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Title: OT - Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast
Post by: NeoHunter on May 11, 2002, 02:26:46 am: I recently started playing Jedi Outcast. After playing the first few missions and some of the multiplayer games with Bots, I was wondering how to play with lightsaber. For example, how does one keep blocking/deflecting the enemy's lightsaber attacks? Is there a limit to how much a Jedi can block/deflect?

On a personal note, I just want to say that the CG cutscenes are great except those with the characters talking and all. They suck!!! Command & Conquer Renegade characters are much better!!! Sakura rocks!! Yub yub!!:ha:
Title: Re: OT - Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast
Post by: Razor on May 11, 2002, 05:20:04 am: Quote
Originally posted by NeoHunter
I recently started playing Jedi Outcast. After playing the first few missions and some of the multiplayer games with Bots, I was wondering how to play with lightsaber. For example, how does one keep blocking/deflecting the enemy's lightsaber attacks? Is there a limit to how much a Jedi can block/deflect?

On a personal note, I just want to say that the CG cutscenes are great except those with the characters talking and all. They suck!!! Command & Conquer Renegade characters are much better!!! Sakura rocks!! Yub yub!!:ha:

I have just played the DEMO and I found out that in order to block enemy fire and other lightsabers you have to put the saber in a right position or swing it right. You will notice in the bottom right corner that there is a MANA meter ( Force power) and weapon display. There is a bow above the weapon display. If you use the lightsaber and press L (at least it is on my mashine) and notice that the bow turns yellow, you will have a lot better lightsaber moves. Well it needs practice :nod:, but once you learn how to use it, you will have lots of fun. Hey don't forget the saber throw ;) ( right mouse button)

I don't think that there is limit in blocking.

Hope these tips will help you out. :)
Title: OT - Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast
Post by: NeoHunter on May 11, 2002, 05:25:19 am: I see. I was wondering what the "L" button was for. But I didn't see much difference. Maybe I should try again. Thanks for the tip anyway.
Title: OT - Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast
Post by: Kellan on May 11, 2002, 05:50:06 am: If you've got 'Saber Defence' and you just hold still, Kyle should automatically deflect most laser bolts.
Title: OT - Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast
Post by: Razor on May 11, 2002, 03:30:10 pm: Quote
Originally posted by NeoHunter
I see. I was wondering what the "L" button was for. But I didn't see much difference. Maybe I should try again. Thanks for the tip anyway.

No prob. :wink: Any time! :nod:
Title: OT - Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast
Post by: vadar_1 on May 11, 2002, 04:11:37 pm: Well since in the demo you start out with the lightsabre.... I dont think I could live without it when I get the fullversion on monday... I mean you can basically deflect anything they throw at you... the only part I had a hard time with was that enemy jedi in the hanger... out of the 50 or so times ive played him... i maybe won 10 of those....

"I thought it would be more difficult"... i hate when he says that.
Title: OT - Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast
Post by: Ace on May 11, 2002, 04:19:25 pm: On a personal note, I just want to say that the CG cutscenes are great except those with the characters talking and all. They suck!!! Command & Conquer Renegade characters are much better!!! Sakura rocks!! Yub yub!!

That's because the cutscenes are done in the game engine, unlike Renegade where they use edited game models for those scenes. Now why they just didn't use the actual engine in Renegade or have high-poly models I don't know.
Title: Re: OT - Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast
Post by: vadar_1 on May 11, 2002, 04:21:32 pm: Quote
Originally posted by NeoHunter

On a personal note, I just want to say that the CG cutscenes are great except those with the characters talking and all. They suck!!! Command & Conquer Renegade characters are much better!!! Sakura rocks!! Yub yub!!:ha:

Id like to add that yes, Lucas screwed up the ingame cutscenes... good thing Homeworld came way before JK... HW showed us ingame cutscenes can be good.... if not ****ed up like in JK.
Title: OT - Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast
Post by: Kellan on May 11, 2002, 06:06:18 pm: If you want to make lightsaber duelling ridiculously easy, try
Spoiler:
using force speed whilst duelling. Unfortunately, that particular aspect of the game isn't fantastically well-balanced, so as a result I was able to beat Desann first time.
Title: OT - Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast
Post by: NeoHunter on May 11, 2002, 06:41:00 pm: Quote

Originally posted by Kellan:

If you want to make lightsaber duelling ridiculously easy, try
Spoiler:
using force speed whilst duelling. Unfortunately, that particular aspect of the game isn't fantastically well-balanced, so as a result I was able to beat Desann first time.[/B]

Force speed?! I thought that Force power only makes you run faster. What has it got to do with lightsaber dueling? Please explain because your tip is making me very curious.

