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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The Modding Workshop => Topic started by: Goober5000 on December 20, 2010, 04:57:09 am
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Do any exist? I'm looking for a sort of iterative upgrade to the Belial, one that could conceivably mount fighter beams. (I could put them on the Belial itself, of course, but that just seems like cheating.)
I've found two Shivan sentry guns on FreeSpaceMods, but they're both Mjolnir-caliber. I'm looking for something a bit smaller.
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http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/SSG_Annihilator
I'ma presume this is on of those guns you already looked at... Other than that, not sure I can help ya, Goob.
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Yeah, that's one of the two I found. I really like it, and I will probably even use it for something else, but it's not what I'm looking for.
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Hopefully I still have my advanced sentry guns somewhere backuped, but if so, you will have to add normalmaps, and maybe wanna redo a few things. There is also a terran and vasudan one, but they are each about three fighter lengths, supposed to be heavy anti fighter platforms.
Interested ? Then I go through my backup disks and look for them.
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Try any of:
http://starships.wikia.com/wiki/GTSG_Balmung (http://starships.wikia.com/wiki/GTSG_Balmung)
http://starships.wikia.com/wiki/GTSG_Euphrates (http://starships.wikia.com/wiki/GTSG_Euphrates)
http://starships.wikia.com/wiki/GTSG_Gungnir (http://starships.wikia.com/wiki/GTSG_Gungnir)
http://starships.wikia.com/wiki/GTSG_Safat (http://starships.wikia.com/wiki/GTSG_Safat)
http://starships.wikia.com/wiki/GTSG%C2%A0Pyre (http://starships.wikia.com/wiki/GTSG%C2%A0Pyre)
http://starships.wikia.com/wiki/GTSG%C2%A0Wolverine (http://starships.wikia.com/wiki/GTSG%C2%A0Wolverine)
http://starships.wikia.com/wiki/BSSG_Myrdin (http://starships.wikia.com/wiki/BSSG_Myrdin)
http://starships.wikia.com/wiki/Alien_Defense_Station (http://starships.wikia.com/wiki/Alien_Defense_Station)
None of them are Shivan, all of them are Sentry Guns. It's all I have, and I have to say I'm not sure if I remember where you can find any of these :(
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These are mine , yell If you want them. Actually, I would be glad if someone would use them, kinda shame to let them only rot on my HD. Maps are still PCX; but I should have the PSD files somewhere too.
http://wcsaga.hard-light.net/team/Starman/pics/ammut.jpg
http://wcsaga.hard-light.net/team/Starman/pics/gunstar.jpg
http://wcsaga.hard-light.net/team/Starman/pics/erebos.jpg
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Yeah, I'd definitely release those, I bet a good amount of people could use them.
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Starman, I strongly suggest you to release your sentries.
They're awesome.
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I love Shivan one. All textures should be red, but it's still awesome. Please, release it! :)
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Well, actually I released them a few years ago, just no one really cared :p They even were Highlighted :lol:
I will upload the package tomorrow, including psd files, I just have to search them. Models are pof'ed (though for older exes), and if I remembered debrised too, but have no shields yet because I was only able to create huge bubble shields. Also, some textures are tilled, I hope they are still usuable for the new ingame lighting, otherwise someone will have to create better UV maps for it..
I would love to see them ingame in some mod, I especially liked my shivan version, with it's glowmaps it looks really evil ingame
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Ooh, I really like that Shivan one. :)
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Well, actually I released them a few years ago, just no one really cared :p They even were Highlighted :lol:
I've got them, but I haven't made any releases at all, though I did have plans for them. I even made my own table entries.
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Hey Guys,
here are the sentryguns :
http://wcsaga.hard-light.net/team/Starman/downloads/sentryguns.rar
Sorry, I do not have the PS Files anymore, but that's not such a problem, it will be easy to recreate them from the maps. I guess for the newer SCP builds they need quite some updating, i.e. better UV mapping and also some pofdata might no longer be compatible. But it shouldn't be a big problem.
Have fun :)
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I only know about the 3 Shivan guns before Starman released the Erebos Shivan sentry.
SSG Trident and Belial (canon) and SSH Annihilator.
It´s sized as a corvette,and maybe more effective as 10 Belials.
Peter :yes:
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That's why I created them in the first place. IMO, the existing sentry guns simply weren't worth the money to be build and deployed, because they only last a few seconds in a battle.
