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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: sigtau on June 07, 2011, 09:05:20 pm
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Just recently thought I'd get into airsoft since I'm making a game about combat tactics. I mean, why not get some hands on experience?
Just bought a Glock 17 sidearm (electric blowback) to get me started. Probably going to have a ****-load of birthday money after Saturday's over with which will leave me enough to buy an electric-powered rifle, preferably with a muzzle velocity of >350 FPS. Probably going to get something that isn't an M4 or M16 derivative (because, really, **** those things, everyone uses them), and I'll also be getting face protection as well as a BDU of sorts to lower the pain experienced from getting shot (which, I have been before--on bare skin--and that **** hurts).
Anyone else into this sport/hobby?
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I got into it for a while before college and then got out.
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Personally I like paintball better, but I've heard good things about airsoft and I have a few friends that play it.
How's the combat tactics side of things coming?
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I was. I had a TM G36C. Sold it when I didn't play often. It's fun for sure, though. I'm not a fan of the "HURRR REAL MILITARY" attitude that a lot of players seem to have, though. :\
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The group I'm going to be a part of handles it less like a real military and more like a team sport. Treating it like the real military is like saying Call of Duty is an accurate representation of warfare.
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The MilSim guys are what killed my interest in Paintball after five years of putting up with them. Thought about trying Airsoft but heard they were even worse over on that end. Always been interested though.
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The group I'm going to be a part of handles it less like a real military and more like a team sport. Treating it like the real military is like saying Call of Duty is an accurate representation of warfare.
Treating it like a team sport is the most fun I think.
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The group I'm going to be a part of handles it less like a real military and more like a team sport. Treating it like the real military is like saying Call of Duty is an accurate representation of warfare.
YOU MEAN IT'S NOT?! D: D:
And yeah, have fun with that gun. I've always wanted one myself but my mom won't let me have one because she thinks I'd shoot her with it, which is stupid because we have sharp kitchen knives. Hell, woman wouldn't let me have nerf or water guns until last yeah that's how crazy she is.
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On a bit of a tangent...I'm curious as to how 'real military' you guys are meaning here? Are you referring to mil specific tactics and perhaps some BDU crap or an actual rank structure and ****?
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On a bit of a tangent...I'm curious as to how 'real military' you guys are meaning here? Are you referring to mil specific tactics and perhaps some BDU crap or an actual rank structure and ****?
TACTICOOL BRAVO FLANK LEFT GO GO GO
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Just recently thought I'd get into airsoft since I'm making a game about combat tactics. I mean, why not get some hands on experience?
Just bought a Glock 17 sidearm (electric blowback) to get me started. Probably going to have a ****-load of birthday money after Saturday's over with which will leave me enough to buy an electric-powered rifle, preferably with a muzzle velocity of >350 FPS. Probably going to get something that isn't an M4 or M16 derivative (because, really, **** those things, everyone uses them), and I'll also be getting face protection as well as a BDU of sorts to lower the pain experienced from getting shot (which, I have been before--on bare skin--and that **** hurts).
Anyone else into this sport/hobby?
I've played it in job school twice IIRC and our shop in my reserve unit is trying to get one of these outings set up (they did before, but I couldn't make it because it was the day before out monthly drill which for me is a 153 mile trip).
It's fun, but yeah, can be quite painful. Especially if you are playing with the rules where rounds don't kill you; you just keep shooting until you give up (by holding your weapon above your head). I never participated in matches with that rule, however... Didn't want to have un-necessary bruises all over. :ick: Crazy people... well they're in the right branch. USMC, gotta be a little crazy. :lol:
I prefer capture the flag, team vs team elimination, or maybe free for all last man standing.
Hmm, actually, I did play using "surrender" rules once... now that I think of it. I just hid behind my wall and put my face up. Everyone had to wear masks for safety, so they shot a lot of rounds into my mask, which didn't really hurt (except for a round or two that skimmed my scalp, ouch!)... got the other team to waste a bunch of rounds on my mask, firing enough to keep them interested, until my ammo ran out. Then I held my weapon up and left. Hehe, thanks for all the rounds, now my team can be that much closer to victory. ;)
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On a bit of a tangent...I'm curious as to how 'real military' you guys are meaning here? Are you referring to mil specific tactics and perhaps some BDU crap or an actual rank structure and ****?
