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Hosted Projects - FS2 Required => Blue Planet => Topic started by: Drogoth on April 13, 2011, 01:37:08 am
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So, I loved WiH, finished playing through it for the billionth time today...
But just like the first time.. I still want the GTVA to win.
Am I like, the worst kind of person? I get the sense I'm supposed to be rooting for the UEF
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Given that the narrative is ambiguous on purpose, no, that's quite normal.
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Yes, yes you are a horrible person.
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I'm a horrible person too because I support the Galactic Terran-Vasudan Alliance. I know how you feel Drogoth, haha.
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The narrative is supposed to provide both sides with humanity, sympathy, and a reason to fight.
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The narrative is supposed to provide both sides with humanity, sympathy, and a reason to fight.
From a strategic perspective, I understand this.
From a more practical note, however, I'm wondering a bit about the GTVA's execution of its decision to war. Even in the earliest stages of the plan, with the 14th's planned maneuvers, the aim was clearly to force any issue from the barrel of a gun (Err...focus of a plasma beam). The Elder's were clearly in a talking mood and had gone out of their way to set the stage for negotiations. While Ubuntu may be seen by the GTVA as a long term economic threat, in the short term there was a real possibility of negotiating a staged transition between the two systems. If the talks didn't work out, the GTVA could eventually resort to force if needed. Instead, they jumped the gun, literally. I think that says something about them.
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I for one justify GTVA's goal, simply because any fraction was terminated as well, why should SOL be given an exception. They aren't even in distress, they live happily. The only thing they did wrong was the initial attack. They came, yelling "surrender", while they should have asked if the system will accept the GTVA without a fight, and fire the gun only if given negative answer. Howgh
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I for one justify GTVA's goal, simply because any fraction was terminated as well, why should SOL be given an exception. They aren't even in distress, they live happily. The only thing they did wrong was the initial attack. They came, yelling "surrender", while they should have asked if the system will accept the GTVA without a fight, and fire the gun only if given negative answer. Howgh
Yeah, because asking a sovereign state to give up its independence is such a good move.
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I for one justify GTVA's goal, simply because any fraction was terminated as well, why should SOL be given an exception. They aren't even in distress, they live happily. The only thing they did wrong was the initial attack. They came, yelling "surrender", while they should have asked if the system will accept the GTVA without a fight, and fire the gun only if given negative answer. Howgh
Sol wasn't a part of the GTVA from the beginning. The GTA/GTVA dealt with the NTF/Regulus Syndicate/Antares Federation uprisings because they were parts of the GTVA that had declared independence. The UEF was a government separated from the GTVA for decades.
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Another round! Encore!
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So, I loved WiH, finished playing through it for the billionth time today...
But just like the first time.. I still want the GTVA to win.
Am I like, the worst kind of person? I get the sense I'm supposed to be rooting for the UEF
You are a good person and I like you.
Yes, yes you are a horrible person.
Boooo, go away feddie!
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I find myself lurking for no one.
GTVA are lying, amoral, psychotic bastards, and feds are not-so-pacifistic-but-pretending-to-be hippy new age lazy naive fools.
**** them both. Can't wait for shivan fleet to arrive and just wipe this garbage out of the galactic floor.
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While I'm closer to a 'Buntu' personally, I can imagine the GTVA's reaction. Imagine your nation has been under attack twice and you barely survived. Now, a great and potential ally is telling you to hold hands and trust on the greater beings of the cosmos and reaching into your spiritual self while you'd hope they're ready to aid you in battle. Since you can't get them to help you, you can instead steal their war machines, resources and manpower to still have a large increase in effectiveness the next time this enemy attacks you.
Ofcourse one wonders if it wouldn't have been a more wise move to have a treaty with the UEF, which have resulted into not only sharing technologies but also probably proving to the Vasudans that humankind is more mature than expected. In turn the UEF would probably have accepted the GTVA, finding it's alliance inspiring and a good example. The UEF has proven that regardless of the Ubuntu philosophy, their fleets stand strong. It seems the GT(V)A has become very pragmatic and (almost) paranoid.
