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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Ace on May 01, 2002, 07:49:43 pm
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(http://www.adamantpacified.org/grafix/woman_shirt.jpg)
The above is a test on a softer, more painting like look on a render, very basic.
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Damn good. I gotta get my copy of Poser working... I so want to make stuff like that. :nod::yes:
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Her left breast looks a little caved in.... and she has a scary demonic look to her.... was this the intent?
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Well the lighting might make her mammary glands and arms seem at an odd angle, but I assure you they're alright.
Demonic? Hrmm... you don't get out much do you ;)
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Originally posted by Ace
Well the lighting might make her mammary glands and arms seem at an odd angle, but I assure you they're alright.
Demonic? Hrmm... you don't get out much do you ;)
honestly, I don't know many girls with yellow eyes... her... wait, i do... hargh!!!!!!!!
what's demonic with her is the green/yellow tint of the skin :nod:
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Hey Ace, fancy doing an Admiral Kepler for me? :devilidea:
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she does have a bit of a weird (posably evil) glow about her, I almost expect her to get one of those DBZ fireball auras and start ripping people apart
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I agree that she looks a bit sinister and odd. Resident Evil-esque. But it's nice work... ;)
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what model is that?
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Originally posted by vadar_1
Her left breast looks a little caved in.... and she has a scary demonic look to her.... was this the intent?
:lol:
overall cool looking picture :) :yes:
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Originally posted by heretic
what model is that?
The Deimos, of course. It's just a reskin. :wink:
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That's not the skin color, it's the light... :p
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Is she wearing a bra? Cuz she's pretty low slung....
:D
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Originally posted by Corsair
Is she wearing a bra? Cuz she's pretty low slung.... :D
Is that ALL you can pay attention to? Geez... :p :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Styxx
Is that ALL you can pay attention to? Geez... :p :rolleyes:
We cant help being our age and male. Its unavoidable.
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Nice render. Did you make that from scratch? Is it based on anyone?
The green tinst is probably a result of the conversion to JPG format.
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Originally posted by FSW
Nice render. Did you make that from scratch? Is it based on anyone?
The green tinst is probably a result of the conversion to JPG format.
hmm, no, I guess he used magnets to modify an existing Poser model, and custom maps ( don't yell at him, it's about the only way to go in Poser ).
for the green tint, I think it's rather a lightning setup, but I might be wrong.
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Originally posted by Zeronet
We cant help being our age and male. Its unavoidable.
Would you go out with her? ;7 ;7 ;7
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Good render... but I also think she looks a bit demonic. :p ;)
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Originally posted by Kellan
Would you go out with her? ;7 ;7 ;7
that's... euh... euh... sick? :p or desperate. :D
Nice BTW, nice.
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Its the combination shoulders and...umm...proportions that are causing the disfiguration of the person. She looks like a zombie with a bad skeletal structure...
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The shoulders do it most. Yes, definitely looks as though she's dislocated both her arms, then got out of the car wreck and started walking around like nothing's wrong... ;)
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heh, going to renderosity to look for models, I think some actually try to create the perfect woman- but poser is good like that I guess, although soon I figure people will be wearing suits and going to holo-brothels like in that B-5 episode....
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We cant help being our age and male. Its unavoidable.
I can avoid it pretty easily... :D
Ace: not bad, although as others have said here, the shoulders seem somewhat dislodged into the back. ;)
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Originally posted by CP5670
I can avoid it pretty easily... :D
That's because you're a Nerd™ :p
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Originally posted by Kellan
Hey Ace, fancy doing an Admiral Kepler for me? :devilidea:
Sure, the problem is I can't figure out a good way to do a GTVA uniform yet, otherwise I would have already done quite a bit of that already.
Now if you don't mind a floating dislocated head like I did for the Republic character renders I did earlier and posted on HLP, then I can do 'em right now. (same goes for OTT characters, Venom)
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Why do I get the feeling Ace isn't rendering these (female) characters strictly for "character study"? hehe
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Originally posted by Ace
Sure, the problem is I can't figure out a good way to do a GTVA uniform yet, otherwise I would have already done quite a bit of that already.
Now if you don't mind a floating dislocated head like I did for the Republic character renders I did earlier and posted on HLP, then I can do 'em right now. (same goes for OTT characters, Venom)
sure :) as i said, I want to go back to the FS1 style for com ani, face close up. that would require a neck, and a ... little part of cloth for the neck, that's it.
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I agree that she looks a little odd.
Shoulders: As others have said, the shoulders are in a very odd position.
Eyes: The eyes look very slightly crossed.
Skin color: It's strange.
Skin shading: It has a weird banding look.
Breasts: They seem to be trying to creep around onto her back.
Lips: They just look weird to me; I'm not sure why.
Other than that, it's good :).
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*shrug* I render 'em since rendering "bois" is a little.... well someone walking in and seeing a neked woman on the screen is better then a man, m'kay?
(http://www.adamantpacified.org/grafix/w_jeanskirt.jpg)
Now her little finger on her right hand is folded back, it's meant to look that way. I didn't bother with a facial expression just like with the last one, so her face looks pretty dead. I was just wanting to test a new jean texture plus an experiment with reflection maps which turned out good. (plus seeing how well it looks with the other effect added)
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Looks like she dislocated her left thumb. :D
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Hmmmmm...that second one is the plastic fantastic. ;7
I mean that about her top. ;)
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Ace, are those millie models? if so, can I um... have them? the default ones suck, and I can't find any full ones anywhere
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I wish I could import the Poser models along with their IK settings... exporting as 3ds will result in a stone hard statue :p
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so do you have poser models?
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The model is Victoria, from daz3d, if I'm not mistaken... :)
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*shrug* I render 'em since rendering "bois" is a little.... well someone walking in and seeing a neked woman on the screen is better then a man, m'kay?
they're the same as far as I am concerned... :D
That's because you're a Nerd™ :p
Everyone should be like that! :p :D
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Originally posted by CP5670
they're the same as far as I am concerned... :D
see? I told you you were gay :D j/k
oh, and if everybody was like you, mankind would have disappeared a long time ago :p
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Originally posted by Ace
Sure, the problem is I can't figure out a good way to do a GTVA uniform yet, otherwise I would have already done quite a bit of that already.
Now if you don't mind a floating dislocated head like I did for the Republic character renders I did earlier and posted on HLP, then I can do 'em right now. (same goes for OTT characters, Venom)
Hmmm...you have a point. We really need them for Head-anis, but the new anis use the character's entire upper torso. Have you tried looking at the current head-anis for inspiration, and also the Admiral Bosch command animation?
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The problem is making a good conforming military uniform. I never found any good one for free, and I guess Ace didn't find any either...
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oh, and if everybody was like you, mankind would have disappeared a long time ago :p
nah, now we have cloning (or will in the next ten years), so sex is no longer necessary; everyone can now become a nerd! :p :D
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Originally posted by CP5670
everyone can now become a nerd! :p :D
Hm... No, thanks! :D
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Originally posted by Styxx
Hm... No, thanks! :D
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seriously, nerds are cool! they are ones who hold the future in their hands, as the future lies with science and technology... ;7
Here's a good method for becoming a nerd: read everything on this (http://mathworld.wolfram.com) site, and you'll start to love the stuff as much as I do. :D
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The second one is pretty good, but her face looks really bad. But as you said you didn't bother with it. :p
Originally posted by CP5670
seriously, nerds are cool! they are ones who hold the future in their hands, as the future lies with science and technology... ;7
Um, seriously? :rolleyes: :p You hope that everyone would be a nerd like you? Well, I think world needs other people too, but some nerds aren't a bad addition. :p ;)
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Originally posted by CP5670
seriously, nerds are cool! they are ones who hold the future in their hands, as the future lies with science and technology... ;7
Actually, Nerds are the ones that end up as subordinate engineers in a company run by someone who can actually communicate with others to set up real business... Ever read or watched Dilbert? :D
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Originally posted by CP5670
nah, now we have cloning (or will in the next ten years), so sex is no longer necessary; everyone can now become a nerd! :p :D
:wtf: If you truely believe that, then you have issues..
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Originally posted by Zeronet
then you have issues..
I agree... but haven't you noticed it before? ;):p
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Originally posted by Redfang
I agree... but haven't you noticed it before? ;):p
Yep, but rather than state something out of the blue, its best to have an example :p
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Um, seriously? :rolleyes: :p You hope that everyone would be a nerd like you?
