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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The Modding Workshop => Topic started by: Rampage on May 06, 2002, 07:52:16 am
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Dear Fanatic Freespace... People:
I am currently working on the model for the GTVX Gorgon Array Frigate. It's basically several Homeworld and Freespace Ship parts grouped into an awsome model. I'll work on the model and post some screenshots as soon as I get home from work.
Rampage
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Originally posted by Rampage
Dear Fanatic Freespace... People:
I am currently working on the model for the GTVX Gorgon Array Frigate. It's basically several Homeworld and Freespace Ship parts grouped into an awsome model. I'll work on the model and post some screenshots as soon as I get home from work.
Rampage
find another name :) usually, I wouldn't care about a few ships sharing the same name, but... mmh, the gorgon, it's Dark, you know... ;)
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It's the exact name and designation I used in Derelict. :p
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Originally posted by Kellan
It's the exact name and designation I used in Derelict. :p
It's supposed a newer version of the prototype used in Derelict. GTVA improved it.
Here's the image:
(http://pages.prodigy.net/descent_fan/images/array.jpg)
Rampage
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RENDER THE DAMN THING!!!!!!
I don't see the point in making something in a 3D prog and then using screen-shots to show it off.
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*throws a bucket of cold water over an0n*
Cool your jets :lol:
Anyway. Looks interesting Rampage :nod: keep going.
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hmmmmm.........
Body looks like a Taiidan Ion Cannon Frigate from Homeworld with Turanic Raider arrays and the GTXI Gorgon Cannon name from Derelict.
[SIZE=8]
ORIGINALITY IS A-1 SUPAR! [/SIZE]
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Originally posted by nuclear1
ORIGINALITY IS A-1 SUPAR!
:nod: I see only two ship types in there...are there any more?
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Originally posted by nuclear1
hmmmmm.........
Body looks like a Taiidan Ion Cannon Frigate from Homeworld with Turanic Raider arrays and the GTXI Gorgon Cannon name from Derelict.
ORIGINALITY IS A-1 SUPAR!
It looks exactly like a Taiidan ion cannon frig with a Raider Ion array frig's little wings. Basically a perfect ripoff
edit:
Turnac Array: (Ion particle acceleration array panels closed)
(http://well-of-souls.com/homeworld/hws/turanic/ion_array_frigate1.gif)
Taiidan Ion cannon friggalot:
(http://well-of-souls.com/homeworld/hws/taiidan/ion_frigate2.gif)(http://well-of-souls.com/homeworld/hws/taiidan/ion_frigate1.gif)
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3 things:
1.It's Ion Cannon frigate, not frigalot!
2.There are no freespace parts on that thing.
3. That would belong in a HW MOD better than a FS one. All it is, as stated in the preceding post, is an ion cannon frigate with the turanic raider's Ion beam acceleration "wings"
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Originally posted by vadar_1
Basically a perfect ripoff
This model is still tentative. The textures are still Homeworld textures, not Freespace 2 textures. You'll have to wait at least one week for me to finish this thing. A meson reactor will be added later, and I'm also planning on replacing the unabridged Taiidan Ion Frigate with a blend of the Zephyrus and the Ion Frigate.
Edit: And What the Heck is "A-1 SUPAR"?
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Originally posted by vadar_1
It looks exactly like a Taiidan ion cannon frig with a Raider Ion array frig's little wings. Basically a perfect ripoff
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Turnac Array: (Ion particle acceleration array panels closed)
(http://well-of-souls.com/homeworld/hws/turanic/ion_array_frigate1.gif)
Taiidan Ion cannon friggalot:
(http://well-of-souls.com/homeworld/hws/taiidan/ion_frigate2.gif)(http://well-of-souls.com/homeworld/hws/taiidan/ion_frigate1.gif)
Course, having that is a whole lot more panicking :D
Thanks there. Couldn't find a picture :D
IF you were going to use the Raider's Arrays, you would have to make them be able to close up and open up.
The primary reason for the arrays closing is to reduce stress damage during rotation.
That Ion Frigate still gives me chills when I see it.
(http://well-of-souls.com/homeworld/hws/taiidan/images/destroyer4.jpg)
Bring on the fleet!
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Originally posted by Rampage
Edit: And What the Heck is "A-1 SUPAR"?
