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Title: Disco Freespace!!!!!
Post by: Kosh on July 02, 2011, 10:17:37 am
Party down to graphics corruption of some kind!


(http://i56.tinypic.com/20zz9yf.jpg)
Title: Re: Disco Freespace!!!!!
Post by: MatthTheGeek on July 02, 2011, 10:23:22 am
wow.

inb4log

If I were you, I'd start to seriously worry about the fact that your GPU might be in the process of failing.
Title: Re: Disco Freespace!!!!!
Post by: The E on July 02, 2011, 10:29:42 am
Looks like video memory corruption to me. Have you overclocked your GPU? Have you checked if its temperature is within limits?
Title: Re: Disco Freespace!!!!!
Post by: Darius on July 02, 2011, 10:39:30 am
Interesting..that's the third time I've seen that happen, all in the same scene (just after the Toutatis jumps in).
Title: Re: Disco Freespace!!!!!
Post by: Kosh on July 02, 2011, 10:41:17 am
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Looks like video memory corruption to me. Have you overclocked your GPU? Have you checked if its temperature is within limits?


It only happens with War in Heaven and almost always when there is a UED Solaris.
Title: Re: Disco Freespace!!!!!
Post by: The E on July 02, 2011, 10:44:43 am
It's almost certainly a hardware fault of some kind. I haven't seen it, ever.
Title: Re: Disco Freespace!!!!!
Post by: Kosh on July 02, 2011, 10:49:03 am
Then why is it only that scene? If it was hardware it would be more often.
Title: Re: Disco Freespace!!!!!
Post by: Klaustrophobia on July 02, 2011, 12:28:31 pm
i had that same kind of thing a while ago.  mine looked a little different though, just like the solaris texture was pulled off the ship and pasted in as a skybox.  same deal with always occuring with a solaris.  i can't recall what fixed it.  might have been increasing gpu fan speed to pull temps down.
Title: Re: Disco Freespace!!!!!
Post by: LordPomposity on July 02, 2011, 10:35:07 pm
This is an interesting problem. Anybody have theories as to why GPU overheating would occur only in WiH? Let alone almost always when a Solaris is present?

Because I'm drawing blanks.
Title: Re: Disco Freespace!!!!!
Post by: Kosh on July 02, 2011, 11:43:04 pm
Maybe the Solaris model is overloading it, my video card is not really high end. The only other time anything romotely like this ever happened was in Delenda Est after the Impereous jumps in, but even then the disco effect is limited strictly to the Karuna's blinking lights and a couple of other small effects. One thing WiH was notorious for was its unoptimised models, maybe that's the problem.
Title: Re: Disco Freespace!!!!!
Post by: G0atmaster on July 03, 2011, 01:39:10 am
I have actually seen similar, though not identical, corruption in Homeworld 2 when I had drivers released before the game was.  While that's not likely the issue here, it could be something other than a hardware fault. 

Could it be that that particular ship asks so much of your card's memory that it gets to a bad spot, whereas nothing else you've done thus far has taxed it in the same way?
Title: Re: Disco Freespace!!!!!
Post by: The E on July 03, 2011, 01:53:53 am
It may be. WiH uses a lot of texture memory if using the advanced vps.
Title: Re: Disco Freespace!!!!!
Post by: -Norbert- on July 03, 2011, 05:24:30 am
Maybe the Solaris model is overloading it, my video card is not really high end. The only other time anything romotely like this ever happened was in Delenda Est after the Impereous jumps in, but even then the disco effect is limited strictly to the Karuna's blinking lights and a couple of other small effects. One thing WiH was notorious for was its unoptimised models, maybe that's the problem.
Did you try to put a Solaris into some dummy mission, or look at it in the tech room?
Title: Re: Disco Freespace!!!!!
Post by: Kosh on July 03, 2011, 11:29:01 am
Maybe the Solaris model is overloading it, my video card is not really high end. The only other time anything romotely like this ever happened was in Delenda Est after the Impereous jumps in, but even then the disco effect is limited strictly to the Karuna's blinking lights and a couple of other small effects. One thing WiH was notorious for was its unoptimised models, maybe that's the problem.
Did you try to put a Solaris into some dummy mission, or look at it in the tech room?


