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Hosted Projects - Non-FreeSpace => MechCommander OmniTech => Topic started by: Starman01 on January 18, 2011, 03:10:47 am
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On my search for some images I found this :
http://www.mechwarrior5.ru/gallery-01.html
Does anyone here (russian people especially) know anything about this project / game ? From the models, some terrain and especially some buildings this looks like a highly enhanced Mechwarrior 4 engine ? Though it seems to be from 2001/2002 :confused:
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there was some buzz about it on here a while ago here (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=64227.0)
also try
http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/100/1002275p1.html
and unfortunatly
http://kotaku.com/5352295/mechwarrior-5-runs-into-legal-trouble
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/uhoh_mechwarrior_5_legal_trouble
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No, I don't think that's related to each other. The russion one is much older, and as I said reminds of MW 4 due to some models
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I am russian. This page seems quite familiar. I think these are just pictures done by 2D/3D artists. I've also seen most of these pictures on http://ppc.warhawkenterprises.com/1.html
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Somehow it looks to me like a MW4 clone with added bump or normalmaps (which would be really great, I never liked the old comic engine) :)
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I know a lot of these images. Some are renders and others are from the readouts or novels.
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So they never really existed as a game ? Too bad. I would love to see MW 4 with a better graphic :(
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there is an HD patch, but it doesn't work with the free release. It only works with the retail version and Mektek's MekPak 3.02b patch.
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Well, I have all selled releases, though some (especially Mercs) are in german. BTW; mektek, how can I get a hand on the free release with all mechpaks ? This MTX programm is the biggest pile of crap I have ever encountered. I downloaded the file via torrent, but now I can't open it because it's mtx. I would really like to kick somebodys ass for that :hopping:
What does the HD patch do ? Any preview images available ? The few I found doesn't show anything that special, just a few light enhancements, though no texture upgrades :(
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This is just mech4. Except the picture of all the highlanders. If I am not mistaken that is from either Battletech Master Rules, or the Mercenaries handbook.
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Well, if it's really "just" MW4, then they made the renders outside the game engine. The textures of the mechs are really good, and far beyond what was seen ingame ;) I hoped for a to me unknown mod or something...... :sigh:
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i've said it before, i'll say it again. I spent 50 bucks on mech4, and it was horrible. Lucky for me discs can double as coasters.
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i've said it before, i'll say it again. I spent 50 bucks on mech4, and it was horrible. Lucky for me discs can double as coasters.
hmp, I enjoyed it especially the Solaris tourney
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I also enjoyed it very much, even if it has some flaws. The comic like textures were not good, and the fact that the autocannon was suddenly a one shot canon always pained me (but on the other hand, they made the impulslasers working correctly). And german localization voices were incredible bad. But beside that, it was really good. To bad there was no modding attempt or possibility to enhance the engine, that would have been great.
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http:mektek.net (http://http:mektek.net)
Maybe it's cause I am old school. The mechs didn't look right at all. As a player of Btech for a great many years, I can tell you that the models that were truest to Battletech were in Mech3. Take for instance the Daishi in mech4. Since when is a daishi tall and slender? Who the hell put it on a diet?
Microsoft made up some mechs, and in the briefings made a big deal out of each and every one. As far as I was concerned the only one I liked was the cougar. The feel of the mechs was completely wrong as well, it failed to capture that "walking a giant machine" feeling. In the original mech4 you couldn't create a custom design and name it or the game became so unstable that you had to uninstal it and then reinstal it. It was typically microsoft, hurry up and get it done so that we can get it out by Christmas.
They did 1 thing right as far as I was concerned, they used an algorithm to defeat lag in multiplayer. While imperfect it was a huge improvement over the lag shooting in mech3. I remember once playing the mech3 campaign and couldn't figure out why I wasn't hitting anything, it was because I was lag shooting against my own comp. That's how used to playing multi online I was. lol
The only other thing they did right was adding co-op missions in multi.
The only saving grace of mech4 as far as I will ever be concerned was Mech4 Mercenaries. While not as good as Mech3, it was by far better than Mech4. I don't need to bring up Black Knight, do I?
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Well, I have all selled releases, though some (especially Mercs) are in german. BTW; mektek, how can I get a hand on the free release with all mechpaks ? This MTX programm is the biggest pile of crap I have ever encountered. I downloaded the file via torrent, but now I can't open it because it's mtx. I would really like to kick somebodys ass for that :hopping:
What does the HD patch do ? Any preview images available ? The few I found doesn't show anything that special, just a few light enhancements, though no texture upgrades :(
The HD patch updates the textures for almost everything (mechs, vehicles, buildings, etc.) in the MW4. There is also an HD patch for MW4 Veng. in the making. I have a link to someone's website that contains Mektek's patches (.0021 to .0028) that are already extracted. Full, extracted, install of MW4 Mercs. so far is the given link: http://www.jadefalconclan.com/downloads/mechwarrior4mercenaries.all.to.51.03.01.0028.mtx
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http:mektek.net
All I can say is this :(
Well, I have all selled releases, though some (especially Mercs) are in german. BTW; mektek, how can I get a hand on the free release with all mechpaks ? This MTX programm is the biggest pile of crap I have ever encountered. I downloaded the file via torrent, but now I can't open it because it's mtx. I would really like to kick somebodys ass for that
@Raven : Thanks, I will check these sites.