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hippy new age lazy naive fools.
Yeah, that society built on the constant expansion of industry, technology and exploration is pretty lazy.
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hippy new age lazy naive fools.
Yeah, that society built on the constant expansion of industry, technology and exploration is pretty lazy.
That's just how I feel, it wasn't a "rational" debunking. I agree that there's an incompatibility between what I feel as "lazy" and their massive industrial output. But that part I can blame on the writers :lol:
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I guess the reason I support the GTVA would be that I have doubt's not about Ubuntu's resolve to fight the shivans, but the very fact that building destroyers is highly controversial prior to the GTVA's arrival in Sol makes me doubt that the GTVA would have the strength to even have a chance at survival if Ubuntu were allowed to spread. Which I guess is where the Security Council is coming from in their invasion.
Good to know that I'm not the only one who supports the Tevs though lol, I remember in the mission where you attack e Carthage I was so raged thinking I was going to destroy it.... and super hyped when the attack failed haha
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I guess the reason I support the GTVA would be that I have doubt's not about Ubuntu's resolve to fight the shivans, but the very fact that building destroyers is highly controversial prior to the GTVA's arrival in Sol makes me doubt that the GTVA would have the strength to even have a chance at survival if Ubuntu were allowed to spread. Which I guess is where the Security Council is coming from in their invasion.
Destroyers were controversial because in pre-WiH Sol, they weren't needed. After or during WiH, the situation is a bit different, just as the situation would be different if the UEF had to administrate a territory the size of the GTVA. You are making the same mistake several other people have made, namely assuming that the UEF would make exactly the same choices it could make in Sol when it would have to deal with the same situation the GTVA deals with.
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I understand the GTVA's motivations, especially considering their whole reason for still existing is built around the fear of some (very real) cosmic bogeymen, but I feel they jumped the gun with this war, no matter how much the situation was FUBAR'd following the 14th's little inter-universal jaunt.
I suppose I support the UEF more simply because it's them having their homes invaded, and you see this from their perspective during the campaign. As far as looking at the big picture behind both Governments... I dunno. The GTVA is easy to understand, but the UEF, being based around what strikes me as Scientific Mysticism with a bit of Gandhi thrown in for the hell of it , yet also having an incredible industrial base and enormous productivity, seems like it could be a massively dangerous force if there was ever a shift towards more war-oriented policies. It's a bit creepy when I think about it.
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I guess the reason I support the GTVA would be that I have doubt's not about Ubuntu's resolve to fight the shivans, but the very fact that building destroyers is highly controversial prior to the GTVA's arrival in Sol makes me doubt that the GTVA would have the strength to even have a chance at survival if Ubuntu were allowed to spread. Which I guess is where the Security Council is coming from in their invasion.
Destroyers were controversial because in pre-WiH Sol, they weren't needed. After or during WiH, the situation is a bit different, just as the situation would be different if the UEF had to administrate a territory the size of the GTVA. You are making the same mistake several other people have made, namely assuming that the UEF would make exactly the same choices it could make in Sol when it would have to deal with the same situation the GTVA deals with.
Given the fact they they built destroyers at all, one could make that case that the UEF were rather overprepared and overequipped for their role. They certainly didn't need the firepower of 3 fleets to hold the line against Gefs.
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While the node remained closed for 50 years, some people in power still believed it was possible the Shivans might rebuild them again. Due to the long time this didn't happen, the ones believing in Sols savety far outnumbered the "pessimists", but they obviously were able to get a few contingencies build even against the majority and public opinion.
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Yes, yes you are a horrible person.
He is!!! :)
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I understand the GTVA's motivations, especially considering their whole reason for still existing is built around the fear of some (very real) cosmic bogeymen, but I feel they jumped the gun with this war, no matter how much the situation was FUBAR'd following the 14th's little inter-universal jaunt.
