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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: karajorma on June 14, 2011, 10:28:55 pm
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2002083/Germaine-Greer-claims-British-troops-turn-rapists.html
Yeah, I know it's from the Daily Mail but it's all direct quotes so it should be accurate.
Germaine Greer was branded a disgrace yesterday after claiming British troops would rape women while at war.
The feminist outraged military leaders after she suggested highly-disciplined UK ground forces might commit acts of appalling sexual brutality if deployed to Libya.
Her remarks were made on BBC1’s Question Time as the 72-year-old cast doubt on allegations that Colonel Gaddafi had given his soldiers Viagra and ordered mass rapes as a weapon against rebels.
In other remarks that triggered anger, Germaine Greer claimed young girls could be sexualised by ‘kissing their fathers goodnight’.
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‘There’s always been this sinister culture that has gone along and it has always been sexual,’ she said.
‘The Barbie doll herself is a fetish, she’s descended from a sex toy. Little girls learn to flirt with their fathers.’ She continued: ‘You know, “Kiss daddy goodnight” – and all this sort of business.
Okay Greer, thanks for your work on feminism in the past but it's well past time you ****ed off.
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Who are you talking to? There's no women on HLP.
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Feminism isn't limited to women.
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Barbie is descended from an anatomically correct doll. Beyond that...
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Feminism isn't limited to women.
Bro is trolling you yo
This woman sounds crazy, however her declaration that British troops will rape people if deployed to a foreign country is, on balance, probably 100% correct (swap British for [country] at your discretion)
It's just sort of a thing you expect.
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Bro is trolling you yo
This woman sounds crazy, however her declaration that British troops will rape people if deployed to a foreign country is, on balance, probably 100% correct (swap British for [country] at your discretion)
It's just sort of a thing you expect.
But these are civilized white men from the west, you must understand that they don't ever do that kind of thing.
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feminism should be declared a mental illness. seriously this crap has gone way too far.
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Feminism isn't limited to women.
So what? There are no women on HLP. There are civilized white men but no women. There are no women on HLP. And you remember what happened the one time there was a woman in General Discussion. So this whole thread is totally pointless without a female. We're just a bunch of under forty men discussing feminism now.
Now its 12 AM an everyone needs to go to sleep.
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feminism should be declared a mental illness. seriously this crap has gone way too far.
Given that this brand of feminism is from like 50 years ago I don't think this is a particularly salient response, then again nuke
Feminism isn't limited to women.
So what? There are no women on HLP. There are civilized white men but no women. There are no women on HLP. And you remember what happened the one time there was a woman in General Discussion. So this whole thread is totally pointless without a female. We're just a bunch of under forty men discussing feminism now.
Now its 12 AM an everyone needs to go to sleep.
There are actually a couple women, some of us also live with them
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-Sara-, for one.
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I'm confused where this is going. Is GB trying to salvage an intellectual discussion out of this thread or is he subtly initiating a I-live-with-a-woman-and-you-dont pissing contest? Because either way he loses before the first shot is fired. Oh wait, not to imply I live with my mother or anything.
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I was just saying there are clearly female voices here, either directly or through people who have firsthand contact with the issues women face.
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Good. I know we're all bang up guys too but let's keep it free of homoerotic innuendo this time.
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Why :(
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Good. I know we're all bang up guys too but let's keep it free of homoerotic innuendo this time.
Did I miss something?
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You must make a wish and supply Zoltar with a coin.
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You must make a wish and supply Zoltar with a coin.
Does Zoltar accept bitcoins?
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No... coins.
You never played with one of those things when you were a kid? You can buy them on Ebay for like $9000.
(http://poolagirl.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/zoltar.jpg)
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Achievement unlocked: Confuse Swantz to sleep with fake in jokes.
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Achievement unlocked: Confuse Swantz to sleep with fake in jokes.
I'm still awake.
I'm sorry, but if Zoltar doesn't accept bitcoins, I guess I'll never know the answer to my question. The only other method of payment I could offer might involve homo-eroticism, which is disallowed in this thread.
I just made a joke about sexually molesting an analog fortune-telling machine. I think I'll go to bed.
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If this topic doesn't go back on topic with the next post, temp-bans are getting handed out.
You do not need women to discuss feminism, you certainly don't need them to discuss this kind of man-hating feminism.
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Her crime is mostly, but not entirely, one of scale. A few criminal rapes are to be expected from any deployment of troops, even highly disciplined troops - just as a few noncombat murders are to be expected. She's right to point that out. But what Qaddafi has been accused of is systematic, institutionalized rape as a weapon of terror, which is not only a different kettle of fish but a much larger and nastier one.
Trying to equate the two is pretty dumb.
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Have a large enough military presence somewhere and rape is going to happen. Everything she said beyond that (i.e. about daughters kissing their fathers goodnight being sexual, and other gems) were incoherent ramblings of someone who should have retired years ago.
I'd like to think any topic can be discussed regardless of gender provided the people involved are rational human beings. In general I'm happy to discuss matters of feminism, female (in)equality etc. The only problem I have with such discussions is that all too often women who proclaim themselves as hardcore feminists are one of two types: an older one who got burned by her (ex)husband so now the entire male population are vermin, or a younger one with way too much time on her hands. Usually head filled with rubbish courtesy of the older one. There's no rational discussion with either of those types, so if I detect anything resembling that I get out of that discussion like a rich guy abandoning the Titanic.