Of course! Problem is even I'm not perfect, or anywhere close to it - as a human being I cannot be. :( Although I expect that at the current rate of technological progress, it can't be more than 5000 or so years away until the humans do away with their standard brains (and thought processes) completely and focus on better defined objectives. ;)
Actually, Nerds are the ones that end up as subordinate engineers in a company run by someone who can actually communicate with others to set up real business... Ever read or watched Dilbert? :D
But the smart guys are the ones who really get the control from behind the scenes, although it may not seem that way from the outset. Although the good communicators get to the top, they depend so much on the innovators that the leaders place themselves completely in their power; the company can survive without the communicators, but not the intellectuals. ;7
:wtf: If you truely believe that, then you have issues..
hey, it makes perfect logical sense! :p
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No. It doesn't. Go to your room.
Wait, that's not a punishment for a nerd! :doh:
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I do that half the day anyway... :D
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Originally posted by CP5670
I do that half the day anyway... :D
I thought that the whole day... :p
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Dear god, this thread has been derailed! again! :doh:
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Originally posted by CP5670
Here's a good method for becoming a nerd: read everything on this (http://mathworld.wolfram.com) site, and you'll start to love the stuff as much as I do. :D
You're my hero.
--TurboNed
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Originally posted by TurboNed
You're my hero.
--TurboNed
Ehm... I guess only Nerds haves NERDS for heroes :D
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I thought that the whole day... :p
It would be the whole day but the computer is in an adjoining room, so you could say that I am in two rooms the whole day. :p :D
You're my hero.
That site is just incredible, isn't it? They have just about everything I could think of regarding any subcategory of math and the definitions are very precise and detailed. :)
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*goes to get baseball bat*
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*gives an0n a baseball bat*
:devilidea
CP, go PLAY OUTSIDE!!!!! :headz:
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What is this "outside" you speak of? :p :D
I always stay in one of those two rooms unless I absolutely have to get out of the house for whatever reason, although even then I avoid staying outdoors for more than a minute or two. :p I've been trying to convince my parents to get rid of the windows in my room (I hate natural sunlight with a passion :p) since I can't find anything that will block out the light completely. :p
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I dont believe you.
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Wait was this from Dilbert??
Knowledge = Power, Time = Money
Since Power = Work/Time
Subsitute Knowledge and Money and you get
Knowledge = Work/Money
Rearrange for Money
Money = Work/Knowledge
Therefore, money reaches infinite amounts as knowledge goes to zero regardless of the work done. Perfectly emulates how corrupt society is today! :D:D:D ;)
btw, I'm a math fanatic too, but I'm too tired to go look at that site. But since it's supposed to be good I'll make sure to show it to my Calc teacher.
*edit* And yes I do have a life outside fs2 and math. Outside just doesn't mean outside the comp room... mmmm g/f bedroom... ;)
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Originally posted by CP5670
What is this "outside" you speak of? :p :D
I always stay in one of those two rooms unless I absolutely have to get out of the house for whatever reason, although even then I avoid staying outdoors for more than a minute or two. :p I've been trying to convince my parents to get rid of the windows in my room (I hate natural sunlight with a passion :p) since I can't find anything that will block out the light completely. :p
The "outside" is also known as a torture chamber for Nerds. :p
And I don't believe what you say either. :p
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just ask anyone who knows me... :D ;7
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Originally posted by Vortex
Therefore, money reaches infinite amounts as knowledge goes to zero regardless of the work done. Perfectly emulates how corrupt society is today!
Yep, works perfectly. The scientific proof that being a nerd won't guarantee anything (except for guaranteeing that you won't get laid). :D
Now, for the outside, it's that place where you can see the Daystar, also known as Sun, and where the roof is far, far away... :D
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Originally posted by Styxx
Yep, works perfectly. The scientific proof that being a nerd won't guarantee anything (except for guaranteeing that you won't get laid). :D
Now, for the outside, it's that place where you can see the Daystar, also known as Sun, and where the roof is far, far away... :D
that's where you can get a life, too... a real life.
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I do believe what CP5670 has to say... but it isn't easy to believe. He really seems to be the True Nerd™. :p:D
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Originally posted by venom2506
that's where you can get a life, too... a real life.
I left that out 'cause it would take around three years to explain them the concept of Real Life™. :D
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You guys act as if having this so-called "Real-Life" thingy is all that great. But in my experience, it's hideously overrated.
Look at me - I spent a huge chunk of my life in my bedroom (parents didn't much like the idea of me boarding up the window either - but at least I got some heavy-duty blinds that made it mostly dark...kinda scares me when I return on holidays and stuff and see them open), but I turned out okay.
Why, just yesterday, I never emerged from my apartment (single occupant, studio apartment) - life was good. I had my e-mail, my forums, my pair of computers, my DSL, my downloaded TV shows, my pair of DVD drives (along with a pair of CD burners)...what more could possibly be out there? Girls? Puh-LEASE - waste of time, money, and effort...besides, they're mathematically proven to be evil.
Girls=Time * Money
Time=Money
Therefore, Girls=Money²
Money=Evil^(1/2)
Money²=Evil
Therefore, Girls=Evil
Am I right? Tell me CP5670 - any errors in the math there? (-;
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Looks correct to me. :D
Girls? Puh-LEASE - waste of time, money, and effort...besides, they're mathematically proven to be evil.
You guys act as if having this so-called "Real-Life" thingy is all that great. But in my experience, it's hideously overrated.
Completely agree with both of those statements. ;) :yes: :yes: :yes:
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CP, I am coming to get you and tying you to a chair in a outdoor resturant with a *GASP* girl, just to watch you squirm :ha:
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You guys act as if having this so-called "Real-Life" thingy is all that great. But in my experience, it's hideously overrated.Look at me - I spent a huge chunk of my life in my bedroom
---> your lack of experience, obviously :p
(parents didn't much like the idea of me boarding up the window either - but at least I got some heavy-duty blinds that made it mostly dark...kinda scares me when I return on holidays and stuff and see them open), but I turned out okay.
---> you're afraid of sunlight. Yeah, you sure turned ok, Mr Vampire :l7
Why, just yesterday, I never emerged from my apartment (single occupant, studio apartment) - life was good. I had my e-mail, my forums, my pair of computers, my DSL, my downloaded TV shows, my pair of DVD drives (along with a pair of CD burners)...
---> oh, happyness! you should try and live in a cave, you'd feel even better :p
what more could possibly be out there? Girls? Puh-LEASE - waste of time, money, and effort...
---> would be a waste if there was no rewards, but of course, with your "experience" of real life, you may have missed that tiny detail :p
besides, they're mathematically proven to be evil.
Girls=Time * Money
Time=Money
Therefore, Girls=Money²
Money=Evil^(1/2)
Money²=Evil
Therefore, Girls=Evil
---> didn't yout math teacher tell you you don't add potatoes to tomatoes? you call yourself a nerd? bwah.
Money is not evil: people who uses money from wrong purpose are evil
girls:
-helps you for various tasks---> after the first months, they save you time. good deal.
-gets a job, earn money---> cuts your monthly expense per two ( save if you earn 2000$ aweek obviously :p - but it could also be the inverse way ). saves money= good deal
And that just to answer about your trivial point of view, coz those points are not exactly the main ones for me.
In case you wonder ( coz one never knows ), don't go and flame me, it's a joke, but you were sooo asking for it ;)
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bah, girls are for the stupid, illogical masses, not the intellectual elite. ;7
CP, I am coming to get you and tying you to a chair in a outdoor resturant with a *GASP* girl, just to watch you squirm :ha:
aaaaaaaahhhh!!!
*hides head under a textbook*
On a side note, does anyone know how to get implicit curvature in n dimensions? (rectangular coordinates) For a 2D equation given by f(x,y)=0 it is ( ¶²f/¶x²×¶f/¶y - 2¶²f/¶x¶y׶f/¶x׶f/¶y + ¶²f/¶y²×¶f/¶x ) / ³Ö( [ (¶f/¶x)² + (¶f/¶y)² ]² ) , but I don't know what the extension of this is to more variables. It might be possible to derive one from this and the explicit 3D forumla, but things would get quite messy there (as can be seen from that formula) and it might be possible to avoid that. :p ;)
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Originally posted by CP5670
bah, girls are for the stupid, illogical masses, not the intellectual elite. ;7
aaaaaaaahhhh!!!
