Battuta: We've also been pleased by all the fan speculation. We know exactly what's going on through the end of the story so we were able to drop some pretty specific hints. Though there's an enormous one, present in ever mission of the game, that's staring people in the face and yet I suspect won't be noticed for some time.
The Jester was fixated upon something he called a 'deepness' which he could not describe.I think this is super importent and has something to do with subspace and interdimensional shifts and giant spacetime-consuming worms
QuoteThe Jester was fixated upon something he called a 'deepness' which he could not describe.I think this is super importent and has something to do with subspace and interdimensional shifts and giant spacetime-consuming worms
The Jester said that "something unspeakably terrible would happen within the next 50 years", which places it squarely in the BP2 timeframe.A civil war among the terrans in which civilian areas have been bombarded with nukes would do justice to his prediction I think.
I think it's got more to do with the universe and subspace at large than just this relatively small-but-nasty limited-to-one-system civil war. I think it's clear the "deepness" is about the Blue Planet setting in general (ie. alternate universes, the big 3 species, mythological **** and such) rather than just this war. The nuking of civilian areas doesn't really count to me as being "unspeakably terrible". Pretty ****ing terrible but not so freaking terrible as to cause you to go maaaad.QuoteThe Jester said that "something unspeakably terrible would happen within the next 50 years", which places it squarely in the BP2 timeframe.A civil war among the terrans in which civilian areas have been bombarded with nukes would do justice to his prediction I think.
Or maybe he meant the lost peacefullness and innocence of the people of Sol. Surely the (mostly) peacefull Solarians are slipping deeper and deeper into the spiral of hate and revenge the more they lose to the GTVA.
[/lurk]Laporte is the door.
Something in each mission? "Laporte"
[lurk]
Never mind actually, I don't want to guess right.
wall of text/me headdesks
Alright, I've got it. Guessing the ending for BP may be difficult, but it will have one quality for certain...
It will be insane.
Battuta says it has to do with a hint present in every mission which is literally staring everyone in the face. Well that can only mean one thing. The constellation Orion. Sitting far off to the side embedded in every single mission's skybox.
Oh how prey tell does Orion fit into all of this? The name of a grandiose Freespace destroyer also the name of a constellation, also the name of some ancient Greek warrior? Well you just keep reading.
Admiral Byrne says the UEF has no chance by winning this war through force of arms, and I believe him because the Fedayeen have something mad in store for the Tevs.
You know who Samuel and Father Bei are searching for at the ending cut scene? Shivans. That's right... they are calling the great destroyer to unleash damnation upon their foes at the risk of civilization itself.
And lest we forget Orion, the iron fist of the Shivans plan to obliterate the failed human race with apocalyptic doom. The Shivans set each of Orion's stars ablaze in a supernova chain reaction while slingshoting the fiery masses of destruction towards several worlds throughout GTVA controlled space by using the gravity of black holes. The Terrans are decimated and plea with the Fedayeen, but it's too late for both of them, because neither one is in control of their fate any longer.
The Shivans invade and do what they do best. They eradicate Terrans, Vasudans, UEF forces... all life must be purged. The GTVA UEF coalition of the damned are helpless to stop the Shivan threat which encroach upon their systems through both time and space. Using newly upgraded 'youcannotgetawayfrommenowsuckers' drives.
Thousands.... no wait... millions no wait... countless Vishnan warships emerge to bring balance to this otherwise impossible and reckless foe, for what is there to preserve if life does not exist. The physical plane of space is overwhelmed by the endless number of consistently warping ships such that the universe fragments into infinite dimensional planes of existence and space as we know it has morphed into continuous vibrating wavelengths of energy, without position and without dimension. Subspace is not subspace and time is not time. A broken equation, an ultimately incalculable scenario. The Vishnans have completed their task of preventing the universe from going off balance because an undefined equation can never yield 'false'.
You were worried about supernovas? Well prepare to be blown into the next universe, because this primal form uncontained energy is the recipe for a second big bang. A universe reset.