Just noticed, you also posted a mtx file. This ****ing program is not working. Seems like someone tried to created a steam clone and just produced an epic fail :( Any download for the already extracted stuff ?
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@Shadow : Yep, i mostly agree. MW4 never managed to give me the same cool feeling I had with MW3. To bad, i cannot run this anymore.... And to bad, the new game was killed due to the stupid lawyers. Fück them all
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oops, one other thing. The custom modifications. I liked how you could only put ballistic weapons in ballistic slots, energy weapons in energy weapon slots, etc. That was inovative and true to btech.
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Mechwarrior hasn't been killed i don't think. Mech5 was. The new one was being headed up by some guy who bought the rights to Fasa Interactive from M$.
oops wasn't thinking and double posted, my apologies.
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I liked how you could only put ballistic weapons in ballistic slots, energy weapons in energy weapon slots, etc. That was inovative and true to btech.
Yes, that's also something I like very much. The mechlab in MW4 was quite good, and we are trying to create the same now for OT :)
So, Mechwarrior (the one with the cool trailer from last, warhammer fighting jenner and atlas) is NOT dead ? I thought this one was killed because the Warhammer is unseen and looks so much like the macross tomahawk (to bad if the japanese are not able to make their branch to money, but NO, they had to kill the other one :doubt: ) This game would be one of the few, I would even by a new computer for ;7
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http:mektek.net
All I can say is this :(
Well, I have all selled releases, though some (especially Mercs) are in german. BTW; mektek, how can I get a hand on the free release with all mechpaks ? This MTX programm is the biggest pile of crap I have ever encountered. I downloaded the file via torrent, but now I can't open it because it's mtx. I would really like to kick somebodys ass for that
@Raven : Thanks, I will check these sites.
Just noticed, you also posted a mtx file. This ****ing program is not working. Seems like someone tried to created a steam clone and just produced an epic fail :( Any download for the already extracted stuff ?
The file is already extracted, I believe. All it costs is some time to download it (it's > 1 GB) and make the folder containing this stuff. (MTX is bad, MTX extractor is decent, but requires some kind of Torrent client, and this takes some time.).
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I liked how you could only put ballistic weapons in ballistic slots, energy weapons in energy weapon slots, etc. That was inovative and true to btech.
Yes, that's also something I like very much. The mechlab in MW4 was quite good, and we are trying to create the same now for OT :)
So, Mechwarrior (the one with the cool trailer from last, warhammer fighting jenner and atlas) is NOT dead ? I thought this one was killed because the Warhammer is unseen and looks so much like the macross tomahawk (to bad if the japanese are not able to make their branch to money, but NO, they had to kill the other one :doubt: ) This game would be one of the few, I would even by a new computer for ;7
Not dead yet. Smith & Tinker and Piranha Games made no mention of it being canceled, and their website still says that it's in development. I don't expect the Warhammer to be seen again, though. At least, not in its current form.
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Hm, that's at least some good news. I'm really eager to see, if the ingame graphic does really look like that. I simply can't believe it :) Every stray shoot made damage in the city background, that was so cool :)
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Definitely use the separate MTX extractor (http://www.mektek.net/downloads/mtx/beta/SetupMTXExtract0.0.1.5.exe) on the MTX file. Much less buggy, though there is a new version of MTX client in the works.
Make sure your AV definitions are up to date, or temporarily disable any active scanners when you install, as they do seem to suffer from a lot of false positives and that can corrupt your installation.
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Are you sure it's safe, when there are so many erros from the AV ?
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Microsoft made up some mechs, and in the briefings made a big deal out of each and every one. As far as I was concerned the only one I liked was the cougar.
You jackass. :P The 'Mechs are pretty much legit. The Cougar in particular was in TRO:3060 and MC1 well before MW4 released. (It might also have been in Field Manual: Crusader Clans, but I haven't checked that recently.) The Hellion, Thanatos, and Chimera are in TRO:3070. The only 'Mech that was totally made up was their version of the Hellhound.
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explains why i liked the cougar
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TRO 3067(not 3070), and I'm pretty sure they were simply canonizing the new MS Mechs in there. IIRC, the MW4: Vengeance box even boasted of, "x new Mechs never before seen in the BattleTech Universe".
