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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: Sushi on March 18, 2001, 08:36:00 pm
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Does this exist? Volitionwatch Archives had one link to a Star Wars mod that claimed the standard fighters and a Star Destroyer, but the page it links to won't let you download it. Is there anything else? I don't particularly care for Star Wars fighters(Except maybe the A-wing (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)) but I like some of the Capships- and they're big too!
The standard Frigate is probably only slightly shorter than a Typhon, and the star destroyers are much bigger than that. If I can find a super-stardestroyer anywhere... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Anyways, if you have any links to star wars stuff for FS, please tell.
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Sushi- the OTHER white meat!
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Originally posted by Sushi:
If I can find a super-stardestroyer anywhere... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
I know fer sure some o' the models you're talking about are also included in the Terran-Vasudan Alliance mod for FS1
and a Star Destroyer variant can be found here (different skin)
http://www.wild666.freeserve.co.uk/Skins5.htm ("http://www.wild666.freeserve.co.uk/Skins5.htm")
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JarC
"I am scared Dave..."
"Daisy, Daisy..."
[This message has been edited by JarC (edited 03-18-2001).]
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T-V alliance looks good- long dload for my 56k though(17 mb!) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Sushi- the OTHER white meat!
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You're wrong about the size of Star Wars capships. An Imperator class Star Destroyer is only 1.6 km long, making it smaller than any FreeSpace destroyer. The Executor with it's 17.6 km is about three times as long as the Colossus.
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I hate 'Imperator' class.......Unless you're totally willing to discout the WE books, they're Imperial class. Much better sounding, IMO.
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The first ISD was christened "Imperator", and usually ship classes are named after the first ship of the class, so it's Imperator- class.
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Where did you find that?
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I get to hear that at X-Wing Legacy every time someone calls it Imperial class. One of the members there has read every single available Star Wars source, including those made for use by ILM for the special effects of the trilogy, and he begins a very, very long post explaining all the rubbish West End Games and LucasArts did to the stats of the Star Wars ships, whenever you argue using these stats.
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I always thought the SSD was about 8-11 km long...
Anyway, SW ships are actually pretty small. No way is a standard frigate anywhere near the size of a Typhon.
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That's another screwed up value. Regarding "The Empire strikes back" the SSD has to be about eleven times as long as an ISD, which would make it 17.6 km, not 8 km.
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Originally posted by Sushi:
if you have any links to star wars stuff for FS, please tell.
Did you get whut you're after? if not, holar and I'll send you whut I got...
Destroyer
TIE Fighter
X-Wing
all FS1 versions
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JarC
"I am scared Dave..."
"Daisy, Daisy..."
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Huh.
I remember that in X-wing, the star destroyers seemed pretty big. The model I got from T-V alliance(which, by the way, was a complete waste of download apart from the Star Wars models and the Hades) seemed way too small.
I even pulled out my VCR and fastforwarded to the Endor battle in ROTJ to look at the relative ship sizes. Either Star Wars fighters are a much smaller than FS fighters, or the capships are bigger.
I think SD should be about twice as big as the current model in FS is, to feel "right" flying by it. IMHO.
Where do these numbers on ship lengths come from anyways?
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Sushi- the OTHER white meat!
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Originally posted by Sushi:
Huh.
I remember that in X-wing, the star destroyers seemed pretty big. The model I got from T-V alliance seemed way too small.
Well, I'm certainly not that familiar with editing a POF yet, but if I read the format correctly, it should not be to difficult to upsize it in scale?
As longs as the number of vertices and polycount stays the same...it should'n make much difference in performance...?
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JarC
"I am scared Dave..."
"Daisy, Daisy..."
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Okay, an Orion is 2.6 km long, and an ISD is 1.6, so if you put a Deimos side by side to an Orion, its close to a third of the length of the Orion, meaning the Deimos is just shy of a km in length (btw, the Nebulon-B frigates are approx. 900 meters long, Corvettes are 350 meters) And obviously, the SW kilometers are vastly different from FS kilometers (considering the twisted universe that SW resides in, logical mathematics do not exist. Observe:
ISD is 1.6 km long.
the ISD is only 1/11th the length of the SSD, while the SSD is 8 times the length of the ISD.
Therefore, SSD is 17.6 km long and 8 km long.
Where do I see something that makes the equation go BOOM?
btw, how do you change the color of the text? Forgive me, I haven't used my html in the months since I made a quick reference to it for another forum...
[This message has been edited by Bushwacker (edited 03-19-2001).]
