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Hosted Projects - FS2 Required => Blue Planet => Topic started by: Insomniac34 on June 26, 2011, 11:56:32 am
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...to fight for your very life in, which would you choose? Doesn't matter if it's a Great War era relic or a UEF advanced gunship, which would you choose? I really like the Nyx and the Uriel, but I think it'd probably have to be the Uriel, the thing is just ridiculous. It's only true downside is it's size. Give me Slammers, Darts and Warhammers for secondaries, and a Rapier and dual Gattlers.
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The Kentauroi, despite having a large target profile, the fighter is able to saberdance (which is really cool), the afterburners made everything more awesome, it turns like a joy and the gun mounts are (my opinion) well placed.
And it looks awesome.
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What are we fighting? I would probably pick a Kent. Or maybe a Pegasus or that newfangled stealth interceptor.
Or a Boa if I have to fight for my life against frightened civvies.
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Yeah, it really depends on what are you fighting and what are your weapon choices.
For the UEF I would go with the Kent, as for the GTVA I would choose the Myrmi or the Loki.
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Why on Earth (no pun intended) Myrm or Loki?
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Yeah, I wonder that as well.
Kentauri, because it's insanely fast and maneuverable. Also 4 guns in one bank.
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Myrmidon. I love that fighter.
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Why on Earth (no pun intended) Myrm or Loki?
small target profile, high turning rate.. and for other no gameplay related stuff like being really hi-poly (Loki) or having 3 missile slots (Myrmi).
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Why on Earth (no pun intended) Myrm or Loki?
small target profile, high turning rate.. and for other no gameplay related stuff like being really hi-poly (Loki) or having 3 missile slots (Myrmi).
The only thing the Myrm has going for it is that it's capable of carrying Helios (while we're at it, is the Myrm capable of carrying the Helios in BP too?).
OT: The Draco. If zods are allowed, Serapis.
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small target profile, high turning rate..
Are you, like, listing the things the Myrm doesn't have ?
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If it's just a matter of personal preference for the Myrm, then that's fair enough, but on the grounds of actual performance, that fighter's got next to nothing going for it. The Nyx or Atalanta beats it in every respect.
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It would be have to be the GTF Draco, because in addition to having a fighter you can fight for your life in, you also need a fighter you can run for your life in!
As far as fighters I just think are cool: Uriel, Uhlan, Nyx, Erinyes, HercMk2, Loki
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Have you ever handled a ship and felt it was just too fast or too slow for your reactions?, that's what I feel when I use any of the other ships on the game, some seem too weak in shielding, some others turn to fast.. another bunch is just to big, slow or lack in afterburner response.
Personally I've never been the kind of guy that looks into a table to see how much faster or resilient a ship is from another so I would just recommend you all to ignore my "reasons" for choosing the fighters, I just have some preferred ones, those I feel comfortable flying in.
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small target profile, high turning rate..
Are you, like, listing the things the Myrm doesn't have ?
Pretty much so, since that quote is his praise for the Loki. The Myrmidon he likes for "having 3 missile slots".
I think I would choose the Kent too, though a Valkyrie brought up to current UEF or GTVA technology would absolutely rock. Valks are my most favourite fighters, but in the BP era, they are just hopelessly outdated. The only thing you can reliably hunt with them are probably Scimitars and Shivan fighters. But as soon as a flak or AAA looks in your direction (not to mention the new GTVA and UEF fighters) your toast.
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Everyone seems to be mentioning the Kent and I hate to join the bandwagon but it really is a great fighter. Even on insane difficulty I feel quite at home taking it into a middle of a missile swarm and a wing of Nyxes.
Sure one hit can tear you in two, but as long as you keep a clear head it's easy to make sure that hit never comes.
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I think I would choose the Kent too, though a Valkyrie brought up to current UEF or GTVA technology would absolutely rock.