*hides head under a textbook*
On a side note, does anyone know how to get implicit curvature in n dimensions? (rectangular coordinates) For a 2D equation given by f(x,y)=0 it is ( ¶²f/¶x²×¶f/¶y - 2¶²f/¶x¶y׶f/¶x׶f/¶y + ¶²f/¶y²×¶f/¶x ) / ³Ö( [ (¶f/¶x)² + (¶f/¶y)² ]² ) , but I don't know what the extension of this is to more variables. It might be possible to derive one from this and the explicit 3D forumla, but things would get quite messy there (as can be seen from that formula) and it might be possible to avoid that. :p ;)
You should get a skateboard and learn to skate, its one step to becomming sane(or insane).
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But love in our life, is just too valuable...
Have you even tried it? If not, don't knock it. :rolleyes:
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yea I thought the same way..
"Girls pfft, waste of time and money"
Now I see things a wee bit differently
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Girls are a waste of time and money? ahhhh...my friend, but think of the rewards. What venom told you is true, but there are others too. ;7
Or have you not had sex ed yet CP? Only take math classes now? :D
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I had to take that class due to high school requirements (when I was still in school) and it turned out to be a total waste of time. :p All I do these days is math and physics; need to get a solid grasp on certain sub-areas of those two subjects before I start a more thorough analysis of philosphical issues. :p :D
But love in our life, is just too valuable...
People say this because they view everything from a limited human perspective (which is also constantly evolving, btw) than making any attempt to see things from a more universal perspective, from which it can be seen that it is slowly becoming a dead force. At the moment, it is essential for the proper operation of societies, but technology will eventually reach the point where that is no longer the case. I would say that love is very similar to religion in that respect: a very powerful force in human affairs that was required for the forming of civilizations, but one that will at some point outlive its usefulness, and can be safely discarded.
Anyway, someone answer my question!! :p What is the formula for curvature for a 3D implicit equation?
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ace: cool girls, but i think i said somewhere before: real girls dont have proportions like that unless they've had surgery- they're either round and curvaceous, or skinny and flat. not curvaceous and skinny.
i like the jean skirt.
this thread has become such a sexist thread. i'd like to say that girls can like maths and physics too; girls are _not_ evil thank you very much, girls aren't just there to support guys so they don't have to work; and a certain amount of outdoor exercise and sunlight is needed for you to stay healthy.
love is a _good_ thing. can't convince you, CP, if you've never experienced it. i feel kinda sorry for the day you fall in love- you'll be so majorly confused. (im being optimistic in this aspect, and quite confident too...)
maths and science can be beautiful, but one of these days, go out, have a look at the sky. the sky's always beautiful.
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Originally posted by icespeed
this thread has become such a sexist thread. i'd like to say that girls can like maths and physics too; girls are _not_ evil thank you very much, girls aren't just there to support guys so they don't have to work; and a certain amount of outdoor exercise and sunlight is needed for you to stay healthy.
love is a _good_ thing. can't convince you, CP, if you've never experienced it. i feel kinda sorry for the day you fall in love- you'll be so majorly confused. (im being optimistic in this aspect, and quite confident too...)
maths and science can be beautiful, but one of these days, go out, have a look at the sky. the sky's always beautiful.
hey! don't take me wrong, read my post again :) I didn't say girls were here to work for us, I was replying about the fact they were a waste of money. Thinking about it, the topic is quite ... fantasy, dunno how to say that in english. I just noticed how girls here are discussed like if they were another species
About love, dunno if CP can fall in love one day, if he never goes out. Anyway, honestly, if the guy think he can live forever in his room, the awakening will be terrible when he'll be 20 and his parents will kick him out of the house "now get a job". How will he do when mom and dad won't bring gim what he needs? :lol: , I just imagined the nerd in a supermarket, completly lost :p
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this thread has become such a sexist thread. i'd like to say that girls can like maths and physics too; girls are _not_ evil thank you very much, girls aren't just there to support guys so they don't have to work; and a certain amount of outdoor exercise and sunlight is needed for you to stay healthy.
Well, you're right about that. To tell the truth, I technically view girls as the same as boys; they're all people, and all more or less the same. It's the love that is "evil," or not so much evil either as idiotic. :p Exercise is probably necessary to some extent, but sunlight is actually bad for the human body. :p Also, these are the conditions with the current state of the human; with technological advances being made every year, I doubt it will be all that long before these limitations will be circumvented by upgrading the human. ;)
love is a _good_ thing. can't convince you, CP, if you've never experienced it. i feel kinda sorry for the day you fall in love- you'll be so majorly confused. (im being optimistic in this aspect, and quite confident too...)
You know, I have been told this many, many times over the last three years, and my thinking has continued to shift in the other direction from what I have seen of human affairs. I have determined that going into any sort of love affairs would be the surest way of completely messing up my life, not to mention that it will be the second stupidest thing I could do, but only time will tell about that. I have other objectives to complete in my life. ;7 :D
maths and science can be beautiful, but one of these days, go out, have a look at the sky. the sky's always beautiful.
It gets a bit boring to me after a while; always some shade of blue. Why not red or complete black? Math and physics, on the other hand, never cease to amaze me. (i.e. look at the p form of Euler formula: e^(pi) + 1 = 0 <--that right there is pure beauty seldom seen in the universe :nod: ) Some of the things encountered in physics are also like this; in my opinion, human affairs are as ugly as anything, but the workings of the universe are incredibly beautiful. :nod:
About love, dunno if CP can fall in love one day, if he never goes out. Anyway, honestly, if the guy think he can live forever in his room, the awakening will be terrible when he'll be 20 and his parents will kick him out of the house "now get a job". How will he do when mom and dad won't bring gim what he needs? , I just imagined the nerd in a supermarket, completly lost
bah, I have thought about that already and have a vague idea of my immediate future planned out reasonable well. :p If everything goes as planned, I should have completed a formal education by 23 or so and secured a doctorate degree and an adequate job; I can then spend the next two or three years working on completing one of my life's major goals. ;7
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Now, tell us the truth - you're joking, right? :p
There are some things you can't have an opinion about without experiencing it, trust me. You'll get shocked on day, when reality strikes. ;)
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There are some things you can't have an opinion about without experiencing it, trust me. You'll get shocked on day, when reality strikes. ;)
I have been told that countless times already in my life. :D I have determined that, due to the relationship between, ideas, materials and perception, there exists an infinite number of theories based on logical (and consequently, mathematical) constructs that can account for anything except with the possible exclusion of independently random variables, of which there are very few in the universe, if they exist. Since humanity as a whole is fairly predictable, it can be said that anything relating to general human affairs can be theorized with reasonable accuracy with only a little bit of experimental data. ;) Therefore, it should not be necessary to experience such things if other data exists. ;7
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Originally posted by Kellan MacDonald
Would you go out with her? ;7
Is she breathing? ;7
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Originally posted by CP5670
I have been told that countless times already in my life. :D I have determined that, due to the relationship between, ideas, materials and perception, there exists an infinite number of theories based on logical (and consequently, mathematical) constructs that can account for anything except with the possible exclusion of independently random variables, of which there are very few in the universe, if they exist. Since humanity as a whole is fairly predictable, it can be said that anything relating to general human affairs can be theorized with reasonable accuracy with only a little bit of experimental data. ;) Therefore, it should not be necessary to experience such things if other data exists. ;7
you won't sound smart just by using smart words to make nonsense ;7
You know what my grand-pa would say? Science is like marmelade, the less you have, the more you spread it.
The pb is that you live in an alternative world, you know nothing of the real world. you need to grow up.
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you won't sound smart just by using smart words to make nonsense ;7
hey, I was just giving a condensed version of my proof there without the details and the math. With the proof removed, it can just boil down to the accumulation of knowledge beginning with some basic experimental data and ending with the ultimate theory. ;7 you people need to get into what is called "logical philosophy," and then you will see the basis behind my ideas. ;)
You know what my grand-pa would say? Science is like marmelade, the less you have, the more you spread it.
The pb is that you live in an alternative world, you know nothing of the real world. you need to grow up.
All "worlds" (in this case, collections of ideas) use the same principles at the most fundamental level, so that is where I have started from.
