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Title: Truespace-Just how bad is it really?
Post by: WMCoolmon on May 12, 2002, 02:14:06 am
Well, I was browsing the Dropshipcommand forums when I saw these (http://www.morpheoustech.homestead.com/czarnecki.html) images, made in Truespace. I figured you guys might be interested in them :D
Title: Truespace-Just how bad is it really?
Post by: Gortef on May 12, 2002, 04:57:40 am
you know you can make good renders with Ts if you know how to use it, that's the problem

(at least that's the problem here :D)


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Title: Truespace-Just how bad is it really?
Post by: Zeronet on May 12, 2002, 07:00:17 am
But how do i use it(i can make models but thats it)?! GMAX makes no sense at all either.
Title: Truespace-Just how bad is it really?
Post by: Nico on May 12, 2002, 08:22:23 am
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Originally posted by Zeronet
But how do i use it(i can make models but thats it)?! GMAX makes no sense at all either.
As ryx said, do the tutorials. If they don't make any sense for you, well, dunno, try knitting, it might fit your skills more :p
Anyway, you won't make renders with Gmax, it's not its purpose, and the renderer has been removed.
Title: Truespace-Just how bad is it really?
Post by: CP5670 on May 12, 2002, 11:46:36 am
If you really have mad skillz, you should be able to make that stuff in Paint. :D

Seriously, I think any program is capable of making good stuff if the user is talented; main differences are the interface systems which are a matter of preference.
Title: Truespace-Just how bad is it really?
Post by: Dr.Zer0 on May 12, 2002, 02:00:41 pm
:jaw: :jaw: (http://www.morpheoustech.homestead.com/files/cClosecombat.jpg)
Title: Truespace-Just how bad is it really?
Post by: Dr.Zer0 on May 13, 2002, 07:11:05 pm
you guys just dont know when to post on a good topic
:bump:
Title: Truespace-Just how bad is it really?
Post by: CP5670 on May 13, 2002, 07:16:14 pm
That's because we are all busy either arguing about religion in that big topic, or spamming. :D :D
Title: Truespace-Just how bad is it really?
Post by: Sandwich on May 13, 2002, 07:36:51 pm
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Originally posted by CP5670
That's because we are all busy either arguing about religion in that big topic, or spamming. :D :D


Hehe - it still isn't as big as that road trip topic - yet. :D
Title: Truespace-Just how bad is it really?
Post by: Bobboau on May 13, 2002, 08:24:11 pm
you know, they can't be useing default shaders, and there has to be some sort of volumetric plugin un use,
and those are some DETAILED models, geometry of such wonderus complecity it brings a tear to my eye, :)  :(
ughh... wait a second, these arn't tears :nervous:
this is blood,
blood?...
aghhh  my eyes are bleeding !!!!
MY EYES ARE BLEEDING AAAAHHRRGGGgggggggggg!!!!!!!
Title: Truespace-Just how bad is it really?
Post by: IceFire on May 13, 2002, 08:37:45 pm
LOL :D
Title: Truespace-Just how bad is it really?
Post by: mikhael on May 13, 2002, 10:05:23 pm
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Originally posted by Bobboau
you know, they can't be useing default shaders, and there has to be some sort of volumetric plugin un use,
and those are some DETAILED models, geometry of such wonderus complecity it brings a tear to my eye, :)  :(
ughh... wait a second, these arn't tears :nervous:
this is blood,
blood?...
aghhh  my eyes are bleeding !!!!
MY EYES ARE BLEEDING AAAAHHRRGGGgggggggggg!!!!!!!


Truespace 4 and 5 have volumetrics built in. TS4 added a proper shader interface and TS5 improved upon it. Its still not a very good shader interface, but at least its reasonably extensible.
Title: Truespace-Just how bad is it really?
Post by: Bobboau on May 13, 2002, 10:56:44 pm
well I know ts4 has volumetric fog, but other than that i am unaware of anything else,
but I'm sure someone could do something with it's SDK
Title: Truespace-Just how bad is it really?
Post by: Sandwich on May 14, 2002, 07:37:40 am
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Originally posted by Bobboau
ughh... wait a second, these arn't tears :nervous:
this is blood,
blood?...
aghhh  my eyes are bleeding !!!!
MY EYES ARE BLEEDING AAAAHHRRGGGgggggggggg!!!!!!!


:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
Title: Truespace-Just how bad is it really?
Post by: Stryke 9 on May 14, 2002, 08:29:13 am
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Originally posted by CP5670
That's because we are all busy either arguing about religion in that big topic, or spamming. :D :D


You act like they're mutually exclusive.:p

Yes, TS is bad. You can still do cool stuff with it, but like CP said, it's possible to do amazing things in Paint as well. The question is how easily it does it, how well it ports stuff, what its texturing engine, etc. can do... things like that. Not irreplaceable, but they make life a hell of a lot easier. Compare Photoshop and Paint- I've seen crap done in Photoshop, and great stuff done in the little pixel-pusher programs, but I'd take photoshop any day, even if it is blitheringly complicated on the advanced levels.
Title: Truespace-Just how bad is it really?
Post by: Redfang on May 14, 2002, 10:10:15 am
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Originally posted by Bobboau
you know, they can't be useing default shaders, and there has to be some sort of volumetric plugin un use,
and those are some DETAILED models, geometry of such wonderus complecity it brings a tear to my eye, :)  :(
ughh... wait a second, these arn't tears :nervous:
this is blood,
blood?...
aghhh  my eyes are bleeding !!!!
MY EYES ARE BLEEDING AAAAHHRRGGGgggggggggg!!!!!!!

 
:wtf::lol::wtf::lol::D
Title: Truespace-Just how bad is it really?
Post by: Zeronet on May 14, 2002, 10:27:53 am
I tried the volumetrics but i couldnt get it to work.
Title: Truespace-Just how bad is it really?
Post by: Sandwich on May 14, 2002, 04:53:37 pm
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Originally posted by Zeronet
I tried the volumetrics but i couldnt get it to work.


IIRC you have to enable it for each light, as well as in the rendering options.... erm... what the heck is that thing that shows up when you right-click on the render button?!

Oh, yeah - Palette! :D ;)
Title: Truespace-Just how bad is it really?
Post by: Bobboau on May 14, 2002, 09:01:59 pm
(in ts4) it's the render controle, lets you enable the render quality, the antialiasing level background/forgournd and toggles for raytraceing (reflaections) and raycasting (transparency)
Title: Truespace-Just how bad is it really?
Post by: CP5670 on May 14, 2002, 09:20:28 pm
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Hehe - it still isn't as big as that road trip topic - yet. :D


Come to think of it, where did that topic go? It is not sticky anymore and I cannot find it in the topic listings. Did someone finally delete it once and for all? :D

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this is blood,
blood?...
aghhh my eyes are bleeding !!!!
MY EYES ARE BLEEDING AAAAHHRRGGGgggggggggg!!!!!!!


:wtf: :D :D :lol:

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You act like they're mutually exclusive. :p


Okay, we are all busy spamming in the religion topic. :D
Title: Truespace-Just how bad is it really?
Post by: Redfang on May 15, 2002, 07:00:45 am
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Originally posted by CP5670


Come to think of it, where did that topic go? It is not sticky anymore and I cannot find it in the topic listings. Did someone finally delete it once and for all? :D

 
No, it's not deleted, but when it was un-stickified it went to some third or fourth page because last post was pretty much the same with those topics down there...
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Originally posted by CP5670
Okay, we are all busy spamming in the religion topic. :D
All? Hey, I have not spammed that thread so much... only a little. ;)
Title: Truespace-Just how bad is it really?
Post by: Gortef on May 15, 2002, 09:56:28 am
I haven't spammed at all in that topic... I'm different :D
Title: Truespace-Just how bad is it really?
Post by: Redfang on May 15, 2002, 10:09:02 am
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Originally posted by Gortef
I haven't spammed at all in that topic... I'm different :D

 
No... you're in the majority (I guess). :p
Title: Truespace-Just how bad is it really?
Post by: CP5670 on May 15, 2002, 10:52:44 am
I probably make up half the posts in that topic. :p :D
Title: Truespace-Just how bad is it really?
Post by: Gortef on May 15, 2002, 01:39:59 pm
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Originally posted by Redfang

 
No... you're in the majority (I guess). :p


Oh... :p
Title: Truespace-Just how bad is it really?
Post by: Taristin on May 15, 2002, 02:02:29 pm
trueSpace 5 is awesome. :D

(http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/us/images/mods/snipes/devestation.jpg)
Title: Truespace-Just how bad is it really?
Post by: Redfang on May 15, 2002, 02:03:49 pm
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Originally posted by CP5670
I probably make up half the posts in that topic. :p :D

 
Sandwich has the other half. Others have 1/4. Wait... that makes 125%! :p
 
I have a serious feeling that this will get owned... and I'm not helping it. :sigh:
 
Edit:
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Originally posted by Raa Tor'h
trueSpace 5 is awesome.  :D

 
Yeah, it can produce red X's (no, seriously (no, have to stop using that word), second time it managed to load). :p
 
Pretty nice. :nod::yes: