters without any character whatsoever. The Doctor - there was potential there but they ruined him as well with a bunch of stupid writing. Kes - oh how I celebrated when she left the show. Neelix - almost as bad as Jar-Jar; the less said about him the better. Tuvok - take Spock, remove every interesting thing about him and presto, Voyager's chief of security. Chakotay was somewhat tolerable but that wasn't enough to save the rest. No wonder they had to force a 3 sizes too small costume onto Jeri Ryan's body, fabric holding on to it's dear life, to get some of the ratings back.
And don't even get me started on the Borg kids.. Voyager had maybe 4-5 relatively decent episodes in it's entire 7 season run. That's a pretty bad ratio.
Of course, I find the entire Star Trek universe somewhat sterile, boring, and lame - but Voyager was definitely the worst of the lot, imo.
Oh, don't get me wrong - I didn't think much of it in general; it only had four basic episodes: enemy boarding, trapped in the holodeck, time paradox and crew members turned into another life form. It was generally poor, and Chackotays continual insubordination should have seen him airlocked while Kes, Neelix and 7of9 were so dull they had to give them bright colour make up and fancy dress outfits just to keep the viewers from nodding off. But the episodes where Voyager had collided with an ice planet and the crew had all died apart from Chackotay and Kim, who died in a future unauthorised mission to change the past and save the crew, Scorpion and the one where the ship was falling apart and the crew eventually realise they are copies of the real Voyager, made of some weird material on a planet from a previous episode, and are destroyed before the real Voyager can reach them were some of the best TV Trek ever filmed.
I really dislike TNG, though. It was so PC and dull, with everyone on the crew noble, incredibly highly educated and fearless - there were only a handful of occasions where any crew member had any character flaws, and they were always very junior ranks like Dwight Shultz and Michelle Forbes' characters. They even let a kid regularly fly the ship! Tactical decisions were made by the psychological councillor, and combat engagements were met by urgent staff meetings in the conference room because the Captain was too weak to make a decision to fire back without everyone else having a touchy-feely session first. At least Janeway was decisive and tough; ridiculous at times, but the best Trek commander yet.
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Voyager was another TNG spin-off that had more bad episodes than good but was still better than TNG (and at its best was the best series of the franchise, IMHO), which itself was a superior spin-off from the original.
This is where we disagree. I found Voyager to be the worst of Star Trek. It tended to solve problems through the power of technobabble much more than any other trek before, and had totally unlikable characters to boot. Captain Janeway - trying to be a female John Wayne didn't really work and her more authoritative posture attempts always made me cringe. Paris and Kim - bland, faceless characters without any character whatsoever. The Doctor - there was potential there but they ruined him as well with a bunch of stupid writing. Kes - oh how I celebrated when she left the show. Neelix - almost as bad as Jar-Jar; the less said about him the better. Tuvok - take Spock, remove every interesting thing about him and presto, Voyager's chief of security. Chakotay was somewhat tolerable but that wasn't enough to save the rest. No wonder they had to force a 3 sizes too small costume onto Jeri Ryan's body, fabric holding on to it's dear life, to get some of the ratings back.
And don't even get me started on the Borg kids.. Voyager had maybe 4-5 relatively decent episodes in it's entire 7 season run. That's a pretty bad ratio.
Of course, I find the entire Star Trek universe somewhat sterile, boring, and lame - but Voyager was definitely the worst of the lot, imo.
Oh, don't get me wrong - I didn't think much of it in general; it only had four basic episodes: enemy boarding, trapped in the holodeck, time paradox and crew members turned into another life form. It was generally poor, and Chackotays continual insubordination should have seen him airlocked while Kes, Neelix and 7of9 were so dull they had to give them bright colour make up and fancy dress outfits just to keep the viewers from nodding off. But the episodes where Voyager had collided with an ice planet and the crew had all died apart from Chackotay and Kim, who died in a future unauthorised mission to change the past and save the crew, Scorpion and the one where the ship was falling apart and the crew eventually realise they are copies of the real Voyager, made of some weird material on a planet from a previous episode, and are destroyed before the real Voyager can reach them were some of the best TV Trek ever filmed.
