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Title: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: carn1x on January 03, 2011, 11:55:02 pm
So am I the only one, or does any one else feel that with Volition laid a few turds with their capital ship designs? Some they totally nailed so it balances out happily for me however:

- Lucifer: Is this an ant with it's 4 hind legs ripped off?
- Typhon: All I can ever think of is a dead bull-squid from half life
- Colossus: This just feels like a missed opportunity to me, especially considering the Hecate looks so sophisticated and "out of the ashes of the GTD." In a full-bright environment where you can spin it around, it can look OK, but I think that from some angles it really has a crappy shape/silhouette. Maybe the size of it just restricted the polycount too much? 
- Hades: I kinda like this, but the texturing just clashes horribly. I understand that it's supposed to be a fusion of Terran/Shivan, however the texture just feels like a bad photoshop job to me.

On the other hand:

- Orion: This is pure Terran awesomeness
- Demon: I still feel like the Demon looks a scrunched up, but I've always seen it as living in the shadow of the Lucifer, so that kinda fits its personality
- Hecate: I love this ship
- Ravana: Very nice
- Iceni: Looks a bit small and weak but I've always like to think of it as the Hecate's evil little brother
- Hatshepsut: It reminds me a lot of a vacuum cleaner, but I still think it kicks ass
- Sathanas: This is the pinnacle of Volition's capital ship design, outstanding

I don't feel this way about any of the other ships. I think made all the Cruisers, Corvettes and single-man craft perfectly. There are a few transports and freighters that look a bit boring, but those kinds of ship are supposed to be :)
 
What I'm getting at, I think, is how would the community feel about a "Reborn" version of certain capital ships? Obviously I would love to make the originals awesome rather than totally redesign, and I'm not a modeller, texturer or anything-else-er so it's easy for me to post this and complain.

Are there any models that people agree would just plain look better with a bit of excessive tweaking and chopping and gluing?
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: General Battuta on January 03, 2011, 11:58:06 pm
Um have you ever used the MediaVPs
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: Hades on January 04, 2011, 12:08:50 am
So am I the only one, or does any one else feel that with Volition laid a few turds with their capital ship designs? Some they totally nailed so it balances out happily for me however:
Yes, but not the ones you listed for the reasons listed.
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- Lucifer: Is this an ant with it's 4 hind legs ripped off?
Somewhat, I guess, not but really.
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- Typhon: All I can ever think of is a dead bull-squid from half life
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1hWgY1vowlA/TFjPLWk822I/AAAAAAAAAGc/iAQOG6Y0YV8/s1600/bullsquid+(2).jpg)
wat
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- Hecate: I love this ship
Ok, now I know you know nothing about pretty ships ever, the Hecate looks like a kitbash of random parts, a skull head, elephant ears, shark fins, lego blocks, etc. It doesn't look like a warship, let alone a ship at all.
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- Ravana: Very nice
- Iceni: Looks a bit small and weak but I've always like to think of it as the Hecate's evil little brother
- Hatshepsut: It reminds me a lot of a vacuum cleaner, but I still think it kicks ass
- Sathanas: This is the pinnacle of Volition's capital ship design, outstanding
since you're doing the whole asinine compare-ships-to-biology I guess that means I can do my own.
The Ravana looks like a hand;
(http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/images/Sdravana-old.jpg)
(http://skeletonsandmore.com/cart/images/a46r.jpg)
The Iceni looks like a bird
(http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/images/Ntficeni.jpg)
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT7THZFzpIpvPmBZq2e8Bh1yneqgDL16lRPWGnITz-cjcNqgVEBcw)
The Hatshepsut looks like a ****ing vacuum cleaner, but you already said that.
The Sathans looks like a flea
(http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/images/Sjsathanas-old.jpg)
(http://green.apartmenttherapy.com/images/uploads/8_9_2007-flea.jpg)
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: Nohiki on January 04, 2011, 12:22:11 am
The ravana reminds me of some kind of hand blaster, and it even fit's it's use :) Hit and kill in 1 strike.
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: carn1x on January 04, 2011, 12:26:17 am
Um have you ever used the MediaVPs

Yes and they definitely sexify things, put some of them really are polishing turds in my opinion.

I dunno what it is, every space game I look at, capital ships just look beefy, heroic, dominating and many designs just "make sense" like when you hear a song that's really awesome and you think "Yeah this song just wrote itself." Some of the Volition capships just look like they took a bad idea and tried to make it work rather than scrap it and start again.
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: Mars on January 04, 2011, 12:33:04 am
Hmm.

Fenris&Levi --> Turtle
Sobek -> Half chicken leg
Deimos, Orion -> (Awesome) brick
Colossus -> Not so awesome giant pistol
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: Hades on January 04, 2011, 12:36:46 am
Fenris&Levi --> Turtle
Sobek -> Half chicken leg
(http://seedmagazine.com/images/uploads/turtle_article.jpg)
I uh, don't see how a turtle looks like a Fenris or Leviathan, an Aten, perhaps, but not the Fenris.

And the Sobek looks more like a Vasudan penis if there was one. :P
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: Mars on January 04, 2011, 12:40:33 am
You have a point about the Fenris turtle thing.
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: Rga_Noris on January 04, 2011, 12:41:33 am
Hatty looks like a razor.

(http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af118/RgaNoris/HattyRazor.png)
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: TrashMan on January 04, 2011, 01:53:14 am
I guess it depends n what you look for (or expect...or prioritize) in ship design.


