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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Nico on May 01, 2002, 05:10:48 pm
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(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/ott/renders/avengerrender01.jpg)
Killmenow pushed me into making a high poly mech, sorry if it's not great, I'm better at low poly models :p
It was also a good accasion to experiment with fog in Max, so voila, enjoy ( or not ).
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Cool mech you have there, and a great atmosphere too. Two thumbs up! :yes: :yes:
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Hot Damn, Venom.
That looks really good. My only complaints are pretty much all engineering sorta things, not model/render sort of things. Now animate it. ;)
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Lots of people modelling 'mechs lately... we could start the HLP Mech War... :D
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ermmm...:jaw: wow!!!
Styxx: don't go giving people ideas now......:D
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Originally posted by Styxx
Cool mech you have there, and a great atmosphere too. Two thumbs up! :yes: :yes:
I agree with Sticks.
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Originally posted by Corsair
Styxx: don't go giving people ideas now......:D
Why not? A mech rogues gallery could be fun. :D
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its better than KMN's. ahhhhh! *runs from KMN*
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Originally posted by mikhael
Hot Damn, Venom.
That looks really good. My only complaints are pretty much all engineering sorta things, not model/render sort of things. Now animate it. ;)
well, at least, I made sure there was all the needed axis so it could really walk. only thing that is wrong imho is the pivot between the torso and the hip, it's too small.
About animaing it, all the hierarchy is already done and the pivots placed right :) IK works already,; but I have to understand how to set limits now, coz for now it's way too mobile :p
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Whazza wid all de mechs alla sudden, eh?
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
Whazza wid all de mechs alla sudden, eh?
:wtf:
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Originally posted by venom2506
well, at least, I made sure there was all the needed axis so it could really walk. only thing that is wrong imho is the pivot between the torso and the hip, it's too small.
About animaing it, all the hierarchy is already done and the pivots placed right :) IK works already,; but I have to understand how to set limits now, coz for now it's way too mobile :p
I was thinking about the toes and the like. The pivot for the toes is set to high, which means for the thing to rest flat, the toes have to pivot up in the air. It should be lower down, in line with the center of the toe.
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Originally posted by mikhael
I was thinking about the toes and the like. The pivot for the toes is set to high, which means for the thing to rest flat, the toes have to pivot up in the air. It should be lower down, in line with the center of the toe.
It's not supposed to rest flat, the toes are used as schock-absorbers, so are the rails on the bottom part of the leg, the pivot can run all along it ( you might notice the one that stands in front is down on this rails, the one in the background is not, for the leg that doesn't touch the ground) See, I thought about my stuff :)
I forgot to "bend" the axis between the thigh and the hips tho, it's a separate piece, serves as shockabsorber too, plus allows larger movements for turns or "climbing".
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Does it have jump jets too? ;7
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Originally posted by Styxx
Does it have jump jets too? ;7
her, no :p
I couldn't never understand how the battlemechs of BT could maintain balance while using jumpjets :p
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Originally posted by venom2506
her, no :p
I couldn't never understand how the battlemechs of BT could maintain balance while using jumpjets :p
Aaaww... :(
It doesn't have to be realistic, it just has to fly! :D
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Originally posted by Styxx
Aaaww... :(
It doesn't have to be realistic, it just has to fly! :D
bah, if you want to fly, you don't pilot a mech lol
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Originally posted by venom2506
her, no :p
I couldn't never understand how the battlemechs of BT could maintain balance while using jumpjets :p
Neurohelmet and gyro, silly :p
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Something with Neurohelmets I bet. Keeps their balance. Blah.
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Originally posted by venom2506
bah, if you want to fly, you don't pilot a mech lol
But flying Mechs are so cool! Come on, you love anime, don't tell me you don't like flying mechs! :D
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Originally posted by Styxx
But flying Mechs are so cool! Come on, you love anime, don't tell me you don't like flying mechs! :D
bah, you can't compare a mech and a... mecha lol, sure a veritech or any robot from Nadesico would rule the BT ( let's not mention the Gunbuster lol)
hey, btw, gyros are not enough to stabilise a 150 tons machine :p
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Originally posted by venom2506
bah, you can't compare a mech and a... mecha
Well, if you made them flying mechs... ;7
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Originally posted by venom2506
It's not supposed to rest flat, the toes are used as schock-absorbers, so are the rails on the bottom part of the leg, the pivot can run all along it ( you might notice the one that stands in front is down on this rails, the one in the background is not, for the leg that doesn't touch the ground) See, I thought about my stuff :)
I didn't mention this originally, Venom, because its not important for a render. Its an engineering issue.
