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Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Raven2001 on May 12, 2002, 03:07:49 pm
Ok, here is the new SDF Njord redesign... the only resemblance with Dark's ship is th bottom "strut"...

(http://w1.520.telia.com/~u52019065/Njord.jpg)

Opinions please :)
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: vadar_1 on May 12, 2002, 03:14:07 pm
hehehe it looks like it has a very big wang hanging off of it... hehehehe
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Killfrenzy on May 12, 2002, 03:24:51 pm
That 'wing' looks like something else.........:D:D
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Raven2001 on May 12, 2002, 03:46:12 pm
You perverted mans!!! Get burned!!!! :D
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Killfrenzy on May 12, 2002, 04:01:09 pm
*BFReds Raven* Shaddup! :D:D:D

I've heard of pilots overcompensating but...........:D:D
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: karajorma on May 12, 2002, 06:22:56 pm
Make it a shivan ship. Then we can say we've discovered where little shivan ships come from :)
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Tar-Palantir on May 13, 2002, 04:27:15 am
If the 'strut' is part of the ship then please get rid of it, it looks silly. Also its looks (to me) a little bit squashe length wise. May be increasing the size this way by half again would help. Other than these minor points. Good work!
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Killfrenzy on May 13, 2002, 08:11:18 am
Yeah, cut the bottom appendage. It looks wrong.
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Ulundel on May 13, 2002, 08:43:47 am
:lol: oh...dear...lord...
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Nico on May 13, 2002, 08:54:27 am
you twisted minds :rolleyes:
with propper maps, it won't look like "that" at all :rolleyes:
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Ulundel on May 13, 2002, 09:04:59 am
But still it's too big...I don't belive what I'm sain'
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Black Wolf on May 13, 2002, 09:10:21 am
ROTFLMAO!!!!

This has got to be a joke. Please tell me it's a joke. I mean, look at that bottom right hand picture! You've got this tiny looking ship with a massive penis hanging off the bottom. Please don't release that without a sex change. Please. As a favour to me.
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Ulundel on May 13, 2002, 09:17:40 am
Maybe it's pilots. oups :nervous: never mind *runs*
Remove the ***** and you won't get hurt
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Grey Wolf on May 13, 2002, 09:36:36 am
Let's see...[list=1]
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Kellan on May 13, 2002, 09:40:43 am
The bottom strut :rolleyes: is a little too big, I think, but the rest of the fighter is much improved over the original. The strut also looks like its hanging on by a thread.
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Styxx on May 13, 2002, 09:42:06 am
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Originally posted by venom2506
you twisted minds :rolleyes:
with propper maps, it won't look like "that" at all :rolleyes:


Indeed.
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Fozzy on May 13, 2002, 09:48:38 am
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Originally posted by Raven2001
You perverted mans!!! Get burned!!!! :D


I think I will have to agree with everyone else :D
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Nuclear1 on May 13, 2002, 09:54:14 am
*shudders* :nervous: *runs*

Please man. Cut it off!
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Ulundel on May 13, 2002, 10:05:51 am
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Originally posted by nuclear1

Please man. Cut it off!


:lol: OUTCH!!!
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: TheCelestialOne on May 13, 2002, 10:16:42 am
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Originally posted by nuclear1
*shudders* :nervous: *runs*

Please man. Cut it off!


(http://www.smilies.nl/crying.gif) OUCH!
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Ulundel on May 13, 2002, 10:23:45 am
Noone's gonna cut off my... :p
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Killfrenzy on May 13, 2002, 03:07:14 pm
Yes, quit whining and get rid of the damned thing!! :D:D

What is she anyway? A bomber or a fighter?
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: phreak on May 13, 2002, 03:44:53 pm
i wouldn't call that a 'she'
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Killfrenzy on May 13, 2002, 03:53:43 pm
Well, it's a ship, :. it's a she. :p
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Post by: Nuclear1 on May 13, 2002, 04:18:12 pm
I wouldn't call it a she....... look at the little wing......
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Killfrenzy on May 13, 2002, 04:39:13 pm
Alright, so it's a fighter that's had a sex change........
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: IceFire on May 13, 2002, 06:19:56 pm
Sometimes I really wonder why there is such outcry....I see what you guys are talking about....but its not what comes to mind when I look at that ship.