Boom.
Billions of years later, every subatomic particle falls into its rightful place and events take their course, moving and shaping themselves into fantastically an exact copy of the previous universe. Time manifests the events of the second universe right up until the point where the war in heaven begins. The Vishnans saved the universe, the first time... Will it happen again?Spoiler:Yes because this time the GTD Imperiose fails to jump in and the GTD Cartheage gets destroyed.
I know, I guessed everything. Call me Sherlock Holmes.
Wouldn't it make sense for there to be less info on GTVA stuff since you're flying for the UEF so you would have info on all your weapons but only some captured intelligence on GTVA weapons?
I'm thinking...
Humans either turn to be the new "destroyers", or the new "great caretakers".
Though I think it's too lame to be just that, still... I can live without knowing and I would hate myself from guessing it earlier anyway.
My guess: The vasudans support the UEF...
did you play the last half of WiHWell they might switch sides but that might be a little unlikely.
And what are those Brahmans exactly?This will probably be deconstructed in the campaign, but initially at least:
I'm guessing they are an ascended race, but aren't Vishinans the same thing?, and what about Shivans?
brahmans were the great creators.I agree with everything except the last 3 lines of your post. The last part wouldn't really do the whole narrative justice.
My bet is that the UEF is constructing some sort of subspace gate akin to the inter-system gates we see being used in nearly every mission (that being the element that is "staring us all in the face") with the crucial difference that instead of transiting you somewhere within the sol system it transits you to sol systems in other dimensions.
So, essentially, the UEF plan for victory runs like this.
1) Hold off GTVA forces while building dimensional subspace gateway.
2) Once gateway is finished, quickly establish relations with parallel universe UEF forces
3) Assuming a large enough number of universes the UEF now has an utterly insane number of warships to commit to the fight.
4) GTVA gets the **** kicked out of it a never ending stream UEF ships.
your creators blundered once and in doing so unleashed the deepness that stalks the cold roads of the cosmos
Some unique plot twists have been proposed :yes:(http://modestmovie.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/m-night-shyamalan.jpg)
I'd like to see a showdown between the Atreus and a Solaris class destoyer. No side has the advantage.
Suddenly Vasudans jump in, with at least one destroyer.
Steele says something along the lines of "Hahaha you stupid pacifists. Now you are finished".
The Vasudans warm up a beam and *bam* blow the Atreus' engines apart.
Now a little speech from the Vasudans about how they found out the truth about how Steele manipulated them with the help of the GEVs and that he would now die for his crimes.
After that the Solaris and the Vasudans pound the Atreus into spacedust.
I'd like to see a showdown between the Atreus and a Solaris class destoyer. No side has the advantage.
Suddenly Vasudans jump in, with at least one destroyer.
Steele says something along the lines of "Hahaha you stupid pacifists. Now you are finished".
The Vasudans warm up a beam and *bam* blow the Atreus' engines apart.
Now a little speech from the Vasudans about how they found out the truth about how Steele manipulated them with the help of the GEVs and that he would now die for his crimes.
After that the Solaris and the Vasudans pound the Atreus into spacedust.
That'd be a horrible waste of the best character in Blue Planet. If it happens, I will cry.
Who said anything about Steele dying? Didn't you guys ever hear of escape pods?
I doubt either the Vasudans or the UEF would just want to blow him up, if they had the chance to put him before a court.
As for the Vasudans: Their whole species went to a decades long war over a translation mistake.URGH. I don't know why people keep saying this. Terran mishandling of the conversation was clearly a contributing cause, but it wasn't the sole reason war broke out.
I never said it was. But if it was just a minor annoyance they wouldn't have gone to war, no matter what else happened.Dude. There were other reasons for the war. Things like, I dunno, border disputes, aggression, mutual fear, etc.