So when the mech has no power, the toes remain flat somehow? And this thing is so lightweight that a little bitty hinge like that is all that's needed? From a simple engineering perspective, you can't do that. Try it with something as light as Legos, it won't work (I know from experience). Try it with something as heavy as steel, and you've got some serious problems.
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Originally posted by venom2506
bah, you can't compare a mech and a... mecha lol, sure a veritech or any robot from Nadesico would rule the BT ( let's not mention the Gunbuster lol)
hey, btw, gyros are not enough to stabilise a 150 tons machine :p
I dunno..
The assault Mechs could probably take em..
Atlas, Stone Rhino, Kodiak, Dire Wolf...
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Originally posted by Thorn
I dunno..
The assault Mechs could probably take em..
Atlas, Stone Rhino, Kodiak, Dire Wolf...
mmh, nope, no way. those things can dodge swarmers of two dozens of missiles, so there's no way a mech could hit one of those. Btw, you've noticed FASA ripped some designs from robotech? :D ( glaug--> marauder, for exemple)
Mike: pneumatics, dude, pneumatics :) I've tried with legos, it does work ;7
Hmm, it's not like I don't know anything about engineering. Ok, one year of STI won't make an engineer out of me, but still I know quite a few basics.
Btw, the toes are made of two parts, dunno if you can see it on the render.
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Originally posted by venom2506
mmh, nope, no way. those things can dodge swarmers of two dozens of missiles, so there's no way a mech could hit one of those. Btw, you've noticed FASA ripped some designs from robotech? :D ( glaug--> marauder, for exemple)
They have missiles of their own, especially the Kodiak....
That and these things are 100 tons or over...
Extremely heavy armor....
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Originally posted by Styxx
Lots of people modelling 'mechs lately... we could start the HLP Mech War... :D
Then I'd go use a tank and kick serious ass. :D
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Yeah, and besides, somebody filed a lawsuit against FASA for ripping the designs. I forget who. Anyways, they're not official anymore.
And personally, I think a Stone Rhino with Gauss might be able to take them..
Oh yeah, and BattleTech tanks kick ass too :p Fun fun
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Originally posted by Shrike
Then I'd go use a tank and kick serious ass. :D
LOL! :lol:
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The word "crunch" comes to mind..
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Originally posted by Alikchi
Yeah, and besides, somebody filed a lawsuit against FASA for ripping the designs. I forget who. Anyways, they're not official anymore.
And personally, I think a Stone Rhino with Gauss might be able to take them..
Oh yeah, and BattleTech tanks kick ass too :p Fun fun
someone who knows about battletech! joy! no one where I live wants to play it with me :sigh:
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Originally posted by Styxx
But flying Mechs are so cool! Come on, you love anime, don't tell me you don't like flying mechs! :D
Speaking of flying mechs, the Wing Zero from Gundam Wing was pretty damn cool...
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
Speaking of flying mechs, the Wing Zero from Gundam Wing was pretty damn cool...
No, no. That was a mecha. :D
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from a render art point of view its a cool mech (regret convinceing venom to do one but to late now :D) but from engineering perpective the waist if you can call it that ona mech looks weaker than an 90 year granny with a zimmer frame
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Originally posted by Styxx
No, no. That was a mecha. :D
Same difference :p
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Originally posted by CODEDOG ND
its better than KMN's. ahhhhh! *runs from KMN*
runs from my new mech or slightly improved mech :D run flee my mini mechs coming to get yah and those be transphasic torpedos she be carrying
http://cazzoo.free.fr/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=545#545
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*jumps in Madkitty Mk2* ummm? You wanna mess with me?