Goto here (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,7458.0.html)
And nuclear, I know that is the wrong picture. It's a Destroyer, not an Ion Frigate :p The only ion frigate I see is the one in the background. :nod:
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I know thats a destroyer. I'm a die-hard HW fan.
I could give you the definitions of every single HW ship..... but I'll only do a few....
"Skaal-Tel" Destroyer- The seond most feared Taiidan ship, next to the Qwaar-Jet Heavy Cruiser. Named after the dangerous Kharakian predatorial cat, hunted to the near edge of extinction.
"Qwaar-Jet" Heavy Cruiser- The single most powerful ship in the entire Taiidan fleet. Rightfully named after the Kharakian god of pain and suffering. Though having met its match with the Hiigaran "Avatar" Heavy Cruiser and the Soomtaw "Archangel" Dreadnought, it was lost none of its fearful reputation. When a Heavy Cruiser shows up on the scene, things get really quiet, really fast.
Hiigaran "Avatar" Heavy Cruiser: If Hiigaran pilots see Fleet Command as a goddess, then the Avatar is her divine wrath on the mortal plane. Having been derived from research into extremely heavy guns (each about half the size of an entire frigate), the Avatar packs a more deadly punch than any Hiigaran vessel in production. With four frontal ion cannon turrets, this vessel could easily destroy a frigate in a matter of seconds.
Soomtaw "Archangel" Dreadnought: As the war against the plague known as the Beast raged on, Soomtaw Fleet Command desperately needed new warships in production. With the time required to research tech for the Avatar cruiser, it was obvious that there would be nothing left of Soomtaw by the time one full research cycle would be complete! After taking deep scans of Bentusi tradeships, Soomtaw engineers finally were able to replicate the bindings needed to create a vessel of comparable power. After many failed attempts, Engineering finally broke through with the Archangel Dreadnought. With forward missile banks, dual 360 degrees ion cannons, and many energy cannons, the Dreadnought is easily the most powerful in the known Galaxy.
(http://well-of-souls.com/homeworld/hws/somtaaw/images/dreadnought2.jpg)
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;7
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Lol! The hilarious thing about the HW:C manual is that is says (as stated above), that the arrays close to "prevent damage caused by high-G manuevers,"
However, there's no gravity in space, hmmmm:D
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/me smacks Unkown Target for confusing gravity with g-force
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Originally posted by ZylonBane
/me smacks Unkown Target for confusing gravity with g-force
Well ive never been into space byself... but I dont think their is a g-force without gravity... but I might be wrong, been a while since ive been in physics
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Argh!
/me picks up Unkown Target and uses him to smack vadar_1
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*twitches and agrees with Zylonbane's tactics*
G-forces are what keep you plastered in the back of your seat while the roller coaster does a loop.
G-Forces is nothing more than SIMULATED GRAVITY!
G-Forces can be applied ANYWHERE! Gravity is NOT a required element in any case!
In fact in many sci-fi shows (Such as Babylon 5) they spin or rotate ships to provide G-forces within the rotating area. Which simulates gravity! (And required to prevent muscle and bone degredation after a period of 3 months or so.)
The further out something is from the center of rotation, the higher the G-Force on that object. So if the frigate suddenly decided to turn around there would be alot of shearing force caused by the G-forces applied along the length of the panels.
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Ahem, ahem....
G-Force is the amount of pressure gravity pushes down on a body with.
In fact, the "G," in G-Force stands for "gravity".
The most common example: a high-preformance jet.
When you pull back on the stick in the jet, you go up, and, since gravity is pulling you downwards at exactly 1 G, your going up in a hard turn presses you down harder, and, therefore, you can get up to the eyeball-popping force ofm about 10 Gs.
Now, without gravity, you would simple stay weightless, don't believe what the ****ty Wing Commander movie tells you :D
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Originally posted by Unkown Target
Ahem, ahem....
G-Force is the amount of pressure gravity pushes down on a body with.
In fact, the "G," in G-Force stands for "gravity".
The most common example: a high-preformance jet.
When you pull back on the stick in the jet, you go up, and, since gravity is pulling you downwards at exactly 1 G, your going up in a hard turn presses you down harder, and, therefore, you can get up to the eyeball-popping force ofm about 10 Gs.