I know that, and I even acknowledged it in the very post you quoted! But if the translation mistake wouldn't have been a serious affront to the Vasudans, then it would have never even been mentioned.I never said it was. But if it was just a minor annoyance they wouldn't have gone to war, no matter what else happened.Dude. There were other reasons for the war. Things like, I dunno, border disputes, aggression, mutual fear, etc.
I know that, and I even acknowledged it in the very post you quoted! But if the translation mistake wouldn't have been a serious affront to the Vasudans, then it would have never even been mentioned.Yeah I misunderstood your post. I thought you said that if the Conversation wasn't a big deal they wouldn't have gone to war entirely, not that it wouldn't have been mentioned in the tech entry. But still:
And if that doesn't get my original point through, that seems to have been lost somehow, let me rephrase:Firstly, it's "Gefs", not GEVs. It's also not an acronym, so it's not GEFs either.
According to their tech-room entry the Vasudans place a lot of value on social rituals and proper behaviour.
Steele made sure the GEVs would attack the Vasudans and tried (and at least initially suceeded) to manipulate them. That is as far from proper behaviour as you can get and thus will have serious repercussions if the Vasudans ever find out.
And even the Terran side of the GTVA might take offense in Steele giving sensitive information (the place of a diplomatic meeting of a Vasudan Admiral) and GTVA equipment (at least one Argo) to terrorists. Taking offense can be anything between a harsh reprimand for causing a diplomatic crisis and being put up on charges for treason.
Or perhaps Byrne did something to that Lucifer derelict.What Lucifer derelict? What little of the Lucifer came out of that jumpnode in the first place blew up in a pretty massive explosion. I doubt there was much debris left after that, certainly not enough to call it a derelict.
Shivans and Vishans arrive, Earth destroyed.
Looking through WiH, there doesn't seem to be anything that's present in every gameplay section of the campaign. My guess at the big hint is the picture of Jupiter in the background of the briefings. It's basically the first thing you see whenever you start a mission, which certainly counts as staring you in the face. So my prediction is: R2 will revolve around a last ditch attack on Jupiter to break the GTVAs' back and bring them to the negotiating table.
Other misc. guesses:
-Calder's quest for revenge leads him to a Captain Ahab style death
-Ken turns out to be Aken Bosch, who joined the Shivans in the same way Bei joined the Vishnans
-Bei succeeds in contacting the Vishnans, but the Vishnans turn out to be evil somehow
Or perhaps Byrne did something to that Lucifer derelict.What Lucifer derelict? What little of the Lucifer came out of that jumpnode in the first place blew up in a pretty massive explosion. I doubt there was much debris left after that, certainly not enough to call it a derelict.
There wouldn't be plenty, the two chunks that survive are barely even Fenris sized, and extremely damaged.
-Ken turns out to be Aken Bosch, who joined the Shivans in the same way Bei joined the Vishnans
-Ken turns out to be Aken Bosch, who joined the Shivans in the same way Bei joined the Vishnans
:eek: Sounds plausible to me, so plausible I wish I hadn't read it!
Maybe the jumpnode collapses again? (portal misfunction or vishnan influence)
Just destroying the portal probably collapses the node again. Remember it has only been reopened for less then 2 years. It had no time to stabilize probably.The Knossos in Gamma Draconis stabilized after about a month.
Just destroying the portal probably collapses the node again. Remember it has only been reopened for less then 2 years. It had no time to stabilize probably.The Knossos in Gamma Draconis stabilized after about a month.
-Bei succeeds in contacting the Vishnans, but the Vishnans turn out to be evil somehowThe third point seems highly unlikely to me, unless you mean the Vishans have an own agenda. Still the Vishans seem genuine to me.
What? Knossos had been there for ages. Surely the Ancients stabilized the subspace node long before that time. It was at best hypothized in one of the missions that it may be ages until the node'd collapse. Sure, the GTC Trinity activated it again but it's obviously been used before (hence it's presence).It had been there, but was inactive for about 8,000 years. It was reactivated by the Trinity, and by the time of the Knossos' destruction by the Renenet the node had stabilized by itself. The time between that couldn't have been more than a few months at the very most.