Well, isn't that basically a Kent ? :p
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Have you ever handled a ship and felt it was just too fast or too slow for your reactions?, that's what I feel when I use any of the other ships on the game, some seem too weak in shielding, some others turn to fast.. another bunch is just to big, slow or lack in afterburner response.
Personally I've never been the kind of guy that looks into a table to see how much faster or resilient a ship is from another so I would just recommend you all to ignore my "reasons" for choosing the fighters, I just have some preferred ones, those I feel comfortable flying in.
That's what I think about the Loki actually. It does not look like anything amazing in the tables, and the secondary loadout is smaller than any other fighter in the game, but it flies well for me, and I actually do pretty decent with it ...makes no logical sense.
I will say this for the Loki though, despite being a light/recon fighter it is compatible with nearly every primary weapon available, which makes it very versatile.
Also, the maneuverability thing depends largely on your control scheme. Some of the moded fighters out there are so maneuverable, you are better off using a mouse over a keyboard or joystick just so you can have better control over your movements and better aim.
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Fan of the Kentauroi hands down.
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Karuna#player. :p
If I can't get away with that, it's a tossup between the Nyx and the good old Ares. I'm a crappy pilot, so I like to fly something that's good at missile spam and head-on charges. The Nyx is better in most regards, but its secondary banks are slightly smaller and, much more importantly, it can't carry the maxim.
I'll go ahead and say Nyx because this is a Blue Planet thread. :D
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Definitely the Nyx. It's by far the most flexible fighter in the game as it stands. The Uriel is pretty hairy, but once its out of secondaries, and archers its large target profile makes it rather clumsy for capital runs or swarm situations. The Nyx packs the same kind of durability and only somewhat less firepower in something 1/3rd the size, and it has more primary energy to boot.
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GVF Horus with dual Kaysers is also something I'd consider. I LOVE that fighter.
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The GTDR Amazon
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Kent. I can't dogfight without Reverse AB/going at over 100m/s anymore.
Pity about no autoaim.
<- terrible, spoiled, n00b that has played too much speedmod for his own good
At any rate, the Kent's probably the one I'd survive the longest in. I think I managed to stay alive for several minutes against three wings of Nyx/Eri/Ares just looping. Not that I managed to kill anything.
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For similar reasons of just feeling comfortable in the fighters: Valk or Apollo tbh.
If forced to make a choice that actually makes sense, Perseus or Nyx
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If you can consider a bomber a fightercraft, it's the UEB Durga, armed with tri-Gattler banks equating to twelve Gattler gunpoints, two or so anti-ship missiles, six or so slammers and a hundred or so random forced heatseeking dogfight missile.
If not, the UEF Uriel for it's Archer and overall nice-looking. And when you can nail fighters with Archer-kun by chance or skill.
For the GTVA, it's definitely the GTB Boanerges or the GTF Myrmidon.
Because the GTF Ares has an insanely awesome EN recharge enough to fire dual Kaysers/Maxims for quite some time and do interception, good shielding, enough hull to take quite a few AAFs and still be able to play ramming games. The best of all, that 80/100 bank with 11 + 13 Trebuchets to maul people at long range. I would never fly any GTVA fighter that is not the Ares or Perseus or Pegasus or the Loki unless the mission forces me to.
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I'd pick the Izra'il if it can link the 3 gun banks, with rapiers, and because it can load Jackhammers.
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Oh yes... that fighters exists too... maybe I'll change to that rather than the Kent, once I got it properly tested.
I think I would choose the Kent too, though a Valkyrie brought up to current UEF or GTVA technology would absolutely rock.
Well, isn't that basically a Kent ? :p
I'm not so sure about that. I can't put my finger on it, but the Kent just doesn't feel like the Valkyrie did back in FS1.
Maybe the much bigger target profile, or that isn't more fragile than the Uhlan or the shape when you look at it... or just some kind of nostalgia...
