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Title: ANOTHER apparent reference to FreeSpace 2 in Discovery mod for Freelancer
Post by: Marcov on March 17, 2011, 12:01:23 am
Should this be in General FreeSpace discussion? Anyway, it's here since it refers to Freelancer.

Recently I discovered that Discovery, a mod for the game Freelancer, features an unofficial player group called the Neo-Terran Front. I myself have never played Freelancer yet, and I'm ignorant of what this really means (just what is an "unofficial player group"?). Anyways...

http://www.discoveryfl.com/wiki/index.php/Neo-Terran_Front#History_of_the_Front

There it is. If anyone remembers I made a previous site about the Sathanas, Nebiros, Beast, and Ravana as Trek ships (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=72950.msg1441227#msg1441227). This is another one. Funny to think that when I just randomly Google "Sathanas" or "Neo-Terran" in the net things like this appear. The following are references to FreeSpace 2:

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Base of operations  NTBS Belisarius, mobile

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The Neo-Terran Front exists for the purpose of, eventually, building one or more sleeper ships and escaping Sirius altogether. The idea is that at least a part of humanity will survive and thrive if disaster strikes Sirius. The NTF's ideology touts the concept of Neo-Terra, a new homeworld that would echo the lost grandeur of Earth and become the new cultural and economic center of humanity.

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But they were determined in their goal, laid out by their surviving leader, Ian Bosch, to build that Sleeper Ship; to create a new Eden in another system, or if they dared to hope, another galaxy.

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Finally, the NTF has long-term plans to construct at least one Sleeper Ship, and preferably as many as they can put together. The first will be named the Iceni, but it has yet to even reach the design stages, much less actual construction.

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]NTF[-NTSV-Hinton - The NTSV Hinton was a Zoner Conference class gunboat. Once the personal vessel of a Zoner of Rheinland origin, the Hinton was purchased by Robert Crompton, a Bretonian freelancer who later defected to the Front. Used primarily for research and diplomatic missions, the Hinton was destroyed attempting to protect other NTF vessels fleeing Kansas.

-The NTSC Hinton is the Faustus science ship you are supposed to protect in Rebels and Renegades (http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Rebels_%26_Renegades).

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]NTF[-NTGB-Undaunted - The Undaunted was the sole surviving vessel of the Neo Libertonian Front division of the LSF. It carried the handful of dreamers and idealists who would go on to revive the dream of Neo Terra or die trying to their salvation. Rescued by the Order and having undergone patchwork repairs after limping from Alaska, it served as the mobile HQ of the Neo Terran Front for a little over a year, until the Cassus Belli was acquired. Upon the signing of the Front's pact with the Legion, the Undaunted was towed off to be used for spare parts in return for three Bayonet class fighters and three Broadsword class bombers.

-I'm not sure what the Undaunted really was, but I believe it was a Leviathan-class cruiser you're supposed to destroy in the mission where Mjolnirs and a Vasudan Typhon destroyer are present (NTF ships are trying to flee, and the Undaunted is one of them, I think).

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The NTF possesses a Heavy Lifter, the NTUV Faustus. It is used for moving large items and asteroids around, and for conducting ongoing repairs to the Belisarius.


It is VERY LIKELY that this was a reference to FreeSpace and that it was created by FS fans.
Title: Re: ANOTHER apparent reference to FreeSpace 2 in Discovery mod for Freelancer
Post by: Commander Zane on March 17, 2011, 12:07:54 am
Discovery uses just about everything for story material.
Title: Re: ANOTHER apparent reference to FreeSpace 2 in Discovery mod for Freelancer
Post by: Hades on March 17, 2011, 12:17:42 am
Actually, that was started by Hellstryker and Mad Bomber, I believe. It as meant as a throwback to FreeSpace. Either way they're getting off of the ****hole Discovery mod and making their own mod.
Title: Re: ANOTHER apparent reference to FreeSpace 2 in Discovery mod for Freelancer
Post by: Nuke on March 18, 2011, 01:48:49 pm
i tried to dabble in freelancer modding bud i decided the engine was too restrictive to do anything cool with. discovery mod is probably every ****ing ship anyone ever modded into freelancer. i saw **** from classic bsg and serenity was in there and some starwars stuff and a hell of a lot of other **** that just didnt belong there.
Title: Re: ANOTHER apparent reference to FreeSpace 2 in Discovery mod for Freelancer
Post by: Locutus of Borg on March 18, 2011, 02:15:52 pm
People started shooting me because they didn't like my ship
I uninstalled
Title: Re: ANOTHER apparent reference to FreeSpace 2 in Discovery mod for Freelancer
Post by: Commander Zane on March 18, 2011, 02:27:08 pm
i tried to dabble in freelancer modding bud i decided the engine was too restrictive to do anything cool with. discovery mod is probably every ****ing ship anyone ever modded into freelancer. i saw **** from classic bsg and serenity was in there and some starwars stuff and a hell of a lot of other **** that just didnt belong there.
Every mod is like that. WTS, TNG, Discovery, Crossfire (Has the Ragnarok from FFVIII, beastly so I think it's exempt, and the Starlancer ships too, but now it has all these new ships that are just complete ****piles of five-second model / texture works that, anyone can make by getting [Insert program here], shape here and shape there, bam done), all have ships from other shows / games up the ass.