Technically speaking it was the Renjian that jumped the gun by firing at the 14th instead of surrendering like good little Buntu. :)
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But it was not a buntu ship...it was from third fleet...
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Technically speaking it was the Renjian that jumped the gun by firing at the 14th instead of surrendering like good little Buntu. :)
After the Orestes declared Hostile Intent. And after the UEF found GTVA probes filled with ELINT gear. It was pretty obvious what they were planning from the start.
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The Renjian clearly didn't think things through. HURF DURF I ATTACK A FLEET BY MYSELF!!!!!!!!1!!!11!one WHAT COULD GO WRONG!!!?!/!/!//1/??/!/one1?/questionmark
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The Renjian clearly didn't think things through. HURF DURF I ATTACK A FLEET BY MYSELF!!!!!!!!1!!!11!one WHAT COULD GO WRONG!!!?!/!/!//1/??/!/one1?/questionmark
Captain thought they were about as heavily armed as his own ship, he was going to hold out until the reinforcements eventually arrived.
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A Karuna charging into a fleet of other Karunas doesn't last very long either...
It an hero'd.
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Yeah but he would've lasted a couple minutes, long enough for reinforcements (4 more frigates, apparently) to arrive.
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Better question - what the hell was the Renjian actually supposed to do? She just jumped, she wasn't exactly in a position to stall for time, and to top it off, Jovian Pride and all that (the Renjian was third fleet, right?)
Yes, all things considered, it wasn't wise charge a GTVA battlegroup, but they had no way of knowing what they were up against. I see no other alternatives that her captain would have entertained.
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Probably figured the GTVA ships had a bunch of blob turrets and was all :smug:
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I donno, I mean, I see five unknown destroyers (I don't know that two of them are logistics ships and the one is a sleeper ship! I just see five 2km+ ships), a bunch of corvettes and cruisers.
Really? A few minutes?
Probably figured the GTVA ships had a bunch of blob turrets and was all :smug:
Well, ok, if they only had blobs XD
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Well, the standard terran turret is not that good at intercepting torpedos and other stuff...
Presuming the Orestes etc had great war era weapons equiped...
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Also, the GTVA ships were pretty badly banged up, featuring a few holes from their breakthrough.
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Yeah, because asking a sovereign state to give up its independence is such a good move.
Well, in the FreeSpace universe, it always worked like this. The majority of terrans and vasudans decided for GTVA and declared it the supreme power in the explored space and enforce it as such. I think it's called democracy or something like that. If they don't want the GTVA, they should say so in the next elections.
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Yeah, because asking a sovereign state to give up its independence is such a good move.
Well, in the FreeSpace universe, it always worked like this. The majority of terrans and vasudans decided for GTVA and declared it the supreme power in the explored space and enforce it as such. I think it's called democracy or something like that. If they don't want the GTVA, they should say so in the next elections.
I don't think that makes sense. If the citizens of Canada voted to be ruled by the Canadian government in a democratic election, how would that make the Canadian government the supreme power of Mexico?
ED: And given that Sol probably had more Terrans in it than the rest of the GTVA during Reconstruction, why doesn't their majority rule hold by that reasoning?
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Waging a war of conquest against your species' homeworld is a monstrous thing.
At least that's what I was thinking while playing WiH.
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It's a war of desperation against the most imminent threat to all humanity: Ubuntu.
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The Renjian clearly didn't think things through. HURF DURF I ATTACK A FLEET BY MYSELF!!!!!!!!1!!!11!one WHAT COULD GO WRONG!!!?!/!/!//1/??/!/one1?/questionmark
This always baffled me as well. At the very least, the UEF should have had ships already at the node when the 14th jumped in; they saw the probes, knew they got in-system somehow, and really, there's nothing to suggest whether or not the UEF could have detected that the DS-Sol node was opened again, but considering that finding nodes HAS to be a prerequisite to using them in the first place (and I would find it difficult to believe that scientists in Sol weren't also working towards the goal of reopening the node and thus would have a presence on the site, most likely in the form of science cruisers or possibly even an installation)...well, I wondered why the UEF didn't scout through the node themselves.