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How long of a fight are we talking here? Delenda Est? or all of Transcend =)
All things considered I'd probably take the Kent or an Izra'il. If we are talking a mission where say...my jump drives go offline and I'm forced to fight an entire enemy force solo then definitely the Kent. Having a fast ship that can get out of a bad situation allowing you to wear down the enemy a few at a time would be indispensable. Anything else would just be swallowed up.
If it was versus capital ships as well then you'd be hard pressed to take something that carries real firepower. Versus a capital ship 4 rapiers will work but they'll take a long time and eventually you'll have to open your cockpit window to take a leak.
I wonder how differently Transcend would play if you had the option of other fighters and built in reloads between missions (I mean them being part of the story, not because they weren't scripted out.)
Has anyone ever made a single fighter missions versus large enemy forces?
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Has anyone ever made a single fighter missions versus large enemy forces?
Oh yes, the GTB Stheno against the Nordera from WoD :D
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I wuvs, ERINYES.
4eva <3
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I'm surprised at the Boanerges love in this thread.
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How long of a fight are we talking here? Delenda Est? or all of Transcend =)
All things considered I'd probably take the Kent or an Izra'il.
Then you'd be screwed pretty quick if it's Transcend-length. UEF fighters are not made to operate without logistical support for long periods.
Also, they don't have inter-system jump drives.
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How about the Custos
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How about the Custos
Uh, we are talking about fighters.
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How long of a fight are we talking here? Delenda Est? or all of Transcend =)
All things considered I'd probably take the Kent or an Izra'il.
Then you'd be screwed pretty quick if it's Transcend-length. UEF fighters are not made to operate without logistical support for long periods.
Also, they don't have inter-system jump drives.
And Hercules' aren't build to magically reload all their weapons and repair themselfs between missions, but in Transcend they do. Since the Deimos doesn't have a fighter bay that leads me to believe that it was either a gameplay compromise, or the Transcendent was behind it. Either explenation would allow a UEF ship to last that long too.
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SF Mara (Terrans). :D
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SF Mara (Terrans). :D
I wonder how that one would perform against UEF units. It certainly is an upper class fighter in FS2-era, but in BP-era, I'm not so sure ...
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It's still got the highest armor and shields of any fighter (albeit barely in the case of the Uriel), secondary banks larger than a lot of bombers, a decently small target profile, and speed and maneuverability that are utterly absurd for a ship as durable as it is. The only thing that gives me pause is that it only has 2x2 primaries and a grand total of two guns that it can put in them.
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Herc Mk 2 (And a lot of Tornados)
UEF Lao Tze ^^
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If we're fighting GTVA/UEF then Perseus/Atlanta, if Shivans then Ares/Erinyes.
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I found Perseuses and Atalanta to have too ****ty turn rates against UEF fighters. I tend to prefer the Kulas instead.
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Its sad that no Vasudan fighters are getting any love. I hope the next WiH release adds several sexy strike craft for them.
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Yeah. Their (seen) fighters suck a lot against their GTVA new generation counterparts.
At least the Sekhmet still utterly dominates as the best bomber (not including the UEF gunships)
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If the community decided to kick his own ass and make us some shiny Vasudan ships, maybe we would see more.
But noooooooo, everyone has to make moar and moar Terran ships.
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Well, We ARE superior :nervous:
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In number of fan-made ships ? Definitely. And that's the problem.
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*is slowly becoming a xenophobic supremacist* Atlanta.
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PVF Anubis, for the lulz.
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*is slowly becoming a xenophobic supremacist* Atlanta.
Please don't spell like Thaeris
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Atlatl.
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Atalanta against UEF, heavy firepower in a fast, manueverable and compact package.
Nyx against Shivan, fast and uber powerful, can eat Shivan bomber wings for breakfast.
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I've found that the Atalanta is prefect in a 1v1 fight with buntu fighters, but the Nyx seems to eat multiple wings a little easier.
