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Hosted Projects - FS2 Required => Blue Planet => Topic started by: Logistics on August 17, 2011, 08:18:14 am
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I've been giving some thought to the end game scenario for the UEF.
There seems to be 2 viable strategic options, as I understand things.
1. The UEF commits sufficient fleet assets to engage and destroy a major ship and/or battlegroup of the GTVA, something around 30% of their current forces in-system. The sudden reversal against an enemy who was apparently 'on the ropes' could shift public opinion in the colonies decisively against the war. Basically, a Tet offensive.
This is essentially a one-off strategy due to the fact that UEF forces would take significant, if not critical casualties attempting such an action - which might not succeed even if tried. If the GTVA did not immediately back off, it's likely they would not retain sufficient forces to realistically defend themselves. Historically, such attempts have had mixed results.
2. This leaves Byrne's project as the remaining option. Given the bent of the story, this would seem to be the likely option to resolve things, unless our intrepid designers like putting out red herrings. The specifics are probably not able to be guessed, but in general, I can think of a few things.
A) The project will not involve direct military force. It will not be an extra fleet or giant juggernaut. Not only has this been done in-universe before, but the GTVA does have sufficient reserves to engage any realistically viable idea.
B) It will be a strategic game changing option that dramatically changes the outlook on the war.
A few thoughts of my own...
-The project is a way to artifically induce temporary system jump nodes at a destination of your choice. Being able to outmaneuver the enemy would be a gigantic advantage the UEF could use as leverage.
-The project allows direct communication with Shivan and Vishnan intelligences, allowing actual negotiation to take place. But we've been down that particular road before.
-The project replicates the star-instability trick the shivans pulled on Capella. Given the general outlook of the UEF, I find this a slim option at best.
Ideas?
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Setting aside the typical mysticism often in BP, I would suggest the addition of beam weapons to UEF ships (as possible evidenced by a screenshot posted in the Celebration of Freespace thread showing a UEF capital ship that to me appears to be firing beam weapons rather than getting hit by them), or (slightly more unlikely) the addition of cap-ship shields to UEF ships. While the first would even up the balance in terms of firepower, the shields would make UEF ships much more survivable to all except beam weapons.
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-The project replicates the star-instability trick the shivans pulled on Capella. Given the general outlook of the UEF, I find this a slim option at best.
Erm... what?
How would blowing up the sun help in saving the UEF from being conquered?
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How useful is the destruction of a star?
Option A) sounds too much like Inferno. And we are talking about STEELE as the enemy. If the UEF builds a Juggernaut/some kind of awesome weapon, he would know.
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-The project replicates the star-instability trick the shivans pulled on Capella. Given the general outlook of the UEF, I find this a slim option at best.
Erm... what?
How would blowing up the sun help in saving the UEF from being conquered?
Wouldn't exactly be a wise move to make, but it would be the ultimate expression of 'scorched earth' tactics ever seen.
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That aside, the UEF is well aware of the GTVA's need to control SOL infrastructure. It would be the equivalent of holding oneself hostage, but that does not necessarily mean that it couldn't force the GTVA to the poltical negotiating table, rather then simply relying on force as they have been.
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The UEF doesn't really do scorched earth.
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I usually try to avoid guessing the storylins (like to look forward to it), but i will allow myself this one post as the team seems to not mind them.
Always had it in my head the Beis are trying to contact the Vishnans and begging them to send in the Cavalry (Preserver alone could probably wipe out Steele's entire battlegroup, let alone the Atreus), but for some reason the Vishnans arn't responding to them; maybe they want the humans to work this one out themselves.
Whatever it is, hope it works. I really want the UEF to win this. :(
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Failing the above, they're building a time machine to grab Chuck Norris. (sorry poor joke couldn't resist :lol:)
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I usually try to avoid guessing the storylins (like to look forward to it), but i will allow myself this one post as the team seems to not mind them.
Always had it in my head the Beis are trying to contact the Vishnans and begging them to send in the Cavalry (Preserver alone could probably wipe out Steele's entire battlegroup, let alone the Atreus), but for some reason the Vishnans arn't responding to them; maybe they want the humans to work this one out themselves.
And what if the humanity failed in their purpose? They should evolve to reach a level equal to the "brahmans of old." Instead they fight themselves and the vasudans will (maybe) actively intervene in the war.