-Ken turns out to be Aken Bosch, who joined the Shivans in the same way Bei joined the Vishnans
:eek: Sounds plausible to me, so plausible I wish I hadn't read it!
Ken definitely transforms her into a warrior and influences the outcome of the war.
-Ken turns out to be Aken Bosch, who joined the Shivans in the same way Bei joined the Vishnans
a) The Vishnans are energy being... It's hinted in BP that the Shivans are something similar...Possibly Energy being who can take solid form...Like Lorien or the Vorlons in B5This could actually be a good explenation for the mechanoid aspects of the shivans. Those bodies are actually encounter suits that are "inhabited" by the Shivans either beause their energy bodies can't interact otherwise with physical beings, or to hide their true nature.
c) Samuel Bei was turned into a "sorta-vishnan" - energy being but not quite part of the Vishnan conciensness...but it gained the Vishnan's a better understanding of humanity. Possibly he could have bridge between the Vs and humanity...A sort of Locutus-of-Borg.Samuel wasn't changed. They took his spirit/mind/personality/whatever and projected or even moved it into a ship. But his body remained as it was, stored (kinda) safely in the Keeper. That he returned to his body after the Keeper was destroyed, makes it more likely that he was only projected and not completely moved into the ship.
4) Shivans and Vishnans are not Seperate species...They are different Aspects of the SAME race...Not too complicated. One faction wanted to best the Shadows within the rules, while the other thought pretty much "screw those stupid rules and just wipe out anyone touched by the shadows".
I'll explain this in a seperate thread soon...It's Vorlon related, so it will be complecated...
That would be an excellent plot twist.I've been thinking about this - the tech room description gets at the fact he's almost risking the Atreus jumping around with such frequency. Or maybe some crewman would just be broken and something goes wrong and put him in some wrong place.
I predict that Laporte will end up having to have a mental face off with a Nagari-potential unlocked/boosted Steele in order to try and prevent her unleashing the Shivan menace upon the GTVA. It will turn out that the Vasudan which passed her the schematics was actually a member of the Hammer of Light.
I'm pretty sure someone like Steele knows better than staging last stands. He is more valuable defeated but alive than glorious and dead.
With correct formatting:Spoiler:The Voices in the Womb spoke wordlessly.
Infancy is amnesia yet you remember them.
As a child you were told I was only in your head, yet where else are voices ever heard?
You are not mad, nor have you ever been.
You are no mystic, you are a made thing, gifted with an ear for the quantum whisper.
You draw a line between two worlds: the world of fighters and armor and briefings, and the world of dreams and portents.
But this dreamscape, this child's phantasmagoria, is a glimpse into a world just as real and deadly, a place of strategems of treachery and power that seems to you as strange as a briefing would seem to an ape.
REMEMBER THIS:
Those who walk among infinite worlds must still wage war. Do not be lulled by the
soft words of mysticism and spirituality. We too struggle with our own war in heaven.
Our purpose is unclear, the old design fails.
We perform bakhti and Tapasya in order to divine the will of those who passed deeper eons ago, leaving us to preserve, and our brothers in dance to their frigid watch at the border where worlds fray and blur together.
Brothers, Brothers, Paramatma! Why are you so cold? You tend to the walls and the clockwork, while we the gardeners execute your will upon all the life within. You maintain the old plan, but do not pretend surprise when we cast it aside.
Your creators blundered once, and in doing so, unleashed the deepness that stalks the cold roads of the cosmos.
We must prepare.
Second part:
Balance must be maintained. The original plan is imperative.
We seek the one out of many, the one who can match the brahmans of old.
Enlightenment is a threshold, the catalyst for amalgamation, for the singularity that binds whole species into the union we seek.
The old burnt the cosmos clean in the wars of their youth.
Never again will that price be paid.