All aboard the bus to Shivantown!-Lets go!
This interview has got me thinking about going back and playing more of the fan work. What do you recommend?
So basically the Shivans are tasked with building the Galactic Autobahn and the GTVA is getting the short stick of eminent domain so they can put in a subspace bypass?
Shivans sound more like Reapers than ever and FS3 would be much much more like BP than expected
Well, well, well.
Most interesting indeed.
So, how does collapsing a star make a jump node? I though nodes required a star's gravity well to exist?
A signal long dormant that when used would have sparked their curiosity, hence boarding and capturing rather than just destroying Bosch and his ship outright.Alien, you have spoken the Words. You have spoken them rightly. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEFALqujPPU)
*awards nuclear one internet*A signal long dormant that when used would have sparked their curiosity, hence boarding and capturing rather than just destroying Bosch and his ship outright.Alien, you have spoken the Words. You have spoken them rightly. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEFALqujPPU)
I don't think you need to fill up this thread with elaborate descriptions of the same things everybody else has imagined.
Ahhh you collapse stars and you get black holes. Cappella has enough mass to get you a nice black hole ;)
Mass is irrelevant in the formation of a black hole, only density is required. It may not have enough mass to turn into a black hole by normal means of it merely drawing to the end of it's life, but the Sathanas juggernauts may have had the technology to force it into a black hole, even if it would not have done so by the end of its life.Ahhh you collapse stars and you get black holes. Cappella has enough mass to get you a nice black hole ;)
No it doesn't. It doesn't even apparently have enough mass to supernova. That's part of the point.
Mass is irrelevant in the formation of a black hole, only density is required. It may not have enough mass to turn into a black hole by normal means of it merely drawing to the end of it's life, but the Sathanas juggernauts may have had the technology to force it into a black hole, even if it would not have done so by the end of its life.
As I said, that's the point. It's not merely that Sathanas are big and scary towards other ships; en masse they can beat physics up with a metal bat.Ah, I see. I misinterpreted your post.
We had a sense that the Shivan fleet in FS1 was a scouting party—searching for stars suitable for blowing up and cleansing the space of biological life. The Shivan fleet in FS2 then came in to collapse the stars and open up the new nodes to Shivantown. Now what come through those nodes is anyone’s guess—perhaps factories that churned out new ships to continue the cycle. I felt that the Shivans were very, very old and had been at this for millions of years perhaps. Maybe they outlived their original purpose and were living out these endless loops of destruction and creation long after their creators had died off. Or maybe the master race was still alive and aware of what they had unleashed.
For FreeSpace 2, we had to work within tight constraints. We had to use most of the original FS1 assets, no action cutscenes, no new species and nothing massively ambitious.
Double post!Meh, no one seems to care anymore.
Burn the witch!
Ahhh you collapse stars and you get black holes. Cappella has enough mass to get you a nice black hole ;)
No it doesn't. It doesn't even apparently have enough mass to supernova. That's part of the point.
Imagine. Dyson spheres, closely to red dwarf suns, black structures that let reddish corona pass through, giant balloons of gas sucking up power. Black cities of habors, cables joining thousands of sathanas. In the void center, a black hole. Could be Cappella.
He didn't say Bosch was dead.But he kind of gave a hint that Bosch is now Carl's b****.
I present you with One Free Internet.So basically the Shivans are tasked with building the Galactic Autobahn and the GTVA is getting the short stick of eminent domain so they can put in a subspace bypass?
Everyone grab your towel.
I present you with One Free Internet.So basically the Shivans are tasked with building the Galactic Autobahn and the GTVA is getting the short stick of eminent domain so they can put in a subspace bypass?
Everyone grab your towel.
The true face of Terran Command:He doesn't actually look that different. Sure he has hair, but still.