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[summons all the demons of Hell]
Fanboi syndrome aside, this is a space game forum. No playing with your mech toys, or you'll tempt me to bring out my Cthulu dolls again.:D
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
[summons all the demons of Hell]
Fanboi syndrome aside, this is a space game forum. No playing with your mech toys, or you'll tempt me to bring out my Cthulu dolls again.:D
*goes and sits in corner* Did you really have to brings those things out? :(
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Originally posted by CODEDOG ND
Madkitty
:lol:
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its my madkitty mk2 loaded with about a million tons of LBX cannons. It's evil, never make fun of the kitty kat mk2!!! >:
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Another mech aye??? Well, perhaps I should buy the game, to understand the thing you've got about mechs. Anyway a decent :jaw: as always
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"sob"
the evil OT deamon stikes again I see :p
mmh, where are my 52 daishis, I need some regulators here :p
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Originally posted by CODEDOG ND
*jumps in Madkitty Mk2* ummm? You wanna mess with me?
*Sneaks up on him in my Mad Cat (or Timberwolf) and blow off it's legs with the ERPPCs* What were you saying?
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Originally posted by venom2506
"sob"
the evil OT deamon stikes again I see :p
mmh, where are my 52 daishis, I need some regulators here :p
In pieces, ripped apart by my 200 Kodiaks.....
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
Speaking of flying mechs, the Wing Zero from Gundam Wing was pretty damn cool...
Have you seen GW - Endless Waltz. The Gundams are a bit more customized in it :D
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Originally posted by Gortef
Have you seen GW - Endless Waltz. The Gundams are a bit more customized in it :D
Yeah, most of them were pretty cool. I just didn't really like the Wing Zero Custom....
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The mechs look neat and the background is really good (:yes:), but the torsos are tiny and look way too weak to support that kind of weight.
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Originally posted by CP5670
but the torsos are tiny and look way too weak to support that kind of weight.
yeah, I know, when i noticed it was way to late ( the pic takes very long to render, multi layered fog + raytracing + atmospheric shadows is kindda heavy on CPU :p )
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
Yeah, most of them were pretty cool. I just didn't really like the Wing Zero Custom....
Someone shoot him. Quick. Thru the head. We need to put this poor deluded man out of his misery.
The Wing Zero Custom is the single best Gundam design ever (in my opinion). I have the Bandai Perfect Grade kit of it, the 'standard' Wing Zero and a 1/60th scale Gundam Wing.
See V? I do like some anime. ;)
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Originally posted by venom2506
Mike: pneumatics, dude, pneumatics :) I've tried with legos, it does work ;7
Hmm, it's not like I don't know anything about engineering. Ok, one year of STI won't make an engineer out of me, but still I know quite a few basics.
Btw, the toes are made of two parts, dunno if you can see it on the render.
I used pneumatics, as well as spring shocks. I can make it work, but only so long as I can maintain pressure in the reservoir. With leaky rubber tubing, that's only a few days.
The only problem is that there's no place for your mech's toes to have proper hydraulics. We don't see the pistons housings on top of the toes, so they would have to be underneath. They certainly can't go through the toe joint perpindicular to the transit axis. They must be underneath, but the angle of the toe to the foot and the low ground clearance of the center of the foot, means that you would need very tiny pistons or pistons with an extreme transit. We can see no evidence of either. As far as we can see from that render, those toe-tips would have to be actuated by a gear chain or other such contrivance.
It doesn't take away from the render, it just twigs the engineer part of my brain.
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well, honestly, there's two reasons why I didn't put the pistons: first, lazyness (:p). But really it would be a matter of minute to add them. second, and main reason in fact: my PC could hardly handle it...if I remember well, the damn thing is around 93000 polys... you can imagine the sufferings of my poor PC. I choosed not to put them, and let some fancy fluff a la Star Trek ( so crappy one, I agree), explain why you can't see them. Synthetic muscle maybe, or some scifi crap like that. I never thought of my PC has being a crappy one, but for really high poly models, it lacks, obviously. really, I'm annoyed by this fact, and I might add the pistons anyway ( regardless of my poor computer's complaints), but really, if the thing on it's own works smoothly, two of them on a detailed landscape ( you couldn't tell from this pic, but it has a damn lot of polys too, plus bump map and other fancy settings) is really draining the viewport FPS down, and in this situation, setting up a scene is more a pain than a pleasure, and I do renders coz I enjoy it. just trust me when i say that the way the thing is designed, it has the most realistic features the small knowledge I have about mechanics ( elctromechanics actually, which makes actual mechanics knowledge even smaller) allowed me to produce :). Anyway, I have an idea: I want to make a trully realistic mech ( ArmS actually in that case, but it doesn't matter), and I get the feeling you have probably more knowledge than I do. So if you feel like it, you could try and make a concept featuring realistic mechanics ( but which would have to sacrify a bit on the altar of polycount ), and I would gladly try to reproduce it as closely as possible :) I could base my next models on this basic structure, changing scales and adding various plates to make a wide range of machines ( I have quite a lot of designs :p ).