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My first thought was it was an artifical node leading to a different universe that would somehow be sealed off from the Shivans, perhaps one where the Shivans simply never existed. The Vishnans were probably the ones who suggested this to the Elders and offered to share their dimension-traversing abilities. Perhaps they have now gone silent until the GTVA-UEF war settles itself, perhaps brokering a peace is the final 'test' the Vishnans require humanity to perform. Perhaps the GTVA have somehow cottoned on to this and are really trying to win back Sol in order that they be the ones who travel to the sealed-off universe and not the UEF. Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps.
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A few thoughts of my own...
-The project is a way to artifically induce temporary system jump nodes at a destination of your choice. Being able to outmaneuver the enemy would be a gigantic advantage the UEF could use as leverage.
-The project allows direct communication with Shivan and Vishnan intelligences, allowing actual negotiation to take place. But we've been down that particular road before.
-The project replicates the star-instability trick the shivans pulled on Capella. Given the general outlook of the UEF, I find this a slim option at best.
Ideas?
To clarify, regarding the above, those were just wild guess options on possible ideas for the project. I do not think all 3 would necessarily be true. Certainly not all 3 at the same time.
Some further (brain-storming) ideas.
Regarding the dimension hopping mentioned by Raiden, perhaps a way could be developed to combine dimension hopping with travel in real space. In AoA, the 14th Battlegroup was forced to return to their origin point before attempting to dimension hop in reverse to their home reality. If it was understood better, perhaps this could be accomplished at any system node.
If that works, it would allow UEF forces to potentially bypass any defenses the GTVA has on their end of the node, assuming they had enough forces to run the blockade on the Sol side. Logistically, they would not be able to field an extended campaign, but they could possibly hit the defenses blockading the node from an unexpected direction, or threaten GTVA infrastructure sufficiently to force a pullback. The GTVA would not be able to realistically predict just where and when they would show up.
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A few thoughts of my own...
-The project is a way to artifically induce temporary system jump nodes at a destination of your choice. Being able to outmaneuver the enemy would be a gigantic advantage the UEF could use as leverage.
-The project allows direct communication with Shivan and Vishnan intelligences, allowing actual negotiation to take place. But we've been down that particular road before.
-The project replicates the star-instability trick the shivans pulled on Capella. Given the general outlook of the UEF, I find this a slim option at best.
Ideas?
To clarify, regarding the above, those were just wild guess options on possible ideas for the project. I do not think all 3 would necessarily be true. Certainly not all 3 at the same time.
Some further (brain-storming) ideas.
Regarding the dimension hopping mentioned by Raiden, perhaps a way could be developed to combine dimension hopping with travel in real space. In AoA, the 14th Battlegroup was forced to return to their origin point before attempting to dimension hop in reverse to their home reality. If it was understood better, perhaps this could be accomplished at any system node.
If that works, it would allow UEF forces to potentially bypass any defenses the GTVA has on their end of the node, assuming they had enough forces to run the blockade on the Sol side. Logistically, they would not be able to field an extended campaign, but they could possibly hit the defenses blockading the node from an unexpected direction, or threaten GTVA infrastructure sufficiently to force a pullback. The GTVA would not be able to realistically predict just where and when they would show up.
I swear there's a lot of ships currently stationed in Delta-Serpentis. And the tevs in Sol would send some ships to prevent a blockade like that.
And if they appear somewhere, that wouldn't help a lot because there's still a lot of stuff in the GTVA-systems.
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The UEF can barely hold the line as it is. Sending ships away on the offensive within GTVA controlled space will leave them unable to defend themselfs. The moment Steele learns that the enemy forces are weakened he will pounce and the war is over for good, except for the UEF offensive force that might be able to stage a small scale guerillia war for a very short time before they run out of supplies. Even with two logistic ships the maintanance and supply intensive UEF ships won't be able to operate away from home for long.
Then there is the matter of public opinion. Right now I guess the GTVA citizens aren't too thrilled about the idea of a war with Sol. But if the UEF start to hit lightly defended targets right at the doorstep of those dissatisfied citizens, they might suddenly decide to support the GTVA fully in the war. Furthermore the infrastructure of the Terran and Vasudan parts of the GTVA is far to intertwined to hit only Terran targets and hacking off the Vasudans even further is the last thing the UEF wants to do right now.