(http://www.will.uiuc.edu/fm/images/rcoopr.jpg)
OK, :v-old: said The Lucifer Fleet was "A" scouting Party. Which to me means one of "THEM" So there could be more than one Scouting party of other Lucifer Fleets out there? Space is a BIG back Yard....So I'm guessing there should be more of these Scouting parties out there. :nod:
I would vision FS3 to be the GTVA building up and amassing a huge fleet after they reestablished contact with Earth and Earth it's self held a partial secret as Key in defeating the Shivans. A Mini SOC campaign (with old Snipes of course in charge) making the first intrusion into the inner Shivan Space and eventually discovering the Shivan Homeworld. You know what happens after that :yes:
The true face of Terran Command:
(http://www.will.uiuc.edu/fm/images/rcoopr.jpg)
OK, :v-old: said The Lucifer Fleet was "A" scouting Party.
we all die?
But I must say that (paradoxically) that I'm glad there'll be no Freespace 3 in foreseeable future. Firstly because Freespace 3 would probably be a copy of what we've already seen in Inferno, Blue Planet and other mods - reestablishing contact with Earth and another return of the Shivans - and then a counter offensive of the GTVA and attack on the Shivan home systems. And secondly - because Freespace 3 would stroke out a lot of campaigns, a lot of alternative stories of Post-Capella. It's a big advantage of Freespace 2 that there will always be a space for fan-made sequels of the FS2 storyline. And I can't see the point of changing that.... Lame.
Unfortunately, Shivans Fall Everyone Dies makes for poor game at best. FS3 would never have gone there.
It could have worked, as long as the illusion of hope existed until the last possible minute. It'd be something more akin to, "RocksShivans fall; make a reflex save to evade. That didn't work so well.... Make a fortitude save to resist the crushing weight of therocksShivans. ... It's a gruesome death."
No, it could not. No company of any repute would release a game that ended with such a "**** you, lol, it was all for nothing" to the player.
NWN 2 caught a crapload of heat for doing the Rocks Fall Everyone Dies after you saved the world. FS2 didn't even go that far; you saved the Terran and Vasudan races and you and your wingmates could quite possibly live to tell.
Your analysis of the FS2 plot makes little sense as well. There was no period of stalemate; the GTVA diverted its efforts to finishing off the NTF. The Shivans did not gradually reveal themselves; this is the inherent logistical issues of running a large empire via a system of jump nodes made manifest. Your conclusions are, at best, guilty of the sin of being easily interpreted a half-dozen other ways. Some of them, like analyzing FS2 as ending with everything going to hell and doooooom in the final mission, make absolutely no sense. The GTVA had a plan. It would have worked regardless of the scheduling of the Capella supernova as the Shivans showed no interest in pushing further.
That you cannot tell the difference between the total destruction of everything the player has been fighting for and its survival speaks very poorly of your ability to analyze a story.
Think of how much back-pedalling they did with regards to their objectives. "Ravana? Pfft. We'll bend that over and do horrible things to it! The nebula and everything beyond is ours!" Then that became, "Sathanas? Mayhap we should consider leaving well enough alone and let the Shivans keep the nebula [and everything beyond]." Then that became, "A Sathanas fleet?! Oh, Mister Shivan, you're welcome to have Gamma Draconis! And Capella too! If you add a side of Epsilon Pegasai, you can make it a combo meal. No? Just the Gamma Draconis and Capella, then? Right, your total is naught, because you're just going to take it all anyway.":lol:
all those other saths could have been in the nebula all along
NWN 2 caught a crapload of heat for doing the Rocks Fall Everyone Dies after you saved the world.
all those other saths could have been in the nebula all along
Very improbable. We see in the SOC mission that the sathana fleet is heading towards the nebula, slowly and relentlessly. They could have been in the nebula prior to that and then fell back towards other positions, but that kinda seems pointless and awkward...
all those other saths could have been in the nebula all along
Very improbable. We see in the SOC mission that the sathana fleet is heading towards the nebula, slowly and relentlessly. They could have been in the nebula prior to that and then fell back towards other positions, but that kinda seems pointless and awkward...
arbitrarily assigning a probability to this is irrelevant; there could have been X saths already in the nebula but very far away, or they could have all come out of the knossos past the binary star system, it doesn't matter, we don't know, it's whatever you need it to be to tell your story
the notion that all the saths come from the binary sath-clowncar knossos is probably most parsimonious, but only an idiot would pretend we have enough evidence to rule out all other possibilities (like a bunch of them already hanging in the nebula; the one that took out the psamtik seems to have maybe arrived after a number of other saths had)
Quotethe notion that all the saths come from the binary sath-clowncar knossos is probably most parsimonious, but only an idiot would pretend we have enough evidence to rule out all other possibilities (like a bunch of them already hanging in the nebula; the one that took out the psamtik seems to have maybe arrived after a number of other saths had)
I seem to be at a loss to find anyone who pretended to have just that. But I guess everything is possible...
