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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: DarthWang on November 18, 2010, 08:18:14 am
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Where does this nickname for Vasudans come from? :headz:
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Old campaign. Derived from 'Zodiac', because zodiacal symbols were used for their fighter wings, I believe.
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Derived from 'Zodiac', because zodiacal symbols were used for their fighter wings, I believe.
:nod:
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Plus, Zod is faster to type than Vasudan...
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Well whenever I hear Zod, I think of this guy:
(http://politicalvindication.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/kneel_before_zod.jpg)
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****ing zods
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Old campaign. Derived from 'Zodiac', because zodiacal symbols were used for their fighter wings, I believe.
Not a campaign, just me. You can blame me for it. Though that is the reason.
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Wow. That was really easy. When I wanted to learn that, I had to go on some sort of googlequest and found an old archived thread. I suppose sometimes it's just better to ask...
inb4dekker
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Yeah, just don't ask about FS3.
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Yeah, just don't ask about FS3.
I think that's more or less history now too.
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****ing zods
inb4dekker
:mad:
ZODSCUMs
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Vasudans are wonderful. :D
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Ok.
Mekhu > Subach
Zod.Body.PhysicalStrength > Terran.Body.PhysicalStrength
Hatshepsut > Hecate
Original typhon > Original Orion
Zod.Language >>>> Terran.Language :lol:
That's the way i see it :) The only area where terrans rule are fighters, because they were the only playable race in retail. Not bombers though, Sekhmet rules ;)
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I admit, i too love the Sekkie..............
But i still shower for a full week after using it.
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs203.snc1/7028_170318037848_607142848_2804622_6640917_n.jpg)
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That's the way i see it :) The only area where terrans rule are fighters, because they were the only playable race in retail. Not bombers though, Sekhmet rules ;)
I dunno, the Ursa's pretty good too. I used it in mutli yesterday and was going around killing Dragons (and killed a Dragon once with Helios bombs only)
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Original typhon > Original Orion
IIRC, the Typhon has a terrible weapon subsystem placement and resistance, which means a FS1-era Orion vs Typhon duel often end up in favor of the Orion.
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But the first Typhon encountered by GTA forces could still manage to take the GTD Eisenhower and much of the 4th fleet out. Element of surprise? In any case, I don't see why the Typhon should be considered inferior to the Orion.
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Mobius said it. Historically, the first deployment of Typhon class was bigger success than the orion. Of course that probablt depended on fighters and bombers heavily thanks to the FS1 era having only blob turrets. But in FS2, the Orion is totally the winner, but the Hatshepsut pwns 'em all so it's another round for the Zods.
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It's fluff, stuff that isn't in the game either due to balance, technical difficulties, or lack of time. Both ships should have had many more turrets (around 27 like the Hecate).
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Ok.
Mekhu > Subach
Zod.Body.PhysicalStrength > Terran.Body.PhysicalStrength
Hatshepsut > Hecate
Original typhon > Original Orion
Zod.Language >>>> Terran.Language :lol:
That's the way i see it :) The only area where terrans rule are fighters, because they were the only playable race in retail. Not bombers though, Sekhmet rules
What about beam cannons? Terran beams are more powerful, and they have the Mjolnir.
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What about beam cannons? Terran beams are more powerful, and they have the Mjolnir.
While I'll grant you the Mjolnir, I thought Vasudan beams were more powerful compared to their Terran counterparts.
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BFGreen and LRBGreen beg to disagree
Also Terrans are overall better when it comes to sentry guns
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But BFGreen and LRBGreen don't have Vasudan counterparts. BVas > BGreen in damage per minute (due to shorter recharge time), SVas > SGreen in well... everything, and VSlash > TerSlash in damage.