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Setting aside the typical mysticism often in BP, I would suggest the addition of beam weapons to UEF ships (as possible evidenced by a screenshot posted in the Celebration of Freespace thread showing a UEF capital ship that to me appears to be firing beam weapons rather than getting hit by them), or (slightly more unlikely) the addition of cap-ship shields to UEF ships. While the first would even up the balance in terms of firepower, the shields would make UEF ships much more survivable to all except beam weapons.
That screenshot is mine, from Wings 2, not Blue Planet. It may use the Karuna model, but the Hyperion is definitely not a Karuna and not even in the FS universe.
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If you are fairly easily beating someone who is economically roughly equal to or superior to you, then they are building something big, and you have reason to be greatly concerned.
To my experience anyways.
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Setting aside the typical mysticism often in BP, I would suggest the addition of beam weapons to UEF ships (as possible evidenced by a screenshot posted in the Celebration of Freespace thread showing a UEF capital ship that to me appears to be firing beam weapons rather than getting hit by them), or (slightly more unlikely) the addition of cap-ship shields to UEF ships. While the first would even up the balance in terms of firepower, the shields would make UEF ships much more survivable to all except beam weapons.
That screenshot is mine, from Wings 2, not Blue Planet. It may use the Karuna model, but the Hyperion is definitely not a Karuna and not even in the FS universe.
Well, that clears that up. Thanks.
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The UEF doesn't really do scorched earth.
Perhaps not in the initial stages of the war, but I think they do now - The Blade Itself refers to scorched earth protocols, I believe the Katana (or was it the Altan Orde?) was instructed to destroy the local station (including the civilians on it) rather than let it fall into the hands of the GTVA.
I also recall a reference to the scorched earth protocols failing in regard to Artemis station, which allowed the GTVA to capture it intact.
Of course, to me it seems like a big jump between these examples and blowing up the sun...
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Come on people, this isn't rocket science. The project has to be something to do with the Vishnans, otherwise the entirety of AoA becomes a big, irrelevant distraction, which would be out of character for the storytelling they've been doing so far. Think meta here. The point of AoA was to get Sam Bei, as a conduit to the Vishnans, over to the UEF.
"If in the first act you have hung a pistol on the wall, then in the following one it should be fired. Otherwise don't put it there. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChekhovsGun)"
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If WiH2 was the end of the series yes, but don't forget there will most likely be a Blue Planet 3. So the Project must not neccesarily be about the Vishnans.
It might be a mass exodus to some uncharted terretory, were the UEF can rebuild their perfect little world far away from the warmongers (or at least that would be the Elders argument/hope).
Or something like in X-Beyond the Frontier, were they open a jumpgate to a far away place, lure the enemy fleet through and close the door behind them, so to say, by destroying the gate, leaving their own "lure fleet" along with the enemy attackforce locked out.
While that wouldn't get rid of the GTVA threat for good, such a massive loss might very well leave the GTVA unable to fight the war for several month and might be enough to convince them to particiate in negotiations.
As for the quote: Maybe the point of pulling out the gun is, to have someone convince the would-be shooter not to shoot and instead give the gun up. Or to make someone smack him over the head from behind to prevent him from shooting.
What I'm trying to say is, while the gun in the example should serve some purpose, it doesn't have to be the most obvious one.
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Byrne says "This war won't be won by force. it might not be won at all" OR SOMETHIng like that in the Visions mission. I think it's sakfe to say it's not the Icanus
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Technically, forcing the war to a standstill followed by a cease fire isn't winning, so it's not completely out of the question as far as rethorics go. Though I certainly agree with you on the "supership/superweapon scenario" being unlikely in the extreme.
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I think the BP guys are a lot smarter than the Inferno guys at storylines so it won be an Icanus or anything like that. The most likely theory IMO is the exodus one or maybe they close the jump gate somehow but that's not as cool and doesn't make as much sense as the other theory. I really think the absolute least likely theory is the supership/superweapon theory, because BP isn't Inferno, and if it is I'll go on the record as being disappointed if it is just a giant Solaris with beam cannons or something like that (which it really won't be I'm willing to bet money).
I also think it might have something to do with that ship from AoA (forget the name,the sleeper ship with the Captain Iwakura) that disappeared. THe Agincourt and the GTVA Logistics ships that defected at the beginning before WIH also have some important role to play. But anything that needs to be built would probably benefit from logistics ships being at hand, so that actually doesn't really tell us all that much.