The true face of Terran Command:
(http://www.will.uiuc.edu/fm/images/rcoopr.jpg)
maybe, but i'm not sure that means they shouldn't
maybe, or maybe you didn't do anything of note
i think his analysis and yours are pretty much equally evidenced,
when the difference between that survival and destruction is left up to the decisions of the shivans i'm not sure it's meaningfully different
I found this node map some time back, perhaps was for FS3:
http://i.imgur.com/7Ls9Z.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/7Ls9Z.jpg)
You can see ShivanTown! ;7
I found this node map some time back, perhaps was for FS3:
http://i.imgur.com/7Ls9Z.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/7Ls9Z.jpg)
You can see ShivanTown! ;7
That's obviously a fanmade map since it includes fanmade systems like Tania Australius
My understanding is that they made stuff up as they went along, and not even they know the answers to the fanbase's questions. :p
I found this node map some time back, perhaps was for FS3:
http://i.imgur.com/7Ls9Z.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/7Ls9Z.jpg)
You can see ShivanTown! ;7
That's obviously a fanmade map since it includes fanmade systems like Tania Australius
there weren't enough gargants in this post
My understanding is that they made stuff up as they went along, and not even they know the answers to the fanbase's questions. :p
Well, look, you were wrong. Isn't that nice.
My understanding is that they made stuff up as they went along, and not even they know the answers to the fanbase's questions. :p
Well, look, you were wrong. Isn't that nice.
No... I meant that's the vibe I got from this. Or at any rate, he doesn't fully know.
My understanding is that they made stuff up as they went along, and not even they know the answers to the fanbase's questions. :p
Well, look, you were wrong. Isn't that nice.
No... I meant that's the vibe I got from this. Or at any rate, he doesn't fully know.
What he told us was a hell of a lot more concrete than the answers most creative firms have for their big questions - Lost and BSG, for instance.
My understanding is that they made stuff up as they went along, and not even they know the answers to the fanbase's questions. :p
Well, look, you were wrong. Isn't that nice.
No... I meant that's the vibe I got from this. Or at any rate, he doesn't fully know.
What he told us was a hell of a lot more concrete than the answers most creative firms have for their big questions - Lost and BSG, for instance.
Translation: "It's better than zero"
I found this node map some time back, perhaps was for FS3:Nah. As I understand it, the Sath fleets blow up stars to make jump nodes to Shivantown. Therefore, Capella and the Guari Nebula (as it's called in the pic) should each contain a node linking to the same place, which would be Shivantown. But they don't. Still a nice map, though. I think I'll hold on to it, thanks.
http://i.imgur.com/7Ls9Z.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/7Ls9Z.jpg)
You can see ShivanTown! ;7
My understanding is that they made stuff up as they went along, and not even they know the answers to the fanbase's questions. :p
Well, look, you were wrong. Isn't that nice.
No... I meant that's the vibe I got from this. Or at any rate, he doesn't fully know.
What he told us was a hell of a lot more concrete than the answers most creative firms have for their big questions - Lost and BSG, for instance.
Translation: "It's better than zero"
Botched translation. Correction - these are genuinely solid, revealing answers that speak to the quality of Volition's storytelling and generally live up to years of expectation.
The guy answering the questions is the lead writer.
If he "guesses" things, that means that if FS3 was made, that's the direction he'd take it in, barring any changes to the plot for gameplay purposes or whatnot. If he has the power to act upon his "guesses" by writing the real thing, they're not ****ing guesses. You don't "guess" at where you want to take your story, because if you're the author, you are the god of your story's universe - you dictate everything, your guesses are truth.
There is no full story outline with every single major event, every mission laid out for a game that was never made, a story never written. There are vague ideas. He gave us all of that. That's more than we could ask for, you shouldn't expect any more.