Also, this is yet another bit of experimental evidence for one of my ideas: in the minds of the masses, age automatically implies wisdom and this rule can be applied for anyone with almost pinpoint accuracy. Individuals will of course deny this, but watching their actions can show it to be true. :p :D
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Originally posted by Styxx
Now, tell us the truth - you're joking, right? :p
There are some things you can't have an opinion about without experiencing it, trust me. You'll get shocked on day, when reality strikes. ;)
Wasn't bloody worth it for me, but then again both times it was long haul and rather emotionally overcharged :(
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Originally posted by CP5670
* truckloads of mathematical nonsense *
Okay, I give up. You can live on your secluded little world, believing that math is indeed worth anything except for generating computer graphics, and never learn what the real world is all about...
:p :D
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Originally posted by Styxx
Okay, I give up. You can live on your secluded little world, believing that math is indeed worth anything expect for generating computer graphics, and never learn what the real world is all about...
:p :D
expect or except?
Bah..math isnt everything partaining to graphics. You need finesse and a sense of composition, form and colour to do truly great images.
Pity I dont have any of them, really :ha:
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Originally posted by wEvil
expect or except?
Had already fixed that before you posted. :D
Originally posted by wEvil
Bah..math isnt everything partaining to graphics. You need finesse and a sense of composition, form and colour to do truly great images.
True, math is not everything, not even close to it - but for 3D computer generated graphics, it's essential. And it's one of the few good applications of complex mathematics that I consider.
Originally posted by wEvil
Pity I dont have any of them, really :ha:
LOL! :lol:
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Okay, I give up. You can live on your secluded little world, believing that math is indeed worth anything except for generating computer graphics, and never learn what the real world is all about... :p :D
hey I didn't have any math in there. :p If you want to see the full proof with all the math, you can get it in ten years. ;7 Using the fundamental logic assumptions alone, a number of interesting things can be shown, one of which is that the extension of logic, math, (possibly along with independent random variables) is the basis behind all the workings of the universe. ;7 math 0\/\/|\|2 _|()0! :D
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Originally posted by CP5670
hey I didn't have any math in there. :p
I wasn't referring only to your previous post... :p
Originally posted by CP5670
If you want to see the full proof with all the math, you can get it in ten years. ;7
First, you can't prove that in a hundred, much less ten years. Second, I'd have way better stuff to do during those ten years, if I were you. :D
Originally posted by CP5670
Using the fundamental logic assumptions alone, a number of interesting things can be shown, one of which is that the logical extension, math, (possibly along with independent random variables) is the basis behind all the workings of the universe. ;7
Nope, another thing you can't. For starters, math is not the basis for anything, it's just the means of representation. Mathematical constructs are built from real-world experiences, and the opposite won't work. Add that to the fact that a model tends to become more and more similar to the object it's trying to represent depending on the object's complexity and size, and you can easily realize that there's no way to accurately create a model of the universe that is smaller and less complex than the universe itself.
Just one question: how old are you again? :D
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I wasn't referring only to your previous post... :p
oh that. :D That is actually just a problem I have ran into recently; you happen to know the answer?
First, you can't prove that in a hundred, much less ten years. Second, I'd have way better stuff to do during those ten years, if I were you. :D
Already have most of the stuff nailed down; just need to formalize it now and get it into words and higher levels of precision. ;) In ten years I am planning to have a book completed about my findings, which should also double as a thesis paper. ;7
Nope, another thing you can't. For starters, math is not the basis for anything, it's just the means of representation. Mathematical constructs are built from real-world experiences, and the opposite won't work. Add that to the fact that a model tends to become more and more similar to the object it's trying to represent depending on the object's complexity and size, and you can easily realize that there's no way to accurately create a model of the universe that is smaller and less complex than the universe itself.
Exactly; that is why math is referred to as the extension of logic into the real world. It is our way of interpreting logic in the universe. Also, the last bit is true as well, but the complexity of the universe is either finite or transfinite, but not an absolute infinity. Therefore, it is possible to make a similar finitely or transfinitely complex formula relating everything. The one thing I am not sure about is those independent random variables that cannot be predicted, but the creation of such a formula is possible regardless of whether they exist or not.
Just one question: how old are you again? :D
15.7178 at the moment; still assimilating knowledge and have a long way to go, but I think I have gotten the core ideas. ;)
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Oh, well. Go ahead, and good luck then. Keep our contacts to send news about your book in ten years... ;) :D
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hehe, well why not... :p :D :D
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And don't forget to put our names on the thanks page!
"For the HLP guys, who did their best to prevent me from working on this."
:D
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Actually you are a group to be thanked, since I have been able to hone some of my ideas and make more careful examinations on things due to the discussions here. :D My understanding of reality has definitely increased due to our little arguments. :nod:
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Originally posted by CP5670
15.7178
:snipe:
:D:p
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lol yeah I'm still young and need to make my ideas more precise before publicizing them, and then you also have this: :D
Also, this is yet another bit of experimental evidence for one of my ideas: in the minds of the masses, age automatically implies wisdom and this rule can be applied for anyone with almost pinpoint accuracy. Individuals will of course deny this, but watching their actions can show it to be true. :p :D
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Originally posted by CP5670
lol yeah I'm still young and need to make my ideas more precise before publicizing them, and then you also have this: :D
I mean those decimals... accurate enough. ;)
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*sigh* I'm glad some people are still willing to help keep the human race alive.
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Originally posted by Shrike
*sigh* I'm glad some people are still willing to help keep the human race alive.
Like, eh, Carl here:
(http://ambience.i8.com/carl2.jpg)
http://ambience.i8.com/carl2.jpg
(sorry, I just had to do it didn't I?)
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Originally posted by CP5670
Also, this is yet another bit of experimental evidence for one of my ideas: in the minds of the masses, age automatically implies wisdom and this rule can be applied for anyone with almost pinpoint accuracy. Individuals will of course deny this, but watching their actions can show it to be true. :p :D
Why would most people deny it? Nobody denies that, accepted young people who are sure it's not true ( just like you, you thought you were different? :p ). And I'll tell you why: coz it's true, mind you.
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Why would most people deny it? Nobody denies that, accepted young people who are sure it's not true ( just like you, you thought you were different? :p ). And I'll tell you why: coz it's true, mind you.
So, by your reasoning, an 80-year old provincial villager is more intelligent than a 20-year old Einstein. :p A nice example of the typical human mind here: going by what is sensed rather than what is deduced the whole way. :p Also, you need to have a more exact definition of "truth" before making such statements. :p
I mean those decimals... accurate enough. ;)
lol, actually I was really thinking about putting some more decimal places in there since it is not really accurate by my standards. :D (I always prefer exact values :D)
Odyssey: It looks like the Shivan is about to eat up that woman or something. :D :D
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Originally posted by CP5670
So, by your reasoning, an 80-year old provincial villager is more intelligent than a 20-year old Einstein. :p A nice example of the typical human mind here: going by what is sensed rather than what is deduced the whole way. :p Also, you need to have a more exact definition of "truth" before making such statements. :p
See, there's the foolishness of your own thinking: there's a difference between knowledge and wisdom. You might have more knowledge than a provincial 80 years old, but trust me, you're not even close as wise. ;)
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As I said before, at the most fundamental level of understanding knowledge and wisdom are one and the same, and in the final theory that explains the workings of everything, both will be incorporated similarly. (I've spent years thinking about the details of this and can go on arguing for a while :D)
But let me rephrase that: an 80-year old lunatic who has spent his whole life raving about hallucinations he has seen is "wiser" than the 20-year old academic, right? :p
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Wisdom: Proper application of knowledge. And you can only use extreme, twisted examples to try to prove your point, and end up proving the opposite by denial. Your logic is flawed.
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Wisdom is defined as the general accumulation of learning, but it tends to have an added connotation to it: wisdom usually refers to the affairs of humans, while knowledge is more generalized to the workings of reality and existence.
And you can only use extreme, twisted examples to try to prove your point, and end up proving the opposite by denial
A major law of logic:
If one example can be found that contradicts a given rule, the rule becomes invalid.
Your argument that older="wiser" may be true in the generality, but as many other sociological laws of today, not enough factors are taken into account to give an answer very close to the truth. It can be applied to masses of people, but not individuals. (said this earlier, btw :p)
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So, you're basically claiming that you're wiser than any other person that's older than you?
Check the dictionary for a definition of "common sense" then. Oh, wait - it cannot be defined mathematically, so it can't be considered. Get back to your math bubble. :D
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Actually, I am saying that the older="wiser" is a general sociological rule and not a precise formula.
Check the dictionary for a definition of "common sense" then. Oh, wait - it cannot be defined mathematically, so it can't be considered. Get back to your math bubble. :D
Common sense can be defined as the judgement of an average person that is practical but not necessarily logical. It only has any significance in contemporary human affairs, and therefore can essentially be discarded when the entire universe and long peroids of time (entire history and future of humanity) are taken into account.
As for the rest of the stuff, it's a pretty silly argument. :p
I need to go now, but I'll be back to argue with you in a few hours. ;7 :D
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Originally posted by CP5670
Actually, I am saying that the older="wiser" is a general sociological rule and not a precise formula.
Common sense can be defined as the judgement of an average person that is practical but not necessarily logical. It only has any significance in contemporary human affairs, and therefore can essentially be discarded when the entire universe and long peroids of time (entire fistory and future of humanity) are taken into account.
As for the rest of the stuff, it's a pretty silly argument. :p
I need to go now, but I'll be back to argue with you in a few hours. ;7 :D
my staement is that for math i would ask you coz you study that. for anything else (from cooking an egg to talking about politics or anything else, in fact), i'm sure you're completly ignarant next to an old guy, coz you've thought your stuff for years? he has thougt his stuff for more years than you. He might not be right? your maths won't make you more right. Basic everything by maths won't work. you won't have a job coz you're better than another guy. The guy who is 25 will have the job, even if it's about physics or anything, and you won't when you're 20, even if you think ( and even if you REALLY are) better than him on this particular subject. That doesn't prove you wrong, I agree. But it's the way it works. Bad argument? in our world, it's the only one which works, so i can, w/o maths, tell you your future: if you don't change your mind, you'll suffer.
That said, another point: you're 15. The age or rebellion, the age when you KNOW everybody else is wrong, and not you. I was the same, i bet Styxx did the same, everybody was like that, everybody at this age have been told countless times they would change their mind, and everybody argued the way you do to prove the others wrong. I've been through this, and so i know you'll come up with another argument to prove that you're not like that, that you're different. I know, I did the same. i wasn't a nerd or anything at your age, i was a... lonesome guy ( :p ). No friends, nothing, i was always on my own, I simply conidered I was able to do anything I wanted by following my own beliefs, whetever they were. And I surely didn't agree my parents or any "lunatic 80 years old guy from the country" was wiser than i was. you could have argued about this for days, you couldn't have convince me I was wrong. You can contest the things around you, you can contest the facts they don't match your standards. But at the end, you're the one obliged to adapt, coz you can be sure the world won't adapt for you.
now for me, the argument is over, coz as I said I know your state of mind ( thing you won't agree, of course ), and I know I won't convince you. I don't agree with what you think obviously, but I know it's normal you think this way, so rather than trying to tell you what you'll become, i'll just let the time do it for me. Voila, now I'll let Chticks go on with that if he feels like it, but I'm off this now :)
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I hate maths. Still for some reason im in set A1, so i must be doing something write.
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Definately I couldn't have said that better than you did, Venom. It's what I wanted to say all along, just didn't have the right words. :nod:
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GAAAAAHHHHHH!!!! My EYES!!![/i]
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This is possibly the stupidest argument I've heard all day.
Older people tend to have nothing but contempt for younger. Same goes in the reverse. White people have historically considered themselves fundamentally superior to black people. Heterosexuals have generally scorned gays. Men think they're smarter than women. And all have responded in kind. It's called bigotry, and it's how the insecure make themselves feel better. If you think you're "wiser" than me just because I'm one or two years younger than you, you're not only wrong (at least, in the reason you are), but you're being an ass, and that's twice as bad. It's not teenagers or young adults who always start wars; It's not children who go into long, endless arguments over whether Bill Clinton should get the death penalty or not, unless they've learned it from their parents. It's not us who have midlife crises and spend all the money we've essentially enslaved ourselves for decades on convertibles, and I for one have CERTAINLY never opened a 100kb batch file email attachment, then deleted it once I realized I'd just infected the computer with a virus, removing the way to find out just what it was and how to remove it. Older people aren't necessarily any less intelligent, but you CERTAINLY aren't any "wiser", unless wisdom is some intangible thing that has no application on reality, abstract thought, or perceptible brain activity.
Go ahead. Argue away. You're hardly demonstrating much in your favor.
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Okay, time to start arguing again. :D
my staement is that for math i would ask you coz you study that. for anything else (from cooking an egg to talking about politics or anything else, in fact), i'm sure you're completly ignarant next to an old guy, coz you've thought your stuff for years? he has thougt his stuff for more years than you. He might not be right? your maths won't make you more right. Basic everything by maths won't work. you won't have a job coz you're better than another guy. The guy who is 25 will have the job, even if it's about physics or anything, and you won't when you're 20, even if you think ( and even if you REALLY are) better than him on this particular subject. That doesn't prove you wrong, I agree. But it's the way it works. Bad argument? in our world, it's the only one which works, so i can, w/o maths, tell you your future: if you don't change your mind, you'll suffer.
um, yeah, so what's your point? That certainly does not even make a credible attempt to refute my previous points. :p I have already said that this is how the world currently works, but due to the theory of technological darwinism, it is changing, albeit somewhat slowly. But even I will grow old eventually, and then this argument would essentially fall.
That said, another point: you're 15. The age or rebellion, the age when you KNOW everybody else is wrong, and not you. I was the same, i bet Styxx did the same, everybody was like that, everybody at this age have been told countless times they would change their mind, and everybody argued the way you do to prove the others wrong. I've been through this, and so i know you'll come up with another argument to prove that you're not like that, that you're different. I know, I did the same. i wasn't a nerd or anything at your age, i was a... lonesome guy ( :p ). No friends, nothing, i was always on my own, I simply conidered I was able to do anything I wanted by following my own beliefs, whetever they were.
I have probably been told of this "age of rebellion" more than anything else I have been told; while it could well be true, it is not much of a rational argument that has any basis for this type of discussion. For example, I could blatantly state that you are just plain wrong, and you would not be able to say anything about it, but it doesn't make much of an argument. :p
Also, I never said I know for sure that everyone else is wrong (in fact, the first derived assumption of my ideas implies that it is not possible), but when I have the postulates of logic and everything stemming from there to back up my points while most others have their age ( :rolleyes: ), it can be seen why I adhere to my own beliefs. ;)
And I surely didn't agree my parents or any "lunatic 80 years old guy from the country" was wiser than i was. you could have argued about this for days, you couldn't have convince me I was wrong. You can contest the things around you, you can contest the facts they don't match your standards. But at the end, you're the one obliged to adapt, coz you can be sure the world won't adapt for you.
As you said, it is practically impossible for me to impress anything upon humanity as a whole due to the rule of resistance to change, and also because I am definitely no public speaker. Strange and complicated ideas will not convince the masses of anything. (i.e. one of the reasons people adopted religion at the beginning of civilizations was not only the fact that the people required its two fundamental purposes, but also that following it was simple for the common man) You need a "rabble rousing" Hitler type of personality for that, which I do not have. The reason I want to write that book is that ideas are permanent as long as they can be interpreted, whereas humans do not last very long, and I think that ideas should be available for analysis to humanity for much longer than a single person's life.
Also, neither the world nor I (or anyone else) have to "adapt" to the world in the sense of our ideas; we as a species have progressed because of a diversity of ideas, especially in subjects that we know little about. (this is not so applicable to areas in which humanity has lots of knowledge, but even there it has some meaning at the very core)
Again, I post a famous quote that I put in that other thread:
"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it." -Max Planck
This is precisely how the world can be seen to work and is a special case of the rule of resistance to change.
now for me, the argument is over, coz as I said I know your state of mind ( thing you won't agree, of course ), and I know I won't convince you. I don't agree with what you think obviously, but I know it's normal you think this way, so rather than trying to tell you what you'll become, i'll just let the time do it for me. Voila, now I'll let Chticks go on with that if he feels like it, but I'm off this now :)
Sure; hey, I thank you for this, as it has definitely been instructive to see the workings of the common mind. ;) Anyway, you'll see what will happen in ten years. For now, keep 'em coming! ;7
BTW it looks like that other huge spam topic finally got locked. :D
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What, the HLP road trip one? I locked it once it was finished.