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Originally posted by mikhael
Someone shoot him. Quick. Thru the head. We need to put this poor deluded man out of his misery.
The Wing Zero Custom is the single best Gundam design ever (in my opinion). I have the Bandai Perfect Grade kit of it, the 'standard' Wing Zero and a 1/60th scale Gundam Wing.
See V? I do like some anime. ;)
hmm, actually, I'm not fond of Gundam... those mechas with almost human faces... huh
"runs"
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the small torso is fine. makes it look likes its a long range mech. Something like a mobile howtizer.
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Originally posted by venom2506
hmm, actually, I'm not fond of Gundam... those mechas with almost human faces... huh
"runs"
They just have eyes and a sculpted chin. An EVA unit has a more 'human' face than most Gundams. Don't the Nadesico mecha have the same sort of human faces?
Oh, and since I mentioned EVA and Nadesico, have you ever watched the opening sequences of both shows side by side? Its hilarious. ;)
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Originally posted by mikhael
They just have eyes and a sculpted chin. An EVA unit has a more 'human' face than most Gundams. Don't the Nadesico mecha have the same sort of human faces?
Oh, and since I mentioned EVA and Nadesico, have you ever watched the opening sequences of both shows side by side? Its hilarious. ;)
for EVA: true, but they ARE humans, this may explain that :p
for nadesico, can't really say, i just saw the first episode of the series, and the movie. I don't remember the Nadesico opening sequence :(
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Originally posted by mikhael
The Wing Zero Custom is the single best Gundam design ever (in my opinion).
I'm not exactly sure if it's The Best (G Double X looks cool too :D) but it sure is Hella Cool! :nod: But whatta heck, most of the Gundams look really good ;)
I was quite impressed with the quadra Vulcans Heavy Arms Custom had, at first it made me laugh though :D
Oh, and since I mentioned EVA and Nadesico, have you ever watched the opening sequences of both shows side by side? Its hilarious.
Err.. you mean both at the same time :wtf: (tries to imagine) It could at east sound weird :nervous:
Btw Speaking of Nadesico, IMHO one of the best sccenes in it was the "Manual launch of the Aestivals" :lol:
But OnTopic, Cool Mechs Nico :nod:
I was thinking about trying to model one mysef too :p
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Originally posted by venom2506
hmm, actually, I'm not fond of Gundam... those mechas with almost human faces... huh
"runs"
I must kill you...:mad2:
Oh, and on a side note, Wing Zero Custom is a very cool much, but it cannot compare to the Hi-Nu Gundam, a kinda of OVA Gundam made for a novel based on the Char's counter-Attack series (one of the series in the UC saga, the *real* Gundam timeline. Gundam Wing and X just take place in alternate universes, though anyone familiar with Gundam would know that already :D). Now, let's see if I can't scrounge a pic of the Hi-Nu for you people...
EDIT: Here we go! http://www.gundam.org/special/bonus10ka800.jpg :D I love this thing...
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Originally posted by venom2506
but they ARE humans, this may explain that
Well, not really humans, but not giant robots either. ;)
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Originally posted by Styxx
Well, not really humans, but not giant robots either. ;)
you have seen The End of Evangelion? they're clones of the first humans, something like that :)
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Actually, they are Angels, just captured and controlled by Nerv...
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Originally posted by delta_7890
(one of the series in the UC saga, the *real* Gundam timeline. Gundam Wing and X just take place in alternate universes, though anyone familiar with Gundam would know that already :D). Now, let's see if I can't scrounge a pic of the Hi-Nu for you people...