Yes, just from FS2 there is ambiguity, and that is a good thing, but this information doesn't bind you to anything - you can still write your stupid story about the Shivans blowing up Capella to harvest gasses from a nebula and forming a Terran-Shivan alliance with Bosch and fighting a Shivan Civil war - these statements don't change the validity of even that ridiculous story. All this does is provide insight to what FS3 may have been, had it been made...yay for self jab
I dunno, maybe he got turned into some transhumanist cyborg cliche.
The guy answering the questions is the lead writer.
If he "guesses" things, that means that if FS3 was made, that's the direction he'd take it in, barring any changes to the plot for gameplay purposes or whatnot. If he has the power to act upon his "guesses" by writing the real thing, they're not ****ing guesses. You don't "guess" at where you want to take your story, because if you're the author, you are the god of your story's universe - you dictate everything, your guesses are truth.
There is no full story outline with every single major event, every mission laid out for a game that was never made, a story never written. There are vague ideas. He gave us all of that. That's more than we could ask for, you shouldn't expect any more.
Yes, just from FS2 there is ambiguity, and that is a good thing, but this information doesn't bind you to anything - you can still write your stupid story about the Shivans blowing up Capella to harvest gasses from a nebula and forming a Terran-Shivan alliance with Bosch and fighting a Shivan Civil war - these statements don't change the validity of even that ridiculous story. All this does is provide insight to what FS3 may have been, had it been made...yay for self jab
The guy answering the questions is the lead writer.
If he "guesses" things, that means that if FS3 was made, that's the direction he'd take it in, barring any changes to the plot for gameplay purposes or whatnot. If he has the power to act upon his "guesses" by writing the real thing, they're not ****ing guesses. You don't "guess" at where you want to take your story, because if you're the author, you are the god of your story's universe - you dictate everything, your guesses are truth.
Glad he cleared up some of the things definitively to you guys.
Some of us, of course, knew all of this beforehand (and actually know a bit more).
Good job Bat.
(and actually know a bit more).where are the puppies
Glad he cleared up some of the things definitively to you guys.So can you tell us when Blackwater operations will be released?
Some of us, of course, knew all of this beforehand (and actually know a bit more).
I found this node map some time back, perhaps was for FS3:
http://i.imgur.com/7Ls9Z.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/7Ls9Z.jpg)
You can see ShivanTown! ;7
That map actually belongs to the Behind Enemy Lines campaign.
Which had its last update, what, eleven years ago?
Stop splitting this, Christ.
hrm should i sticky this
Well, well, well.
Most interesting indeed.
So, how does collapsing a star make a jump node? I though nodes required a star's gravity well to exist?
Well, well, well.
Most interesting indeed.
So, how does collapsing a star make a jump node? I though nodes required a star's gravity well to exist?
Or a body of sufficent mass. :-)
I think the remnants of a supernova (ie. a black hole or neutron star) should suffice.
Hmmm...
They're not as mysterious as I thought. These seemingly were merely the "raw" ingredients and not the final plans for FS3 or the final answer to the Shivans' existence, so can they be considered canon facts?
...so the Shivans are simply super-Ancients. Amusing...
...but apparently less interesting. :blah:
Still, what happens to Bosch remains unanswered. :sigh:
Mind if I ask who had been interviewed?
Glad he cleared up some of the things definitively to you guys.
Some of us, of course, knew all of this beforehand (and actually know a bit more).
Good job Bat.
well don't be a tease
Cool.
You know. It's nice and all, but imagine how cool job it must be a Shivan Nodebuilder/destroyer. All the Shivan kids want to be one.
- "Hey kid, what do you want to be when you grow up?"
- "I want to be a Nodebuilder!"
- "How so?"
- "Because I get to blow up planets and stars!"
Great except that you also blow up yourself
Hmm...hope he really intends to develop the plot for FS3...
your posts are terrible.
I don't believe that's on the table.
I think at best we can convince the Shivans we're too much trouble to wipe out.
I don't believe that's on the table.
I think at best we can convince the Shivans we're too much trouble to wipe out.
You're being pessimistic.
Think different.
Think big.
Think Gargant...
Yes, the GTVA needs to capture a Gargant and ram it into the Shivan home base!Okay you can go make SGWPIII
I don't believe that's on the table.