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I've always seen the Atalanta as a sort of Ulysses Mk II. Good for dogfighting.
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I've always seen the Atalanta as a sort of Ulysses Mk II. Good for dogfighting.
It is indeed, and it kicks the **** out of most UEF designs. Uriels still tend to cap them
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Wait what.
You could hardly be wronger.
The Atalanta turns like the Persie. Feels even a bit slower. Completely outmatched by Uhlans in turning dogfights. If you want an Ulysses MkII, you'd better look in the direction of the Kulas.
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Wait what.
You could hardly be wronger.
The Atalanta turns like the Persie. Feels even a bit slower. Completely outmatched by Uhlans in turning dogfights. If you want an Ulysses MkII, you'd better look in the direction of the Kulas.
It has the same turning speed as a Perseus and it has a slightly lower rotdamp value. It also packs six guns, a much higher energy recharge, is considerably faster and more agile, has side thrust ability, and has more shields and armor than the Uhlan. The Perseus is a rough match for the Uhlan in everything but firepower, where the Uhlan definitely beats it out. The Atlanta is definitely a step up from the lawn, despite a slightly lower maneuverability.
The Kulas falls short in every category BUT maneuverability.
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You have never played as an Atalanta against Uhlans, have you ? I bet not. You need to play more multi.
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Not vs. humans, multi never happens when I'm off XD
Are the multi-versions the same?
Also, jousting always seemed to be what gets the most kills to me.
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The Kulas is pants
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I'm surprised the Draco get's so little love around here.
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Just looking at it, it does have a rather large target profile
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Ahh the Draco.... yeah, that one just looks like ****.
No offence to the modder, I just hate the model and the textures for some reason.
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You have never played as an Atalanta against Uhlans, have you ? I bet not. You need to play more multi.
It occurs to me that the rebalanced dogfight versions of WiH ships are the not the ships to go by.
I have played as an Atalanta against Buntu ships (woo playtesting your own campaigns), and it tends to beat the pants off of them. It's markedly faster than the Persie, has more firepower that's sustainable for longer, has roughly the same maneuverability, and also side thrust.
Testing done on Hard difficulty against BP-Major skill enemies.
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You have never played as an Atalanta against Uhlans, have you ? I bet not. You need to play more multi.
It occurs to me that the rebalanced dogfight versions of WiH ships are the not the ships to go by.
Uhh, no. Most Tev vs Fed dogfights actually happen in TvTs, which don't use #dogfight ship classes. So there.
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And most of the Atalanta/Kulas vs Uhlan I did was in coop anyway, Pre-Emptive.
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Well I take back that comment about the Kulas being pants. Just had a little dogfight match with Matth (and nu_zalem), and got utterly pwned in a Nyx. It's damn beast in a dogfight.
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Well I take back that comment about the Kulas being pants. Just had a little dogfight match with Matth (and nu_zalem), and got utterly pwned in a Nyx. It's damn beast in a dogfight.
You could just be a terrible pilot
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Well I take back that comment about the Kulas being pants. Just had a little dogfight match with Matth (and nu_zalem), and got utterly pwned in a Nyx. It's damn beast in a dogfight.
Nyx could use more love too. Every bit an Erinyes MkII but more manueverable, just as durable and 8 banks of Balors is downright overkill. There's a reason these get called in whenever something needs killed, or utterly smashed to tiny little bits.
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I never said the Kulas was an awesome ship, and I never said the Atalanta sucked. The Kulas has some serious weakness, mainly thinass hull and only one primary and secondary bank. However, it's definitely more up to the Ulysses MkII role than the Atalanta ever was. Atalanta is clearly more a Perseus MkII.
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Apollo Mk III
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Yeah, basically. Draco is also quite akin to a Valk II, although I have yet to fly it a bit more to get its feeling.
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Well I take back that comment about the Kulas being pants. Just had a little dogfight match with Matth (and nu_zalem), and got utterly pwned in a Nyx. It's damn beast in a dogfight.
Nyx could use more love too. Every bit an Erinyes MkII but more manueverable, just as durable and 8 banks of Balors is downright overkill. There's a reason these get called in whenever something needs killed, or utterly smashed to tiny little bits.
There are enough people in this thread who said they'd pick the Nyx, so I don't know why you think it get's too little love. And I agree, it definalty follows in the Erinyes' footsteps and improves on the predecessors concept very nicely, though I'm more a fan of the interceptors, hence why I loved the old Valk so much (and would love the Horus, if it wasn't for it's horrible firing points).
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The Nyx is actually kind of deficient in a dogfight. It has an okay turning rate, but the AB time is kind of short and takes a while to recharge. Against more maneuverable things like the Kulas and the Uhlan, it can't really turn fast enough to get any shots in.
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The Nyx is actually kind of deficient in a dogfight. It has an okay turning rate, but the AB time is kind of short and takes a while to recharge. Against more maneuverable things like the Kulas and the Uhlan, it can't really turn fast enough to get any shots in.
Well, it doesn't exactly have the same role either, since it is meant to take out gunships rather than generic space superiority.
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Well I take back that comment about the Kulas being pants. Just had a little dogfight match with Matth (and nu_zalem), and got utterly pwned in a Nyx. It's damn beast in a dogfight.
Nyx could use more love too. Every bit an Erinyes MkII but more manueverable, just as durable and 8 banks of Balors is downright overkill. There's a reason these get called in whenever something needs killed, or utterly smashed to tiny little bits.
There are enough people in this thread who said they'd pick the Nyx, so I don't know why you think it get's too little love. And I agree, it definalty follows in the Erinyes' footsteps and improves on the predecessors concept very nicely, though I'm more a fan of the interceptors, hence why I loved the old Valk so much (and would love the Horus, if it wasn't for it's horrible firing points).
Couldn't be arsed reading over anything than the first page. :P
Nyx is the murdering pyschopath of fighters, it's a hammer to the Kulas' scalpel.
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Wait, people think the Kulas is good? I must be missing something, as I recall it sucked in AoA.
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That's because shivan fighters suck. You never flied the Kulas against anything light enough to turn circles around nearly all Tev fighters.
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For the UEF, probably a Kent unless i'm fighting a Kent in which case I want a Uhlan. For the GTVA I have to pick the Uly (though the Atlanta comes in at a close 2nd).
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Wait, people think the Kulas is good? I must be missing something, as I recall it sucked in AoA.
Oh, come the hell on. You can't judge an entire class of fighter solely by how good or bad it is at disarming Shivan beam cannons.
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Forced Entry was a bit more involved than that.
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The Kulas is a Thoth. Nice in a dogfight.
made of soggy butter in anything else.
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Yeah but if you're in multi then a pure dogfighter is like super useful
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It does depend a lot on what's happening...
For the GTVA, I'd go with a Myrmadon (PromS in the quad and M'Star in the dual and lots and lots of Tempests!) for dogfighting or an Ares (PromS in the quad and Maxim in the dual and lots and lots of Trees!) for heavy assault.
For the UEF... well I can't remember which one is which, but the one with the archer cannon railgun thing has a special place in my heart (It's like having a long-range finger flick! SPANG! :lol: )
Wait, can I pick that ship from Wings with the beam cannons on it? ;) :lol:
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Actually I've changed my mind, I want a UEB Durga with the Redeemer. Nothing is taking that combination down. :)
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Forced Entry was a bit more involved than that.
How dare you question my god-given right to hyperbole. :p
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I've fallen in love with the Uhlan equipped with a Gattler...looks nasty^^
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UEF Izra'il would be my fighter of choice. You'll find out why in WiH2. :)
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UEF Izra'il - because it looks badass and it's multirole version of Uriel.
In combat situation with rapidly changing enviroment the versatile design is much more useful than specialized design.