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I really doubt the exodus is going to happen. Would the elders be able to move the 18+ billion men, women and children of the UEF to an alternate universe? How would you feed them when you get there? This isn't a war about which ships blow up which; the UEF is trying to protect its home and its people.
The project obviously involves the Bei's, because Sam mentions working on something big to his father. Then there's Laporte's abduction by the Fedayeen and that particular elder's (I forget her name) discussion during the mission with the Pegasus ambush, which shows the Council's interest in psychics. This is an extension of project Nagari (that's the name, right?). Basically ETAK 2.0
The stuff above is hinted heavily enough in the campaign that it HAS to be something involving contact with the big otherworldlies. I think the real question has to be: what does the UEF want them to do? What will they do?
The Vishnans are non-intervensionist, for the most part. They stay out of almost everything (FS 1+ 2) or they're really, really, really subtle. Their deal is to make sure the natural order of the Universe doesn't fall apart. The UEF's been listening for a year, but the Vishnans have said nothing. They don't have any qualms about talking to squishies when its important (AoA), so either they want to leave humanity to solve their own problem or the Shivans have them all tied up. The absolute most I can see the Vishnans doing during the course of WiH1 is just making sure the Shivans don't follow their nature and swoop down on all the chaos and bloodshed with beams of red death. So I don't think Byrne's calling the Vishnans.
I think he wants the Shivans.
First, in a totally meta sense, it doesn't seem to me like the BP team would resort to such Deus Ex Machina as to have the great lawful-good force of the universe come in and save the heroes at the last second. These guys love to work with moral ambiguities. That the good guys would get so desperate as to make a deal with the devil offers some complex story potential.
Second, Laporte's visions differ greatly from Sam's. The Vishnans contacted him (relatively) peacefully and tried not to totally shatter his mind. Ken showed up to Laporte in a red nebula, telling her that she must "destroy in order to preserve." We know that Shivans are at the absolute least familiar with nebula's (FS2) and I'd go as far to say that its among their "homes," as opposed to the weird spectral landscape of the Vishnans. Plus FS1 tells us that the whole preservation/destruction connection is probably a Shivan ideal.
Third, we don't know a lot about Byrne other than that he's cautious and careful with his own forces. The impression I got, (though this is up to interpretation) is he's a good man being pushed to his emotional extremes by the hand he's dealt. He knows he's running out of time. With things getting so close to the wire, would anyone be so surprised if he lost sight of his ethics, even for just a moment? The Vishnans aren't coming, and his super-project needs steam. Luckily, the preservers aren't the only kids on the block.
So we've got the Fedayeen picking up a psychic super-conduit to the Shivans for Byrne's secret project. I'm almost certain he means to contact the destroyers. But what then? My guess would be to launch a third incursion in GTVA space. If it were big enough, Steele would be forced to relinquish a large portion of his forces. Byrne might be hoping to force the GTVA to partner with the UEF against their common enemy, and in so doing forge an alliance similar to that which ended the T-V war. Although, I have a feeling this would go horribly, horribly wrong.
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Maybe the BP-team wants you to think that Ken is Shivan/Shivan-related. That would be too obvious if he is just a ****in Shivan.
What about something like a quantum-pulse control emitter or something like that? A control device that can "control" the Shivans (or even Vishnans, that would be a great blow) like Mengsk did in Starcraft to the Zerg (lol).
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I think he wants the Shivans.
Hell yeah! :D Hard to justify character wise, but I wouldn't care. Would make up for a lot of the UEF's general pussyness if they up and sicked the Shivans on Beta Aquilae as nothing more than a diversion to give themselves time to close the Sol Gate. Do eet!
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I really doubt the exodus is going to happen. Would the elders be able to move the 18+ billion men, women and children of the UEF to an alternate universe? How would you feed them when you get there? This isn't a war about which ships blow up which; the UEF is trying to protect its home and its people.
If they just wanted to preserve their homes and lives, they would have surrendered right away. They fight to protect their way of living, their philosophy... in a way they don't fight for their bodies, but for their souls.
Second, Laporte's visions differ greatly from Sam's. The Vishnans contacted him (relatively) peacefully and tried not to totally shatter his mind. Ken showed up to Laporte in a red nebula, telling her that she must "destroy in order to preserve." We know that Shivans are at the absolute least familiar with nebula's (FS2) and I'd go as far to say that its among their "homes," as opposed to the weird spectral landscape of the Vishnans. Plus FS1 tells us that the whole preservation/destruction connection is probably a Shivan ideal.