I think at best we can convince the Shivans we're too much trouble to wipe out.
You're being pessimistic.
Think different.
Think big.
Think Gargant...
Yes, the GTVA needs to capture a Gargant and ram it into the Shivan home base!
:blah:
Think different.
Think big.
Think Gargant...
I could accept some sort of "perpetual war" scenario, where the GTVA gets some kind of effective Sath killing tech (maybe a sniper beam or something that can quickly eliminate those turrets), and just holds their own against Shivan attacks every thirty odd years.
(1) the terrudans will kill each other
(2) shivans will kill terrudans
, (3) terrudans evolve beyond shivans and tame shivans
(4) terrudans kill shivantown
(5) all the three species go extinct by themselves or in the midst of a war between them
(6) a fourth species comes and wipes all the other three out
(7) some environmental disaster ends the conflict
(8) the universe ends in a nanosecond without notice.
I don't think Volition would have been dumb enough to pull the whole 'ancient benevolent race' thing.
I don't think Volition would have been dumb enough to pull the whole 'ancient benevolent race' thing.
Deus Ex Machina..
God comes down and removes Shivans from existance.
Then the Rapture begins...
Gentleman, we have a winner.Trashman isn't Charlie Sheen...
I could accept some sort of "perpetual war" scenario, where the GTVA gets some kind of effective Sath killing tech (maybe a sniper beam or something that can quickly eliminate those turrets), and just holds their own against Shivan attacks every thirty odd years.
And Marcov I hope you understand that there is no FreeSpace 3 in the works.
Well, it ended up being yet another debate session, but at least Battuta's "Get out." had a tone of finality in it, for once. :p
I just had a thought, though. If the Shivans blow up Capella to create new jump nodes to "Shivantown", where will these nodes be? If they are in Capella, how would the Alliance get to them, seeing as they have already severed all jump nodes connecting Capella to systems in Allied space?
Spoiler:What, sending the Nyarlathotep through a subspace corridor and getting the Alliance to drag it into Allied space?
I just had a thought, though. If the Shivans blow up Capella to create new jump nodes to "Shivantown", where will these nodes be? If they are in Capella, how would the Alliance get to them, seeing as they have already severed all jump nodes connecting Capella to systems in Allied space?
Spoiler:Shivans = mankind from the future
that's right, shivan town =Spoiler:earth
it's all because subspace is actually secretelySpoiler:a form of time travel so the shivans could asplode cappella and go forward in time to tell the humans that evolved into shivans to go back in time to cut off the link to earth so those humans could evolve into shivans so they could asplode cappella
DUN DUN
Bi-Winning!Spoiler:Shivans = mankind from the future
that's right, shivan town =Spoiler:earth
it's all because subspace is actually secretelySpoiler:a form of time travel so the shivans could asplode cappella and go forward in time to tell the humans that evolved into shivans to go back in time to cut off the link to earth so those humans could evolve into shivans so they could asplode cappella
DUN DUN
Spoiler:Shivans = mankind from the future
that's right, shivan town =Spoiler:earth
it's all because subspace is actually secretelySpoiler:a form of time travel so the shivans could asplode cappella and go forward in time to tell the humans that evolved into shivans to go back in time to cut off the link to earth so those humans could evolve into shivans so they could asplode cappella
DUN DUN
Spoiler:Shivans = mankind from the future
that's right, shivan town =Spoiler:earth
it's all because subspace is actually secretelySpoiler:a form of time travel so the shivans could asplode cappella and go forward in time to tell the humans that evolved into shivans to go back in time to cut off the link to earth so those humans could evolve into shivans so they could asplode cappella
DUN DUN
He calls it filler? I thought the NTF part was good filler.Filler can be good. :P
I feel pretty content with FS2's ending. Aside from the NTF storyline, which without any resolution, was just filler which he basically admitted.
In fact, the Second Shivan Incursion happened because the NTF turned on the Knossos at Gamma Dracs and sent the Trinity in to look around, didn't it? If the NTF didn't turn on the Knossos, the Shivans might have left the Terrans and Vasudans alone.
Kinda off topic, but where did the Shivans come from originally in FS1? They just "Showed up." I never understood where they came from.