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So uh...how was it considered to be "finished?" :D (although it's a good thing you locked it anyway :D)
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
This is possibly the stupidest argument I've heard all day.
Older people tend to have nothing but contempt for younger. Same goes in the reverse. White people have historically considered themselves fundamentally superior to black people. Heterosexuals have generally scorned gays. Men think they're smarter than women. And all have responded in kind. It's called bigotry, and it's how the insecure make themselves feel better. If you think you're "wiser" than me just because I'm one or two years younger than you, you're not only wrong (at least, in the reason you are), but you're being an ass, and that's twice as bad. It's not teenagers or young adults who always start wars; It's not children who go into long, endless arguments over whether Bill Clinton should get the death penalty or not, unless they've learned it from their parents. It's not us who have midlife crises and spend all the money we've essentially enslaved ourselves for decades on convertibles, and I for one have CERTAINLY never opened a 100kb batch file email attachment, then deleted it once I realized I'd just infected the computer with a virus, removing the way to find out just what it was and how to remove it. Older people aren't necessarily any less intelligent, but you CERTAINLY aren't any "wiser", unless wisdom is some intangible thing that has no application on reality, abstract thought, or perceptible brain activity.
Go ahead. Argue away. You're hardly demonstrating much in your favor.
look who's talking :p the "i will make the revolution and lead anarchism" guy. You've never figured out teenagers did not make any of the troubles you mention coz they have not such powers. And obviously you blatantly forget about gang wars, rapes, murders and all the stuff they do, which is the same but at their own level of possibilities. I never said I was wiser than CP or you, coz I don't consider myself wise. But you sure have no lesson to teach me, you who can argue only by insulting or agressing people. Arguing with CP is, somehow, a pleasure, coz he sure does show more wisedom than you, he's not being an ass, as you like to say. As you say, I could go on and on, but I dispise your agressiveness, and won't waste my time discussing with you.
edit: I was about to correct my english mistakes, but I won't, I don't care :p
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Originally posted by CP5670
So uh...how was it considered to be "finished?" :D (although it's a good thing you locked it anyway :D)
When I decided it was finished. ;)
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I just noticed something odd - this has almost gotten back on topic again...if one considers a different meaning than was originally intended for "character study." [grin].
And I'm sorry I missed a few days of banter - there were several spots back there which I wanted to stick my $.02 in....dangit - these threads move too fast! (-:
The conversations are fascinating, though....and as a little aside to whoever told me that money wasn't evil, I didn't say that money was evil - I said:
money=evil^(1/2) - read: Money is the root of evil. [grin] (Again - that little set of equations is to be taken in the same light as the responses it received....a very light one)
--TurboNed
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Originally posted by Shrike
What, the HLP road trip one? I locked it once it was finished.
I was pretty amazed when I saw it had 50 posts in 30 minutes. But guess was I more amazed when I saw it had more than 500 posts in one night? A spam thread, indeed. But it was made by an admin, so of course it wasn't locked. But I don't actually care about that. :p
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My 2 cents: personally I think that older people tend to be wiser, but not always. Wisdom doesn't come from age, but from experience (learning from it of course), and older people tend to have more experiences in their life. Intelligence is even harder to measure since there are so many aspects. A person could be extremely 'smart', but throw that person on the street and and he/she could easily end up lost, not knowing what it takes to survive.
As to the whole math thing, I love math, I love fs2, but the joys I can receive from that pales in comparison to many other things (ie love, nature, sports, etc). I believe what should be more emphasized is variety.
You know, I have been told this many, many times over the last three years, and my thinking has continued to shift in the other direction from what I have seen of human affairs. I have determined that going into any sort of love affairs would be the surest way of completely messing up my life, not to mention that it will be the second stupidest thing I could do, but only time will tell about that. I have other objectives to complete in my life.
Hehe, so true, love can truly mess up your life, but than again I think the joys from love (not lust, hehe totally different experience ;7) far outweigh any possible sorrow (refer to last part of my siggy).
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Originally posted by Vortex
(refer to last part of my siggy).
Damn good quote, if you ask me. :nod:
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I just noticed something odd - this has almost gotten back on topic again...
Now that is something that you don't see often here. :D
I was pretty amazed when I saw it had 50 posts in 30 minutes. But guess was I more amazed when I saw it had more than 500 posts in one night?
I was also quite surprised to see the 50 posts come in so quickly. But judging from the incredible rate at which it was growing, at the time I went to sleep, I was guessing that it would probably hit 500 in a couple of hours anyway. :D
My 2 cents: personally I think that older people tend to be wiser, but not always. Wisdom doesn't come from age, but from experience (learning from it of course), and older people tend to have more experiences in their life. Intelligence is even harder to measure since there are so many aspects. A person could be extremely 'smart', but throw that person on the street and and he/she could easily end up lost, not knowing what it takes to survive.
Yay; someone agrees with me there! :D Now, using the standard rules of sociology, it can be shown that the error in probability increases exponentially when mass-mob laws are applied to small groups or individuals. Also, as I said earlier, wisdom is simply the application of theoretical intelligence to human affairs, and so once some rules have been formalized, everyone can become "wise" if they want to. ;7
The human mind of contemporary society operates on certain principles that the masses refer to as "common sense," but these also follow or logical constructs and possibly IRVs. If the "smart" person does not know the workings of the human mind and how it can be manipulated (which, at least today, to some extent, is necessary), then he isn't all that smart in certain areas. :D Although I completely agree with you in that it is not easy (if at all possible) to measure average intelligence. The popular definition of it seems to be related to the academic subjects (any of the sciences, math, philosophy, etc.), but that can't really be right either.
As to the whole math thing, I love math, I love fs2, but the joys I can receive from that pales in comparison to many other things (ie love, nature, sports, etc). I believe what should be more emphasized is variety.
Ah, good to see someone who agrees with the first sentence of the Colossus movie description. Out of the other things, I find nature quite beautiful too, but only the universe and existence as a whole; the earth alone is filled with all kinds of crap. :p
I think that variety as an important component of human thinking, but when people started their cohesion into civilizations, the concept of variety could also be expanded into the civilizations as well. This has already occurred with the division of work; people used to be self-supporting, and had to work on a variety of tasks, but things have become much more specialized since then. The future we are heading towards is the ultimate specialization; every human (or future human) working on specific tasks. The concepts of "joy" and "work" are also essentaially the same at their very core and at the most fundamental level, they cannot be distinguished between. Love was essential up to now because it allowed humanity to reproduce, but that era of history will come to a close very soon with the coming advent of biological cloning and robotic automation.
Hehe, so true, love can truly mess up your life, but than again I think the joys from love (not lust, hehe totally different experience ;7) far outweigh any possible sorrow (refer to last part of my siggy).
Due to the theory of purpose, that technically strays from the final objective, but we don't need to worry about that just yet. I somehow just do not find love "fun" and certainly not useful; it's just stupid, but that has to do with my personal likes and dislikes and not the whole picture. :p
Damn good quote, if you ask me. :nod:
Change "love" to "knowledge" and it will be. ;7
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Originally posted by CP5670
I somehow just do not find love "fun" and certainly not useful...
Add a "yet" to that sentence and it might even become true... ;)
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As I always say to people who tell me that, just be patient for a couple decades... ;7
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I dont like nature, the only good thing about it is maple, which is what a skateboard is made out of. Biological cloning? Your insane, it will never replace gods way. The lord gave us the ability to do this things, and although i agree with cloning to a certain extent, to grow a baby with a mother would be an act against god, and evil act. But then again, you dont believe in religion do you?
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You know, if it is "against god," no offense, but I would support for it for that alone. :p :D But individuals (or even groups, using the rule of technological darwinism) can't stop the forward sweep of technological progress. :D
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I dont call that technological progress. Anyway, if you want to be Satans little helper, i wont stop ye.
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Originally posted by Zeronet
I dont call that technological progress. Anyway, if you want to be Satans little helper, i wont stop ye.
And did God specifically come over for tea one afternoon? Did he perchance say to you, "By the way, Zero, I just wanted you to know that this whole cloning thing? Its the work of the Devil."? Somehow I don't think so.
Something tells me that mortal men, of whatever age or station, have no business deciding where things of the world fit in the cosmic scheme. Mortals are just that, and likely don't have the necessary perspective.