TACTICOOL BRAVO FLANK LEFT GO GO GO
Precisely why I didn't join the group that meets at the downtown arena. The group I'm in uses radios, but we don't divide into squads, it's usually just the whole team moving as a unit with sentries stationed where we need them.
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On a bit of a tangent...I'm curious as to how 'real military' you guys are meaning here? Are you referring to mil specific tactics and perhaps some BDU crap or an actual rank structure and ****?
TACTICOOL BRAVO FLANK LEFT GO GO GO
So OTT usage of shoehorned military discourse? Eurgh.
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Ender's tactic pwns everything.
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Just recently thought I'd get into airsoft since I'm making a game about combat tactics. I mean, why not get some hands on experience?
Just bought a Glock 17 sidearm (electric blowback) to get me started. Probably going to have a ****-load of birthday money after Saturday's over with which will leave me enough to buy an electric-powered rifle, preferably with a muzzle velocity of >350 FPS. Probably going to get something that isn't an M4 or M16 derivative (because, really, **** those things, everyone uses them), and I'll also be getting face protection as well as a BDU of sorts to lower the pain experienced from getting shot (which, I have been before--on bare skin--and that **** hurts).
Anyone else into this sport/hobby?
I've played it in job school twice IIRC and our shop in my reserve unit is trying to get one of these outings set up (they did before, but I couldn't make it because it was the day before out monthly drill which for me is a 153 mile trip).
It's fun, but yeah, can be quite painful. Especially if you are playing with the rules where rounds don't kill you; you just keep shooting until you give up (by holding your weapon above your head). I never participated in matches with that rule, however... Didn't want to have un-necessary bruises all over. :ick: Crazy people... well they're in the right branch. USMC, gotta be a little crazy. :lol:
I prefer capture the flag, team vs team elimination, or maybe free for all last man standing.
Hmm, actually, I did play using "surrender" rules once... now that I think of it. I just hid behind my wall and put my face up. Everyone had to wear masks for safety, so they shot a lot of rounds into my mask, which didn't really hurt (except for a round or two that skimmed my scalp, ouch!)... got the other team to waste a bunch of rounds on my mask, firing enough to keep them interested, until my ammo ran out. Then I held my weapon up and left. Hehe, thanks for all the rounds, now my team can be that much closer to victory. ;)
Try playing those rules with paintball...
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I almost got into this while I was at Embry, but I never really committed. Too much money and too much time go into this, just like paintball. I did end up getting a spring powered MP5, however, which was the "suppressed" sliding stock model. This was quite useful, as I could dissemble it and hide it in my file cabinet. :p
If I had to start again, I'd spend $150 and get myself a spring sniper rifle. I've already got most of any camo/gear, so that's not a real concern on that end.
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On a bit of a tangent...I'm curious as to how 'real military' you guys are meaning here? Are you referring to mil specific tactics and perhaps some BDU crap or an actual rank structure and ****?
TACTICOOL BRAVO FLANK LEFT GO GO GO
So OTT usage of shoehorned military discourse? Eurgh.
Depends on the group, I was considering trying it out awhile back but it conflicted with horse riding lessons, the team my friend rolls with literally do everything by the book. Proper room breach and clear, bounding, the works. I did some research and even put together a gear budget but schedule wise it wasn't really in the cards, plus I can spend that money on getting a motorcycle instead :D
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Well, I decided on a rifle: a Jing Gong G36C AEG (http://www.airsplat.com/Items/ERM-JG-G36C-638.htm) (350FPS, with an extra magazine--each mag holding around 300 rounds). The rifle itself has tons of positive reviews, and since mine is more or less a squad cover support playing style, I chose it over something like an M14 (which would enable effectiveness at longer ranges).
To supplement the basic kit, I also intend to buy full face protection, a speedloader, and--since the G36C has a Weaver rail on top that makes it compatible with just about any optical sight on the market--a red dot sight. Total cost of everything in my kit including the accessories and initial rounds to get me started comes to about $170--NOT bad for a startup.