Now, without gravity, you would simple stay weightless, don't believe what the ****ty Wing Commander movie tells you :D
Nope. Not true. G-force is the action on a body caused by conservation of momentum.
When you corner in a car quickly you feel a pull sideways opposite to the direction you are steering in. If G-force was infact caused by the Earth's gravity why would it pull you sideways?
What is going on is this. You`re travelling down the road at 70mph. The car is too. When the car suddenly changes direction your body tries to continue in a straight line. Therefore you feel a force pulling you in the direction you were travelling. That's G-force.
Astronauts experience huge G-Forces not because the Earths gravity is pulling on them hard but because they were sitting still when suddenly the rocket around them is trying to accelerate at high speed. The rocket has to push on the pilot hard to keep him sitting in the seat (instead of sinking through it!).
Gravity is a function of mass and the distance from that mass. In the case of a rocket launch the mass of the Earth is staying the same and the rocket is moving AWAY from the centre of mass. So why would the pull of gravity increase?
The confusing thing is that G-force is measured in gravities. Don`t let that confuse you. The force isn`t caused by gravity it's just that saying that you`ve pulled a barrel roll in your fighter jet and experienced the force of 10 Earth Gravities is much easier (and cooler for that matter) than saying you experienced an acceleration of 98 metres per second per second (BTW that wasn`t a typo acceleration is measured in m/s/s).
In space G-forces act in exactly the same way. Although you might be weightless when the ship is sitting still if it starts moving you will feel G-force pulling you in the opposite direction to the one you`re travelling in.
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gettin a headache...... gettin a headache!
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Is it the movement of the rocket in space which causes the G-Forces or the acceleration (9.8m/s^2 = 1G)?
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Originally posted by karajorma
Nope. Not true. G-force is the action on a body caused by conservation of momentum.
When you corner in a car quickly you feel a pull sideways opposite to the direction you are steering in. If G-force was infact caused by the Earth's gravity why would it pull you sideways?
What is going on is this. You`re travelling down the road at 70mph. The car is too. When the car suddenly changes direction your body tries to continue in a straight line. Therefore you feel a force pulling you in the direction you were travelling. That's G-force.
Astronauts experience huge G-Forces not because the Earths gravity is pulling on them hard but because they were sitting still when suddenly the rocket around them is trying to accelerate at high speed. The rocket has to push on the pilot hard to keep him sitting in the seat (instead of sinking through it!).
Gravity is a function of mass and the distance from that mass. In the case of a rocket launch the mass of the Earth is staying the same and the rocket is moving AWAY from the centre of mass. So why would the pull of gravity increase?
The confusing thing is that G-force is measured in gravities. Don`t let that confuse you. The force isn`t caused by gravity it's just that saying that you`ve pulled a barrel roll in your fighter jet and experienced the force of 10 Earth Gravities is much easier (and cooler for that matter) than saying you experienced an acceleration of 98 metres per second per second (BTW that wasn`t a typo acceleration is measured in m/s/s).
In space G-forces act in exactly the same way. Although you might be weightless when the ship is sitting still if it starts moving you will feel G-force pulling you in the opposite direction to the one you`re travelling in.
That would be centrifical (sure its not spelled right) force. :D
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Originally posted by Unkown Target
Ahem, ahem....
G-Force is the amount of pressure gravity pushes down on a body with.
In fact, the "G," in G-Force stands for "gravity".
The most common example: a high-preformance jet.
When you pull back on the stick in the jet, you go up, and, since gravity is pulling you downwards at exactly 1 G, your going up in a hard turn presses you down harder, and, therefore, you can get up to the eyeball-popping force ofm about 10 Gs.
Now, without gravity, you would simple stay weightless, don't believe what the ****ty Wing Commander movie tells you :D
Absolutely correct. if there were no gravity, then people would remain weightless and float off the earth. And the salary for many Physicists would probably go down a lot :D
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Originally posted by Tachnyrus
Is it the movement of the rocket in space which causes the G-Forces or the acceleration (9.8m/s^2 = 1G)?
G-Forces are a concequence of acceleration. You can move at any speed without feeling any G-forces as long as you take your time to get to that speed. If you try to accelerate quickly you'll feel the G-force.