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Originally posted by CP5670
But individuals (or even groups, using the rule of technological darwinism) can't stop the forward sweep of technological progress. :D
Shall I remind you of a certain period of time that started on the early centuries of the gregorian calendar and lasted more than a millenium?...
I wouldn't want anything similar to that, of course, but it can happen. ;)
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I dont call that technological progress.
But the people who have the power to make it a reality do, and so according to the same rule again, it will soon come true. ;7
Shall I remind you of a certain period of time that started on the early centuries of the gregorian calendar and lasted more than a millenium?...
Sorry, not sure about this one; could you elaborate a bit?
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Uh no it wont. An attempt to create a baby outside of the womb would probably never work, due to complications, sabotage and it being a bad thing to do.
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eh...what complications and sabotage? It has already been done with animals, and humans are essentially the same thing with some minor differences. :p
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Originally posted by Zeronet
Uh no it wont. An attempt to create a baby outside of the womb would probably never work, due to complications, sabotage and it being a bad thing to do.
bwarf, I bet it has been done already.
As for cloning, one thought: where is the fun? ;7
CP, you might not be interested with that, but as the elders ( lol, couldn't help myself :lol: ) would say: don't spit on it before trying it :nod: If generalized cloning does happen...well, I guess there would be nothing to do against it. Let just have the choice between that, and the good old fashioned way :) I will go for the second one anytime, I even have a great reason for that: huh, imagine clones of me !!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:
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Originally posted by venom2506
I will go for the second one anytime, I even have a great reason for that: huh, imagine clones of me !!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:
DEAR GODS NO! NOT THAT!
;)
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But the clones will be more advanced, since after the first few generations, we can learn enough about them to genetically engineered them to perform better. ;7
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Originally posted by CP5670
But the clones will be more advanced, since after the first few generations, we can learn enough about them to genetically engineered them to perform better. ;7
I know this is almost entirely out of context, but:
For someone who has a complete rebuttal of normal human nature, you use far too many ';7' smilies.
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LOL I really like that one; those fit in nicely in a number of places and the smilies in general are meant to balance out some of my statements so that I don't look like a really nasty type of guy. :D And saying so: ;7
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Originally posted by CP5670
LOL I really like that one; those fit in nicely in a number of places and the smilies in general are meant to balance out some of my statements so that I don't look like a really nasty type of guy. :D And saying so: ;7
:blah:
The smiley that Setekh used to use. :D
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To tell the truth, I never really understood what that smiley was supposed to mean, although I did see it used many times. Is the face carefully observing something?
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Originally posted by venom2506
bwarf, I bet it has been done already.
As for cloning, one thought: where is the fun? ;7
CP, you might not be interested with that, but as the elders ( lol, couldn't help myself :lol: ) would say: don't spit on it before trying it :nod: If generalized cloning does happen...well, I guess there would be nothing to do against it. Let just have the choice between that, and the good old fashioned way :) I will go for the second one anytime, I even have a great reason for that: huh, imagine clones of me !!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:
Religion, i can imagine a few groups popping up to kill those who are clones and those who make them. Also, artificial wombs havent been done already! Cloning with animals takes a lot of attempts to work and even then humans are more complicated, so it could lead to very ugly scenes, and create people with a lower quality of life, it took thousands of attempts to make Dolly and are you willing to kill thousands of people to make one clone? By sabotage i mean people stopping it through violence. If people attack farms over GM food, a GM person aint going to fare well, neither is the thing that made it.
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Originally posted by CP5670
To tell the truth, I never really understood what that smiley was supposed to mean, although I did see it used many times. Is the face carefully observing something?
It means naughty fool.
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Originally posted by CP5670
those fit in nicely in a number of places
Yup. Places that have nothing at all to do with maths.
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Yup. Places that have nothing at all to do with maths.
The problem here is that, although I aspire to completely logical, I know that it is impossible as I am just another human; I am not sure if the brain is even capable of this due to its incredible complexity. I try to supress all the irrational thoughts, including most emotions except for ambition (which is sometimes thought of as one), but that of course is impossible. :( There is an obvious paradox here, but due to Godel's incompleteness theorem, these cannot be avoid in certain situations. The other reason is that information coming from unfriendly sources sometimes lowers its credibly to the popular audience.
It means naughty fool
That makes no sense in some of the other contexts I have seen it used in, though. :p
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Zeronet, Japanese scientists are currently working on an artificial womb that will either grow a baby (a normal, 2 parent sex baby) or be implanted into infertile women or those who have had a hysterectomy.
And what makes you think they'll tell where they are doing the cloning? You've illustrated the exact reason they wouldn't. It'd be like the Boys From Brazil or something, but with less Nazis.
Dr. Joseph Mengele is dead...isn't he?!? :nervous: Styxx, I challenge you, as a resident of Brazil to find out if Dr. Mengele lives there or not! :nod:
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Well they havent done it yet. Anyway, if they dont say anything, it cant replace the normal(and the best) way of reproduction in the way CP wants(or tries to make us believe, personally i think he just pretenting this, that or he aint 15).
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Originally posted by CP5670
The problem here is that, although I aspire to completely logical, I know that it is impossible as I am just another human; I am not sure if the brain is even capable of this due to its incredible complexity. I try to supress all the irrational thoughts, including most emotions except for ambition (which is sometimes thought of as one), but that of course is impossible. :(
You're one sick, sick boy. Mind you, nobody ever seems to be around you to see that you have suppressed your emotions.
Do you ever feel sorrow? Sympathy? Or go :ha: :ha: :ha: ?
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Originally posted by Zeronet
But your not logical :p
Who what? Me or him? Him or who?
Who is Spain? :nervous:
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Your quoting something that was altered before your reply, when i observed your reply. Spain is an annoying country, Giblatar(sp?) is OURS! Its British!!
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Do you ever feel sorrow? Sympathy? Or go :ha: :ha: :ha:?
Sorrow, not anytime I can remember, but I probably did at some point in my life. Sympathy, probably never. I don't really laugh loudly but do occassionally "inwardly chuckle" or just show a mild smile. :p
and the best
Why the best?
personally i think he just pretenting this, that or he aint 15
Further experimental evidence for the rule stated earlier regarding ages. :D
Your quoting something that was altered before your reply, when i observed your reply. Spain is an annoying country, Giblatar(sp?) is OURS! Its British!!
Any land belongs to anyone who can defend it. :p
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No, by 15 the image of a beautifal women should have you transfixed, not a bloody maths equation. The logical concluesion would be misinformation and that do function like a normal human being but use the protection of the internet to say otherwise for some reason.
But dont forget, your unique..like everyone else!
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Originally posted by Zeronet
Your quoting something that was altered before your reply, when i observed your reply. Spain is an annoying country, Giblatar(sp?) is OURS! Its British!!
"Who is Spain" is a quote from Catch-22.
And I'll have none of your fervent nationalistic outbursts over a worthless piece of granite sticking out of the sea here. This forum exists outside countires, man. :wakka:
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Originally posted by CP5670
Sorrow, not anytime I can remember, but I probably did at some point in my life. Sympathy, probably never. I don't really laugh loudly but do occassionally "inwardly chuckle" or just show a mild smile. :p
Why the best?
Further experimental evidence for the rule stated earlier regarding ages. :D
Any land belongs to anyone who can defend it. :p
if the Spanish want to try, let them come and be defeated. When i join the Army i'll probably end up in some sort of conflict anyway.
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Originally posted by CP5670
...but due to Godel's incompleteness theorem...
Argh! Stop it, for God's sake! Nothing in the real world is caused by a theorem! The theorem can at most try to model a real world truth, and even then they are just simplifications! Damn...
:D
Try using the sentence "as it's shown by the whatever theorem" next time. It's still wrong, but it's more acceptable.
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No, by 15 the image of a beautifal women should have you transfixed, not a bloody maths equation
Beauty is an entirely subjective thing; everyone has their own opinion of what a "beautiful woman" is. I could say that mining trucks are beatiful and women are ugly, and I would be just as right as anyone else; this is entirely a matter of personal preference. To make it objective a "bloody math equation" is just what is needed, but it will hard to formulate such a thing. :p
Nothing in the real world is caused[/b] by a theorem! The theorem can at most try to model a real world truth, and even then they are just simplifications! Damn...
uh, the perfect model and the real world is the same thing, and every model is perfect until a better one comes up. :p Although, I can change the little English part if you like. :D
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A theory is just that. A fact is different to a theory.