TRO 3067 (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Technical_Readout:_3067) was released in 2002, MW4: Vengeance (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/MechWarrior_IV)(where most of the MS mechs first appeared) was 2000.
It look like about 1/3 of TRO 3067's IS Mechs are the new MW4-MW4:Mercs lineup, with a few more from MechCommander(Stilleto) and MechCommander2(Anubis, Razorback, Sha Yu, possibly the Lao Hu). Of the Clan Mechs, only the Mad Cat Mark II was taken, AFAIK.
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It look like about 1/3 of TRO 3067's IS Mechs are the new MW4-MW4:Mercs lineup, with a few more from MechCommander(Stilleto) and MechCommander2(Anubis, Razorback, Sha Yu, possibly the Lao Hu). Of the Clan Mechs, only the Mad Cat Mark II was taken, AFAIK.
The Capellan stuff, the Fafnir and and Templar, and the Hellion/Stilleto are from Field Manuals that were released contemporary to the game. More to the point, it doesn't matter if they're making it legit, they're still legit now. :P
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I loved the MW4:Merx Hellhound. Hands down favorite medium of the game.
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Yes, I also liked the look of it. It's also in our mod, btw :)
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Yes, I also liked the look of it. It's also in our mod, btw :)
Yeesssss! The Hellhound <3
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I loved the MW4:Merx Hellhound. Hands down favorite medium of the game.
Best early mech in the game
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I loved the MW4:Merx Hellhound. Hands down favorite medium of the game.
Best early mech in the game
Nah. I still go with the Uziel anyday.
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By the way, I think the only legal trouble that the new Mechwarrior got into was the use of the Unseen in the trailer. Seems those mecha copyright holders are still throwing a fit, 15 years later.
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Indeed. Like I said, they were to dumb to make money out of their franchise, but likely we have the modern law. If you are to dumb to do something, get yourself a lawyer and sue those who can.
Yesterday I read somewhere that Smith&Thinker still has it on their website, but no more update has been postet, they are doing some handy game crap instead.
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Seems those mecha copyright holders are still throwing a fit, 15 years later.
you also have to understand that if they don't do anything to protect the copyrights, there would be no reason for the copyright to be there in the first place. and the owner of robotech has a lot of other things raking in money so he can do these legal battles.
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Out of curiosity, since I don't really know much about it, why did the creators of BattleTech decide to essentially rip off those anime mech designs in the first place? You'd think they would have realized that it was some pretty clear-cut copyright infringement, and it's definitely caused a quite a mess over the years.
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actually, fasa wasn't the creator of battletech, while yes they did make a lot of the rules/mechs/guns/equipment.
ok, there was this company that made Battledroids, it had the unseen mechs in it, and they did get permission from harmony gold to use the art. well the company sold Battledroids to fasa, and fasa renamed it battletech, and they kept making the stuff till harmony gold realized that fasa was useing the art w/o their written permission (because fasa misplaced it somewhere, so they had none). so now Battletech is owned by Topps, with catalyst doing the major stuff for it now. so battletech is pretty much all over the place while robotech has stayed with the same owner.
now a little fun fact about smith and tinker, the founder had founded fasa before founding smith and tinker.
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From what I'd heard, it was more of a case of FASA got permission, but asked people who, it turned out, only believed they had the right to give such permission(some smaller company(not HG), I think it was whoever was importing Robotech merchandise at the time).
There was never any actual judgment barring FASA/CGL/Topps from using the art, but until last year...er, two years ago now, they simply stopped using any out-of-house art(including some completely original art commissioned from smaller outside companies(see: much of TRO:3055)), to avoid any possible future conflicts. Now only the original Macross-based art is considered 'Unseen', and a few were already so significantly altered(the "Ost"-series 'Mechs), that they're not considered part of the batch any more.
EDIT: There was a confidential settlement that ended the original court case (http://battletech.catalystgamelabs.com/2009/08/10/sometimes-things-just-dont-go-as-we-want-them-to/), which was apparently overlooked or forgotten about.
Late EDIT2: On thinking/checking (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Unseen#From_Victor_Musical_Industries) again, it was mostly Clan Mechs from TRO: 3055 that were Unseen due to association with VMI, plus a few Unseen-derived designs, though some were considerably altered to the point where you'd have to be told what they were supposed to resemble.
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Ah, I see. That's one hell of a complex situation.
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It should be noted though, that in the Project Phoenix TROs they also had created new artwork for the mechs in question, so i wouldn't be overly surprised if they use them if things didn't go too well in the suit. Really for right now i think its just a wait and see deal and will probably be revealed (at least i hope) at E3 2011.