Laporte wasn't "pulled" into that nebula scenario by Ken. If I'm not misreading the facts here, it was Vicmouth who somehow caused this vision, or whatever it was, in order to evaluate her Nagari potential.
The only times we know of that Ken showed up by himself (or was subconciously called by Laporte maybe) was his manifestation as her invisible friend in her childhood.
Assuming Ken really is a tangible being in the first place and not just some manifestation of Laportes overstressed mind or somesuch.
I think he wants the Shivans.
First, in a totally meta sense, it doesn't seem to me like the BP team would resort to such Deus Ex Machina as to have the great lawful-good force of the universe come in and save the heroes at the last second. These guys love to work with moral ambiguities. That the good guys would get so desperate as to make a deal with the devil offers some complex story potential.
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Third, we don't know a lot about Byrne other than that he's cautious and careful with his own forces. The impression I got, (though this is up to interpretation) is he's a good man being pushed to his emotional extremes by the hand he's dealt. He knows he's running out of time. With things getting so close to the wire, would anyone be so surprised if he lost sight of his ethics, even for just a moment? The Vishnans aren't coming, and his super-project needs steam. Luckily, the preservers aren't the only kids on the block.
So we've got the Fedayeen picking up a psychic super-conduit to the Shivans for Byrne's secret project. I'm almost certain he means to contact the destroyers. But what then? My guess would be to launch a third incursion in GTVA space. If it were big enough, Steele would be forced to relinquish a large portion of his forces. Byrne might be hoping to force the GTVA to partner with the UEF against their common enemy, and in so doing forge an alliance similar to that which ended the T-V war. Although, I have a feeling this would go horribly, horribly wrong.
That would be a hell of a gamble, considering the Shivans could have wiped out the GTVA easily with those 80 Sathanas, if they really wanted to. And let's face it, even with the whole GTVA and the UEF united, they still couldn't beat 80 Sathanas, unless they are considerade enough to turn up one after the other without any support and no shockjumping, not to mention a Dante or several. And who knows what else the Shivans have that we don't know about.
Now an alliance with the Shivans might be a bit more sensible to some small degree. We still don't know what exactly happened on board the Iceni to make the Shivans slaughter the majority of the crew. It might very well have been started by a panicked trooper and the Shivans only retaliated untill the whole supposedly friendly visit escalated into a bloodbath.
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I thought that Samual Bei was a conduit to the Vishnans, and it makes a certain kind of sense that LaPorte would be a conduit to their opposite numbers. Still, we don't know exactly who "Ken" represents, except that he's somehow connected to the whole Nagari concept, and that Nagari is somehow connected to the Shivans and/or Vishnans.
Did the GTVA and/or the UEF have any notion that the Vishnans existed before the 14th returned from the alternate universe?
I can see the UEF leaders (Byrne) and the Elders of Ubuntu trying like crazy to contact the Vishnans. But I tend to agree with daedalus2309--the Vishnans are big fans of the Prime Directive and they didn't lift a finger to stop the Shivans from attacking the GTA/PVE during the Great War. (Did this represent a judgement of some kind on the two races?)
I think that the UEF's plan somehow involves attempting to contact the Vishnans, probably backed up by the Beis's information and contact with them, probably with the intent of getting them to intervene or at least help mediate some sort of peace talks. Getting LaPorte involved is essential (story-wise) because she apparently is the most psi-sensitive individual ever encountered by "The Project." Finding her is kind of a bonus though, because whatever The Project is, it didn't necessarily involve LaPorte before.
And I think it's highly likely that their plans will be sent awry. A call to the Vishans for some kind of assistance will probably be answered, but not by the Vishnans.
After this, my thinking gets kind of fuzzier, but I have images of UEF ships trying desperately to break out of Sol, Steele and Serkr Team engaging a major Shivan battlegroup, and LaPorte having some kind of showdown.
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Well duh, Laporte is the door.
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Well duh, Laporte is the door.
/facepalm :snipe:
Stop being so litteral. :D
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/facepalm :snipe:
Thats one effing hard facepalm.
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I usually try to avoid guessing the storylins (like to look forward to it), but i will allow myself this one post as the team seems to not mind them.