They should have known someone was coming through, and in the face of uncertainty, the Renjian shoudl have been stationed there already. She could have then quickly escaped with the news of an invasion force (which, given the state of the 14th at the time, would have given the UEF forces enough time to either finish the 14th off or chase them out and blockade the node) instead of being forced of die because her jump drives were recharging.
Slightly more on-topic: OP, you are not a horrible person. I find that I identify with both groups. The GTVA isn't wrong when you see their viewpoint in the context of what they've been through. Really, the same could be said for the UEF.
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My impression is that the Renjian wasn't on station for reasons that might well seem shockingly naive in retrospect: the Elders were well aware that some form of reunion was imminent, but they were all convinced it would be peaceful. It's an open question whether they'd actually tracked the node down at that point (the lack of science ships or a waiting delegation suggests otherwise - nodes in BP are not always very predictable in their motions, especially after 50 years of disconnection), but when the Renjian did arrive on the scene, it did so in the following context:
For the UEF’s part, the arrival of the 14th was not unexpected. The Elders had greeted the sighting of GTVA probes with open arms, and in spite of a Fedayeen (the paramilitary black ops unit reporting directly to the Elders, often - and arguably correctly - labeled 'state sponsored terrorists' by the GTVA) report suggesting that the probes were stuffed with sophisticated ELINT gear, prepared no military contingencies for the GTVA’s arrival. The widespread assumption was that Earth’s lost brethren had achieved a degree of peace and enlightenment similar to that which pervaded Sol (barring certain elements of the Kuiper periphery and the military). The coexistence of Terran and Vasudan technological elements in the probes scanned by the Fedayeen was cited as evidence for this view.
Only when the newcomers failed to arrive in a timely manner did the Fleet Admirals (Calder, Byrne, and Netreba) convince the Council of Elders to prepare a limited military response. Admiral Calder also initiated a ‘training exercise’ for the Third Fleet, loading several frigate divisions with live ammunition and practicing quick-response jumps to various points in the system. When the 14th finally did arrive, the Renjian responded to reports of a massive subspace transit with conflicting orders. The Elders’ standing request was that the visitors be escorted directly to Earth. Admiral Calder privately requested that Captain Leicester hold the newcomers at the node as a measure of caution.
When it became apparent that the newcomers had hostile intentions, Captain Leicester reacted rashly. Believing the GTVA warships comparably armed to his own Karuna, Leicester engaged the Orestes while calling for the 3rd Fleet to respond. He promptly found his ship gutted by the Orestes’ plasma beams – the first occurrence of a tactical nightmare that would plague the UEF for the rest of the war.
But as for the question of what else the Renjian could have done, Captain Leicester reacted rashly. He believed he could survive the engagement until the rest of Third Fleet arrived to seize the node. He was very, very wrong, and he didn't survive long enough for relief to arrive. But if Third Fleet had in fact deployed in force while the 14th was still in chaos, they might have taken the node. The four frigates Calder deployed were basically routed in a panic, and the attackers' failure to press their advantage only contributed to the confusion, since it gave still-hopeful elements of the Council of Elders a reason to argue that the whole thing was some sort of colossal misunderstanding.
From a clear vantage point with only a few elements to think of it's easy for us to have better ideas. But for Captain Leicester, scrambled to the location of the new node to respond to reports of a massive subspace transit, 'don't give up the node' and 'keep them tied down here, instead of tied down bombing Earth' were probably first on his mind.
The real pressing question in my mind is this: given that beam damage is applied per-frame, and given that Karunas cause awful lag, how could four Karunas fail to win the day?