EDIT: Here we go! http://www.gundam.org/special/bonus10ka800.jpg :D I love this thing...
Cool! Really cool! :nod: But I still prefer GW0 :D
(then again I'm not that familiar with Gundam universe I guess :p I've seen GW and GX so far)
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I used pneumatics, as well as spring shocks. I can make it work, but only so long as I can maintain pressure in the reservoir. With leaky rubber tubing, that's only a few days.
The only problem is that there's no place for your mech's toes to have proper hydraulics. We don't see the pistons housings on top of the toes, so they would have to be underneath. They certainly can't go through the toe joint perpindicular to the transit axis. They must be underneath, but the angle of the toe to the foot and the low ground clearance of the center of the foot, means that you would need very tiny pistons or pistons with an extreme transit. We can see no evidence of either. As far as we can see from that render, those toe-tips would have to be actuated by a gear chain or other such contrivance.
I would agree there; that section does seem to weak to support the weight of the whole unit. You could put in a pneumatic piston or two in there, but the resulting weight distribution would be very unbalanced (entire weight would be on the far edges of the toes), which is not too good when trying to make a walking machine. ;)
BTW I am a total lego pneumatics fanatic; I have all of the double-pressure pneumatics sets (1989-present) and multiple copies of some. I use pneumatics in just about all my creations; the things are just awesome. :D The old pressure/suction units were also nice and can come in handy for certain tasks. ;)
Also I forgot to mention this earlier; the render is great, but it needs a title. :p
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Originally posted by Styxx
Actually, they are Angels, just captured and controlled by Nerv...
mmh, yeah, but angels are the sons of adam just like humans are, and if I don't say crap ( I saw the subbed japanese version, as usual), the angels were just... "prototypes" for humans, so basically angels are humans too :D
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Originally posted by Gortef
Cool! Really cool! :nod: But I still prefer GW0 :D
(then again I'm not that familiar with Gundam universe I guess :p I've seen GW and GX so far)
Well, I've only seen GW and 08th MS Team myself, though I've made it a goal to get a hold of nearly every Gundam mech's statistics I can. Luckily, a website did that for me. :D
http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/index.htm
For any of you who are interested. Really puts things into perspective as to how large the Gundam universe really is. :D
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*fiuuu* Nice site :nod:
Then again there's the www.gundam.com too :wink:
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Originally posted by venom2506
mmh, yeah, but angels are the sons of adam just like humans are, and if I don't say crap ( I saw the subbed japanese version, as usual), the angels were just... "prototypes" for humans, so basically angels are humans too :D
Indeed, if you twist the definition of "human" real hard, then they are humans, yes... :D
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Originally posted by Styxx
Indeed, if you twist the definition of "human" real hard, then they are humans, yes... :D
lol, that's true, but still, Eva is really twisted :D
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Originally posted by venom2506
lol, that's true, but still, Eva is really twisted :D
Hm, indeed. They manage to twist the definition of "twisted" on that thing... :p
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Originally posted by venom2506
for nadesico, can't really say, i just saw the first episode of the series, and the movie. I don't remember the Nadesico opening sequence :(
If you ever get the chance, do it. Imagine someone broke into Gainax and stole the storyboards for the EVA opening sequences.
Now imagine that they redrew all the Eva's as Nadesicao mecha, and all the characters as Nadesico characters.
They are exactly the same. Its awesome. Somone put together a picture-in-picture EVA/Nadesico opener. The timing is almost to-the-second identical.
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I dunno about anyone else, but it seems to share its spirit with this:
(http://westwood.ea.com/games/ccuniverse/tiberiansun/GDI/assets/gdi_body/sublevel01/subsection03/gdi_subprev01.jpg)
I know it is not very close structurally, but when I look at them together they just seem so related...
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I was actually thinking more of the Titan from TS when I first saw that. ;)
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or Wolverine... was it Wolverine, the lighter Mech in TS :nervous:
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Originally posted by Gortef
or Wolverine... was it Wolverine, the lighter Mech in TS :nervous:
yes, it is, the thing that replaced the humvee (don't ask...)
mmh, it has not much to with either the wolverine, the titan, the mammoth mk2 or the visceroid i think :p