I really dislike TNG, though. It was so PC and dull, with everyone on the crew noble, incredibly highly educated and fearless - there were only a handful of occasions where any crew member had any character flaws, and they were always very junior ranks like Dwight Shultz and Michelle Forbes' characters. They even let a kid regularly fly the ship! Tactical decisions were made by the psychological councillor, and combat engagements were met by urgent staff meetings in the conference room because the Captain was too weak to make a decision to fire back without everyone else having a touchy-feely session first. At least Janeway was decisive and tough; ridiculous at times, but the best Trek commander yet.
imo, she's the worst. She was set up as a Scientist, then ends as duke nuke'ems nihilistic sister, while Chakotay was set up as bone hard freedom fighter and ends up as Janeways lapdog.
They had the opportunity to create tension with the Maquis/ federation crew, and a federation Captain who handles Diplomacy and Science, stays true to the ideals of the federation and trys to be strong for the crew.
And her right hand, a Maquis XO, who handles combat situations, makes the hard calls and gives a **** about federation principles and always trys the "right" thing to get them home asap, without being a conscienceless dick.
This two things alone could have made awesome main and secondary plots.
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Agree with Angelus above. Kate Mulgrew's acting was so bad it occasionally made me embarrassed to be watching the show - even if I was completely alone in the house at the time.
Definitely the worst. Before The Old Man, I considered Picard to be the best sci fi command character. Of course, ol' Bill wipes the floor with all of the trek cast combined in it's entire history :)
edit: Snagger does bring up a valid point of Picard calling a conference in the middle of every tense situation; this could get ridiculous at times. "Captain, there's an unknown powerful enemy ship out there, not responding to hails, and they're targeting us!"
"Ok then. Time to pull every senior officer from the bridge into the conference room; the aliens hopefully won't fire on us while we're all listening to Troi telling us they're feeling anxiety." Patrick Stewart is at least a decent actor, however, so I didn't feel my IQ drop if he was assuming a more authoritative posture as I did with Janeway.
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Agree with Angelus above. Kate Mulgrew's acting was so bad it occasionally made me embarrassed to be watching the show - even if I was completely alone in the house at the time.
Definitely the worst. Before The Old Man, I considered Picard to be the best sci fi command character. Of course, ol' Bill wipes the floor with all of the trek cast combined in it's entire history :)
This is so true.
On a side note, i heard that the old man was considered as an option to play the role of Captain Picard... i wonder what difference this would have made... probably not much, considering the scripts.
Not to bash Patrick Stewart, which is in my opinion a very good actor.
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TVTropes has several pages of Janeway being a horribly, horribly inconsistant character. Kate Mulgrew is only one part of the whole mess, the bigger part was that the writers never could decide how to portrait her.
Not to mention that they insisted on starting the whole series with one epic wallbanger, and got downhill from there.
Depending On The Writer (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DependingOnTheWriter): It's arguable that one reason for the Personality Of The Week portrayal of Captain Janeway was that writers were conflicted between making the first female Trek captain 'strong (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RealWomenNeverWearDresses)' versus the desire for her to appear 'feminine'. Thus Janeway would veer between Action Girl (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ActionGirl), Self-Destruct-The-Ship-Crazy (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GeneralRipper), Team Mom (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TeamMom), Staunch Leader (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheCaptain), Noble Sufferer (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheChainsOfCommanding), Outrageous Flirt (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShipTease), Celibate Heroine (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CelibateHero), etc, etc, etc, much to actor Kate Mulgrew's irritation.
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I agree with all of your comments. The point I'm trying to get at is that Voyager was much maligned, and for the most part deservedly so, but few remember its handful of good episodes. meanwhile, TNG is vastly over-rated. My view is that while TNG was on average the better show, the best few episodes of Voyager were better than any of the TOS, TNG or DS9 episodes.