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Because it happened off-mission and thus the textures didn't have to be loaded, thus no lag.
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...by jumping into beam range.
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I understand both sides' point of view in this conflict. Unfortunately for the UEF, I have to side with my brothers and sisters in the GTVA, because they're the ones who trained me and they're the ones I've been fighting alongside for the last ten years.
So I don't think you're a horrible person.
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Necrothreaded.
I don't think Laporte has fought for the GTVA for ten years. What are you talking about ?
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Or trained her, except in an indirect way (target practice).
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Well, 18 months are hardly 10 years. Someone has his chronology wrong.
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The Buntu are trapped in the fourth wall, quickly, nuke the universe!
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Necrothreaded.
I don't think Laporte has fought for the GTVA for ten years. What are you talking about ?
Erm.... Laporte was never mentioned by him, so what are YOU talking about?
I understand both sides' point of view in this conflict. Unfortunately for the UEF, I have to side with my brothers and sisters in the GTVA, because they're the ones who trained me and they're the ones I've been fighting alongside for the last ten years.
So I don't think you're a horrible person.
He sides with the GTVA because HE fought alongside them (against the Vasudans, Shivans and NTF) for the last 10 (real world) years. No mention of Laporte there.
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I'm just having a little fun while letting it be known which side I'm on, and letting Drogoth know that I don't think he's not a horrible person. Laporte's a good pilot, I hope I don't have to take her down.
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why not, its an honorable way to die
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why not, its an honorable way to die
Honor is an excuse to fail in your duty.
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Necrothreaded.
I don't think Laporte has fought for the GTVA for ten years. What are you talking about ?
Erm.... Laporte was never mentioned by him, so what are YOU talking about?
When playing WiH, you're Laporte. Simple as that.
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Necrothreaded.
I don't think Laporte has fought for the GTVA for ten years. What are you talking about ?
Erm.... Laporte was never mentioned by him, so what are YOU talking about?
When playing WiH, you're Laporte. Simple as that.
A Schizophrenic in a campaign with ambiguous morales on either side. It's not like you can fault the guy. :)
The way I see it the loyalty chain goes UEF<GTVA<Gefs, cos the Gefs are the good guys. :)
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why not, its an honorable way to die
Honor is an excuse to fail in your duty.
Better than cowardly die on your knees begging for mercy.
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why not, its an honorable way to die
Honor is an excuse to fail in your duty.
Better than cowardly die on your knees begging for mercy.
Good point, cannot really think of a more humiliating defeat, knowing that you've failed and there is nothing you can do about it.
Are the Gefs really good?, cause they kinda get smattered around by both sides a bit. IMO anyway.
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We've only seen a very tiny portion of the Gefs for now. Between Gefs supported by the Tevs, those supported by the UEF, those guns for hire for both sides and those neutral, what we've seen until now is just a fraction of the tip of the iceberg. Keep in mind they are powerful and clever enough to have resisted to the full might of Third Fleet long before WiH.
We're likely to see more of the Gefs in part 2. Probably those founded by Feds, even.
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When playing WiH, you're Laporte. Simple as that.
When posting on a forum I am myself. Simple as that.
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When posting on a forum, you aren't fighting for the GTVA either. Your point ?
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This is gettin extremely poignant and important to follow up. Keep it going!
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When posting on a forum, you aren't fighting for the GTVA either. Your point ?
My point is that you simply misunderstood Damages post. Since there is no shame in that, I'm at a loss why this tiny matter has grown into such a heated debate...
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Yeesh, to think such a can of worms opened up with such a little joke. No wonder the Shivans want us destroyed. This is like those people who dress up in Trek uniforms and wear them into a courtroom like they're actually official representatives of Starfleet (and by the way make the rest of us sane ones look like weirdos, thanks a lot!) I just want Drogoth to know he's not alone and those of us left in 3rd Fleet Capella (in exile) are there with him.