There's a whole lot of you who are either 14 years old OR you have some kind of embarrasment/envy about it.
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: CP5670 on May 13, 2002, 06:39:01 pm
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I see what you guys are talking about....but its not what comes to mind when I look at that ship.


Same here, although that part should probably be shortened a bit regardless of this similarity; it looks a bit out-of-place with the rest of the ship, if you know what I mean. ;) Make it the same size as those two outcroppings on the top-left and top-right corners of the model.
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Killfrenzy on May 14, 2002, 02:38:37 am
I'm 18 and I'm only saying to get rid of it to prevent the 'hilarity' that would ensue if a 14yr old got hold of the mod. Either get rid of it, reshape it (at least make it thinner) or shorten it.

You've got to admit that it looks tacked on and out of place.
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Admiral LSD on May 14, 2002, 10:55:54 am
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Thunder's sig
Got Wang?


I refuse to grow up :)
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: KARMA on May 15, 2002, 06:18:36 am
GTD Dildo, LOL
...
if you will cut that..that...uh that thing i suggest the name
GTD Casablanca:D
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Ryx on May 15, 2002, 06:55:26 am
:rolleyes: @ most of the replies
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Raven2001 on May 15, 2002, 08:49:59 am
Ok, I've been out for a bit... now here's the strut thing:

1- As venom says, with textures it looks really different (still working my skills on that... but I'll do it...)
2- I want the goddamn dominion ships to be VERTICAL!!!
3- If instead of you winning about comparing the strut to a goddamn "dick", you could suggest any kind of remodelling of that part, WITHOUT meaning to take it out!!!!

Thank you... :) :rolleyes:

Ryx: what does "@" means???
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Nico on May 15, 2002, 08:52:27 am
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Originally posted by Raven2001
Ryx: what does "@" means???


at
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Ulundel on May 15, 2002, 12:21:24 pm
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Originally posted by Raven2001

3- If instead of you winning about comparing the strut to a goddamn "dick", you could suggest any kind of remodelling


Yeah, make it smaller :rolleyes:
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Nuclear1 on May 15, 2002, 12:25:53 pm
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Originally posted by Ten of Twelve


Yeah, make it smaller :rolleyes:


:rolleyes:

really small
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Nico on May 15, 2002, 12:44:25 pm
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Originally posted by Ten of Twelve


Yeah, make it smaller :rolleyes:


would look dumb and people would call the ship "small dick"
big difference, great idea :rolleyes:
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: beatspete on May 15, 2002, 12:49:17 pm
If it wanted to look less stupid then you should make the whole thing thinner ('strut' included).  At the moment it looks like a squashed mymadon with a penis.
You could leave 'it' on if it were thinner, since it would look more like an interceptor, or the T wings (is that right?) from starwars.


pete

seriously, when u were designing it, did you never think for just "penis" one moment?!
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Redfang on May 15, 2002, 01:02:38 pm
It's good, but the thing hanging from the bottom of the ship is too big. I guess it doesn't fit, though I don't know... :nod:
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: karajorma on May 15, 2002, 04:31:35 pm
If you want a vertical aspect to the ship I`d suggest increasing the size of the tailfin and then matching it with one underneath the craft. That would look quite striking.
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Nuclear1 on May 15, 2002, 05:51:44 pm
.........

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*thinks*
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Yeah! ;);););););););)
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: deep_eyes on May 16, 2002, 12:19:32 am
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Originally posted by Ten of Twelve
But still it's too big...I don't belive what I'm sain'


Quote
Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
Let's see...[list=1]
  • First step, cut off that damn thing! It makes it look like the worst ships since the GTD Dildo!
  • Next, make it about three times longer.
  • Textures are good to put on ships :nod:


Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwooooooooooooooooooooooooo............. downhill thread............................... lol.............it looks to big, looks like a penis, too small, theyg onna joke on who ever pilots the thing and say, "HEY ALPHA 1! U GOT A SMALL ONE DONT CHA'!?!"

all jokes aside.............(;7 ;7 ;7) nice modeling, but do something bout the wang stabalizer lol........ I dont see too many elephants getting balance from there PARA 50 CALIBER MACHINE GUN.........:devilidea
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Raven2001 on May 16, 2002, 03:19:01 pm
1. The few ppl that liked it, and didn't say any stupidity about it, made me stay with this design, so...... it will stay like this, because, with textures it will look great.
2. No, the goddamn penis never came to mind, so:
           2.1. I don't know what a penis is...
           2.2. Most of you have lack of sex, or don't know what that is... :D
- I choose 2.2. :p

PERIOD
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: YodaSean on May 16, 2002, 06:01:10 pm
The design is OK, but I think it would look a little better(please don't quote me on this :D ) if the thing sticking off the back looked a little more attached to the ship, because right now it looks sort of like it would fall off...

