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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: jr2 on December 16, 2011, 12:45:03 pm

Title: YMC-130H: secret C-130 STOL mod from 1980
Post by: jr2 on December 16, 2011, 12:45:03 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKCl3lfAx1Q

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Credible_Sport

Interesting

(http://warandgame.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/ymc-1303.jpg)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mOsOnOgK66M/Tq5djvxefZI/AAAAAAAAHIU/_3XlSaNZtfI/s1600/YMC-130H.jpg)

(http://www.airfields-freeman.com/FL/Wagner_FL_80Oct29_YMC-130H_1.jpg)
Title: Re: YMC-130H: secret C-130 STOL mod from 1980
Post by: StarSlayer on December 16, 2011, 01:49:23 pm
Yeah, looks like they wanted to be able to use it for the Iranian Hostage Situation. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKCl3lfAx1Q)
Title: Re: YMC-130H: secret C-130 STOL mod from 1980
Post by: jr2 on December 16, 2011, 01:53:05 pm
Yeah, the first vid link I posted says that too.  ;)
Title: Re: YMC-130H: secret C-130 STOL mod from 1980
Post by: StarSlayer on December 16, 2011, 02:01:05 pm
Woops missed that, I blame my mad cow.
Title: Re: YMC-130H: secret C-130 STOL mod from 1980
Post by: Nuke on December 16, 2011, 02:11:00 pm
they're only jato units.
Title: Re: YMC-130H: secret C-130 STOL mod from 1980
Post by: Mongoose on December 16, 2011, 03:28:42 pm
Yeah, but it looks like they wanted both jet-assisted takeoff and jet-assisted landing, which is pretty crazy.
Title: Re: YMC-130H: secret C-130 STOL mod from 1980
Post by: StarSlayer on December 16, 2011, 03:37:49 pm
Plus think of the riot control possibilities.  Have that thing swoop in low over a crowd kick on the rockets and boom protesters dispersed.
Title: Re: YMC-130H: secret C-130 STOL mod from 1980
Post by: Mongoose on December 16, 2011, 03:45:35 pm
Dispersed and/or disintegrated.

I always did love seeing the Blue Angels perform, since they'd usually have their C-130 support plane pull a JATO before the show.  The thing just goes up.
Title: Re: YMC-130H: secret C-130 STOL mod from 1980
Post by: Bobboau on December 16, 2011, 04:58:04 pm
Yeah, the first vid link I posted says that too.  ;)

15 times...
Title: Re: YMC-130H: secret C-130 STOL mod from 1980
Post by: Dilmah G on December 16, 2011, 09:17:39 pm
This would have some really interesting possibilities. I guess though that the C-27 Spartan would probably be able to get the job done in the situations JATO was required to be employed here, albeit requiring more aircraft.
Title: Re: YMC-130H: secret C-130 STOL mod from 1980
Post by: jr2 on December 17, 2011, 10:10:51 am
Plus think of the riot control possibilities.  Have that thing swoop in low over a crowd kick on the rockets and boom protesters dispersed.

That's how the first one crashed, lol.. you can't use the rockets as brakes unless you shut them off before you drop under stall speed... otherwise your drop like a rock.
Title: Re: YMC-130H: secret C-130 STOL mod from 1980
Post by: Nuke on December 17, 2011, 12:40:19 pm
i bet they are solid boosters and cannot be shut off.
Title: Re: YMC-130H: secret C-130 STOL mod from 1980
Post by: Polpolion on December 17, 2011, 04:07:59 pm
RATO units usually are. Not much of a point to turn them on and off if you're only taking off once per trip.
Title: Re: YMC-130H: secret C-130 STOL mod from 1980
Post by: jr2 on December 17, 2011, 04:13:07 pm
Rather short sighted considering the possible damage if an abort becomes necessary.
Title: Re: YMC-130H: secret C-130 STOL mod from 1980
Post by: Nuke on December 17, 2011, 05:10:07 pm
take-off is really a non-issue. military has used rocket assisted takeoffs for a long time. but the deceleration/descent motors you would have been specially designed and built to fire a perfect amount of thrust for the right amount of time and would have had to put the aircraft in a certain flight regime (altitude, airspeed, etc) to initiate rocket assisted landing. since they intended this with a very specific mission in mind, its not surprising at all. its a matter of "what can i do with what i have" instead of "what do i need to build to do what i want". both are valid approaches to design something like this, and the former is what you default on when there is a time constraint.