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Yeah but it's kinda sad that we allow people like Greer to present herself as a feminist unchallenged. She actually does her cause more harm than good because she gives credence to the view that some feminists don't want equality, they want to think they are better. Which, of course, allows certain people to dismiss all feminism as a result.
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What this actually boils down to is that people are insensitive, retarded, bastards.
Sex is irrelevant to the point.
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Shock tactics like these have their place, and that is to get a movement started, wake the public up to the fact that an issue they have ignored for so long needs dealing with.
Feminism has moved beyond that stage, indeed as previously commented here we are at the stage where these kinds of comments are counter-productive and discriminatory against men, though she is also by association attacking the women serving by blanketing targeting the forces. Womens equality, certainly in the UK, has gotten to the point that there are laws preventing certain discriminations, women not only have the vote but can also stand and have been elected to the highest political office in the land, women are also successful business owners. If Feminism is not moving in the direction or at the pace she wants she needs to be talking directly to the MPs (men and women) and pushing for change.
Her attack against fathers and daughters kissing good night is similarly flawed. As a farther to a 3yr old girl our kiss cuddles good night is no more sexualised than my wife and her son kissing good night. It affirms family bonds and the love that holds the family together no more, no less.
Tbh Greer is more of a liability to everyone involved, time to stop inviting her for her comments and find someone who is actually in touch with contemporary feminist issues so they have something intelligent to say when they are asked for their views.
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Her attack against fathers and daughters kissing good night is similarly flawed. As a farther to a 3yr old girl our kiss cuddles good night is no more sexualised than my wife and her son kissing good night. It affirms family bonds and the love that holds the family together no more, no less.
As an European, my first thought was... ah... yeah, what about the French then? Wanna insult a whole country next Mrs. Greer? LOL :)
Frankly... in my eyes this whole thing is not about feminism, but rather mere attention-whoring.
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Trying to equate the two is pretty dumb.
Not dumb, evil.
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feminism should be declared a mental illness. seriously this crap has gone way too far.
Given that this brand of feminism is from like 50 years ago I don't think this is a particularly salient response, then again nuke
vagina people are nothing but trouble, dirty evil whores. don't trust the vagina people!
*edit*
quote fail
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Her attack against fathers and daughters kissing good night is similarly flawed. As a farther to a 3yr old girl our kiss cuddles good night is no more sexualised than my wife and her son kissing good night. It affirms family bonds and the love that holds the family together no more, no less.
As an European, my first thought was... ah... yeah, what about the French then? Wanna insult a whole country next Mrs. Greer? LOL :)
Frankly... in my eyes this whole thing is not about feminism, but rather mere attention-whoring.
Isn't that what feminism is these days? (*unless applied to third world countries)
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Her attack against fathers and daughters kissing good night is similarly flawed. As a farther to a 3yr old girl our kiss cuddles good night is no more sexualised than my wife and her son kissing good night. It affirms family bonds and the love that holds the family together no more, no less.
As an European, my first thought was... ah... yeah, what about the French then? Wanna insult a whole country next Mrs. Greer? LOL :)
Frankly... in my eyes this whole thing is not about feminism, but rather mere attention-whoring.
Isn't that what feminism is these days? (*unless applied to third world countries)
No, Jesus Christ.
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*Throws America into the third world countries category?
Happy now? :P
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Not to sound condescending but this is all really at the Youtube comments level of political debate. The only thing I have to contribute is hurr durr if women were in the military they would rape/perform violent crimes too.
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Not to sound condescending but this is all really at the Youtube comments level of political debate. The only thing I have to contribute is hurr durr if women were in the military they would rape/perform violent crimes too.
They are (and do, more or less)
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Yeah, why don't we remind ourselves about Abu Grahib and the smiley soldier lady on top of a bunch of prisoners?
But you see, that isn't a "real" woman. She was utterly corrupted by the patriarchal evil bastards, and is now a man with a vagina.
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Yeah, why don't we remind ourselves about Abu Grahib and the smiley soldier lady on top of a bunch of prisoners?
But you see, that isn't a "real" woman. She was utterly corrupted by the patriarchal evil bastards, and is now a man with a vagina.
Nobody actually says this
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Could you please attribute the quote in your sig to the Wikipedia article it was copy-pasted from (or did you eat the poeslaw there)
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Could you please attribute the quote in your sig to the Wikipedia article it was copy-pasted from (or did you eat the poeslaw there)
And here I was left thinking that you had outdone yourself in the trolling exercise.... I now learn it was merely a copypaste.
What a let down!
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Nobody actually says this
I believe in pre-emptive strikes
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Sorry bro, I can't troll like Judith Butler
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I actually read some things by these postmodernists and I was always left with the incredible sensation that either I was utterly stupid, or the world had gone nuts. Deleuze and Guatari were especially hilarious.
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Hey, did anyone know that you can explain 99% of fertility variance since 1965 using just a data set of female wage relative to male wage and employment rates? Fascinating.
http://f01.middlebury.edu/EC428A/conferences/Women/articles/macunivich-work-fertility.pdf
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Not to sound condescending but this is all really at the Youtube comments level of political debate.
Given that your first post in the topic was to say that "Men can't talk about feminism" and you went downhill from there, I don't think you're in much of a position to complain. Hell, I'm on the verge of deciding that the best way to preserve political debate on this forum is to remove you from it.
Consider yourself warned.
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I think it's a bit of an exaggeration to say banning one person will cure HLP. But I'll stop.