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But the fact is that the BFGreen and LRBGreen exist
Terrans also have the Hades
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Terrans also have the Hades
Well they had me, but I was destroyed by some bombers and a single Fenris. It was so embarrassing, That's why I'm missing the last part of my username. :(
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Terrans also have the Hades
Well they had me, but I was destroyed by some bombers and a single Fenris. It was so embarrassing, That's why I'm missing the last part of my username. :(
STR fixes that
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Despite the quality difference, ST:R is not canon, the original campaign is.
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But the fact is that the BFGreen and LRBGreen exist
Terrans also have the Hades
The Hades uses Shivan technology, and all I'm saying is that where there are counterparts, the Vasudan beams are better. We can extrapolate that if the BFGreen and LRBGreen had Vasudan counterparts, the Vasudan ones would outperform the Terran ones.
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But the fact remains that there aren't counterparts.
And the BFGreen is simply the BGreen being overcharged.
Perhaps Vasudan beams don't respond as kindly to being overcharged.
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But the fact remains that there aren't counterparts.
And the BFGreen is simply the BGreen being overcharged.
Perhaps Vasudan beams don't respond as kindly to being overcharged.
Or perhaps it's more of a case of the Vasudans not having a ship which mounts their beams and can as safely overcharge them like the Colossus.
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Saying that the BFGreen and LRBGreen have no counterparts is like saying that the Colossus doesn't have a Vasudan counterpart. They might well be a joint project in epic beamzorz firepowahzorzzzz up to over 9000.
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Ok, and just how many ships use BFGreen/LRBGreen? Only colossus in one mission and it fried his fire control :lol: Not a good thing imho. Few more shots and the colossus won't be able to fire a single salvo. And yes, Hades is far from terran technology.
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Saying that the BFGreen and LRBGreen have no counterparts is like saying that the Colossus doesn't have a Vasudan counterpart. They might well be a joint project in epic beamzorz firepowahzorzzzz up to over 9000.
...Except it's not the same thing. The Colossus is a hybrid bastard from both races which normally uses BGreens, and BFGreens and LRBGreens are just overcharged bgreens.
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But the fact remains that there aren't counterparts.
And the BFGreen is simply the BGreen being overcharged.
Perhaps Vasudan beams don't respond as kindly to being overcharged.
The Vasudans know how to build and mantain reactors. I wouldn't underestimate their capacity to do the unexpectable in battle.
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The abiity to fleeeeeeeeeeeeee wearing nothing but their pantsless armour.
That or have the PVD Pinnacles engine stall............................
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If i recall correctly then in argonautica it was the Aquitaine that wasn't moving and it made it out in rough shape as well :P
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Zod reactor ;)
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no matter. In both cases the engines were blown to bits by weapon fire if i remember correctly. But while we are at reactors, then "piece of junk" detonators were able to breach the core of 80% reactors mounted on herc II :D
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Don't forget that the Vasudans had to rebuild their fleet from the ground up to support beams in the first place(only a few modified Typhons still being in existence). One would think they'd give a lot of attention to the reason they had to rebuild their fleet, while for all we can tell, the Terrans got to just plug in their new beams and go(I'm sure there were power and cooling system updates, but there's no mention of new reactors or such).
Given that modern Vasudan reactors are also generally considered to be superior(Deimos fluff, and pretty clearly accepted fanon), I'd probably bet that Hatshepsuts are more likely to be able to 'BFVas' their cannons than upgraded Orions would be able to BFGreen theirs. It might make sense that, being newer, the Hecate could BFGreen its sole BGreen, but we recently discussed that to death. :p
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But if you took a look at all tech descriptions, you'd notice that, for example, Terrans are willing to base their fleets on Deimos corvettes and retire all cruisers from service (Fenris, Leviathan = old, Aeolus = produced in limited numbers) while the Vasudans will normally use Mentus and Sobeks. Also, it's quite weird how the Hatshepsut has pretty much replaced the Typhon at the time of FS2 while the Hecate can be rarely found in Terran fleets due to its young age.
Oddities... :nervous:
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Irrelevant as it's a little known fact that all Zods smell like rotten scampi. . . The second largest contributor to the outbreak of the fourteen year war.