Always had it in my head the Beis are trying to contact the Vishnans and begging them to send in the Cavalry (Preserver alone could probably wipe out Steele's entire battlegroup, let alone the Atreus), but for some reason the Vishnans arn't responding to them; maybe they want the humans to work this one out themselves.
Whatever it is, hope it works. I really want the UEF to win this. :(
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Failing the above, they're building a time machine to grab Chuck Norris. (sorry poor joke couldn't resist :lol:)
even to vishans are powerfull remember they are already at their top firepower effectiveness, it has been shown already that GTVA forces can engage and defeat shivan forces that don't include over 1 sathanas, whereas a single sathanas ripped apart a sacred keeper of the vishnans, from what i have seen i m sure the GTVA could pose a good fight against Vishnan forces, specially given we already know they are fighting with all their technological power.
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i m alpha 1 -.- bring me any number of sathanas with a single fighter i will destroy all of them :D done it before, can do it again. ah right.. and give me a support ship to get moar warheads ...
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You are Alpha 1. You engage a Sathanas on your own in a BP mission. You get ripped to shreds. Because this ain't retail.
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You are Alpha 1. You engage a Sathanas on your own in a BP mission. You get ripped to shreds. Because this ain't retail.
I was having a bit of an issue with the difficulty scaling between the two games, and having the plot make much sense. Warships are deployed in strangely weak tactical doctrines, weapons fire is sluggish and ineffective most of the time, bombers are effective rather then flying deathtraps, ect compared to BP. Then it hit me. The difference can be chalked up to the unreliable narrator depecting sanitized, historical events. Perhaps a War College course on the career of the storied Alpha One that leaves out the true difficulty involved. The Retail game is much easier simply because you're expected to win.
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even to vishans are powerfull remember they are already at their top firepower effectiveness, it has been shown already that GTVA forces can engage and defeat shivan forces that don't include over 1 sathanas, whereas a single sathanas ripped apart a sacred keeper of the vishnans, from what i have seen i m sure the GTVA could pose a good fight against Vishnan forces, specially given we already know they are fighting with all their technological power.
The weapons the vishnans use seem to be at full power from scans the 14th made. But considering that the GTVA has only scans of them being used and never got their hands on any themsefls, that they could take apart and study in depth, that isn't exactly reliable data. They don't understand the technology the Vishnans use and thus their conclusions don't have to be true. And even if they were, who says the Vishnans don't have better weapons stored away in their arsenals that the GTVA simply never saw in action?
And I wouldn't put too much stock in the Sath destroying the Sacred Keeper. First off the Keeper seems to be more of a carrier than a frontline battleship.
When the Sacred Keeper was destroyed it was from behind and after it forced it's way through two Shivan blockades. It was already damaged and it's mainguns were down.
I also got the impression that the Keeper could have fled, but instead chose to warn the 14th battlegroup of the incoming threat, even though it would mean they'd have to sacrifice themselfs (or rather their current manifestation in that universe, according to the backstory).
If they have similar endless-seeming ressources as the Shivans, then the loss of a single Keeper means very little to them and having it heroically sacrifice itself to make the GTVA believe the Vishnans are a benevolent race, only interrested in helping them might well be worth the loss, in their eyes. The mention that "Vishnan Keepers and Sathanas Juggernauts are doing battle all over the system" in the briefing of Universal Truth would suggest that they have lots of those ships and thus the loss of a single one isn't much of a problem for them.
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Yeah, the GTVA has had a lot more time to study shivans than vishnans
(practically speaking, no idea what they're going to do with the story-line
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Couldn't the Orestes have recovered the fighter sam was inhabiting?
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Except he wasn't in the fighter, but in the wreckage of the sacred keeper....
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Except he wasn't in the fighter, but in the wreckage of the sacred keeper....
I think he means the fighter that Sam was 'inhabiting'. As in the one that went adrift after the destruction of the Keeper. The GTVA could have recovered those allthought I tend to think they might not incase it pissed the Vishnans off. And as far as they knew, the Vishnans were their only ally. I doubt they would want to rock the boat, but it is possible that they recovered the derelicts
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My guess would be that they put a higher priority on getting the hell away from the Sathanas to regroup than on capturing alien fighters.
I just had a thought how the project can be a ship, without being a Deus Ex Machina.
Maybe the project is really just about a little, but important device. But to make sure it's save, they also build a new destroyer to carry the device around.
No... I'm not really serious with this... mostly.