Originally posted by Silver_Scythe
That would be centrifical (sure its not spelled right) force.
Centrifugal force is just a way of thinking of the G-forces experienced by something moving quickly in a circle.
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F=ma, so they are caused by high instantaneous acceleration. ;)
Centrifugal force is just a way of thinking of the G-forces experienced by something moving quickly in a circle.
Actually that's the centripetal force. :D (net force is directed towards the center)
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Originally posted by CP5670
Actually that's the centripetal force. :D (net force is directed towards the center)
I know that centripetal force is the correct name but I wasn`t going to further confuse people by explaining why :D
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Well, people's attention span is starting to wander, so, erm, can we agree on something and get back to the ship?:D
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Well there is another topic about the same ship :D
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Ok.....
G-forces need gravity!:D
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I believe the topic's name was "One More Reason to Dream: GTVX Gorgon Array Cannon" not "G-forces/Gravity. Related?"
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Originally posted by Unkown Target
Well, people's attention span is starting to wander, so, erm, can we agree on something and get back to the ship?:D
We agree that you are completely wrong about g-forces. This isn't a matter of opinion... it's a matter of established physics.
Accept this, or we will further confuse you with talk of the difference between zero-G and free fall.
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Originally posted by ZylonBane
Accept this, or we will further confuse you with talk of the difference between zero-G and free fall.
NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:D
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so Inertia (if thats how its spelt) is just the same/by product of G-force?
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(http://well-of-souls.com/homeworld/hws/somtaaw/images/dreadnought2.jpg)
Has similar traits to that of a Bentusi trading station yes:jaw:
Taiidaan 4ever
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Originally posted by Bishop Gantry
Has similar traits to that of a Bentusi trading station yes:jaw:
Taiidaan 4ever
Just without the kick-ass beams! :D
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Zylon, I know what I'm talking about. You need gravity for g-forces.
Think about it; how could you be pulled downwards, without gravity?
Anyways, it looks like a Bentusi ship, because it was based on Bentusi technology.
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G-force as commonly believed is NOT caused by gravity, gravity only contributes to it. Mass x (Gravity + Acceleration)= the force you feel. If gravity is zero you still have acceleration contributing to the G-force because you end up with Mass x (Acceleration). So you can still feel force from acceleration in space. Why do you think astronauts go through G-force training if they're going into space. :p :p
EDIT: By the way i'm 12 and I know this shouldn't most of you know that too by now?
EDIT2: And G-force does stand for Gravity force. This is because when you pull 2 G's you are experiencing a force similar to the force of 2x earths gravity (1 G)
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Originally posted by Unkown Target
Zylon, I know what I'm talking about.
No you don`t :D
Originally posted by Unkown Target
You need gravity for g-forces.
Think about it; how could you be pulled downwards, without gravity?
Look at the example I gave above. Why are you pulled sideways by a conering car if G-force is caused by gravity?
Also if G-force is caused by gravity how do you explain that a fighter pilot can pull negative G manouvers where he actually starts to weigh less?
Remember that gravity (on Earth at least) is simply an acceleration of 9.8m/s/s. If you experience another strong acceleration it can cancel out or increase the pull you feel towards Earth.
Oh and about there being no G-force in space. Here's a quote from a space shuttle astronaut.
From http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/feedback/expert/answer/crew/sts-92/
Question: What is the g-force the astronauts experience during a launch?
Mission Specialist Koichi Wakata : At launch the gravity that we experience is about 1.7 g's and by the time the solid rocket boosters are separated which is two minutes into the launch the g-force will be over 2 g's. At the separation of the solid rocket booster, the g-force will decrease to just over 1 g. During the last one minute of the ascent, which is for 8.5 minutes, when the main engines ignited the last full minute, we will experience about 3 g's, and when the main engines cut off around 8 minutes, 30 seconds, you go right into zero-g and everything starts to float around.
Notice that the second the astronauts cut the shuttles engines they go from 3 gravities to weightlessness immediately.
Here's a link where they talk about including a centrifuge gym on space stations and a future mars missions. http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/artgravity_spindrs_001107.html
The idea of the gym is to produce an area on the station where false gravity exists so that astronauts can prevent bones becoming brittle. Why would MIT and NASA be wasting time on something like that if there is no such thing as G-force in space?