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All right, I accept that according to the official SW scale, the SD is fairly short. However, in the movies especially and to a lesser extent in the game, the ships really are bigger. I don't think that George Lucas was worrying too much about maintaining a consistency in scale- the SDs were just supposed to be big fortress monsters. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif) In FS now, they're just a big corvette. I want a Star Destroyer. Even if it doesn't fit with "official" star wars stats, it needs to be big. 3500m would do nicely. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Sushi- the OTHER white meat!
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Hey Bushwacker, isn't a Deimos about 600m? I always thought it was about the length of 2 and a half cruisers. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Bushwacker:
Observe:
ISD is 1.6 km long.
the ISD is only 1/11th the length of the SSD, while the SSD is 8 times the length of the ISD.
Therefore, SSD is 17.6 km long and 8 km long.
Now that's interesting point. I wonder Where you got this comparison. I only heard an SSD is EITHER 8km OR 17.6km, but not BOTH at the same time.
The 8 km is a value stated in some "official" sources, and used in some novels, but the 17.6 km value has been determined using the relative ship sizes in The Empire Strikes Back and Return Of The Jedi, and is commonly accepted as to be correct.
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That's like the WhiteStar. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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I think the official length of the Super Star Destroyer is 8 kilometres.
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Originally posted by Bushwacker:
the ISD is only 1/11th the length of the SSD, while the SSD is 8 times the length of the ISD.
Therefore, SSD is 17.6 km long and 8 km long.
Gotta love the force. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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ISD
SSD
Eclispe
blah
Soverign Class (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
BIG!
Sov to a SSD would be about the same comparison as SSD to ISD.
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Warlock
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Never seen a Soveriegn in action before or in comparison to another ship so I don't have the perspective of its size.
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Long Live The Fighters!!!
Do or do not. There is no try - Master Yoda
Yub yub Commander! - Major Wes Janson
GTD Excellence ("http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/excellence") Webmaster
NeoHunter< [b][email protected][/b] >
Upcoming campaign: Fury Storm
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Originally posted by Warlock:
ISD
SSD
Eclispe
Soverign Class (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Setekh: ?
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Originally posted by Warlock:
blah
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The Eclipse rox j00 all!
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Originally posted by Setekh:
Setekh: ?
Setekh: Flying space coffin with AWACS capabilities.
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I've got a model of one somewhere on here I'll post a pic when I find the thing (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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Warlock
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To Fly Exotic Ships, Meet Exotic People, and Kill Them.
We may rise and fall, but in the end
We meet our fate together
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Oh yeah... the Sov MIGHT be able to beat the Eclipse...
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LOL
Being the Sov's bigger,..way better armed,..still has the Axial Cannon (mini death star gun) and had hella more ships inside,...yea I think one could take an Eclipse (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Warlock
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We may rise and fall, but in the end
We meet our fate together
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Whhhoops my bad,..got those two confused in size,..Eclipse is bigger (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif) LOL
Here's the comparison shot of all Stardestory class ships
(http://deathangelsquadron.net/empire's.jpg)
[This message has been edited by Warlock (edited 03-22-2001).]
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H4W! The Sov CAN'T destroy the Eclipse afterall (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Unless it gets the first shot...
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heh
Just remember...a force storm took out the first Eclipse (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Bzzzzzzzzt BOOM
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Warlock
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We may rise and fall, but in the end
We meet our fate together
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So many Star Destroyers (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Here is one I made for X-Wing: Alliance
http://www.geocities.com/starwing_corp/titan.jpg ("http://www.geocities.com/starwing_corp/titan.jpg")
[This message has been edited by Starwing (edited 03-22-2001).]
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Originally posted by Warlock:
heh
Just remember...a force storm took out the first Eclipse (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
A force storm by the reincarnated Palpatine no less (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
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Hmmm...I never considered anything after ROTJ as valid Star Wars material.
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Sushi- the OTHER white meat!
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The novels are commonly accepted as valid. Most of the stuff can even be found in the database at the official webside.
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heh,..you don't think Lucas has his hands in all the novels and such?
New Jedi Order series basically had to beg. plead, and make small driod sacrifices to pull some of what they're doing for what...30 years after Jedi?
Great stuff thou (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
I'd say more but really don't wanna ruin it for anyone...lemme just say...read Vector Prime...you WILL shed a tear at the end if you're a die hard star wars fan.
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Warlock
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To Fly Exotic Ships, Meet Exotic People, and Kill Them.
We may rise and fall, but in the end
We meet our fate together
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Originally posted by Styxx:
Setekh: Flying space coffin with AWACS capabilities.
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
Styxx: Sticks
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
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12 KM SSD? What kind of compromise canaidate is that? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif) Okay, okay, I'm kind of sick of these SSD size debates, given those we had on the XWAU... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Crap! I don't get my ancient status. Oh well.