And no I'm not literally a member of 3rd Fleet.
I was in 6th Fleet.
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And no I'm not literally a member of 3rd Fleet.
I was in 6th Fleet.
...but the elements of the 6th fleet that didn't defect to the NTF were almost entirely wiped out (well, 3/4) by Koth in the Epsilon Pegasi offensive...
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It's been 19 years, it's back in business.
Joking aside, thanks to battuta we know there are two more battlegroups worth of Raynor/Titan destroyers. We don't have a fleet number for it, but it could just be 6th fleet.
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Hm. shouldn't the new ships be stationed in Epsilon Pegasi and Vega, to strike if the shivans find a way to reinitiate the jump noedes in Capella?
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I'd keep the new ships in mobile reserve, to make sure they can be deployed where and when the GTVA thinks they can do the most good, while the older ships delay the Shivans long enough for the mobile reserve to arrive and start to push them back as far as possible (hopefully completely out of GTVA terretory) before the meson busses are sent in to close the jumpnode.
Of course that's under the assumtion that the Shivans don't come at the GTVA in full force right away. While it's always dangerous to make assumtions about Shivan behaviour, so far they came in staggered levels of force both times, or the minimum required force to succeed (or not) one could argue.
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Keeping them near Vega or EP is a good idea, though.
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It would also be retarded of command to reserve all of its best units in the middle of a war that they want to finish ASAP. Probably why they have one battle group of the new units in Sol, and one (or two) in their reserves.
I also wonder how widely dispersed the new corvettes are in even the older battle groups, a Chimera and Bellerophon hunter killer team per battle group could do some pretty impressive damage even when paired with a pair of Hecates and older corvettes.
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Better than cowardly die on your knees begging for mercy.
I fail to see how that is related to my point.
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Better than cowardly die on your knees begging for mercy.
I fail to see how that is related to my point.
Nor was your point related to anything prior to it so I'm just continuing the current tradition of ****ting up in the airwaves.
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It would also be retarded of command to reserve all of its best units in the middle of a war that they want to finish ASAP. Probably why they have one battle group of the new units in Sol, and one (or two) in their reserves.
On that we definately agree. While I neglected to say so, I did mean only those "new" ships that were not attached to the Sol invasion forces. Ships like the Temeraire and Orestes (after their re-asignment of course) and whatever other Titans and Raynors the GTVA build beside the Imperieus and Steeles flagship (Artheus?).
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Nor was your point related to anything prior to it so I'm just continuing the current tradition of ****ting up in the airwaves.
On the contrary, it was a commentary on your belief in a honorable death. Honor is a construct used to reassure the loser that they have not in fact lost; a lie told to reassure that you did do everything possible when you did not.
Dead is dead, and beyond caring. Failure is failure. Honor is a meaningless spasm of philosophy, without practical application or merit. It only encourages failure to perform to the best of your abilities and failure to do one's utmost.
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Nor was your point related to anything prior to it so I'm just continuing the current tradition of ****ting up in the airwaves.
On the contrary, it was a commentary on your belief in a honorable death.
Please tell me what I believe or not, I'm always amused at these telepathic attempts.
Honor is a construct used to reassure the loser that they have not in fact lost; a lie told to reassure that you did do everything possible when you did not.
Honorable death has little to do with the psychological impact unto the dead one, I honestly thougth this fact was obvious to anyone. And please enligthen me where the lie... ahh... lies.
Dead is dead, and beyond caring. Failure is failure. Honor is a meaningless spasm of philosophy, without practical application or merit. It only encourages failure to perform to the best of your abilities and failure to do one's utmost.
Before you go out and dismiss all these human meaningless spasms of philosophy, perhaps you'd consider second thinking them out. You know, before you go out embarrassing yourself and saying these silly things to the airwaves?