The BDU can come later. My 11 year old brother claims to have been hit with 350FPS rounds at the latest local match, wearing two layers of light clothing and a rainjacket to supplement it, and only feeling a slight 'thump'. I figure I can survive if I wear a hoodie with a long sleeved shirt underneath, some heavy jeans, and comfortable running shoes (with face protection, of course).
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Try playing those rules with paintball...
Err... oops. I mixed up paintball and airsoft. I've never played airsoft (if that is those little plastic BBs)... I meant painballs. :ick: Sorry, had just gotten up when I posted. :lol: ofc, if you read my post, it will make sense. You don't get black and blue from BBs (or do you? they are really small).
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You don't get black and blue from BBs (or do you? they are really small).
If you get hit on bare skin, it will probably bruise, especially at velocities >200FPS.
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FPS?
Feet?
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Feet per second. Most of the time it ranges from 100FPS (lower end sidearms) to 700FPS (gas powered marksman's rifles). Anything higher than that is usually completely disallowed from tournaments or public competition.
At least, that's how it works in this state.
Also, ≥300 FPS is enough to break skin from 10 feet away, with results varying as the distance widens between the person firing and their target.
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Yes, I know those things can break skin... but if it just hits your clothes, how do tell when your hit?
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You feel it.
EDIT: Unless you're wearing medieval plate armor, in which case you'll hear it.
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On a bit of a tangent...I'm curious as to how 'real military' you guys are meaning here? Are you referring to mil specific tactics and perhaps some BDU crap or an actual rank structure and ****?
Honestly, both. It's 17-25 year olds dressing up in BDUs (which are actually great, cheap camo), tacticool stuff, setting up ranks, using military tactics, the whole shebang. It's basically playing army for a weekend.
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Hm, I don't mind that kind of stuff too much. Cheap BDU **** and a sectional organisation structure that's stuck to. But ranks etc? That's when I start to feel it's a disservice to the blokes who do it for real.
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I didn't even mind a rudimentary rank structure in the group I played Paintball with, since generally it meant those with tactical awareness were the ones shouting commands/advice at everyone. When some random guy at a game demanded one of my friends salute him, however, that's about the point I said **** it.
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I think rank structure should be based on skill--if you even have a rank structure in your league--but should not be used as a means of gaining respect from other players because you're 'superior' to them.
In the real armed forces, it's completely different--for example, you're actually under fire--so there's total justification there to demand respect from your peers.
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Yeah, that whole power-play bull**** is what gets me about it. I don't mind the allocation of team/platoon/section leaders and second-in-command, that's just like any other team sport and you need it for a lot of these tactics to run smoothly, but eurgh, saluting? Jeez, ****ing, useless, wanker. If you don't hold a Queen's Commission or equivalent, you have no right to force someone to salute you. Especially if they're not in the armed forces or an organisation of which the forces are parent of. :rolleyes:
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The only kinda rank we had in was 2 motivated people who lead the team, me and another guy. Basically we just decided which people to play during matches and witch positions and organized practice sessions. I'm fine with all the tactical stuff, but making up you're own names and codewords is much more amusing IMO. :lol:
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FYI... you never salute in the "field" aka battle situations... only in garrison (on your base in a non-combat situation or in uniform outside the base in a non-combat situation). All you are doing if you salute in the field is painting a big red crosshair on your superior officer(s). So if they want to be saluted, you could always enlighten them of this little fact. :P
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FYI... you never salute in the "field" aka battle situations... only in garrison (on your base in a non-combat situation or in uniform outside the base in a non-combat situation). All you are doing if you salute in the field is painting a big red crosshair on your superior officer(s). So if they want to be saluted, you could always enlighten them of this little fact. :P
Oh he was enlightened of this fact, no worries there. It also ended up devolving into a fistfight, but that may have been taking it a bit too far. :nervous:
Either way, MilSim guys filled with Unwarranted Self Importance are a bane on both Paintball and Airsoft. It's a shame, as both games are great fun, but you have to be stupidly careful about who you play with if you simply want to enjoy yourself.
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FYI... you never salute in the "field" aka battle situations... only in uniform while in garrison (on your base in a non-combat situation or in uniform outside the base in a non-combat situation). All you are doing if you salute in the field is painting a big red crosshair on your superior officer(s). So if they want to be saluted, you could always enlighten them of this little fact. :P
EDIT fixxored ... you only salute on your base if you're in uniform.