Kinda off topic, but where did the Shivans come from originally in FS1? They just "Showed up." I never understood where they came from.
They came out of nowhere and started killing everybody.
Kinda off topic, but where did the Shivans come from originally in FS1? They just "Showed up." I never understood where they came from.
They came out of nowhere and started killing everybody.
They had these death black ships and the flew like something, and their weapons were too much
Kinda off topic, but where did the Shivans come from originally in FS1? They just "Showed up." I never understood where they came from.
They came out of nowhere and started killing everybody.
They had these death black ships and the flew like something, and their weapons were too much
they wasted everybody
I know they're following me! Send everything you have now!Kinda off topic, but where did the Shivans come from originally in FS1? They just "Showed up." I never understood where they came from.
They came out of nowhere and started killing everybody.
They had these death black ships and the flew like something, and their weapons were too much
they wasted everybody
Send fighters
Jeeze dude, there's noone in scope. Chill out, it'll be A1-supar.
Curious: How many of you are actually taking the FS3ish type stuff as canon material? IMHO it's all really interesting to see what was planned, but to be honest using this stuff as more than a "so that's what would've happened in FS3" seems silly.
Not really. Can't remember where I saw it but I remember someone talking about how their campaign is technically confirmed, judging by the contents of the interview. I forget the exact words, but I found it disconcerting nonetheless. Still, it's not like Jason Scott's going back and saying things like "by the way terran command is gay," so it's no big deal; I was just wondering if anyone was giving special credence to campaigns that manage to not conflict.
No, Jesus, people keep thinking this and I have no idea why.
People whine and *****ed in the leadup to the interview that some campaigns would be ruled out because they wouldn't mesh with the information revealed. So I posted a leadin indicating that it didn't contradict any campaign I was aware of. People then freaked out because people are by nature whimperingly territorial. People take their ten-year-old space opera so seriously that they're looking for an excuse to defecate a steaming mess of drama at the slightest prod, thus any event of significance is inevitably an opening for moaning and crying.
Anyone who feels like some campaigns are now better than others is a ****ing mongoloid.
So basically the Shivans are tasked with building the Galactic Autobahn and the GTVA is getting the short stick of eminent domain so they can put in a subspace bypass?
Everyone grab your towel.
This interview doesn't mean anything towards validating or invalidating any campaign out there.
I'll say this, "Volition credibility" might not have been the words I would have used, since it does seem to imply some sort of :v: stamp of approval for certain campaigns.
...Glad he cleared up some of the things definitively to you guys.
Some of us, of course, knew all of this beforehand (and actually know a bit more).
Good job Bat.
well don't be a tease
Throughout the years discussing different ideas with the community, you sort of find out that people in general aren't interested in what makes sense, just that their own interpretation and deduction be correct, ie "No, it's the way I envision it to be". And as I would never be able to directly state "it's like this, this and this", anything I say just passes off as my own opinion, and I never expose the weight of what I know behind them. I've carried many people's secrets throughout these past 13 years, and have no intention of ever breaking the seal on any of them. Neither am I interested in shopping my opinions as being correct either. They're still just opinions, although perhaps with a little more information behind them than most have access to.
...
Again, kudos on the job.
First off, good job on the interview. Thought about doing exactly this myself a couple months ago on a whim, but never got around to it....Glad he cleared up some of the things definitively to you guys.
Some of us, of course, knew all of this beforehand (and actually know a bit more).
Good job Bat.
well don't be a tease
Throughout the years discussing different ideas with the community, you sort of find out that people in general aren't interested in what makes sense, just that their own interpretation and deduction be correct, ie "No, it's the way I envision it to be". And as I would never be able to directly state "it's like this, this and this", anything I say just passes off as my own opinion, and I never expose the weight of what I know behind them. I've carried many people's secrets throughout these past 13 years, and have no intention of ever breaking the seal on any of them. Neither am I interested in shopping my opinions as being correct either. They're still just opinions, although perhaps with a little more information behind them than most have access to.
...
Again, kudos on the job.
Best post in the thread.
