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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The FRED Workshop => Topic started by: Droid803 on July 03, 2011, 04:26:10 pm
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can someone please write this.
****ing **** i just lost two hours of work to a misclick.
i quit fredding until someone adds this, seriously.
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i agree, would be useful. Could be moved to the SCP board. Official request 'n stuff.
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Droid: What happened exactly? Did you click "Cancel?"
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I hit "Paste" instead of "Add Paste" when adding something to the an event I was finishing up and eradicated a massive tree of nested conditionals. :banghead:
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Yes, that's annoying. I do that too.
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I know the feeling, its incredibly frustrating. Undo would help greatly in this case.
Even though Fred makes a backup save of the mission when the event window closes, it doesn't help much when you haven't yet closed the event window beecause you're caught up sexp'ing. (Also, the ability to enlarge the event window would be swell)
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God, I'd love to see that undo feature in FRED too!
Clicking paste instead of add paste and loosing lots of work pissed me off so many times.
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I know that kind of pain, what a *******ly annoying mistake.
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i quit fredding until someone adds this, seriously.
Then you've basically quit FREDding. Adding an undo would basically mean rewriting the entire event editor. And that isn't going to happen any time soon, if ever.
However it does seem like the big issue here is the ability to paste to the wrong place. I've done the paste/add paste thing myself and it is very annoying. That problem might be fixable.
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I need the (eternal) break...
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Yeah... I've found myself using the Event Editor's OK button as a sort of 'Save'.
I 'OK' out and go back in every couple minutes.
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Yep, that pretty much solves the problem. The reason why an undo won't work is because the game only keeps track of two states. What was in the event editor when you started it, and what's in there now. There's no what was in there before my last click and fixing that would probably require rewriting large portions of the editor.
I suppose it might be possible to write everything to an intermediate buffer after every few minutes or after you click on a new event or something and offer an undo to that but it still wouldn't be easy to do.
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FRED is a text editor at heart...
Honestly, even notepad manages an undo >.>
The Events editor is so primitive its laughable. honestly I would prefer it be a notepad-like editor with parsing than the current drop-down list nightmare. In fact, that would probably increase my FREDding speed by tenfold seeing as I memorized all the SEXPs I use anyway, and if I could just type them in I wouldn't also need to memorize which sublocation they're under.
With that you can also actually copy between missions etc.
Sounds like a pipe dream though :(
Dammit, I'll just FRED in Notepad. **** the visual aids, they're all absolutely useless anyway except for placing ships and backgrounds >.>
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Add me to the list of people who would appreciate some change of the pasting functionality, even if it's something as simple as making the two options not be right next to each other anymore. I'd also benefit from a confirmation popup on the "delete event" button (because I'm an idiot and sometimes click it instead of "delete message"), but that might just get in most people's way.
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Add me to the list of people who would appreciate some change of the pasting functionality, even if it's something as simple as making the two options not be right next to each other anymore.
Now that's not a bad idea. I've added a separator between paste and add paste. That should make it at least slightly harder to choose the wrong one.
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Ideal KISS method = win.
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Thank you, karajorma.
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i guess that will do for now
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I will take a look into ways to improve that later.
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FRED is a text editor at heart...
Honestly, even notepad manages an undo >.>
The Events editor is so primitive its laughable. honestly I would prefer it be a notepad-like editor with parsing than the current drop-down list nightmare. In fact, that would probably increase my FREDding speed by tenfold seeing as I memorized all the SEXPs I use anyway, and if I could just type them in I wouldn't also need to memorize which sublocation they're under.
With that you can also actually copy between missions etc.
Sounds like a pipe dream though :(
Dammit, I'll just FRED in Notepad. **** the visual aids, they're all absolutely useless anyway except for placing ships and backgrounds >.>
While we are talking impossible/ unfeasable things.
I'd like to see the event editor changed to something resembling the coding window in VB. You start typing the name of a SEXP, it gets autocompleted or select from the dropdownlist, hit tab aso.* :nervous:
*Yes, i am aware that this would open several cans of toxic worms and it's never gonna happen.
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How hard would it be to have FRED auto-save the current mission every 5 minutest to a file called fred autosave MM-DD-YYYY-HH-mm-ss?? I wish I knew how to code; I'd take a shot at it. :ick:
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But it wouldn't save whatever's open in the Events Editor is what people is saying.
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FRED is a text editor at heart...
Honestly, even notepad manages an undo >.>
The Events editor is so primitive its laughable. honestly I would prefer it be a notepad-like editor with parsing than the current drop-down list nightmare. In fact, that would probably increase my FREDding speed by tenfold seeing as I memorized all the SEXPs I use anyway, and if I could just type them in I wouldn't also need to memorize which sublocation they're under.
With that you can also actually copy between missions etc.
Sounds like a pipe dream though :(
Dammit, I'll just FRED in Notepad. **** the visual aids, they're all absolutely useless anyway except for placing ships and backgrounds >.>
While we are talking impossible/ unfeasable things.
I'd like to see the event editor changed to something resembling the coding window in VB. You start typing the name of a SEXP, it gets autocompleted or select from the dropdownlist, hit tab aso.* :nervous:
*Yes, i am aware that this would open several cans of toxic worms and it's never gonna happen.
would be awesome tho.
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How hard would it be to have FRED auto-save the current mission every 5 minutest to a file called fred autosave MM-DD-YYYY-HH-mm-ss?? I wish I knew how to code; I'd take a shot at it. :ick:
It already does something along those lines but it can't save when an editor is open.
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Since missions are just text files, somebody could theoretically make a stand-alone program specifically for editing events and stuff. If one could make such an events editor from scratch, it would have all the expandability and features you could throw in there, and you wouldn't need to mess with FRED code at all.
Sure, I doubt that you'd be able to have FRED and the editor working on the same file at the same time, but if all you're doing is some hardcore SEXPing, then that would be fine.
(Please note: I have neither the ability or patience to do this myself, I'm just throwing ideas here)
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Since missions are just text files, somebody could theoretically make a stand-alone program specifically for editing events and stuff. If one could make such an events editor from scratch, it would have all the expandability and features you could throw in there, and you wouldn't need to mess with FRED code at all.
Sure, I doubt that you'd be able to have FRED and the editor working on the same file at the same time, but if all you're doing is some hardcore SEXPing, then that would be fine.
(Please note: I have neither the ability or patience to do this myself, I'm just throwing ideas here)
:yes2: :yes:
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Fred for placement and backgrounds, and info/music.
EvEd for Events briefings and debriefs?