Personally, I value both aesthetic appeal and functionality.
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: Rampage on January 04, 2011, 02:54:56 am
I'm not going to say anything but just enjoy this thread before it gets closed.
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: ssmit132 on January 04, 2011, 03:04:46 am
The Sathans looks like a flea
(http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/images/Sjsathanas-old.jpg)
(http://green.apartmenttherapy.com/images/uploads/8_9_2007-flea.jpg)
...Giant Space Flea From Nowhere (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere)? :p
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: Zacam on January 04, 2011, 03:23:17 am
Is this going somewhere? Because if it hasn't by the time I've finished a nap, this is going to move to GenDisc.
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: The E on January 04, 2011, 03:29:37 am
No need to wait. This is more GenFS stuff than anything else, so I'm moving it.
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: Mort on January 04, 2011, 03:33:12 am
Everyone has their own opinions. I think the hecate looks awesome but doesn't fit with the designs of the other terran capital ships.
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: Marcov on January 04, 2011, 05:59:44 am
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- Lucifer: Is this an ant with it's 4 hind legs ripped off?

No, not really. The Lucifer looks like a legless, malevolent lobster without antennae (it has them with the MEDIAVPS). Thank you, Axem, very much, for making me get the perfect match for the Lucy (there's a mission in JAD where it's referred to as a "Demon Lobster").

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- Orion: This is pure Terran awesomeness

True. It looks like a plump, space skyscraper.

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- Iceni: Looks a bit small and weak but I've always like to think of it as the Hecate's evil little brother

IMO it looks like a tough nut to crack. Its hull looks very heavily armored, really.

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- Sathanas: This is the pinnacle of Volition's capital ship design, outstanding

I think it looks like a giant bug with crablike claws at front.

Hatty looks like a razor.

(http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af118/RgaNoris/HattyRazor.png)

3.6.12 made the Hatty have reptilian skin :p.
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: Titan on January 04, 2011, 08:53:48 am
I actually love the design of the Hecate. I don't now why everyone likes the Orion so much to be honest; I guess I just never really got the 'block of rock' thing that everyone likes to say here. It never looked particularily powerful to me. Meanwhile on the Hecate, everything is inflated in a way; sorta like that Typhoon/Hurricane thingamagig that got released recently. The engines, the turrets, everything is almost cartoonishly bulging with power. If only it wasn't tabled to be ****E.
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: T-LoW on January 04, 2011, 09:37:13 am
I think the Sath looks more like a tick (and is at least as dangerous as one :p )

(http://www.garten-informationen.de/zecken.jpg)
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: SpardaSon21 on January 04, 2011, 12:57:22 pm
Hey, ticks give Lyme disease.  They're pretty lethal.
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: Unknown Target on January 04, 2011, 01:00:27 pm
I'm a fan of the Rakshasa myself;

(http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/techfs/jeremy/rakshasa.jpg)
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: Snail on January 04, 2011, 01:04:03 pm
If you look at the Rakshasa from the front it kind of looks like a vagina. I think that's one of the subtle pieces of carnal imagery Volition employed. Sort of like H.R. Giger's Xenomorph from Alien or the Sarlacc from Star Wars.
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: Nohiki on January 04, 2011, 01:15:30 pm
Well even shivans has to reproduce somehow :D

My personal favorites are Hattie/Iceni/Ravana, with ravana being also the absolute 1st.
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: BengalTiger on January 04, 2011, 03:40:14 pm
*Has disturbing images of a Sobek in REALLY close combat with a Rakshasa*
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: Marcov on January 05, 2011, 06:47:32 am
Actually, the Rakshasa doesn't look as much like a penis as the Shiamak does  :lol:.
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: T-LoW on January 05, 2011, 06:57:37 am
Actually, the Rakshasa doesn't look as much like a penis as the Shiamak does  :lol:.

It looks really cool and threatening! ... at the first view... ;)
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: Snail on January 05, 2011, 09:19:00 am
Actually, the Rakshasa doesn't look as much like a penis as the Shiamak does  :lol:.
I didn't say it was phallic.
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: Marcov on January 05, 2011, 11:46:08 pm
Oh, sorry, but the Rakshasa actually looks more like a penis than a vagina, I think.

Judging by which looks more like a penis,

Shiamak>Rakshasa>Sobek

Sobek doesn't really look like one IMO. I mean, where the hell does the urine go out from?
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: General Battuta on January 05, 2011, 11:49:42 pm
penises aren't for urine, they're for penetrating
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: Marcov on January 05, 2011, 11:52:02 pm
The Rakshasa isn't sharp enough to penetrate.
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: General Battuta on January 06, 2011, 12:10:11 am
The Rakshasa isn't sharp enough to penetrate.

yes it is, there are dildos shaped like that

also

this is why when you look at it from the front it looks iannic
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: Droid803 on January 06, 2011, 12:41:57 am
If you think a sobek doesn't look phallic, put two of them, with the "flat" side together.
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: Marcov on January 06, 2011, 05:06:29 am
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yes it is, there are dildos shaped like that

also

this is why when you look at it from the front it looks iannic

Sathanas is a better tool for penetrating, not a Rakshasa, or a penis. Or, of course, the notorious spike of the big C.
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: karajorma on January 06, 2011, 05:08:46 am
You guys really need to get laid more.

Hell maybe even watch more porn. :p
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: Jeff Vader on January 06, 2011, 07:00:28 am
Yeah! Weirdos...
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: General Battuta on January 06, 2011, 08:02:04 am
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yes it is, there are dildos shaped like that

also

this is why when you look at it from the front it looks iannic

Sathanas is a better tool for penetrating, not a Rakshasa, or a penis. Or, of course, the notorious spike of the big C.

are you ****ing kidding

you are clearly 8
Title: Re: Volition Capital Ship Designs:Reborn?
Post by: Mongoose on January 08, 2011, 01:02:48 am
It allllll comes back to wangs.