Oh yeah and it would be really hard to strafe a capital ship and avoid having that thing collide with it :p
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Stryke 9 on May 16, 2002, 06:25:33 pm
A ship featuring the friendly weapon. Nice. Freudian.

No, I don't think it's ENTIRELY that obvious, but I get the sense that even if it were skinned well something subconscious would make me cringe every time it got shot in a dogfight...

I don't particularly like it anyway, so there goes your first argument. There's no reason for that lower... appendage to be there, it's way too big and chunky to serva any purpose, and it's ugly as all hell. And without it, that ship's a slightly modified Loki from the front and even less inspiring from the side- pointy little semiellipses?
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Nico on May 16, 2002, 06:37:29 pm
a loki... have you played FS2 recently? :p
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Stryke 9 on May 16, 2002, 06:41:37 pm
No, but I've played with the models plenty. From the front, it resembles a Loki carrying a sack of **** more than anything else.
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Sheepy on May 16, 2002, 06:43:53 pm
I think if you kinda "pinched" the strut abit at its top so it became fatter but also a lil thiner (from the side) it might stop the youngens moaning abit.

To be perfectly honest mate i didnt think anything of it untill some one pointed it out, then it was like yeah i suppose it does abit, anyways im rambling now.


Keep it or leave it, at the end of the days its your choice mate.
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Stryke 9 on May 16, 2002, 06:58:22 pm
I think it emphatically is.

Of course, it should have warned the first crowd off when he asked for opinions that he didn't really want them.:D
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Nico on May 16, 2002, 07:36:46 pm
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
I think it emphatically is.

Of course, it should have warned the first crowd off when he asked for opinions that he didn't really want them.:D


well, he was asking for opinion, not the "oh look! a dick!" childish behaviour...
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Admiral LSD on May 17, 2002, 02:57:08 am
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Originally posted by venom2506
well, he was asking for opinion, not the "oh look! a dick!" childish behaviour...


It may have been childish but what kind of dumbarse designs a ship with such an obvious extension and doesn't expect such childish behaviour? If he didn't want the outcry he should have been more conservative in his design.
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Ryx on May 17, 2002, 05:48:54 am
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Originally posted by Admiral LSD


It may have been childish but what kind of dumbarse designs a ship with such an obvious extension and doesn't expect such childish behaviour? If he didn't want the outcry he should have been more conservative in his design.


Because it wasn't obvious. If you've put effort into a model and you're happy with the way it turned out, You won't make that connection.
I fixed the symmetry for this ship and I didn't see it.

Perhaps you think about it when you model, but I know I don't when I model a new ship.

fun comment, for sure, but know it's wearing(sp?) thin.

:rolleyes:
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Fozzy on May 17, 2002, 05:59:21 am
Dark made some model with a sexual organ, but his maps made it look cool :D

(http://www.wild666.freeserve.co.uk/Feds.jpg)
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Ryx on May 17, 2002, 06:02:44 am
Dang, those are good. :eek2:
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Nico on May 17, 2002, 07:10:05 am
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Originally posted by Fozzy
Dark made some model with a sexual organ, but his maps made it look cool :D

(http://www.wild666.freeserve.co.uk/Feds.jpg)


ok:
YOU STUPID!!!

in case you didnt' notice, those ships are MAPPED .
what did I keep repeating all along this thread? bah, go play back in your sandbox :rolleyes:
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: karajorma on May 17, 2002, 08:20:54 am
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Originally posted by venom2506


ok:
YOU STUPID!!!

in case you didnt' notice, those ships are MAPPED .
what did I keep repeating all along this thread? bah, go play back in your sandbox :rolleyes:


Ummm. I think he's making the same point you did!

Anyway even if the strut didn`t look like a giant dick most of us would be suggesting cutting it off. It looks bolted on. Furthermore it looks bolted on for no good reason! What is it there for?