Hell, WTS even has the GTF Apollo and GTB Ursa (I think the Ursa), and the SF Scorpion.

I almost forgot, among the newest ships added to Crossfire are ships from Spaceforce: Rogue Universe.
Title: Re: ANOTHER apparent reference to FreeSpace 2 in Discovery mod for Freelancer
Post by: NGTM-1R on March 19, 2011, 04:37:55 pm

Quote from: Commander Zane

Commander Zane.



...okay yes I'm easily amused. Juni. :P
Title: Re: ANOTHER apparent reference to FreeSpace 2 in Discovery mod for Freelancer
Post by: Mobius on March 19, 2011, 04:50:53 pm
Has the Ragnarok from FFVIII

Alright, now tell me how to get it.
Title: Re: ANOTHER apparent reference to FreeSpace 2 in Discovery mod for Freelancer
Post by: Hades on March 19, 2011, 05:02:34 pm
i tried to dabble in freelancer modding bud i decided the engine was too restrictive to do anything cool with. discovery mod is probably every ****ing ship anyone ever modded into freelancer. i saw **** from classic bsg and serenity was in there and some starwars stuff and a hell of a lot of other **** that just didnt belong there.
Every mod is like that. WTS, TNG, Discovery, Crossfire (Has the Ragnarok from FFVIII, beastly so I think it's exempt, and the Starlancer ships too, but now it has all these new ships that are just complete ****piles of five-second model / texture works that, anyone can make by getting [Insert program here], shape here and shape there, bam done), all have ships from other shows / games up the ass.

Hell, WTS even has the GTF Apollo and GTB Ursa (I think the Ursa), and the SF Scorpion.

I almost forgot, among the newest ships added to Crossfire are ships from Spaceforce: Rogue Universe.
Discovery is actually moving away from that and trying to follow Freelancer better, all ships from other universes are being thrown out. Only thing now is that they follow vanilla Freelancer too closely, where the new ships added are literally resized versions of retail ships or follow the style of one ship in a line and resized with almost a religious zeal.

WTS has the Dragon Medusa, Herc I, and a few more ships as well I think.
Title: Re: ANOTHER apparent reference to FreeSpace 2 in Discovery mod for Freelancer
Post by: Commander Zane on March 20, 2011, 12:11:21 am

Quote from: Commander Zane

Commander Zane.



...okay yes I'm easily amused. Juni. :P
Actually my username isn't because of Freelancer, I've used it before I played the game.

Has the Ragnarok from FFVIII

Alright, now tell me how to get it.
Be an Admin on the Crossfire server or something like that, it isn't bought.
Title: Re: ANOTHER apparent reference to FreeSpace 2 in Discovery mod for Freelancer
Post by: Hades on March 20, 2011, 12:38:09 am
Does the Crossfire mod still have the Kurgan and was it ever made buyable? It was one of my favorite ships from Starlancer, tbh.
Title: Re: ANOTHER apparent reference to FreeSpace 2 in Discovery mod for Freelancer
Post by: Commander Zane on March 20, 2011, 12:50:50 am
No idea.
Title: Re: ANOTHER apparent reference to FreeSpace 2 in Discovery mod for Freelancer
Post by: Mobius on March 20, 2011, 04:43:43 pm
Has the Ragnarok from FFVIII

Alright, now tell me how to get it.

Please...
Title: Re: ANOTHER apparent reference to FreeSpace 2 in Discovery mod for Freelancer
Post by: Commander Zane on March 20, 2011, 04:44:59 pm
Has the Ragnarok from FFVIII

Alright, now tell me how to get it.

Please...

Be an Admin on the Crossfire server or something like that, it isn't bought.
I did.
Title: Re: ANOTHER apparent reference to FreeSpace 2 in Discovery mod for Freelancer
Post by: Mobius on March 20, 2011, 04:48:15 pm
I thought you were joking or something, really.
Title: Re: ANOTHER apparent reference to FreeSpace 2 in Discovery mod for Freelancer
Post by: Commander Zane on March 20, 2011, 04:55:09 pm
I'm serious.
Unless you play Single Player where you can edit the market_ships.ini to replace the ships in New Manhattan with the Ragnarok, it's reserved for certain players.
Title: Re: ANOTHER apparent reference to FreeSpace 2 in Discovery mod for Freelancer
Post by: Mobius on March 20, 2011, 05:01:03 pm
Are there any screenshots showing their version of the Ragnarok?

