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Hosted Projects - Standalone => The Babylon Project => Public Development => Topic started by: emi_100 on November 15, 2011, 10:50:03 pm
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I asked for permision to use the amazing models of the game B5: War Without End (http://b5wwe.sourceforge.net/) (Homeworld 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeworld_2) Mod) and they said "ok".
Of course, we have to put proper credits for the models. That's not a problem.
The models, after the convertion to *.pof file, are fully compatible with Freespace 2's engine, so that are realy good news.
I want to make them compatible with TBP, so they can replace the old (and good looking) models, if anyone has a problem
List of models
EA: Omega, Nova, Olympus, Starfury, Thunderbolt, B5 station, GOD sat, Hyperion, MaintBot, Omega X, OrionStation, Warlock.
Mimbari: All of them
Shadows: battlecrab, spitfire, scout
Vorlon: Fighther.
I'll need some help with LODS and DEBRIS
If anyone who wants this new HTL ships, want to give me a hand, please tell me.
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In the case of the Shadows and Vorlon, new models are not necesary I think. The old models look good with the new normals map texture.
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Well, let's check them out. Maybe thy will be an improvement.
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Don't think of me being too negative on this one ... I like the idea of a rapid graphical upgrade for TBP... but:
I want to make them compatible with TBP, so they can replace the old (and good looking) models, if anyone has a problem
Just the good old problem with updating models already in use:
they have to 1-to-1 compatible in terms of guns/missile points, docking paths, subsystem placement, (minimum) turret count, turret numbering, turret paths, minimum number of submodels, submodel properties (rotations etc.) model center, moment of interia, bounding box and ... some more
If they are not it will change the behavior in the ships in existing missions... most likely to a game-breaking extend
The easiest solution would be to make special table entires for them (simply adding #HTL to the ships name) ... that would keep old missions from using the new models and so preserve their current integrety
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Ok 0rph3u5.
I will convert it considering all of this "1-to-1 compatible" issue, as you said.
And if, for some reason, can't do that, we'll use the easiest solution.
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First of all I fully agree with what 0rph3u5 said about breaking backward compatibility by doing this. Anything from the fire points to the subsystems being slightly off could kill game balance. I do not agree with eh #htl approach as that will eat into the ship limit.
The best thing that can be done here is to make new models that are for TBP and exactly match the dimensions and layout of our existing models. Not only does this guarantee backward compatibility it also prevents anyone coming along and saying hey you stole my model. Yes we may have been given permission by the project but all it takes is one disgruntled artist to frak everything up and this project should no that better then any.
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Another quick question:
are the models UV mapped? with one map per model?
I do not agree with eh #htl approach as that will eat into the ship limit.
You are right ... if you just add more ships the limit of the eninge to thrase in additional ships will be reached
I more or less thought of a #htl .tbm each so it could easily activated or deactivated later by a campaign dev ...
So you make one pack with all the models and textures in a single .vp and an additional folder (think: "data/tables/inactive") with the table files in it so they can easily be copied to another mod to include the ships when FREDing ...
Only the thing you would need now is a small failsafe in the mission events for people who don't have the model pack - I made one for the last Drums Of War-release (although that doesn't stop a bug message from appearing) ... Let me look it up
EDIT: Here it is, text-editor view:
$Formula: ( when
( is-ship-class
"EA Aurora"
"Lucky Bird"
)
( change-ship-class
"EA Freighter 1"
"Lucky Bird"
)
)
+Name: lucky bird no mod
+Repeat Count: 1
+Interval: 1
+Team: 0
As said there will be message appearing during the mission load but this safes the mission from being buggy
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Yes we may have been given permission by the project but all it takes is one disgruntled artist to frak everything up and this project should no that better then any.
I talk directly with the artists and the exact words were "I'd be happy for you to use anything from our mod that would be helpful".
"Perhaps we could acquire a few things from you in the future, If that would be ok with the rest of your team of course"
It's your call there. If you want to use theirs models you have to borrow some of the TBP models. I will wait for yours decision.
Another quick question:
are the models UV mapped? with one map per model?
Some yes, with one map per model, some other not.
For example the Thunderbolt, it has only one map
(http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/5845/screen0091.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/444/screen0091.jpg/)
(http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/5532/screen0090.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/717/screen0090.jpg/)
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"Perhaps we could acquire a few things from you in the future, If that would be ok with the rest of your team of course"
It's your call there. If you want to use theirs models you have to borrow some of the TBP models. I will wait for yours decision.
Oh ... I fear that's not as do-able as they might think ...
There has been an unfortunate exchange some time ago ... standing consensus is that TBP assests mustn't be given away (contradict me now if I'm wrong)
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And there in lies the big issue. We don't have permission to give out any assets so unless we can dig up the original artist and get their permission (and we have none of that is documented anywhere) we can't let them or anyone else use any of the 3.4b assets except for TBP.
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I'm the Project lead for the HW2:WWE project. One of the conditions of modelling for our mod was the requirement that the models be freely available for use. You are free to use them provided credits are given. Our mod credits are available from our SVN repository, copied here for reference:
Zeelich
Alex "CnlPepper" Meakins
maxdamage
TheOneNamedViper
Andy Crook
Meurig
snake
PGC
Regards,
CnlPepper
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Thanks a lot for all CnlPepper.