I also noticed there is a weapon which Jedis cannot or have a hard time blocking/deflecting. Something like a sniper rifle. Disruptor I think. I'm not sure. Or is my Jedi not highly trained in the Force enough?:)
Title: OT - Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast
Post by: Zeronet on May 11, 2002, 06:43:29 pm: Force speed slows everything expect you down. Its not unbalanced just the end game boss is too easy, i find it simple without force speed.

EDIT: Oh and JK2 ROCKS!
Title: OT - Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast
Post by: Kellan on May 11, 2002, 06:49:00 pm: Tavion was harder to beat than Desann. :D

And yes, you can't block disruptor shots as far as I can tell. Just use a disruptor on them first. ;)
Title: OT - Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast
Post by: NeoHunter on May 11, 2002, 06:51:26 pm: Oh I see. So its actually the opposite of what I thought Foprce Speed does.:p

Oh yeah. I still can't beat the computer in lightsaber dueling. I mean, when the computer opponent strikes the first time, I can block it. Then the computer follows it up with another strike and he kills me. I thought I can block unlimited times?! Why is this happening?
Title: OT - Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast
Post by: Ace on May 11, 2002, 09:41:04 pm: In multiplayer force vision when turned on lets you use force speed to dodge disruptor fire.

In singleplayer you automatically use force speed to dodge when shot at if you're not attacking (like a passive saber block) same works with the enemy.

What's fun is throwing missiles back at people with force push ;)
Title: OT - Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast
Post by: JR2000Z on May 12, 2002, 12:08:55 am: Quote
Originally posted by Kellan
Tavion was harder to beat than Desann. :D

That is somehow true.
Title: OT - Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast
Post by: TurboNed on May 12, 2002, 02:09:18 am: Quote
Originally posted by NeoHunter
Oh I see. So its actually the opposite of what I thought Foprce Speed does.:p

Oh yeah. I still can't beat the computer in lightsaber dueling. I mean, when the computer opponent strikes the first time, I can block it. Then the computer follows it up with another strike and he kills me. I thought I can block unlimited times?! Why is this happening?

Force Speed in single player keeps you at the same speed (roughly) while slowing down the rest of the world. The net result is that you have more time to react to things happening - it's as if you were sped up. If it simply made you move faster, all it would accomplish is getting you from point a to point b faster, but it wouldn't help the player to react to the world any better. Unfortunately, the only good way to implement force speed in multiplayer is to do just that - speed up the player (after all, you can imagine what kind of havoc it would wreak on player-synch if the world slowed down for one player while running at full speed for another. [grin]).

Secondly, your blocking ability is based on how many points you have in the skill of Saber Defense. There is no "limit," per se - but you'll miss some attacks when you're below 3 points in Saber D. Also, it helps A LOT to be facing directly into the attack when it comes. The more points you have in Saber D, the more you can face away from an incoming attack and still be protected, but facing the attack is always helpful.

Nextly, dodging the sniper disruptor blasts can be easily accomplished by having 3 points in Force Seeing and using it. Whilst Force Seeing is active, you will have a danger sense that will allow your character to automatically dodge incoming sniper shots - no deflection necessary. I have yet to actually see this in action (I rarely put points into Force Seeing), but that's what the manual says.

And finally, there are three "stances" of lightsaber combat, affected by pressing the "L" key (default binding - I also bound it to my middle mouse-button). The blue stance is the "fast" stance. While in that stance, you can make very quick, close, weak attacks. The range is short, the power isn't there, but you can pound mercilessly (think Luke right before and as he cut off Vader's hand in RotJ. Well, not exactly, but kinda like that. Ish. Sorta.). The "yellow" or standard or medium combat stance is just that - it gives you medium range, medium power, and medium speed. I think there's a cap to the number of moves you can chain together too. Thirdly is the "red" or slow stance. It gives you extreme range, excellent power (some are one shot kills), but at a sacrifice of speed. Also, while you're attacking, you're wide open to take a hit. You have a long windup and a very long follow-through, but if you can connect, you do serious damage. Fighting on the power stance requires extreme skill.

I hope this clears up any and all remaining questions? (-:

Beware [MoC] TurboNed. [grin]

--TurboNed
Title: OT - Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast
Post by: Kellan on May 12, 2002, 02:38:22 am: Quote
Originally posted by Ace
What's fun is throwing missiles back at people with force push ;)

Muwahaha....conventional weapons can't hurt me... ;7

:wakka:
Title: OT - Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast
Post by: Fineus on May 12, 2002, 03:52:36 am: Quote
Originally posted by Kellan
Tavion was harder to beat than Desann. :D

Yeah, I got that - probably something to do with Force Speed or something... that and with me she had an annoying habit of using Force Lightning over any other move...
Title: OT - Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast
Post by: Kellan on May 12, 2002, 04:06:37 am: Plus your force powers were much weaker then, and there's no massive power-up like that laser beam thingy at the end on Yavin.