Perhaps you believe that dying on your feet or on your knees is of utter unimportance for you. I'm fine with that. Just don't try to pretend that such a "philosophy" is a superior one. I'll also respect your feelings if you go on on a rage saying that love, respect, rituals, friendship, loyalty and other human traits are just "shenanigans". Just don't tell me to accept such idiocies.
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(Artheus?).
Is that a Hathesput?
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No, I mean the Raynor that Steele is riding, but I forgot it's name... but after checking I just saw it's Atreus, so I wasn't that far off.
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No, I mean the Raynor that Steele is riding, but I forgot it's name... but after checking I just saw it's Atreus, so I wasn't that far off.
Who wants the next Raynor to be the GTD Arthas? I do.
Hell if Jimmy Raynor gets a class then the Lich King should get one damn ship :P
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Neither of the next two Raynors are called the GTD Arthas.
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Since we already have Atreu(s), why not make a GTD Fuchur? :p
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*facepalm.png*
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Since we already have Atreu(s), why not make a GTD Fuchur? :p
What about the GTD Shenlong and the seven comm nodes needed to activate it?
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Yeah, no. There's a very clear naming pattern for Raynor- and Titan-class ships. The next Raynors would probably be called Electra and Leonidas.
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So...ships of the titan-class are named after famous british naval assets...and Raynors after greek mythic figures?
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Since we already have Atreu(s), why not make a GTD Fuchur? :p
What about the GTD Shenlong and the seven comm nodes needed to activate it?
For that to work out it would have to be SD, not GTD. And I'm glad the Neverending Story hasn't yet been swollowed up by the nothing (despite a bad remake, but let's not go into that).
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So...ships of the titan-class are named after famous british naval assets...and Raynors after greek mythic figures?
Quoting myself...
Temeraire was the name of five ships and two shore establishments...
Imperieuse was the name of even six ships and one training establishment.
So...how does Electra fit in for another Titan? A destroyer in World War 2, build in 1934, second ship of its class, destroyed in 1942...
What about...Invincible, Ark Royal and so on?
And what about Midway etc?
Or am I simply missing some important point about the TEVs naming system in BP?
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So...ships of the titan-class are named after famous british naval assets...and Raynors after greek mythic figures?
Quoting myself...
Temeraire was the name of five ships and two shore establishments...
Imperieuse was the name of even six ships and one training establishment.
So...how does Electra fit in for another Titan? A destroyer in World War 2, build in 1934, second ship of its class, destroyed in 1942...
What about...Invincible, Ark Royal and so on?
And what about Midway etc?
Or am I simply missing some important point about the TEVs naming system in BP?
Yes, you were missing the point that I was discussing names for the next Raynors, not the next Titans.
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You wrote the next Raynor or Titan could be named Electra or Leonidas.
Atreus and Orestes are both mythic greek figures...so Electra wouldn't quite fit.
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Yeah, no. There's a very clear naming pattern for Raynor- and Titan-class ships. The next Raynors would probably be called Electra and Leonidas.
Read the post carefully. In the first full sentence, I establish that there is in fact a specific naming scheme in place for both Titans and Raynors. In the second, I say that the names for the next two Raynors will probably be Electra and Leonidas. At no point do I make suggestions about names for new Titans.
Also, Electra is very definitely a figure from greek mythology. She is Orestes' sister, to be exact.
If there is an unfitting name, it's Leonidas (As Leonidas was a king of Sparta, not of Mycenae). So instead of Leonidas, I would propose Agamemnon.
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Ah, now I have found her^^
My bad, sorry.
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The naming convention for Titans seems to be a bit more specific than that; the Temeraire and Imperieuse are both named after RN warships that were in turn named after French prizes (a fairly common practice in the RN).
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The naming convention for Titans seems to be a bit more specific than that; the Temeraire and Imperieuse are both named after RN warships that were in turn named after French prizes (a fairly common practice in the RN).
GTD Enterprize?