 If the strut had looked like something less comical most people would have quite happily suggested removing or shrinking it since to a lot of us it just looks wrong.
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Nico on May 17, 2002, 08:42:32 am
ah? oups, my bad, misread :p
anyway, I like it the way it is, can be, dunno, a gravity well or something like that.
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: YodaSean on May 17, 2002, 04:34:30 pm
Why can't the "strut" just be replaced with a really large, razor thin wing?  That would look a lot better
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Killfrenzy on May 17, 2002, 04:41:45 pm
Yeah, make it thinner - it looks awful at that thickness.

When I make wings, I insist on making it as thin as possible.
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Stryke 9 on May 17, 2002, 06:28:29 pm
As a rule, it's best to have some kind of practical application in mind when designing ships anyway... saying "Oh, this looks cool" and sticking random crap on may produce a result that looks good to you, but to anyone else they're usually laughable.


Aside from which, ships look cooler if they look like they DO something anyway- would the Stealth Bomber or a Tomcat be aesthetically improved by a pair of big, useless spiky structures on the wings, or a giant lump in the back?
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Killfrenzy on May 18, 2002, 04:24:06 am
When I design ships, I fully flesh out their components (at least the main ones) as well as where they came from, what they do, how well they do it, etc.
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Bishop Gantry on May 18, 2002, 05:22:14 am
Well first you need a male Sathana and a female Sathana... after a while you have small mini Sathanans circling around blowing up starsystems...
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Grey Wolf on May 19, 2002, 12:45:17 pm
BTW, the comment about "Make it three times longer" was referring to the length of the ship. It was not intended to be juvenile.
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Fineus on May 19, 2002, 12:47:42 pm
Try and keep the penis jokes to a null thanks, it's never been funny :)
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Fozzy on May 19, 2002, 01:53:00 pm
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Originally posted by venom2506


ok:
YOU STUPID!!!

in case you didnt' notice, those ships are MAPPED .
what did I keep repeating all along this thread? bah, go play back in your sandbox :rolleyes:


No need to get all pmt on me i was just backing your statment up, with some evidence. doh...
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Raven2001 on May 20, 2002, 06:25:03 am
There! that pic said it all!!!

About the purpose... Yes, it has a purpose. because it HEAVILY improves maneuverability (sp?), because the maneuvering (roll to be more precise9) thrusters are in the strut... if you know physics lever (I think that's the one...) law, you know that the thrusters put in that location make it roll faster than being put in the main body... (I hope that you understand what I'm saying, but its logical and true), and I want to give the sol dominion ships a new type of piloting, to make them original, so with these ships, instead of turning, you make most of the maneuvers roling and pitching like in a fighter airplain :)

I agree that from that pic the strut looks like it is hold only by a little piece, but that's just because the (minigun-type blasters are positioned right in front of it, and you can't see the connecttion very well from this angle :)

That's it, you may continue :)
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Nico on May 20, 2002, 03:39:36 pm
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Originally posted by Fozzy


No need to get all pmt on me i was just backing your statment up, with some evidence. doh...


I said I misread. anyway, I apologize again.
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: TrashMan on May 21, 2002, 12:42:45 pm
Cool!;7 :yes:

And I just LOVE the F-14 Tomcat!
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: an0n on May 21, 2002, 01:05:59 pm
Haha. It really does look like it's hung like a Grand National champion race-horse. You could put a huge beam on the end that fires a white beam out......or not! That'd be funnier. A beam charge, then nothing, then a beam power-down.

Hmmmm. Is it getting warm in here?


Make it get smaller as apposed to larger at the end (the whole thing, not just the...er...head). And for God sake, don't use anything remotely pink for the textures :D.
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Fineus on May 21, 2002, 01:46:05 pm
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Originally posted by an0n
Haha. It really does look like it's hung like a Grand National champion race-horse. You could put a huge beam on the end that fires a white beam out......or not! That'd be funnier. A beam charge, then nothing, then a beam power-down.

Hmmmm. Is it getting warm in here?


Make it get smaller as apposed to larger at the end (the whole thing, not just the...er...head). And for God sake, don't use anything remotely pink for the textures :D.

What was the last thing I posted?

Yep, thats right.