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At least Janeway was decisive and tough; ridiculous at times, but the best Trek commander yet.
your forgetting Sisko and kirk, I'd say.
voyager was fairly entertaining, at times, but pretty head-banging dumb about as many times. its best shows were as good as the great shows of the other series, but DS9, with "pale moonlight" is the best of trek in my books. TNG was weak when it was too preachy, which it was for quite a bit of the first 2 seasons, I agree,
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well, Sisko and Kirk are good Captains too, all three well written and well acted, very very very rarely out of character. Unlike Janeway.
I haven't seen all of DS9 yet, but i've seen "in the pale moonlight", and i agree, that's a good episode, among the best of Trek.
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I agree with all of your comments. The point I'm trying to get at is that Voyager was much maligned, and for the most part deservedly so, but few remember its handful of good episodes. meanwhile, TNG is vastly over-rated. My view is that while TNG was on average the better show, the best few episodes of Voyager were better than any of the TOS, TNG or DS9 episodes.
I've got to strongly disagree. TNG wiped the floor with Voyager when it was at its best. Compare the Borg in Best of Both Worlds with the same enemy in Scorpion and it shows. The Borg were truly scary in TNG. They were relentless, pitiless and almost unstoppable. When they had a weakness it was directly due to the way they operated as a hive mind and not some technobabble anti-Borg weapon.
In Voyager they were just a powerful enemy race. Even in the good Voyager episodes they weren't scary.
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You jerks are ignoring the best Starship Captain in space!
(http://images.jw-whq.net/zapp.jpg)
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Who is this?
and Bill Adama is the best starship CO. :P
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It's the man with no name, Zapp Brannigan!
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Who is this?
You didn't watch Futurama? Man, you're just letting the best in life pass you by :)
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Who is this?
:eek:
and i had such a good opinion of you.
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So will he be the CO of the Sobek? >_>
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:nervous: well, i haven't watched a lot of episodes of Futurama, actually only a few due to ... RL issues ... and not having my TV in the room where the PC is ... and such.
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Well, fix your noob mistake and watch it already. Futurama is not optional.
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Well, fix your noob mistake and watch it already. Futurama is not optional.
Resistence is futile, i guess?
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So will he be the CO of the Sobek? >_>
And will the landing bay be clad in the sexiest red shade of velour???
That Futurama episode with Melbar and the TOS Trek crew was one of the funniest cartoons I ever saw. You have to give it to The Shat for sending himself up so much!
I suppose Sisko did improve as the story progressed, but he was weak at the beginning. Top be fair, I think DS9 was meant to be a pretty unimportant post for a low experience Commander, hence early Sisko, until they moved it to a more important position, but then they should have had an Admiral in charge! I found the whole emissary thing excruciatingly boring, too. I just couldn't shake of the early Sisko, so probably never saw the matured character in a fair light.
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I agree with just about everything this crew says.
Everyone loves a good sci fi storyline with plenty of action.
Heck I caught a really odd series on Hulu; total Recall 2070
http://www.hulu.com/total-recall-2070
Never even knew it existed, its older a little hokey but fun.
Even the old episodes of The Flash were fun.
There seems like there are so many great stories out there...
Why on earth are these bozo's playing horror movie s**t and wrestling all of the time?
I don't watch any of it. I don't know anyone who does, do you?
Then when they do have something decent they keep doing these massive delays in airing the next season?
I see everyone telling them they are stupid for doing it, but they still do it.
Then it tanks and well, nobody is surprised...
So why do these jerks handling this sort of programming business model have jobs still after 4 years?
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They're trying for a BSG spin off based on the 1st Cylon War next, which, if successful, should be pretty cool. Caprica never stood a chance; first they had the DVD release way before the pilot was aired. Then, in all their wisdom, they thought an almost a year long mid season break was a good idea. And after all that they decided to be surprised by the lower than expected ratings and cancel it. With that sort of treatment it's a wonder they didn't Firefly it and kill it mid-season.
They'll just do the same thing with Blood and Chrome. Year-long "mid season" breaks, changing the day and time it comes back after each "break", release the DVDs before the channel air date, season x.5, etc. Then they'll wonder why their ratings are so low and cancel it. I doubt I'll even bother watching it due to Syfy's track record for its shows.