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There are so many famous ships...so we can name dozens of titans^^
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There are so many famous ships...so we can name dozens of titans^^
No! My swarms of Custodes(?) will take all the names first and you will have no Titans!
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Please don't do a GTD Leonidas. 300 jokes would be made about it, its captain, and evil Space Persians. :blah:
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Please don't do a GTD Leonidas. 300 jokes would be made about it, its captain, and evil Space Persians. :blah:
There's one in Ridiculous. Used for the exact purpose.
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I know, and that was awesome because it was for comedic purposes. I was referring to the BP team putting a GTD Leonidas in BP and them having it be a normal destroyer, while everyone else in the BP forum would portray it as captained and crewed by Spartans, with plenty of jokes about it ramming Shivan emissaries into Knossos portals while the captain yells "THIS IS GTVA!"
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Then just call it GTD Sparta and portray it, it's crew and it's CO as more badass than Steele^^
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(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8783/spartaf.jpg)
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Someone has tremendously light lighting settings. Try some PP.
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Then just call it GTD Sparta and portray it, it's crew and it's CO as more badass than Steele^^
But how is that even possible? Only Steele has BALLS OF STEELE! Okay, maybe Leonidas himself and Duke Nukem have balls of steel, but they aren't as Steeley as Steele's BALLS OF STEELE.
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Yeah, I was thinking about a joke of it booting the UEF back through the portal(with or without Gerard Butler head ani).
"This! Is! Delta Serpentis!"
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GTD ELECTRA!!
http://www.google.pt/search?q=Electra&hl=pt-PT&safe=off&nord=1&biw=1117&bih=739&site=webhp&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=PYYoTsPWM8mX8QPhsuWsAw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CBkQ_AUoAQ
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Yeah, no. There's a very clear naming pattern for Raynor- and Titan-class ships. The next Raynors would probably be called Electra and Leonidas.
Unless battuta is a lying sack of crap, which I won't discount off-hand, we already have the names for the next two Raynors and Titans, just no distinguishing between which is which. He dropped them in the bp IRC channel at one point.
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Forum canon > IRC canon
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True statement, but IRC canon stating that the next two are already named and said names released is neither contradicted nor superceded by forum canon saying that there's a theme to the naming followed by a project member's best guess as to the next names.
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I defs didnt even realize that there was a pattern to the names but that makes sense now that I consider it.
Since I suppose the GTD Achilles would be kind of maybe, bad luck, holding out for the the day we see the GTD Bellerophon? :P
In all seriousness though, those next names sound pretty sweet, i defs wasnt aware of that
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I defs didnt even realize that there was a pattern to the names but that makes sense now that I consider it.
Since I suppose the GTD Achilles would be kind of maybe, bad luck, holding out for the the day we see the GTD Bellerophon? :P
In all seriousness though, those next names sound pretty sweet, i defs wasnt aware of that
Ouh, I don't think they name a ship Bellerophon while they have a Bellerophon-class already.
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I defs didnt even realize that there was a pattern to the names but that makes sense now that I consider it.
Since I suppose the GTD Achilles would be kind of maybe, bad luck, holding out for the the day we see the GTD Bellerophon? :P
In all seriousness though, those next names sound pretty sweet, i defs wasnt aware of that
Ouh, I don't think they name a ship Bellerophon while they have a Bellerophon-class already.
Would be nice to name something like GTCv Aeolus or GTC Deimos.
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I defs didnt even realize that there was a pattern to the names but that makes sense now that I consider it.
Since I suppose the GTD Achilles would be kind of maybe, bad luck, holding out for the the day we see the GTD Bellerophon? :P
In all seriousness though, those next names sound pretty sweet, i defs wasnt aware of that
Ouh, I don't think they name a ship Bellerophon while they have a Bellerophon-class already.
Would be nice to name something like GTCv Aeolus or GTC Deimos.
Or the GTCv Hades?
Or what about the mighty Marcus Glaive-class?