(sorry, guys, but I'm the way too interested on that ship!)
Title: Re: ANOTHER apparent reference to FreeSpace 2 in Discovery mod for Freelancer
Post by: Commander Zane on March 20, 2011, 05:09:57 pm
Plenty on the Crossfire ModDB screens...usually from Chase View, you'll have to look pretty deep into the screenshots list to find it in other angles.
Title: Re: ANOTHER apparent reference to FreeSpace 2 in Discovery mod for Freelancer
Post by: Marcov on March 26, 2011, 12:35:07 pm
I apologize for the 7-day old thread being resurrecte (it's just that it'd be too redundant to start another thread), but here's another discovery.

http://starwars-exodus.wikia.com/wiki/Orion-class_Destroyer_Mark_I

:lol:
Title: Re: ANOTHER apparent reference to FreeSpace 2 in Discovery mod for Freelancer
Post by: Commander Zane on March 26, 2011, 01:44:17 pm
Oh what is this...I don't even...
Title: Re: ANOTHER apparent reference to FreeSpace 2 in Discovery mod for Freelancer
Post by: Marcov on March 26, 2011, 08:36:05 pm
There are indeed a lot of references to the FreeSpace universe throughout the internet, without anyone knowing, except perhaps the one who made it. I'm assuming little know it's from FS in that latest link, and I'm sure it's like that too for other universes as well, importing ships from other franchises to fit into their own fanon.
Title: Re: ANOTHER apparent reference to FreeSpace 2 in Discovery mod for Freelancer
Post by: NGTM-1R on March 26, 2011, 09:50:55 pm
The link on that page for the Tarrasque-class shows a Battletech WarShip. I'm not sure of the class, but I think it's the Liao cruiser...

...and that page links to one with an image of the Sulaco plus a BT Aegis-class and wtf is this **** seriously
Title: Re: ANOTHER apparent reference to FreeSpace 2 in Discovery mod for Freelancer
Post by: PsychoLandlord on March 26, 2011, 10:15:36 pm
This is...well, disappointing. Originality truly is dead.
Title: Re: ANOTHER apparent reference to FreeSpace 2 in Discovery mod for Freelancer
Post by: Marcov on March 27, 2011, 04:58:51 am
I would've been fine if fans of said universes integrated theirs with others (e.g. Orion destroyer treated like some random Star Wars warship, with turbolasers instead of beams), but it's extremely disappointing to see that they hadn't put a single clue that it was from that universe.
Title: Re: ANOTHER apparent reference to FreeSpace 2 in Discovery mod for Freelancer
Post by: Zacam on March 27, 2011, 07:47:16 am

Same with the Arcadia, Amazon Advanced, Medusa and several other ships from FS I saw in that site under image browsing.
Title: Re: ANOTHER apparent reference to FreeSpace 2 in Discovery mod for Freelancer
Post by: Mongoose on March 27, 2011, 01:16:07 pm
Hell, they're even ripping essentially word-for-word from the FS1 Tech Room description. :p
Title: Re: ANOTHER apparent reference to FreeSpace 2 in Discovery mod for Freelancer
Post by: Polpolion on March 27, 2011, 01:22:43 pm
It wouldn't be as bad if the description weren't plagiarized nearly word-for-word from the tech room...
EDIT: dammit
Title: Re: ANOTHER apparent reference to FreeSpace 2 in Discovery mod for Freelancer
Post by: Hellstryker on May 24, 2012, 07:19:52 pm
Actually, that was started by Hellstryker and Mad Bomber, I believe. It as meant as a throwback to FreeSpace. Either way they're getting off of the ****hole Discovery mod and making their own mod.

What this guy said.

This is...well, disappointing. Originality truly is dead.

Oh and by the way, the last time I checked freespace's NTF wanted to dominate the sector and slaughter aliens, not be nice to the aliens and leave. If you actually do your homework you'd see that me and Mad Bomber took nothing but names. >_>
Title: Re: ANOTHER apparent reference to FreeSpace 2 in Discovery mod for Freelancer
Post by: Mad Bomber on May 24, 2012, 07:53:24 pm
I was wondering when someone from HLP would find this. ;)

The FS references were very deliberate. But at no point did we say "we wound up here from the FS universe" or anything of the sort. Nor did we import any ships.

The NTF was more of a random hodge-podge of ex-pats from various factions, who banded together to try to build a sleeper ship. We also took over the Kansas system for a while, and had a number of very interesting encounters.

At this point on Disco, the NTF is defunct. We had a good run, but a fair number of the more influential admins have long been deeply hostile to non-canon factions. It became very frustrating and put a major damper on the efforts we put into trying to become an official faction with our own diplomacy.  :banghead:

Because of the increasingly strict rules surrounding ID's, we were pretty much unable to do our roleplay without either breaking the rules somehow, or being absorbed by another faction (and thus being forced to all but abandon our storyline).

Nonetheless, it was fun. :)

Here's a couple of vids from our time on the server.
- Skirmish in California (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rvMtFgfZYU)
- Recruitment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tdFXkTI2j0)
- Decagonal Warfare (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwYCm9B3FQs), aka a massive and spontaneous battle in Omega-3.

Oh. And yes, the Belisarius did get to say "The NTF is the ONLY legitimate authority in this system!"  :lol:


Anyway, Hellstryker and a bunch of other current and former Disco-ites (myself included) are working on a mod called Neo-Terra, with a mess of new content (including a new plotline, new system map, and new ships). Have a look at a video of an early alpha build here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTkj3Yuqvkg)