SMACK!!
Title: Lets put this back on topic
Post by: StratComm on May 21, 2002, 02:59:53 pm
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Originally posted by Fozzy


(http://www.wild666.freeserve.co.uk/Feds.jpg)


Those look really good.  I assume that the Njord's strut is an engine mount, in which case it physically wouldn't work, but it still looks pretty cool.  As for that apollo rework, I WANT IT!!!
Title: Re: Lets put this back on topic
Post by: Raven2001 on May 21, 2002, 03:05:54 pm
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Originally posted by StratComm


Those look really good.  I assume that the Njord's strut is an engine mount, in which case it physically wouldn't work, but it still looks pretty cool.  As for that apollo rework, I WANT IT!!!


Yes, it is an engine mount :)
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Grey Wolf on May 21, 2002, 09:05:12 pm
Well, considering you said its an engine strut....
[list=1]OC, these are only my opinions.
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Raven2001 on May 22, 2002, 06:39:07 am
I'm tottaly friendly to suggestions, but on this one, I won't change anything... because this one's out of the drawing boards... and I like it the way iot is, and you will too when it is textured, believe me, I've got a good idea for it...

But you can count that I will listen to your opinions of tweaking on my other models, if those don't mean taking out or shorten a certain STRUT!!! But if you've got nice ideas for remodelliung the struts, I'll consider them :)
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Grey Wolf on May 22, 2002, 06:24:43 pm
I'd suggest at least making your struts have a thinner X-axis. Maybe lengthen the Z-axis on them even...
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Post by: gevatter Lars on May 23, 2002, 03:08:42 pm
I think you should let the model untuched. It is good as it is now.
And when you know thing "Why he is (nearly) the only one liking the ship" read my sign.

BTW I can wait to see that Destroyer... the pic looks ...wow... I want to draw like that... beside many other things I want...
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Martinus on May 23, 2002, 03:13:19 pm
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Originally posted by Thunder

What was the last thing I posted?

Yep, thats right.

SMACK!!


Heheh, time to break out the HLP Hammer of maturity?


BTW I'm very impressed by the ship design and the maps, realistic is good, yes, but without a little imagination it all gets a little dry.
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Raven2001 on May 23, 2002, 03:48:18 pm
Grey Wolf: I'll try to do that in the new Tolkien (name to be changed...), and see if it looks good :)

Gevatter Lars: thanks :) BTW, don't I know you??? Weren't you a modeler in the Lancers Reactor Community???
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: gevatter Lars on May 23, 2002, 06:03:23 pm
Bingo...
Yes I was a long time ago in the Lancers Reactor, but since the mission editor never comes out I changed to FS2.
And didn't you still have one of my models for texturing?
Title: Re: Lets put this back on topic
Post by: Black Wolf on May 24, 2002, 09:51:42 am
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Originally posted by StratComm
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Those look really good.  I assume that the Njord's strut is an engine mount, in which case it physically wouldn't work, but it still looks pretty cool.  As for that apollo rework, I WANT IT!!!


I think it's meant for maneuverability, so it would work, based on the principles of torque. But it's still to phallic. Maybe if it sloped back at the end and/or narrowed to a point instead of growing at the end?
Title: Njord Redesign...
Post by: Raven2001 on May 24, 2002, 05:59:20 pm
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Originally posted by gevatter Lars
Bingo...
Yes I was a long time ago in the Lancers Reactor, but since the mission editor never comes out I changed to FS2.
And didn't you still have one of my models for texturing?


Hmmm... yeah... You'l have to wait about those... cause I'm still trying to learn how to draw proper textures in PaintShop... buit I'll get it...

And... don't you remember me asking you to make me a model of a certain vasudan fighter??? :D
Title: Re: Re: Lets put this back on topic
Post by: StratComm on May 25, 2002, 12:04:12 pm
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Originally posted by Black Wolf


I think it's meant for maneuverability, so it would work, based on the principles of torque. But it's still to phallic. Maybe if it sloped back at the end and/or narrowed to a point instead of growing at the end?


I was refering to the fact that it shifts the ship's center of mass so much that it would be more likely to spin in place than to actually go anywhere under main power.  Unless there were main engines on top and on the strut and they were balanced power-wise.  Not a big deal (especially since FS2 doesn't pay any attention to real physics anyway).  What could be cool, though really hard to play, would be to set the center of rotation somewhere on that strut and try to fly it that way.  That would be really tough in some respects, and would alter gameplay considerably.