I can look at it in the techroom without the disco effect, but it slows the game down to a slide show. In that point in the mission there's the Toutatis plus an HTL Hecate, two Karunas and a couple wings of UEF fighters.


I really hope the next release will have optimised models........
Title: Re: Disco Freespace!!!!!
Post by: Droid803 on July 03, 2011, 11:32:56 am
The Solaris is optimized.
Title: Re: Disco Freespace!!!!!
Post by: Kosh on July 03, 2011, 11:36:33 am
Seriously? That's the most frame rate killing craft in any mod I've ever played.........
Title: Re: Disco Freespace!!!!!
Post by: JCDNWarrior on July 03, 2011, 11:54:30 am
Perhaps there's a particular shader or map used on the Solaris that your GPU doesn't support/the GPU has been damaged on?

Probably a good idea to run some heavy GPU tests and check for any artifacts, or if you have any warranty left on it, see if you can return it for another.
Title: Re: Disco Freespace!!!!!
Post by: The E on July 03, 2011, 12:36:38 pm
Or you know, do the debugging steps of posting a log.

Or telling us what kind of hardware you have.
Title: Re: Disco Freespace!!!!!
Post by: LordPomposity on July 03, 2011, 02:35:24 pm
Seriously? That's the most frame rate killing craft in any mod I've ever played.........

I'm toying with a mod idea that I'd probably use the Vexor in.
Title: Re: Disco Freespace!!!!!
Post by: Kosh on July 03, 2011, 11:17:37 pm
Or you know, do the debugging steps of posting a log.

Or telling us what kind of hardware you have.

ATI Mobility Radeon 4500 series, 512 MB video memory
Celeron dual core 1.8 GHz
1 GB system RAM


Title: Re: Disco Freespace!!!!!
Post by: LHN91 on July 04, 2011, 01:01:33 pm
You're running on a laptop... and the only experience I have with that series of laptop gpu was in a dell with an i5. However, I've had some minor issues with the latest ATI drivers on a 6200 series laptop chip, might be a trouble point.
Title: Re: Disco Freespace!!!!!
Post by: Kosh on July 04, 2011, 03:25:07 pm
The drivers on it are factory standard, a couple of years old. I never got around to updating.
Title: Re: Disco Freespace!!!!!
Post by: LHN91 on July 04, 2011, 05:55:06 pm
Then you definitely should consider updating them. Factory drivers are notorious for being buggy at best.
Title: Re: Disco Freespace!!!!!
Post by: Kosh on July 04, 2011, 11:39:53 pm
Ok, so if the newest drivers are buggard which catalyst release do you suggest I update to?
Title: Re: Disco Freespace!!!!!
Post by: LHN91 on July 05, 2011, 12:07:00 am
Well the majority of the issues I have been having relate more to DXVA than anything, but the second or third most recent catalyst is running flawlessly on my 4870 on my desktop, which would be either 11.4 or 11.5. And I was more curious to see if you were using 11.6 (as I hadn't tested much openGL on it yet due to lack of time) than to imply that they were totally buggered, YMMV, you most likely will find they work fine as you have a much more mature driver support with a 4000 series than I do with the 6000 series in my cheap C-50 based laptop.

(Texting POSTING from a cell while distracted before = disjointed sounding messages)

Either way, I highly doubt you will make anything worse by updating to 11.6. 2 year old drivers for a then-new 4000 series are definitely going to have more issues than any newer release.

Give it a shot and let us know how it goes. ATI was always worse at openGL support. Especially in their older drivers.
Title: Re: Disco Freespace!!!!!
Post by: Commander Zane on July 05, 2011, 12:22:18 am
It's a 4500 so I don't know what 11.6 would do, but on 5800 Series 11.6 makes glass.dds on FSPort and goldglass.dds on MediaVPs opaque.
Title: Re: Disco Freespace!!!!!
Post by: Jeff Vader on July 05, 2011, 02:48:31 am
On 5700 series (at least in my case) no problemo.
Title: Re: Disco Freespace!!!!!
Post by: Kosh on July 10, 2011, 01:23:48 am
I haven't forgotten about this but my ISP recently has been cutting off large files before they are finished downloading (so I only get 4 or 5 MB of a 50 MB file and it says it is done), I'm still trying to get ahold of them.