The take-away point from this interview, and from the "cliffhanger" of FS2 and the modding tools delivered to the community, has been creativity. It's not about getting the "right" answer to the FS2 riddle in your campaign. The perhaps unintentional "gift" of the FS franchise to its fans has been that of creativity fueled by wonder. Aside from a less mediocre profit on the game, and greater franchise deals for the series, I can't think of a better legacy Volition could have earned delivering the product they did.
Try thinking about it that way, even putting it in the context of other aspects of your lives next time you log off the forums and go to the kitchen for something to eat, take a shower, or drive to work. I guarantee you'll benefit more from it than you will from telling some newbie on the forum his new project idea sucks because it doesn't line up with what Pletcher or Scott or Kulas had in mind.
I hope they DO go for FS3 "Shivantown" and admit mods like BluePlanet into the game's canon.
I hope someone will make a mod based on the FS3 ideasDo you want the Gargant included too? :P
Thanks General, and it's ok Luis.
Only reason I say what I said is that on the freespace wiki page, it claims that blue planet and other mods are "not canon". I'm saying a simple statement from Volition could make it the case. As far as I'm concerned it might as well be (given the amount of work that's gone into it), but officiality is always a happy thing.
There's a Polish version of AoA that will be available in Poland soon.
Considering the quality of Polish FS2 translation (Godspeed as "Good Speed"? In such a moment? Completely deadpan? Seriously.), there's a chance that "unpolished" wouldn't do it justice. :)There's a Polish version of AoA that will be available in Poland soon.
But it probably won't be polished.
Dohohoho :lol: :pThere's a Polish version of AoA that will be available in Poland soon.
But it probably won't be polished.
There's a Polish version of AoA that will be available in Poland soon.
But it probably won't be polished.
I want WoD to become FS3, simply to watch the heads explode.+1
I hope someone will make a mod based on the FS3 ideasDo you want the Gargant included too? :P
JESUS HARLENMEYER CHRIST JUST DO IT
I had WoD downloaded, but all I get is blackness where the main screen is supposed to be. Says I'm missing a file but it makes no sense for them to package their mod without their main screen.
I want WoD to become FS3, simply to watch the heads explode.+1
Some of us who were around while the developers actually played the game (having played squadwars and matches with them) picked up masses of stuff from them. Though many of the things they told us were in confidence, but even as such, hypothetical anyway (general directions, they didn't have much of the stuff bolted down either).
Throughout the years discussing different ideas with the community, you sort of find out that people in general aren't interested in what makes sense, just that their own interpretation and deduction be correct, ie "No, it's the way I envision it to be". And as I would never be able to directly state "it's like this, this and this", anything I say just passes off as my own opinion, and I never expose the weight of what I know behind them. I've carried many people's secrets throughout these past 13 years, and have no intention of ever breaking the seal on any of them. Neither am I interested in shopping my opinions as being correct either. They're still just opinions, although perhaps with a little more information behind them than most have access to.
But I'm glad he let the cat out of the bag on some of it (though he's pretty smart, he didn't really tell you much of anything vital - not that it matters anyway, because if they ever got to the point where they'd create an FS3, it would be entirely different than what was envisioned all those years ago [think franchise reboot, new staff members, wholly new ideas from the new members, etc.]), so that you guys can get some general direction. It means more when you can show it comes from the horses mouth.
It were (more or less) the ones who wrote the amazing Reapers in Mass Effect 1 that brought us the starkid in ME3.
And I also agree about the deification of the original authorial intent. I think we've got more interesting Shivan answers than V by this point, and the whole Shivantown storyline seems to me like it misses the point of FS2.Well, it seems to prove my suspicion that we gave :v: and FS2 way too much credit. :) I'm not really sure if they themselves seen even half of those meanings and such the community found in FS2 over all these years...
And I also agree about the deification of the original authorial intent. I think we've got more interesting Shivan answers than V by this point, and the whole Shivantown storyline seems to me like it misses the point of FS2.Well, it seems to prove my suspicion that we gave :v: and FS2 way too much credit. :)
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And remember: even what seems to be a weird, bad or boring script at first can turn into something awesome with the proper execution.Quoted for Truth.
See: BP1. I mean, sent into an alternate universe and saved by mind-reading superentities? What is this, the plot of a bad Star Trek episode?