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So I suppose you agree with me... :D :D
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Originally posted by Kellan
Dr. Joseph Mengele is dead...isn't he?!? :nervous: Styxx, I challenge you, as a resident of Brazil to find out if Dr. Mengele lives there or not! :nod:
Well, I'm sorry to inform you all, but he is alive. He's living on a small city on the countryside of my state. I know him. In fact, I'm the one who pick the people he will use on his experiments.
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Originally posted by CP5670
Beauty is an entirely subjective thing; everyone has their own opinion of what a "beautiful woman" is. I could say that mining trucks are beatiful and women are ugly, and I would be just as right as anyone else; this is entirely a matter of personal preference. To make it objective a "bloody math equation" is just what is needed, but it will hard to formulate such a thing. :p
Do you think Brinity Spears looks good?
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This is the bit where he asks who Britney Spears is. :D
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Originally posted by CP5670
Uh, the perfect model and the real world is the same thing, and every model is perfect until a better one comes up.
Nope. No model is perfect, except for the object being modelled itself. Simple rule of complexity theory.
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Originally posted by Styxx
Well, I'm sorry to inform you all, but he is alive. He's living on a small city on the countryside of my state. I know him. In fact, I'm the one who pick the people he will use on his experiments.
AAARGH!![/i] :shaking:
Can I help out? :)
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Originally posted by CP5670
Further experimental evidence for the rule stated earlier regarding ages. :D
Hm, nope. That's the assertion of a fact. Your rule is wrong, for it does not consider the effect of accumulated knowledge and experimentation results on the internal workings of oneself's brain's processing system.
:p
yes, that was a joke, f00!
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Originally posted by Kellan
This is the bit where he asks who Britney Spears is. :D
You know what, i think its quite possible he doesnt know who she is. I mean, we're his only contact with the outside world, we could tell him some...not so accurate things hehe.
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Originally posted by Kellan
Can I help out? :)
Yes. Get this CP guy and send them here. Mengele says:
Itz time vor zee elektrroshock therrapy!
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Originally posted by Kellan
This is the bit where he asks who Britney Spears is. :D
0wnage.
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Originally posted by Zeronet
You know what, i think its quite possible he doesnt know who she is. I mean, we're his only contact with the outside world, we could tell him some...not so accurate things hehe.
I read a story about that once. A scientist grew a child in a sealed environment and taught her all sorts of messed-up stuff about the world to show that perception is an internal human construct.
Oh well, zee elektrroshock therrapy! will sort CP out. ;)
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This is the bit where he asks who Britney Spears is. :D
I have heard the name a few times, but I have no idea what this person looks like.
Nope. No model is perfect, except for the object being modelled itself. Simple rule of complexity theory.
No model is perfect in a finite amount of time. :p
yes, that was a joke, f00!
I think I could see that... :D
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WE WERE RIGHT!!! WE WERE RIGHT!!!
Ahahaha. :ha:
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Originally posted by CP5670
I have heard the name a few times, but I have no idea what this person looks like.
No model is perfect in a finite amount of time. :p
Hoo boy......
And models are just that, models. I've dealt extensively with models, and you always get chaotic effects that can't be modelled.
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Originally posted by CP5670
I have heard the name a few times, but I have no idea what this person looks like.
Even I wasn't expecting that. CP5670, there is this little thing called the 'outside world'. I hate Britney, but I know what she looks like, as does everybody bar you, I expect.
Now's when I get convinced you're joking...
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Originally posted by CP5670
No model is perfect in a finite amount of time. :p
Nope, no model is perfect except for the object being modelled. Now go find out who Britney Spears is. :D
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Originally posted by CP5670
I have heard the name a few times, but I have no idea what this person looks like.
:jaw: ...mabye if you see her you'll change your outlook on life.
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Originally posted by Shrike
And models are just that, models.
No, no... There are Supermodels, who are much better... ;7
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CP start here http://www.britneyspears.com/home/index.php.
Dont miss out the e in Britney though.
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Originally posted by Zeronet
CP start here http://www.britneyspears.com/home/index.php.
Dont miss out the e in Britney though.
Britney Spears is evil, Zeronet. She shall lead ye from the path of the righteous and into the jaws of the hell-spawn. Or something.
Oh, and I have a sneaking suspicion she's a robot.
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Hoo boy......
And models are just that, models. I've dealt extensively with models, and you always get chaotic effects that can't be modelled.
I assume you have heard of that Godel theorem then. However, the theories can be brought to a certain limit that lies close to the "ultimate;" it will take a transfinite amount of time due to the number of theories that exist, but it is well within the bounds of math.
there is this little thing called the 'outside world'
yeah, but it's a bunch of nonsense. :p
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Originally posted by CP5670
I assume you have heard of that Godel theorem then. However, the theories can be brought to a certain limit that lies close to the "ultimate;" it will take a transfinite amount of time due to the number of theories that exist, but it is well within the bounds of math.
What? What are all these words and lines? :confused:
Ever heard of Occam's Razor?
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Originally posted by CP5670
yeah, but it's a bunch of nonsense. :p
Wait until you have to go outside to buy your own food - or even worse, find a way to pay for it. :D
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Originally posted by Kellan
Britney Spears is evil, Zeronet. She shall lead ye from the path of the righteous and into the jaws of the hell-spawn. Or something.
Oh, and I have a sneaking suspicion she's a robot.
Nah she wont. She is quite a clean person. Also i recommend this approach..
Nay, be warned of Britney Spears wise one, for she is evil and thoust would be best to remain on the righteous path, lest ye fall into the maw of hell and be consumed by its spawn!
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:ha:
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Wait until you have to go outside to buy your own food - or even worse, find a way to pay for it. :D
Actually I am talking about human social affairs here. :p
Well, I have to go for now, but as usual I will be back at 2 or 3 EST in morning. (I would have done this all day if I had the time, but I unfortunately do not :p :D)
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Originally posted by Kellan
:ha:
How is the demo doing?
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Originally posted by CP5670
Well, I have to go for now, but as usual I will be back at 2 or 3 EST in morning. (I would have done this all day if I had the time, but I unfortunately do not :p :D)
I guess we'll be done calling you all sorts of names when you're back... :D
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Originally posted by Zeronet
Nah she wont. She is quite a clean person.
In what sense? ;7
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Originally posted by Zeronet
How is the demo doing?
WARNING! Radical change of topic incoming! Please remain seated and fasten your seatbelts! :D
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Originally posted by Zeronet
How is the demo doing?
Yes. It's doing fine. I have finished 2 missions completely. The other 2 need a little more work. In addition, we could do with a bit of command briefing stuff, and the voicing will need work.
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Good. CP will be gone for some time. :p
*runs* ;)
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But the thread will grind to a halt without him as a great big TARGET. :)
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Originally posted by Kellan
But the thread will grind to a halt without him as a great big TARGET. :)
* makes up a paper CP and hangs it to the wall *
There, nice big target everyone. Now keep posting! :D
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Originally posted by Styxx
* makes up a paper CP and hangs it to the wall *
There, nice big target everyone. Now keep posting! :D
Yeah, CP isn't weird. Oh wait, he is. What else? He is strange? I guess so...
umm, we need the real CP here. ;)
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Yays! :yes:
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Originally posted by Styxx
Yes. Get this CP guy and send them here. Mengele says:
Itz time vor zee elektrroshock therrapy!
sorry for the old quote, but I felt from my chair reading that :D
Britney Spear... Ow my... it gets from bad to worst. bah, i'll grant her she's hot. but plz someone stickch ductape on her mouth! rah, anybody seen one of those internet games, Spank Britney? ;7
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Originally posted by Redfang
umm, we need the real CP here. ;)
Yeah, it's not that fun without him here trying to defend himself... :D
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Originally posted by Styxx
Yeah, it's not that fun without him here trying to defend himself... :D
*walks in and sees the picture of CP5670 on the wall*
Hey cool, a dartboard! :p
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Originally posted by Zeronet
if the Spanish want to try, let them come and be defeated. When i join the Army i'll probably end up in some sort of conflict anyway.
Anyhoo, in the absence of CP:
Countries are stupid. Discuss.
;7
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Originally posted by Kellan
Anyhoo, in the absence of CP:
Countries are stupid. Discuss.
;7
I was born British and i'll die British!! No damn Euro, no Euro superstate.