Odd fanon but IRREFUTABLY TRUE angryfaic.
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Stop picking on Zods, racists! :lol: Their reactors are heavily used by terrans and they are responsoble for designing the GTVA ships in BP:AoA. You gonna tell me those are bad? :D
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Yes. :warp:
To be more precise, they are better than many Capella-era warships, but they still don't really match up in some situations. The originality of most of the post-Capella ships is astounding. To wit:
1. Place absurd amount of forward guns
2. Fire all batteries
3. ???
4. PROFIT!
Yeah, we've not seen any other species do that before. :rolleyes:
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Stop picking on Zods, racists! :lol:
Lol, check my signature.
And how can you (not the person im quoting) say Silent Threat: Reborn is not cannon? They made it, and sold it as a game. Not as freeware. Its like saying FS1 is not cannon due to FS2 being better quality wise (wether or not that statement is true, im making a point).
Vasudan weaps may be stonger, ships may be better, but we still managed a even stalemate in a 14 year war. We got something good going.
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Stop picking on Zods, racists! :lol:
Lol, check my signature.
And how can you (not the person im quoting) say Silent Threat: Reborn is not cannon? They made it, and sold it as a game. Not as freeware. Its like saying FS1 is not cannon due to FS2 being better quality wise (wether or not that statement is true, im making a point).
Silent Threat Reborn was never made by V and never sold. It was made by Goober and Galemp and released less than two years ago, IIRC.
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Oh General, you sniped my reply D:
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What am I thinking of then?
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What am I thinking of then?
Silent Threat?
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Silent Threat?
You just sniped my reply this time! :p
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Ah thats it, lol!
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Yes. :warp:
To be more precise, they are better than many Capella-era warships, but they still don't really match up in some situations. The originality of most of the post-Capella ships is astounding. To wit:
1. Place absurd amount of forward guns
2. Fire all batteries
3. ???
4. PROFIT!
Yeah, we've not seen any other species do that before. :rolleyes:
That's the whole point - it's even mentioned in the tech descriptions. The BP ships are designed to imitate Shivan shock jumps and destroy ships much larger than themselves. Pretty good counter for Shivan ships for a species without the resources to build 90 juggernauts to counter 90 juggernauts.
The Diomedes and Raynor are the ships designed to operate in a more traditional fashion, and they really are much superior to the Deimos and Orion in many ways.
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I object to the topic title based on its current content and request it be changed to something non-zoddish. :yes:
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On the topic of all the BP: AoA ships. I dunno. They are good ships, but I always kind of likes the feel of FS1/FS2 where the Zods got their sleek ships with smooth lines and Terrans had the blocky utilitarian ships.
Plus the Raynor makes me think of starcraft, where the terrans once again have blocky utilitarian hardware haha.
However the new ships are excellent, it just did seem to be a very radical design departure. If there is so much of a rift between terrans and vasudans as described in BP, then why are the terrans letting the vasudans design their ships?
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Industry practice? They've been doing it since the Deimos and Myrmidon, which was about 20 years before WiH, I think.
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I guess there's something to that, but relations were also stronger then. Personal opinion, but I think in a situation where the alliance is on the verge of collapse because of xenophobic tensions I think that paranoia would trump industry practice on that point.
Also it just kind of hit me, maybe this massive new wave of ship construction is the reason the terrans economy is hurting so bad haha. I mean, look at FS2, thirty years after the great war. There are still a great deal of ships from the great war era in service, albeit refitted.
But the Deimos in particular is described as being ultra modern and the foundation of tommorow's fleet.
Fast forward 20 years and we have two new corvette classes, two new destroyers and more cruisers. I mean, I am fully behind that, Terrans needed a much more diverse fleet, but i guess the Deimos just couldnt hold up the day after tommorow's fleet :lol:
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The Deimos is still the foundation of the fleet, and there are a lot of them. The next-gen TEI ships are fairly rare by comparison.