EDIT2: And, apparently I hit "quote", not "modify" :lol:
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FYI... you never salute in the "field" aka battle situations... only in garrison (on your base in a non-combat situation or in uniform outside the base in a non-combat situation). All you are doing if you salute in the field is painting a big red crosshair on your superior officer(s). So if they want to be saluted, you could always enlighten them of this little fact. :P
Oh he was enlightened of this fact, no worries there. It also ended up devolving into a fistfight, but that may have been taking it a bit too far. :nervous:
Either way, MilSim guys filled with Unwarranted Self Importance are a bane on both Paintball and Airsoft. It's a shame, as both games are great fun, but you have to be stupidly careful about who you play with if you simply want to enjoy yourself.
My policy with these people is to shoot them in the eyes.
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And they bloody deserve it. It's a disservice to the guys and girls who do it for real, and actually earned a commission.
FYI... you never salute in the "field" aka battle situations... only in uniform while in garrison (on your base in a non-combat situation or in uniform outside the base in a non-combat situation). All you are doing if you salute in the field is painting a big red crosshair on your superior officer(s). So if they want to be saluted, you could always enlighten them of this little fact. :P
EDIT fixxored ... you only salute on your base if you're in uniform.
EDIT2: And, apparently I hit "quote", not "modify" :lol:
And if you've got the appropriate headdress on, but I'm not sure if that's just a Commonwealth thing.
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And they bloody deserve it. It's a disservice to the guys and girls who do it for real, and actually earned a commission.
I suspect we have somewhat different motivations here
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Eh, different motivations, same end result. ;)
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And they bloody deserve it. It's a disservice to the guys and girls who do it for real, and actually earned a commission.
FYI... you never salute in the "field" aka battle situations... only in uniform while in garrison (on your base in a non-combat situation or in uniform outside the base in a non-combat situation). All you are doing if you salute in the field is painting a big red crosshair on your superior officer(s). So if they want to be saluted, you could always enlighten them of this little fact. :P
EDIT fixxored ... you only salute on your base if you're in uniform.
EDIT2: And, apparently I hit "quote", not "modify" :lol:
And if you've got the appropriate headdress on, but I'm not sure if that's just a Commonwealth thing.
Yeah, at least in the Marines, you don't salute without a cover... but you don't go outdoors without a cover unless you're on the flightline (cause you don't want a turbine to suck it into it's intake).
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Just bought the G36C. Made sure it was higher-reviewed before I made the jump to order it. Like I mentioned previously, I also got face protection, an extra magazine, plenty of ammunition, and a speed-loader to supplement it.
Also, the Glock replica I mentioned in the first post was a royal piece of ****. Broke after about five shots because the receiver mechanism jammed. A hasty attempt at field stripping the damned thing revealed that the gearbox was using plastic components instead of higher quality metal ones.
Oh well, you get what you pay for. I'll start saving up for a better sidearm.
EDIT: For reference, this (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001DYF8C2/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?ie=UTF8&m=A1C3AEKQFQ823R) is what I ordered.
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I believe you can get replacement components, gearboxes in particular. OR many people just get spring pistols, which often are cheaper and have a pretty decent velocity to them as well. Springs aren't bad as sidearms.
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I believe you can get replacement components, gearboxes in particular. OR many people just get spring pistols, which often are cheaper and have a pretty decent velocity to them as well. Springs aren't bad as sidearms.
If you guys happen to know of a spring-based revolver that doesn't rattle like hell (thereby killing all chances of stealth), please do tell.
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I have a spring slide-action pistol, modeled after a 10mm auto. Purchased from Wal-Mart for less than $30 USD, mind you. I'll look more into the specific make and model later if this is of any interest.
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Ooh I had one, it's a replica of the Walther P99, springer, mostly plastic, 13 shot clip. Forgot the manufacturer, will update when I'm next near that thing. The clip has a large metal chunk in it, making it heavy and a very steady weapon. Decent velocity and good range. It clicks a bit when you cock it, but no rattling, so you can easily maintain stealth until you're ready to fire.