My advanced sentry guns should fill in the gasp between a stationed fighter patrol or a patroling cruiser to defend areas and installation. They are no match for cruisers due to the armament, but offer very good anti fighter and bomber protection.
The level of damage is depended on the modder and your weapons, I intended them to have pretty strong weapons (not the "terran turret" blob that can be easily evaded, some bolts at the speed of the fighter lasers.
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I nominate this on the HLP mod of the year. All sentries but the mjolnirs are totally useless. These can actually defend at least themselves. shielding would be awesome though. Even if weak, it would render the maxim useless against them which would make them totally awesome.
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BTW, Goober :
Since you said you want to add beams to it (something I don't see on sentries, to little power core imo, Mjolnir was a stupid idea), I could remove the upper and lower laserturret on the shivan version and add some sort of beam-projector there (though I have currently no idea what looks good, I'm open for suggestions). Since it has a quite fat power core in the center, it could maybe support two AA-Beams
And someone should really add shields to it. They are meant to be shielded (big enough for a huge powercore), I just problems modelling good ones. Not sure if today are better shields possible than just the stupid bubbleshield
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There's always the "surface shields" flag, but a mesh would be cool.
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Yep. I'm just not sure what's possible today.
Last time I played with non bubble shields, I had extremly ugly hit effects at the curved parts, where the size of the faces was different. I still think, that adding a shield hit effect for the surface shield would be great, not sure what's working nowadays
Technically, a non bubble shield works well. I just can't do it. I was never really good in added deformed rounded meshes in Truespace, the programm is not good enough for that. All that is needed, is a mesh that follows the shape of the model and has mostly equal sized faces.
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Surface shields don't have effects at all, which is...alright I guess.
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BTW, Goober :
Since you said you want to add beams to it (something I don't see on sentries, to little power core imo, Mjolnir was a stupid idea), I could remove the upper and lower laserturret on the shivan version and add some sort of beam-projector there (though I have currently no idea what looks good, I'm open for suggestions). Since it has a quite fat power core in the center, it could maybe support two AA-Beams
Yes, that is exactly what I'm thinking. One AAA beam on the top, and one on the bottom. Then I might make some (or all) of the remaining turrets flak guns. :drevil:
And someone should really add shields to it. They are meant to be shielded (big enough for a huge powercore), I just problems modelling good ones. Not sure if today are better shields possible than just the stupid bubbleshield
What's wrong with the bubble shield?
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I don't like the idea of the bubble shield too much, but maybe that only a matter of taste. IMO if I create a simple bubble, it will shield too much empty space, I never liked that somehow. Here, that's what I mean :
(http://wcsaga.hard-light.net/team/Starman/pics/shield01.jpg)
Black is the gun, blue the shield, red the "unnecessary" parts. Due to the crosslike shape of the guns, those spaces would be quite hugh (also in height). But as I said, it's a matter of taste. The bubble shield has certainly one advantage, it could be done in a matter of minutes :)
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I'm not a modeller, so when I have needed a shield mesh, I've always imported a bubble shield from some other model, then scaled it to fit. :D
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Also, a bubble shield enables an interesting tactic, namely flying under it into unused areas.
Of course, if you don't want that, you'd have to use a shield that can fit more tightly.
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Well, it's up to you guys when you upgrade the model :) If you can, I would suggest that you create a shieldmesh that follows the shape of the model. But dragon has a point, flying below the shield sucks. That's sort of an error. Why should the shield block a kinetic missile, while it let's fighter go through :)
@ G5K, if you want to make all other weapons Flaks, that will be a real overkill. I also tried that in the past :D
Anyone into upgrading the erebos with some sort of beam weapon probs ? I'm currently a little busy with MC OT :)
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The best example of suffering from the bubble shields would be the sekhmet imgo. Awesome bomber, but it just has a damn huge profile. In the end you need to hit the hull anyway, but the huge shield is a setback when more than one enemies fire at you. While the one only needs to hit the shield from the distance and drain it, the closer one gets to the hull much easily. If the shield fits, both have to target precisely.
If you don't let the fighter through, you can't let through the support ship eaither. my guess is that the on-board computer shuts the quadrant down when something big approaches it.
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I guess repelling a fighter would drain the shield empty imiediately. The shield is built for short discharges. Maybe that's why it can't block beams?