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Well keep in mind that we only see the really cutting edge Tev ships in AoA and WiH (I think there are only two battlegroups that use the new ships; the 14th and 15th Battlegroups). I'm sure the majority of the GTVA still uses Deimoses (and GW-era ships too), as we see from the majority of the 2nd Fleet.
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The Deimos should be very frequent 20 years after the Capella accident (especially considering the reasons why it was built in the first place).
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If we're talking about Blue Planet, I'm sure if you went around and saw the rest of the fleet you'd definitely see a lot bigger proportion of Deimoses than we actually have seen in the campaigns.
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But since this is not the BP forum... :nervous:
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Well we were talking about BP just now.
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But this is General FreeSpace, so opinions regarding the regular FS Universe should be welcome. :)
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Well I think the reporting should have done more to show the context in which these comments were being made.
Anyway.
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You're right. Sorry.
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It's okay Mobius. We love you really. :)
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Haha, funny joke. :p
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I guess yeah, just, in context with the FS universe, even if they are in rare battle groups there seems to have been well. An explosion of new ship designs.
I just have trouble reconciling the high military spending that would require with the shambles of the Terran economy. A new destroyer? good, probably necessary. TWO new destroyer designs? How on earth did Terran command sell that to the security council? Ditto for corvettes. Someone in the planning department had a little bit to much coffee I think
On the other hand, I positively love the introduction of logistics ships. <---- Major making of sense right there
Ditto for ships you know, actually retreating rather then sitting there and eating bombs, although it is disappointing to not make things go 'boom' quite as often, it's excellent from a realism standpoint.
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I just have trouble reconciling the high military spending that would require with the shambles of the Terran economy. A new destroyer? good, probably necessary. TWO new destroyer designs? How on earth did Terran command sell that to the security council? Ditto for corvettes. Someone in the planning department had a little bit to much coffee I think
The GTVA is super paranoid about the Shivans and had to come up with some ways of fighting them. If you remember the Procyon Insurgency, one of the reasons behind the rebellion's rise was due to massive military spending instead of on what really mattered to the population. Something similar probably happened in the BP universe in the form of the mini-brush wars mentioned in the fiction.
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I guess yeah, just, in context with the FS universe, even if they are in rare battle groups there seems to have been well. An explosion of new ship designs.
I just have trouble reconciling the high military spending that would require with the shambles of the Terran economy. A new destroyer? good, probably necessary. TWO new destroyer designs? How on earth did Terran command sell that to the security council? Ditto for corvettes. Someone in the planning department had a little bit to much coffee I think
here's how they sold it
****ing SHIVANS! ****ing EIGHTY! ****! ****!
whatever the GTVA did to get these projects funded, you can bet it was pretty blunt, and it probably did not help the economy as a whole. but there were bigger things to worry about.
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Returning to the comparisson between vassudan and terran assets , gti Arcadia > Vasudan installation ( i dont remember the name)
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Do the Zods even have an installation in canon?
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I wanna say that the installation in ST:R is canon. :nervous:
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Do the Zods even have an installation in canon?
No. They even stole an Arcadia in Operation Templar.
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No, there is no canonical Vasudan installation. Another proof of ridiculous Zod hateness.
The Karnak is a good fanon GW-era Zod installation though.
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No, there is no canonical Vasudan installation. Another proof of ridiculous Zod hateness.
The Karnak is a good fanon GW-era Zod installation though.
Except for the part where you just have to blast the door and shoot the reactor inside to kill it
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What's wrong with that ?
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What's wrong with that ?
Agreed - the easier to kill zods the better.
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It's a SW-like feature that was missing in FreeSpace. I for one liked to see something like the Karnak.
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I <3 Zods so much I'd marry one.
Smells like fish.
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No, there is no canonical Vasudan installation. Another proof of ridiculous Zod hateness.
The Karnak is a good fanon GW-era Zod installation though.
Except for the part where you just have to blast the door and shoot the reactor inside to kill it
Shoot the core for terrible, terrible damage!
:P